Nader Is In

Ralph Nader has announced yet another bid for the presidency as an independent.

My prediction is he has an even more miserable performance than he did in 2004, having no effect whatsioever on the eventual outcome.

At least this is one thing everybody on MyDD can agree on. Nader has destroyed his own reputation over the poast eight years and nothing he does can do anything to retrieve the respect he once had.

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Re: Nader Is In

I don't think there would be an Nader effect regardless of who the nominee is.

by Walt Starr 2008-02-24 04:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Agree

My take on this whole primary season is that the Democrats are choosing the next president.

I will go so far as to say either of our two current candidates would defeat McCain. My preference for Obama is predicated upon the opinion that an Obama candidacy would be more helpful to down ticket races than a Clinton candidacy.

I've read all the policy positions and everything is so close that there is virtually zero difference between the two when you take into account the fact that policy positions in a presidential race bear little resemblance to actual legislation passed and signed into law after the elections are over and the candidates take office. The bickering over policy now is nothing more than political posturing in an attempt to pick up more votes.

by Walt Starr 2008-02-24 04:55AM | 0 recs
by Shazone 2008-02-24 05:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Agree
I may not like Obama, but Nader will NOT get my vote. Not after the mess he contributed to in 2000.

I guess some bitterness never dies.

by sricki 2008-02-24 06:38AM | 0 recs
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Nader would siphon off votes from the far left fringe which would only hurt Obama in the general. There'd be no effect on Hillary if she were the nominee.

by Nobama 2008-02-24 04:30AM | 0 recs
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You're kidding me, right?  There is no discernable difference between Clinton and Obama.

by Vox Populi 2008-02-24 04:33AM | 0 recs
Love your screen name!!!

Do we have permission to make it into a bumper sticker?


by Shazone 2008-02-24 04:46AM | 0 recs
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I disagree, most of the people who would vote for Nader are the ones for whom even Edwards was too conservative. The turnout from these types is going to be miniscule. The only reason Nader had an impact in 2000 was because he drew enough independent voters to him. This year with Obama (likely) and McCain fighting over the independent vote, Nader wont get any oxygen. Nader cant improve on his 2004 performance and will likely do even worse this time around.

In that sense its good he is running, because it frees the dem nominee from having to worry about where the ultraleft fringe goes. They cab drift to nader for their protest vote and the nominee is freed to argue towards the center in the general.

by azizhp 2008-02-24 04:56AM | 0 recs
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You are very consistent at least in maligning in
by BlueSea 2008-02-24 04:37AM | 0 recs
Can I smell sweat....

er, I mean BO, in Camp Obama?

by Shazone 2008-02-24 04:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Can I smell sweat....

Not from me.

Nader or no Nader, Clinton or Obama either one will defeat Mccain on November 4th.

And to be quite frank with you, if somehow Clinton was able to pull off the nomination after losing eleven landslides in a row, I wouldn't give a feck how she did it, she would deserve it and I would support her.

by Walt Starr 2008-02-24 04:59AM | 0 recs
Considering how you and others....

have vilified Senator Clinton that's extremely surprising to hear from your keyboard.

by Shazone 2008-02-24 05:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Considering how you and others....

My biggest problem with Senator Clinton has been regarding the 50%+1 approach to the GE and the effect that will have on down ticket races. It's a losing strategy for nearly any candidate save one, Bill Clinton. Gore tried it in 200 and KErry tried it in 2004.

Hillary Clinton's primary strategy would have been a hands down winner if there was no candidacy from Barack Obama. She would have swept January and wrapped it up on Fabruary 5 with little problems other than from Edwards in Iowa.

by Walt Starr 2008-02-24 05:45AM | 0 recs
Thanks for clarifying your central...

issue with Clinton.

I agree to some degree, but I think that it's entirely possible that no Dem candidate will have coattails in this election - at least not to the degree that everyone is attributing to Obama.

The Dem Congress is not well liked.  Hell, I don't like them.  They were given a mandate (yes, I will use that term) and they squandered it.  Including Obama and Clinton for continuing to fund the war on W's terms.

I don't know the latest poll numbers, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that voters will give a Dem the POTUS position and not give him/her a Dem congress (or, as many as Congress claims it needs to get anything done).

So then I look at experience, and IMHO, I don't see it with Obama.  He has not fought enough wars to understand that Kumbaya with Repugs only gets you Repug policies.  (Bush has been a master of that...taking an absolutely lunatic position on an issue and then talking about bi-partisan agreement when Congress rolls over and gives him the real Repug position he was trying to get all along.)

Disgusting.  And they should all be voted out!

by Shazone 2008-02-24 06:25AM | 0 recs
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If anybody is interested, here is a link to Ralph Nader's web site.Click Here. Also you might want to click the Holding Obama Accountable link for a different take on Sen. Obama.

by Safe at Home 2008-02-24 05:43AM | 0 recs
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It would hurt HRC should she acheive themiricle 30 point blowuts for the rest of the contests, as she like Gore of 2000 will have a very thin politcal victory.

McCain could be enables if HRC somehow makes it...but I think Obama makes Nader irrelevant.

by a gunslinger 2008-02-24 07:24AM | 0 recs
let nader debate

whoever the dem candidate is, if they exclude nader from the debate then he is right...there is no difference in how the two parties take care of business. his presence in the race will also pressure both mccain and obama to look seriously at how they might change the way special interest groups control legislation.

its time for the democratic party to embrace a little idealism and stop playing center field exclusively

by citizendave 2008-02-24 08:24AM | 0 recs


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