by Vox Populi, Mon Sep 17, 2007 at 07:08:04 PM EDT
For those of you who dedicated to preventing Hillary from becoming the nominee and who are willing to work together, please do the following:
1) Send an email to nothrc at gmail dot com. Leave your user name and I'll respond.
2) Post a comment in this diary confirming that you sent me an email.
We can salvage MyDD together.
Tags: Edwards, obama (all tags)
im in- but only cause you posed it in a call to arms battle type way.
Is anyone else hearing epic prog rock in the background?
email confirmed.
I wasn't aware this was an Edwards and Obama only site? What's the big deal that there are Clinton supporters here?
Nope. That's why I ask to send an email AND post a comment, because unless they have hacked our accounts, they're not posting on MyDD under the familiar names.
I am totally posting here with a familiar name. I am one of the most loyal Edwards supporters on this site. I have not responded to you yet, but I will.
Let them waste their time while their candidates keep sinking. What are they going to do in February? Pretend Hillary hasn't won? Keep trying to convince people to vote on Edwards when he is no longer in the race? It would not surprise me any.
before, you'd know what happens when someone finally wins the nomination. about a third of the loser's supporters will completely disappear, someone won't even vote in the upcoming election, and a large number will never be involved in politics again (at least, not for another candidate). another third will vote, but won't be involved to any large extent. and the final third will take their energy to another campaign, at a different level of elected office. that's a pretty steady trend over time...
I can't believe Obama and Edwards supporters are attempting a coup on MyDD. Clinton supporters have every right to express ourselves. Are you trying to limit free speech here? Are you saying Clinton supporters are not part of this Democracy or the Democratic Party? I have said it before, Clinton supporters are the minority on this site and we do our best to be heard. If you can't step up to the challenge then don't come here anymore. This is digusting and a pointless diary.
Where are the mods when you need them.
I guess I don't understand what your objection is? I'm not limiting anything. I'm trying to find like-minded compatriots. Why does that offend you?
"preventing Hillary from becoming the nominee"
"We can salvage MyDD together."
Those are direct quotes from your diary, which implies that Clinton supporters are polluting the site and must be stopped. That is disgusting. If you're tired of Clinton supporters speaking out then leave the site or step up to the debate like a civilized person. What you are doing is organizing comparable to a coup.
I don't really support this organizing attempt, but it's understandable.
Per Hillary supporter lori in this thread:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/9/17/2025
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Message discipline and preparation is one of the strengths of her campaign , tends to trickle down to supporters too.
Hey, I have no problem for Edwards supporters to organize. It's great, but the purpose of this diary is to take down a fellow Democrat.
The fact that Hillary Clinton is a Democrat earns her no special consideration from this Democrat.
Preventing one candidate from becoming the nominee is typically what supporters of differeing candidates tend to do in primaries, isn't it?
Also, I don't think there's anything wrong with opposing people with multiple user-names... so again, maybe you could point to what terms of use I've violated? If you can show that I'm violating the rules, I'll delete this diary.
No the primaries are NOT about "preventing," it's about nominating our best candidate to represent our Party. We may differ on who is the best candidate, but the primaries has and should never be about "preventing."
We may differ on the best candidate, but many of us are united in who is the worst candidate.
Yeah, you're right, 99% of us agree Gravel and Kucinich is the worst candidate.
Okay, you actually made me laugh with that one. Though I put Gravel, Biden and Richardson equally at the bottom.
I hope the plan isn't another 0 rating pogrom, those never really work out the way they are intended.
I'm sorry you need a diary like this. After all the opportunities, after all the chances to trip Clinton, Obama and Edwards tripped themselves. Obama had all the excitement behind him, Edwards has the entire left of the blogosphere yet their failing campaign to surge past Clinton is laughable.
I'm sorry you need to ignore the fact that there is a major administrative neglect issue and a failure to abide by / enforce the rules going on lately.
it's pretty easy to spot people using multiple accounts and nothing is getting done.
I would imagine it doesn't take weeks of effort to look at someone's IP address -- notice that they are the same and are logging in under 2+ accounts which all (or usually) agree with each others.
One Edwards/Obama supporter is suggesting the following on 'openleft', scary stuff on a site who's 'stated' purpose is to advance 'progressive agenda'....
Well, Duh (0.00 / 0)
To be more specific, opposing candidates need to work to drive up Hillary Clinton's negatives among likely primary voters.
One avenue is to find a clear wedge issue where a candidate can distinguish himself from HRC. I actually believe that she is a skillful enough politician to avoid being pinned down on specifics sufficiently to make residual forces that issue. For someone like Obama to find a wedge, he's going to have to work actively against unity in the Senate caucus.The other avenue is to unleash some heavy negative campaigning. I wouldn't necessarily attack along the same vectors, but I'd hammer her as hard as Republicans would in a general election, coming pretty close to running a "scorched earth" campaign that could cost her the presidency if she is the nominee. I wouldn't outright lie about things that are provably false, but I would rely on gossip and inuendo. I'd have someone follow her around with a video camera and try to bait her into a "macaca" moment. Ideally, I'd try to bait her into reacting angrily so that I would have footage that I could point to as evidence that she is "shrill".
Along that line, I would also work to demolish Bill Clinton's triangulating DLC legacy by funding scholars to right books on how the Clinton presidency set back the progressive movement.
Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of
by: Anthony de Jesus @ Mon Sep 17, 2007 at 22:18:27 PM CDT
Chris Bowers and Matt Stoller should be proud...
What the effity eff? Chris and Matt are now responsible for every single comment some random user posts on their site? I mean, you do realize that you're basically repeating point-for-point a smear Bill O'Reilly leveled against DKos, right?
You are right. But Anthony writes here (at MyDD) a lot. He is part of the "problem" (if it exists) as are those who state "Hillary Clinton is not a Democrat." Sorry to be hard on the diarist here, but I can't have sympathy for someone who makes that type of a non-sensical bash of the Democratic frontrunner.
I think the time would be better spent trying to salvage your candidate's campaigns. This is why you're losing- you don't know where your priorities are.
People who advocate a "scorched earth" policy against any of the democrats running is not a democrat. Someone who despises Clinton to the point of rather seeing 4 more years of a republican in office is not a democrat.
Nobody other than Areyouready has suggested a "scorched earth" campaign. And Democrat is with a big "D".
here's your problem: many people who oppose hillary do so on the grounds that they believe that nominating hillary insures another four years of republican rule of the white house. does that mean that hillary's supporters are not democrats?
perhaps you should investigate what democracy is all about. then you might think about what it means to what to kick out your fellow partisans (not that you are the only clinton supporter who feels this way)...
I'm not going to send an email to Vox about this, I'm not entirely supportive of some kind of plan to take back MyDD or anything strange like that, but come on now. Most of the posts in this thread are by Hillary supporters bitching about him doing this. This is a large part of the reason why people around here dislike the Hillary trolling squad - they'll post and troll in just about every diary - even ones that explicitly tell them NOT to post there, and give them their 2 cents no matter how biased, unsubstantiated, regurgitated, repetitive or vile it might be. Why the hell did you have to come to this thread if you have absolutely no business being here?
It's how they react when threatened. They're almost like wild animals in that aspect. Their pack hunts together. We just need a way to counteract that.
And you are to have us believe that Obama and Edwards supporters are all warm and fuzzy all the time? Give me a frickin break. You guys and gals have spouted some of the most vile shit at Hillary supporters imaginable. So can we at least have a discussion based upon facts? If you want some kind of truce, let's discuss it. Many of the same people making these complaints are the same folks that attempted to label Hillary supporters as Bots. Now we are trolls and hunt like a wolf pack. Get real! Obama and Edwards supporters have been organized for a long time. Witness the diaries that suddenly get on the recommended list with only 4 or so comments. That just isn't realistic. But for some reason you think that shit like that will pass unnoticed. We can all get along and respect one another. But you folks have to start respecting Hillary supporters because as you have learned, we can hit back. And we don't fight like girls.
This is a large part of the reason why people around here dislike the Hillary trolling squad - they'll post and troll in just about every diary - even ones that explicitly tell them NOT to post there, and give them their 2 cents no matter how biased, unsubstantiated, regurgitated, repetitive or vile it might be.
I'm angry with myself for responding to anything in this dairy, but I can't let that go.. MyDD is not the sanctum of Edwards/Obama supporters only. Anyone can comment on any diary they damn well please - that's the whole point. We have a discussion of the diary and what we think of it. The Hillary trolling squad? Of course, the Edwards and Obama supporters are always well informed, kind, considerate, entirely original and delightful.
Again, the point of having a blog where people can comment is so that people can comment. That shouldn't be too difficult to grok. Edwards supporters are free to comment on pro-Hillary diaries, and vice versa.
I don't subscribe to the limited viewpoint that all the other candidates supporters are vile pigs. I tend to disagree with them about some things, but that's why I'm here. I want to discuss these things and hear what other people have to say. If you want to have a discussion where everyone agrees, you should start (or join) an Edwards or Obama only site. This isn't one of them.
Why the hell did you have to come to this thread if you have absolutely no business being here?
This is the kind of vitriol that simply isn't helpful. We have every right to be here, and here we shall stay. Certainly, there are a few people(on each side) that add nothing to the debate. That reflects only on them. You call it trolling when a Hillary supporter comments and says something you don't like. It's biased when one of us says something, but when one of your guys comments, I'm sure it's completely reasoned and detached.
I wonder what the reaction would have been if one of my fellow Hillary supporters had written a diary calling for us to unite to destroy Obama. I imagine the reaction would have been swift and furious, and rightly so. The reaction would have been the same from me. This diary is shameful, and deserves to be called out as such, whether you think Hillary supporters have a right to speak or not.
you've got every right to be here, but absolutely no business being here. THIS particular thread that says: EDWARDS AND OBAMA SUPPORTERS ONLY. So again, I add, why do all of the HRC supporters find it in their heart to troll to this thread? I don't know.
Answer why the Hillary mob always finds it swell to swarm post in every single Diary that they find unfavorable; yes there may be a few good comment, but most of them are just the same old bullshit they'll always say (areyouready for one). Sure everyone has the right to comment everywhere, but that doesn't mean by doing so, you annoy and shoo away tons of people by the manner in which you do so. I've read lots of diarys now saying similar things as to why they are leaving.
you've got every right to be here, but absolutely no business being here. THIS particular thread that says: EDWARDS AND OBAMA SUPPORTERS ONLY. So again, I add, why do all of the HRC supporters find it in their heart to troll to this thread? I don't know.
Because I don't accept the premise. If the diarist had used the same title to espouse a great idea about how to create positive diaries about Obama or Edwards (or whoever), there would have been no problem. But that's not the idea in this diary; the point is to bring down Clinton. Why would you expect Clinton supporters not to respond to that, no matter what the title of the diary is? If I wrote a similar diary calling out only Clinton supporters, I would be just as out of line, and you would be right to call me on it.
This is a public blog, and it think it's ridiculous to think that any diary you write will be read and commented upon only by those you wish to comment, no matter what the title of the diary is.
Answer why the Hillary mob always finds it swell to swarm post in every single Diary that they find unfavorable; yes there may be a few good comment, but most of them are just the same old bullshit they'll always say (areyouready for one).
Because we are defending our candidate. That's what supporters are supposed to do. Are you really trying to say that Clinton supporters shouldn't post in diaries we find unfavorable? You seem to be suggesting that we should just let it go when someone diaries something that we think isn't true or accurate. I would never suggest that Edwards supporters just stand mute when an Obama or Clinton supporter makes a false charge. Much the opposite, they should vigorously oppose that. Why are Clinton supporters now allowed to do the same?
And please don't tell me that Clinton supporters are the only ones guilty of name calling and poor manners, 'cause it simply isn't so.
I agree with Denny Crane. Hillary supporters have "no business" being in this diary? That is, to put it mildly, a bit juvenile.
Why the hell did you have to come to this thread if you have absolutely no business being here?
Who died and made you God?
Please tell me you didn't actually mean that.
No attack on Hillary should go unanswered. I, for one, leave alone the ones that concentrate on their candidate in a positive without resorting to attack tactics on Hillary and I even recommend them. When I first came, there was free reign to attack Hillary everywhere with no one but George and perhaps one or two others who defended Hillary at all- this is what you people want to get back to- a board of Hillary bashes with no one defending her and that is not going to happen- you sure can dish it out but you can't take it.
I'm hoping to be convinced eventually, but I have already been meet with rudeness and uncivil activity -- so I sent you one anyways.
Sure, what the hell. I'm interested in seeing what you've got going.
You losers can do your best or your worst. It is a sign of utter desperation that you would make such a proposal. And it is kind of funny that you feel the need to gang up to stop the will of the Democratic party.
All this yapping about how MyDD has been destroyed because of Hillary supporters. I wonder if you even believe in democracy? No one here stops anyone from writing or reading diaries. So make your case for your candidate. If you can't take the criticism of your candidate's positions then you probably shouldn't be representing them. If you have something to say, say it.
Thanks for making the point of why I'm sending an email to Vox.
I can take the criticism of 'my' candidate. What irritates the hell out of me is that Hillary supporters personally attack the non-Hillary supporters - a style learned, I guess, at the feet of Ann Coulter.
Losers, indeed.
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