Of course.  Everybody is stupid because they are not in agreement with you.   That "theme" is what is sad.

No, I am not voting for Bloomberg, and it was meant as a /snark.

she has said no universal health care in a first term.

it's like her vote on the Iraq war.

people were arguing she said it was a mistake until the press made it clear she never did.

same pattern.  If a topic is not good for her, she clintonizes it so low information voters don't know the truth.

Look, I do want to read her plan.  All of them need to be dissected with a fine tooth comb.  And since she was the treadsetter on this, it should be the BEST.  So, put the link up so I can read her "first part".

that no Republican will ever propose any health care reform whatsoever. Hillary is still lightyears better than any Repug and I think that Moore's movie should have pointed this out.

just Look at Hillary's scars from 1993 and go into a trance.

Unless we pick up about 10 to 15 Senate seats (and a lot more in the House) in 2008 UHC in anyone's first term is a very uphill battle. Candidates can promise anything they think voters want to hear but the political reality is they need the votes to actually get it done. The healthcare and insurance industries are opposed to any form of UHC and it will be a very difficult battle to get it passed.

Hillary Clinton is the only leader alive who has been successful in getting UHC for at least part of the U.S. population. She was successful in getting CHIPS passed which has provided UHC tens of millions of children in the United States (and does so as a direct program without involving private health insurance policies).

Do you mean she is not going to try and campaign on it to be accomplished in her first term.?

If she campaign's on it and win's then she needs to push it. She will not accomplish it in a 2nd term for most presidents accomplish very little in a 2nd term.

I wish she had some gut's and would lead for once, instead of looking at where the political winds are blowing.

Look, it's simple.  Hillary will not push Universal Health Care, period!  It's BS to say that she'll get to it in her second term since there may well be no second term.  So, if universal health care is an important issue to you, there is no sense in hoping that Hillary will do anything on universal health coverage while she is President.

Plus, strategically, you don't go into this issue already saying "Geez, we don't have enough votes for universal coverage, so we'll do little by little first".  You start by proposing universal coverage and compromise from there if need be.  I'll at least give credit to Edwards and Obama for proposing universal coverage.  They're at least going into the health care debate from a position of strength.  If either of them win, they at least can say they have a mandate to push through a universal health care package as president.

Criticism for being realistic is pure smear and utter BS.

Did you read the comment that you responded to (mine)?
I did not argue that HRC would put off fighting for healthcare reform because she was being realistic (which I guess implies that Obama and Edwards are not realistic). I argued that HRC would not pursue healthcare reform because it burned her once, and she doesn't want to get burned again.

What do most people remember about Hillary? Bill's BJ and her failed attempt at healthcare reform. What the fastest way for her presidency to go down in flames? Another BJ for Bill or another failed attempt at healthcare reform. She will avoid both of those like the plague.

And what does this all mean? From my perspective, it means that a HRC presidency will ensure our healthcare system stays broken for another 4 years.