Obama's Plot to Remove His Name from Michigan Ballot

Last night, after being challenged by another MyDD poster to provide evidence for my assertion that Obama removed his name from the Michigan ballot because he felt he could not compete against Clinton there, I came upon the following column over at Talk Left:

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/25/ 183713/960

Now, the Talk Left piece uses sourcing from the Iowa Independent, a collection of journalists and bloggers. The story seems legitimate, as far as I can tell. Here is the original piece:

http://iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do? diaryId=1264

Ok, let's look at an excerpt from the Talk Left piece:

What TPM does not realize is that the removal (of Barack's name from the Michigan ballot) was an attempted power play by Obama because he knew he could not run well in Michigan and thought that the pressure of Iowa (protect the whole first thing) would allow him to shut down the possibility of a Michigan beauty contest being deemed meaningful. And indeed Obama's hardball ploy worked. Michigan was not covered.

What does this mean, and why is this important?

1. There was NO impetus from the DNC for Obama to remove his name, and he seems to be the mastermind behind the idea (which Edwards and Richardson agreed to later). In other words, it is HIS fault that his name was not on the ballot, and that voters could not vote for him. The gamble was all his, and it appears to have been made ONLY because Obama knew he would lose the state to HRC. In other words, Obama WANTED the situation we find ourselves in today because then he could claim, hypocritically, "I wasn't on the ballot."

2. This is critical because Obama WILLINGLY disenfranchised the voters of Michigan by not allowing them to cast a ballot specifically for him. This was a charade, and a cynical one at that.

The bottom line is this: Obama deserves, and will get no, sympathy for what happened in Michigan. No candidate campaigned there (although Obama's supporters in Michigan made a strong pitch to vote for 'Uncommitted' to try to hurt Clinton), and the playing field was level, as it was in Florida (well, at least until Barack ran his TV ad, anyways).

Obama, it seems, made the conscious and calculated decision to not give Michigan voters the choice to vote for him. What happens to him when the Michigan delegates are seated -- and it is beginning to look more and more likely that they will be seated -- is HIS OWN FAULT; he created this mess, and tried to get cute with the ballot games. Now, he looks to suffer the consequences of his hubris.

To that I can only say: You earned this, Barack, by trying to punk the Michigan voter. Enjoy.
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One final note: Don't let ANYONE try to tell you that Michigan was at fault for what happened to it's delegates. It is not. Michigan, although not happy with the setup, was prepared to keep its original primary date UNTIL NEW HAMPSHIRE SWITCHED THEIRS, in violation of an agreement between the states and the DNC. And the DNC, erroneously and against its own rules, chose only to punish Michigan and not New Hampshire. There is more to the story, but this is the basic upshot. So when someone falsely says that Michigan caused its own problems, you tell them that is flat-out untrue.

For more information on what I'm talking about on this point, please see this article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2007/10/08/AR2007100801511_ pf.html
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The bottom line of all of this information is this:

Barack played a foolish game in Michigan, and now the chickens are coming home to roost. In a deliberate plot to hurt HRC, he took his name off of the Michigan ballot. Michigan had been capriciously penalized by the DNC, unlike New Hampshire which was the state which first broke the rule/agreement which forced Michigan's hand.

The delegates deserve to be, and I believe will be, seated. The DNC faces both charges of selective enforcement of its rules as well as disaster in November if they do not do this. The same goes for Florida.

However, Barack has NO -- I repeat, ZERO -- case for what happened to him in Michigan. HE CAUSED IT, and he did it as a ploy to try to hurt Clinton. He gambled, he lost, and he is going to pay the price which he deserves to pay.

Don't let anyone tell you differently. This is what happened and what is likely to happen. Check the links, and see for yourself.

Tags: 2008 elections, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Michigan, Michigan primary, Primaries (all tags)

Comments

21 Comments

Re: Obama's Plot to Remove His Name from Michigan

What an idiotic theory, promoted by people who are desperate.  

by Cycloptichorn 2008-02-14 08:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Plot to Remove His Name from Michigan

It's not idiotic, and it's not a theory.  Did you read the story from the Iowa Independent at the time?  It seemed like the smart move for Obama at the time.

by ocli 2008-02-14 08:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Plot to Remove His Name from Michigan

Also, Obama and Edwards have never denied this was the case.  It is undeniable that their name was on the ballot, then they chose to remove it.

by ocli 2008-02-14 08:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Plot to Remove His Name from Michigan

Oh, I read it - it's entirely based on a few people's opinions and hearsay.

Nothing even approaching proof.

A tired attack by desperate supporters of a failing candidate.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-02-14 08:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Plot to Remove His Name from Michigan

Unnamed sources which may or may not even exist.

It wasn't a bone-headed move by Obama; they aren't going to get sat anyways, so what's the issue?

OH, I see that you're still holding out hope that the rules are going to be changed in the middle of the game, to pull Hillary's fat out of the fire.  I wouldn't bet on that happening.  

by Cycloptichorn 2008-02-14 09:40AM | 0 recs
Exactly right

I have been posting this story on other forums for a long time. The implication that Obama's name was not on the ballot in MI by some agreement among all the candidates that Clinton then broke is one of the many bits of BS from his supporters.  He made a conscious decision to woo Iowa voters at the expense of MI voters, and now wants to pay no price.

by ocli 2008-02-14 08:39AM | 0 recs
It's FL and MI that played games

to leapfrog over others. FL being the worst offender (both Dems and Republicans in FL voted for that move to take place). That's clear from your wapo article.

IA, NH and SC were only following their traditional roles (1st caucus, 1st  in the nation primary, 1st southern primary).

There's only one way to settle this. Re-Vote: have new primaries and caucuses in both FL and MI. DNC can easily fund-raise to cover the costs.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-14 09:31AM | 0 recs
Didn't Hillary AGREE that both

Michigan and Florida delegates would NOT be counted?

If she did and she goes against her own word than we Democrats should NEVER trust Hillary again.

by puma 2008-02-14 08:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Didn't Hillary AGREE that both

That's the sort of ridiculous, absolutist hyperbole that makes it impossible to have discussions with Republicans.  The candidates agreed not to campaign in Michigan and Florida.  Apparently, the Obama campaign went a step further, as they were concerned that a clear "beauty contest" win in Michigan would give Clinton momentum, so they took Obama's name off the ballot and encouraged other campaigns to do the same.  That was a political move.

Neither candidate campaigned in Florida and Michigan.  To the extent that anyone slipped a toe across the line, it was Obama - what with the national ads.  

Now Clinton argues for the inclusion of Michigan and Florida, because it is to her advantage to do so.  If Obama had won either/both contests by significant margins, he would argue to include the delegates, especially if it made up a defict.  Really, it's absurd to think otherwise.  He also claims wins in Nevada (where he lost popular vote but got more delegates) and Missouri (where he won the popular vote by a narrow margin but tied delegates) on his website because it is to his advantage to do so.

So: I could say: HEY!  LOOK!  OBAMA IS LYING ABOUT WINNING NEVADA.  WE DEMOCRATS SHOULD NEVER TRUST HIM AGAIN! - but that would be silly, that would be the definition of silly.  

by mgee 2008-02-14 09:01AM | 0 recs
Clintonian logic at it's finest

I have to give you credit for trying. Clinton said on NPR that MI didn't matter. Now that she is losing it does matter. Your defense is that there wasn't a "written" agreement. This is sort of like the response "it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." Laughable.

No amount of weasly hindsight is going to get the MI delegates apportioned according to the sham primary.

You are passionate about your candidate and I give you kudos for that. But these arguments, even if they succeeded, will only tear the party apart. Only the superdelegates can likely save her now and such a "stolen" result will guarantee a McCain victory.

OBAMA08

by Lawdawg 2008-02-14 09:12AM | 0 recs
Agreed

Moreover, even if Obama had stayed on the ballot in MI, there would still be the argument that these delegates should not be counted and that all sides agreed to avoid MI and FL. Thus, regardless of whether Obama arranged to have his and other names removed from the ballot, the point is moot. My guess is that if he did that, it had more to do with getting a leg up in IA as opposed to some fear that he could not win in MI. To that end, even though I doubt the conspiracy, it paid off given his performance in IA.

by Lawdawg 2008-02-14 09:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Plot to Remove His Name from

Florida legislators moved the date. Florida Dem voters are being punished.

Punishments should fit the crime as well as punish those actually responsible. I'm not disagreeing that the DNC should have taken action but their action focused not only on the wrong people, but went too far.

If they decided the FDP was at fault they could have withheld funding. If it was legislators they could also using funding, support, endorsement.

For delegates, they could have removed Florida superdelegates and a large portion of the other delegates. If they thought that the 50% in their rules was too low, then remove 90%. Remove enough to make it matter but leave some to make sure the people still matter.

by Step Beyond 2008-02-14 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Plot to Remove His Name

Hillary should remove her name from the ballot from every state Obama is favored to win.  Therefore, Obama can never claim that he beat her in any contest.

by mbfeldma 2008-02-14 09:44AM | 0 recs
Why?

Why are you attacking the Democratic nominee against McCain?

by mcdave 2008-02-14 09:46AM | 0 recs
Acting consistently with your word? Scandalous!

So let me get this straight. Obama and Hillary agree not to compete in Michigan. Accordingly, Obama has his name removed from the ballot, so that it's clear that he's not competing in Michigan.

Hillary, on the other hand, leaves her name on the ballot so that she can later go back on her word and argue that the delegates be seated.

Who's acting dishonestly?

by baudelairien 2008-02-14 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Plot

"It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything"

--Hillary Clinton, October 2007, referring to the Michigan primary.  http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory ?id=3717119

As the article explains, Hillary Clinton made that statement as her justification for keeping her name on the ballot, after everyone else had taken theirs off.  Because Michigan wouldn't count, she was saying, it didn't really matter that only she would be on the ballot.

She wasn't saying "These votes will ultimately count , and I have a better chance here -- so the others should be aware that if they take their names off I'm going to be looking to collect the delegates that they lose by not competing."  She was saying that it was irrelevant that she was on the ballot, because there was no actual vote in Michigan.

Different story now, isn't it?  After saying that she was staying on the ballot unlike everyone else purely for symbolic reasons in an election that "wouldn't count," now she wants it to count -- after it's too late for the others to get their names back on the ballot and have a fair vote.

This is an incredibly dishonest approach.  She should be ashamed.

By the way, I can at least follow the logic of the Florida argument -- although in that case too, Hillary is arguing for a change in the rules that she agreed to.  But it's the pinnacle of opportunism to argue that Michigan should count when she justified staying on the ballot unlike everyone else precisely because it wouldn't count.

Also, for you Hillary partisans:  Try to imagine Hillary (and Bill) Clinton's reaction to a vote where only Barack Obama's name was on the ballot, where Obama had agreed with everyone else that the vote "wouldn't count," where Clinton and everyone else were lumped under "uncommitted," and all the votes that Obama could get under that scenario would -- contrary to his earlier promise -- count for him.  Do you think they would stand for that, or would they consider it an outrage?  Hmmmm, let's take a guess.....

by Bluebeard 2008-02-14 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Plot
What I see from that is that Hillary is a cannier politician than either Obama or (my fave) JRE. She played it safe either way.
So it probably speaks to her experience of knowing how the party can pull the rug out from under you when you agree to a good-faith anything. I gotta say, it increases my confidence in her getting things done.
by votermom 2008-02-14 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Plot

At last, a Hillary supporter who admits that she thinks just like Hillary!

All of you who that that the nominating process had something to do with fairness or democracy, take note.  To votermom, it's perfectly fine that Hillary couldn't care less about those things, just so long as she wins with her "canny" deceptions.  It's just about doing whatever it takes to win, no matter how dishonest.

No wonder some of us want a new form of politics.

by Bluebeard 2008-02-14 11:04AM | 0 recs
I'm not an HRC supporter

at least not yet. I'm still plannning to vote for Edwards. And I wish JRE had put his name on that ballot, because if he had he might still be in this race. He would have won MI.
IIRC, DK's name was on that ballot too.

But really, imo the whole MI mess is the Democratic party's fault, not any of the candidates. I'm just saying Hillary's been around long enough to know that not giving voters a chance to vote for you is shooting yourself in the foot.

And that if anyone thinks the Dem party leaders are going to win in a game of chicken against anybody, incuding the MI legislature, hah. Exhibits A & B: Pelosi & Reid of the incredible rubber spines. So she was smart not to trust the party when they were threatening MI with not seating their delegates. They (party) were saying that because they assumed the primary would be wrapped up decisively by Super Tuesday and MI not be an issue. HRC was just showing she was smart enough not to assume anything of the sort.

But sure, continue to see everything in black & white.

by votermom 2008-02-14 11:25AM | 0 recs
Plot to Remove Name from Michigan Ballot

You people are crazy!  I thought this was a Democratic Party web site, but I see it's a Hillary love fest.  Well I'm from Michigan and very involved in the party politics and you people do not have a clue about Michigan.  

Since I'M AN OBAMA SUPPORTER, you can have your one sided blog.  

by wildhawk905 2008-02-14 10:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Plot to Remove His Name from Michigan

A splendid FACTUAL diary. This needs to be sent to every news outlet in Michigan. Then those people in Michigan that have hoodwinked by Obama will have their eyes opened.

Highly Recommended!

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-17 03:46AM | 0 recs

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