*NEW UPDATE!!!* -- Save it, Obama backers
by Universal, Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:22:54 PM EDT
UPDATE #2: Courtesy of the comments section below, here are some unfortunate yet relevant remarks made by Obama backers that help make my point of just how bad it has been for myself and other Clinton supporters throughout the campaign. Ladies and gentlemen, I present you with some stranger-than-fiction examples of Obama boosters' musings:
"Haha your candidate is gonna lose!"
I am simply amazed that Jerome lets this idiot (that would be Universal) ruin his blog with his petty whining.
Another patheitic crack pot diary by Universial.
It is no use getting drawn into this crud just so the diarist can turn around and troll rate as many Obama supporters as possible.
-- Travis Stark
There you have it.
Taunts, attempts to denigrate the blog we're all privileged to be able to post on, insults, and "pot calling the kettle black" remarks which ring especially hollow coming from Obama supporters, many of whom seem to thrive on troll-rating comments instead of writing diaries.
*Sigh* As sad as these comments are, thanks for helping to substantiate the point, guys. :(
Enough. We Clinton supporters are done being bullied by Obama and his acolytes. We are ready to stand up and reject this Politics of Hypocrisy being offered by Obama and embodied by too many of his would-be enforcer supporters. It is time to take back our party from these, what I consider to be, reckless individuals.
I urge you to stand with us who will not accept such 'leadership' that could both foster and encourage this kind of support. It is nearly good enough.
We want our party back, the party which fought with all its vigor over many years to put divisiveness and discrimination behind us in this great nation we call America.
UPDATE: Robin makes an excellent point down in the comments:
I see constant beratement, etc., that we will 'come around' in Nov. But the chances are that many of us won't. Whether or not it's enough to affect the outcome of the election remains to be seen, but that's not the point.The point is, our actions will not be about revenge. They will be more along the lines of civil disobedience. It's about what kind of party we want to belong to, and we don't want to belong to one that supports the type of tactics and philosophies that we see coming from the Obama camp.
Precisely. It is not enough that you support choice, or any other position. If your assent was illegitimate -- as Obama's will be due to FL & MI -- your victory is meaningless.
Further, as Robin says, I expect more from my party, NEED more from my party than to be called a 'racist' by the Speech Police for daring to not be under the sway of their One.
I cannot simply sit around while our party is torn asunder by those who are concerned with symbols while millions of voters are being wantonly disregarded for mere personal ambition.
This is a struggle for the very soul of our party. This is a coup in the making, and like many coups, all sorts of shadowy figures are involved. Like Rezko, or Wright, or Meeks, or Odinga, or Ayers, or Farrakhan...
What happened in the wake of New Hampshire was beyond the pale. Once Jackson, Jr. was not even rebuked, not to mention not fired, I knew things were going to spiral out of control. And they have.
If you give into bullies even once, you are forever weakened and diminished. Leahy, Pelosi and other 'leaders' of the party have abdicated their responsibilities, and the "all questions about Obama are instantly suspect" crowd has taken over. This is wrong, so wrong. And it is my obligation, as a loyal Democrat, to do what I am able to make sure that I at least try to avert the crash our party is headed for if these coercers are rewarded for their cynical, unseemly tactics. No. We have to draw the line and not be afraid of the fallacious invective that will be wrongly hurled at us for standing up for the good of our party's future. Author Shelby Steele outlined how this contest would play out, and I didn't want to believe him. But he was right. And it has been a blotch on our party's and nation's fabric. Chicago politics at it's deepest nadir.
I am saddened, and sickened. But there is much work to be done to ensure that the resuscitation of our party can commence after November.
Ok, let's get this out of the way.
The sudden cries of "Hey, let's all calm down here, right fellow Dems!" and "You know, maybe we SHOULD seat MI and FL" aren't fooling anyone.
Here are gambits which aren't going to work with many Clinton supporters who are very seriously considering not voting for Barack Obama should he be nominated:
1. "You know what, I just decided that's it IS ok if we seat MI and FL. And guess what -- maybe we can even do it now!"
Give me a break.
Do you guys really think you're clever? Do you think we didn't hear about the NC delegation supposedly going for BHO? Do you think that anybody is dumb enough to fall for this?
We all see through you clearly: You think you have things wrapped up now, you know disenfranchisement is a nuclear issue among other Dems and now you're trying to pat us on the head by pretending to be magnanimous when you were all but emptying your bladders when you thought the two states would affect the race?
Stop, please. Save yourselves the embarrassment.
2. The Supreme Court argument
A better argument than #1 for sure, but still not going to work. It's about the timing. If you're making this argument on the day when you feel like you have just sewn things up, you look like a sniveling, guilty-conscienced nitwit. Again, ridiculously transparent. "Hey, we got this thing! Now let's go do some patronizing damage control and maybe they'll forget those times when some of my fellow BHO supporters called them 'racists' and troll rated their every post in the thread, including the one that said "Happy Birthday, Barack!"
You should have thought about that before. This isn't make-up sex time, people are legitimately outraged. And we get more pissed-off when you guys are apparently stupid enough to think you're being slick with this type of tripe. It's insulting.
3. Purity Test Argument
"Go join Red Sate!"
"You're a Republican troll"
"Freeper's that way!"
Here's where we're at:
Many HRC supporters see a high number of Obama supporters as 'don't know jack about politics', 'I'm a stud but yes it's my first vote ever,' thuggish, 'send robocalls to tell you to caucus on the wrong day', 'Jeremiah Wright is right and you'll like it or I'll play the "racist" card on you', cognitively questionable individuals. Making statements like "Tell Bush I said hi" isn't helping you and your fellow Obama supporters' cases any.
Get a grip. Deep breaths.
Here's the summary of much of what I've heard from Clinton backers:
Obama, his campaign and his supporters did this to themselves. They are at fault for the 30% of HRC backers who say they will not vote for BHO in a general election against McCain.
I agree. You guys blew it, badly. And there is no certainty that Humpty Dumpty Dem party is going to be put back together again this election cycle, at least not at the top of the ticket.
If these numbers hold up, combined with the Wright tapes ads sure to come, Obama is looking at a McGovern-level loss should he be nominated. He would be finished as a presidential contender permanently.
So if you're channeling Pat Leahy or Chris Dodd, 'think before you type' would be my advice.
If Obama wins the nomination, which is a long way from now, the Clinton backers hold all the cards. We control whether or not he gets elected, or is at least competitive. We can turn the primary into the largest Pyrrhic victory since who knows when.
Many of us are considering doing just that. We believe firmly that the actions of a detestable, race-baiting campaign filled with Jesse Jackson Jr's, South Carolina memos, Spanish ads saying Hillary doesn't respect our people and John Lewis getting mugged not only shouldn't be rewarded but MUST not be rewarded or else the party could split irrevocably. We want to tell Barack to kiss our backsides because of his "her voters will vote for me but mine won't vote for her" crap. We want to tell Michelle "not sure if I can support Hillary" to stop speaking, resoundingly.
And at least as much as any of it, we want to make sure a clear message is sent out to the troll rate abusing, 'you're a racist!', 'I'm used to doing whatever I want on Daily Kos', 'we'll post pictures and tell people to harass you' embarrassments who call themselves Democrats and who support Obama. This is certainly not all Obama supporters, but to me and many others, it is far too high a percentage of Barack's backers.
Many of us HRC boosters are very inclined to see Barack lose -- at least that's how we feel right now -- if he wins the nomination. That is a guaranteed way to silence the incompetent party leaders, Obama's supporters, CNN & MSNBC and to dole out some MI and FL payback to Obama himself for their being disenfranchised. Some Clinton supporters are already set on doing this. Others like myself are leaning strongly towards it. Many others are trying to figure out if this is to be their path or not.
We Hillary backers are prepared to sacrifice our short-term goal of winning the White House in order to intervene in what we consider to be the hijacking of our party Obama and many of his seemingly zealot followers have undertaken.
We will make our decision, when and if the time comes, independent of pressure from others. We're not John Lewis (a great man who unfortunately succumbed to outrageous coercion from the BHO contingent). It is our choice alone.
However, if you want to help push us away from voting for Barack, by all means post disingenuous comments and diaries about how it's now 'ok' to seat MI and FL. Post the faux 'unity today (b/c my guy's in!)' diaries. Post the 'You're GOP' comments.
Who knows, maybe we can go Barack one better and be "Repubs for a day!" on Election Tuesday in November.
But when Barack Obama becomes Barack Mondale, you'll realize you have no one to blame but yourselves. We're already in that spot now, and no one knows just how large the backlash can grow, particularly if stoked.