given your history all over the internet, big loss.

We were sure counting on having your crap behind us.

File this under BREAKING

Can't lose what one never had.

You can vote for the same guy in November that 1 out of 4 of Clinton's supporters in Mississippi are planning to-  their party's candidate, John McCain.

I've already pledged if FL and MI are not represented and counted at the DNC, I will register as an Independent. I cannot and will not be part of a party that disenfranchises people. I won't do it. I feel very strongly about this. As for Obama, he still needs to explain himself to me. Right now, I'm CONSIDERING McCain if Obama is the nominee.

Judging from your continual hateful and extreme commentary on Hillaryis44.org, you never once fathomed giving Obama your support. Don't be disingenuous.

me too

IF THEY TRY THIS,THEY WILL LOSE ENOUGH OF THE REMAINING SUPER DELEGATES TO GUARANTEE THEIR LOSS.

I HOPE THEY CONTINUE ON THIS PATH.

And here's a link.

Now shoo. Begone.

Obama hasn't won anything that matters, according to Hillary -  and Hillary is still going to win, remember?

Or is this just a long, bitter concession speech?

I can't tell.

I just love this bit of bullshit..

Now, I've known the story of Obama kicking off his would-be challengers from the 1996 Illinois State Senate ballot for some time. It's not news for me. I know that he left popular state senator Alice Palmer out to dry, not having the guts to let the voters decided whether they wanted Ms. Palmer instead of himself as their representative.

You conveniently leave out that Palmer had announced initially that she would not run for reelection, as she was focused on winning a congressional primary.  She gave her word that the field was cleared for the challengers (Obama being tops among them).

She then lost the federal primary and tried to backdoor her way back into a job... She hurriedly FORGED a nominating petition.

This wasn't a matter of Palmer not crossing the T's and dotting the I's -- this was a matter of a fraudulent nominating petition.

I'd think less of Obama if people like you were voting for him.

Don't worry, Hillary is inevitable, right?  The superdelegates will swoop in and magically deliver the nomination to her.  So you have nothing to worry about.

Working on it tho

Ha ha ha.  I guess I should write a diary about how McCain has lost my vote.  It was touch and go for a while, but for me it was the day he became a Republican...

I think people from either campaign who say "If my candidate doesn't win, I'll vote for McCain" aren't really people who think about democratic issues.  They are more or less people who've drawn their line in the sand for what really is now a popularity contest.  You like your candidate and if they don't get nominated, you'd vote for a Republican just to spite the Democrats who didn't vote your way.  It's really immature and goes right back to the sandbox politics of kindergarten.  

I hope people also keep in mind that for the most part all politicians are vain, ego-driven, publicity whores.  Anyone whose convinced themselves otherwise is most likely delusional.

Laugh it up fun boyz.

You are helping to destroy a party some have valued highly. It's being turned into the vessel of the ambition of a single. Huey Long was the first enemy of Roosevelt's New Deal Democratic coalition.

Ironic that a Huey Long wannabe is prepping to be the agent of it's breaking up.

LOL Universal. It's OK to vote for BHO in November. The paychecks from camp Clinton will have stopped by then. You won't feel any guilt. I promise.

Another silly diary by another sillyperson. I really don't have patience for anyone who will not do everything they can to prevent a REpublican from obtaining the WH. No respect what so ever for your views. THis is true of any Obama or Clinton supporter. Grow up. This isn't about one cyle or person- it's about the direction of the country as a whole. At the end of the day- any Democrat is 100 times better than Mr 100 Years War. If you don't see that then you really haven't been paying attention or are too much a shill to ever learn.

What's interesting is that in that article, one of the candidates actually admits that the signatures that the politician submitted were fraudulent.

Get lost.

Calm down dear friends. There is always a first time for everything. We might have to vote for a hypocrite this Nov. That's a first in many voters life. But that's politics.

If Obama is the nominee I will be voting for Nader who I am glad is running again so that all Clinton supporters have somewhere to go and not vote Republican. The Obama camp lost me calling Bill Clinton a racist, it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

I voted for Dean in 2004, never cared for Kerry but I voted for him in the general. Was all for Gore in 2000 but I will never vote for Obama.

Great diary, thanks. He never had my vote because at a time when we are engaged in two wars and gas is 4:00 a barrel and people are losing their homes I want someone with more than a speech to be the next president. He is completely unqualified for the job and we'd be insane to nominate him. (no, not because he's black, but because he is completely unqualified.) Oh, and it doesn't help that he has run such a hateful and disgusting campaign as to alienate a large coalition of democrats who he has called "Archie Bunker dems" and other disgusting terms. (Archie Bunker wasn't a democrat and wouldn't have voted for a woman.) BO has been too shortsighted, even if the supers were to give him the nomination, he can't win the general because many of us now hate him.

He never had my vote, and never will after his disgraceful use of the race card anytime things don't go his way or when people point out his lack of credentials for the job he is applying for.The equally disgraceful,corrupt, disonhest, DNC trying to disenfranchise voters will only bring another Republican administration. So be it, they totally deserve it.

For those saying they would never vote for Obama b/c they think his is talking about not allowing FL/MI to vote:

Can you say with 100% that if Clinton were in the same position as Obama -- in the delegate lead but having lost non DNC sanctioned votes in FL/MI -- that she would not consider the same strategy you say Obama is engaged in?

I'd like to take you at your word, but for the fact that for the last 4 weeks you have been submitting post after post that props up HRC, and minimizes Obama, often without the benefit of a recognition of fact.

To suggest that you only made up your mind today is disingenuous at best.  

This is a good one.

I'm sure you are just in tears over the sad helpless Florida voters who are simply devastated to be left out of the process.

As a result you must support the candidate whose only hope for winning is to use the party insiders to overturn the popular vote, with or without Florida, and throw every single vote from every single state out of the window.

You truly are making a principled stand.

I am truly disgusted at Obama. I blame him. His campaign top aides, and supporters all use the same race bait themes. They are disgusting. He is disgusting. I dont give a damn what the Obama cult does, I want no part of it.

I will vote for whomever the Democrats nominate. But, until that second, I will fight with every bone in my body to prevent that from being Obama.

He's saying F.U. to voting.

This won't stand, and many of us are going to be more fighting mad than Gerry--who ain't no racist.  Let's get real about that right now.   Kos keeps calling Democrats who won't think his way racists, and looking for flyers and bits of speeches.  It's crazy, but I hope he gets his own share of karma for this one.

Winning at any cost, tearing down a person's life's work in progressive politics when being progressive was not hip like now (the 1980's--thank people like the Clintons and Ferraro for so many strides made while Kos was playing tiddly winks) is so sick.  

They're mad at Hillary for the nerve of continually trying to say she's more prepared during a time of war.  That's called campaigning.  So what do they do in retaliation?

1) Try to not count votes
2) Call all these real, true progressives who kept this country from going Reagan for good (Reagan was a real racist) RACISTS.  It's sick.  And Kos  makes up a phony flyer story that doesn't sell and then finds a sentence from a Ferraro speech to rally the troops.

Consistently, bloggers like Kos and Obama's strategist Axelrod have called Clinton supporters racists whenever they've had to answer quesions of readiness and electability. Now they're trying to use any excuse they can to keep voters and superdelegates from voting their mind.    

If being a Divider is what Obama wants to be about, well try fighting the Republicans PLUS your own party.

The Ferraro Democrats have left the building. Yawn.

While I would prefer that Hillary be the one to nominate, and that I am disturbed that Obama defended the Roberts vote, we can't allow McCain to be in the position to shape our laws for a generation.

For what its worth, most of the Florida Dem delegation are Clinton supporters (Wexler and Castor are the only Obama supporters I know of). They are against a revote because they want the Jan 29 results to stand, not because they don't want representation at all.

and as I listened to Congressman Wexler and his insipid attempts at rationalizing the decision to render his own constituents meaningless, my suspicions were confirmed.

I heard it too. It was an amazing exchange. Blitzer was asking: Well then what are you for! And Wexler was saying: We are for fairness and democracy and we need to be fair and follow the rule and make sure it is fair for everyone and noone gets an advantage or disadvantage and it it should be fair and follow the rules....

I'm not there yet.

A McCain Presidency would install thre more "conservative" Supreme's and I care too much about my children to go with that.

That said, this guy Obama looks worse everyday. Heaven help us...

no matter who it is.

For all his faults, Obama would appoint better Supreme Court judges than McCain. Justice Stevens is 88 years old.

I just have one question for the Barack Obama Suporters. Lets say that you get your way and Florida and Michigan does not get counted, "thats the rules". Should BO win the primary and has to go to a national Election against McCain, how will he win Floida and Michigan when voters already know that he would not let their vote count in the Primaries?

i'm in your camp.....and all I can say is "YES I CAN"....without MY vote from YOU Obama....

your fellow Freepers here.

Lifelong Democrat my ass.

Several months ago, I was for Obama. After learning more about him and about Hillary, I became vehemently anti-Obama and very pro-Hillary. Universal has an excellent diary here that shows how the thought process went to arrive at the conclusion that a vote for Obama is impossible. Same here.

If the super delegates have any sense, Hillary will be our nominee. Giving it to Obama would be political suicide for the party. Obama wouldn't win the GE so that loss, the third in a row, would devastate the DNC. We'd end up with the hawkish McCain but given what's going on in the world, a dove would just be roasted on the spit of history. After 9/11, a hawk was a good thing to have. Too bad it had to be a dumb hawk.

There is no way the MI and FL votes are going to be ignored. The will of the people must be respected. If the DNC is dumb enough to ignore those votes, they'll get just what they deserve. Unfortunately, the rest of us would have to pay the price.

Boo on you for this diary.  You should know better.

If Hillary was the surefire nominee, I am willing to bet that people like SusanHu and others who recommend this diary would have been furious if someone talked about not voting for the Dem nominee.

Haven writing these kinds of diaries for the last 6 months.

I agree with the diarist here but for different reasons.

Obama does not want to disenfranchise anyone...stop this bullshit...think about the disgusting people in the White House.  Both Hillary and Barack are far far superior.  For the good of the WORLD, I hope you will reconsider.

Almost a year ago the states of Florida and Michigan chose to ignore the party's rules. Theirs was not an error of ignorance. It was a direct affront to the rules of an organization.

Fast forward one year and suddenly the Clinton camp suddenly becomes full of rage at the indignities to enforce the rules.

Someone please explain why it took a full year to challenge the situation. A prudent man or woman is aware of the reason.

50-50 is a soviet-style farce.  It is worse than not seating any delegates from MI and FL at all.

It's really sad when you realize that the Republicans' nomination system is more democratic than the Democrats'!

Somewhere, John McCain and Dubya are smiling.

The "netroots" are soooo ridiculous.

What a waste of time; full of childish people enamored by personalities as if it was the prom king and queen contest instead of the future of our country's economy, war policy, supreme court. Real people's lives are at stake here, not your favorite sports team.

Give me a break. I shudder to think that actual people are capable of writing such things on the internets.

Not to negate your sentiment here, but I don't think the feelings espoused by the Michigan Co-Chair is indicative of the Obama Campaign as a whole. In fact, today they have repudiated his comments more than once, just about every major neutral blog out there points this out. The Obama campaign will accept any rule-abiding DNC outcome. It is, frankly, disingenuous for you to critique Obama because of one of his more passionate and eccentric surrogate's opinions on the subject, when Hillary herself said today that the original Michigan contest was fair and should be counted as is. A simple look at voter turnout versus state population (you can do it yourself with US Cencus data and vote totals in excel if you don't believe me) compared to the other primaries this season has Michigan at least 30% beneath what should be expected. So a significant part of the population stayed home, and all the other major candidates were not even on the ballot, under the assumption the race was a beauty contest not to be counted. If that's not considered shameless opportunism and voter disenfranchisement in your book, then I don't even know why you bother to try and engage anyone in this type of conversation. For reference, I don't oppose a revote so long as it is done right and doesn't saddle the taxpayers with $15 mil extra debt or open the contest to fraud.

Truly amazing.  All the Clinton people going on about disenfranchisement. A few questions:

1. Do you really believe that the delegates won't be seated?  All signs point to them being seated.  Maybe not how you would like them (from a one-sided election favoring Hillary), but they will be seated.
   
2. Would all the people who stayed home because they were told that that vote didn't count be disenfranchised if the "primary" conducted before Feb 5 was counted?  Of course so.  Only a new primary would be fair to th voters who stayed home.
   
3. Do you really and truly believe that a ballot with only one candidate on it (Soviet-style) is legitimate?  Take a breath and think about it: a victory for Clinton on ballot where Obama appears has much more meaning than the one where he doesn't.  Why not compete fair and square?
   
4. Do you honestly believe that Hillary would be pushing so hard if the situation was reversed?  I mean, really. You are aware that prior to losing Iowa she didn't question the ruling against MI and  FL?

Face it: you're in the thrall of your candidate and you can't bear that she's losing. She's willing to change the rules she agreed to after the fact in order to change an election that's not going her way and you're OK with that.  

As for Obama, all I can tell is that he wants to seat the delegates, but isn't willing to have the Hillary campaign dictate how.  Both campaigns are in negotiations with the state parties and the DNC. The thing all along that really riles Clinton and her hardcore supporters is that he's not rolling over so easily.  Sorry, kids, he's winning by the rules everyone knew about ahead of time.  Too bad it's not going your way.

Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya buddy.

On the way out could you turn out the light.. oh yeah, and please get out of my party.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.  Oh, and please start posting at Free Republic now instead of continuing to smear this place with your filth any longer.  Thank you.  Buh-bye.

On the one hand they claim that Obama is to weak to fight McCain. That he would be steamrolled in the general election, and that their candidate is "the fighter". He's not Obama but Obambi they say.

On the other hand they claim the Clinton race baiting where all an Obama scheme. That the Clintons where tricked by Obama and his campaign and painted into rascists by this Obama plot.

It's one or the other guys. Either the Clintons are race baiters, and Obama is not strong enough and too sweet to be able to stand up to McCain.

Or it is indeed an "Obama plot", in that case he is a fantastic campaigner and a genius strategists. He's certainly not Obambi in that case, and if he could really do this with Democrats to the once loved and revered Clintons, can you imagine how he will be able to steamwaltz McCain. If the "Obamaplot" is true, come november Americans will probably see McCain as the new Adolph Hitler. And it is obvious Obama is the fighter here.

So Clintonites, make your choice. Both stories can't be true at the same time. Obama is either Obambi (which is what I think, and after 7 years of warmongering i believe a bambi is needed and can win) or Obama is behind the entire anti-clinton plot in which case Obama is the most down and dirty fighter in history and will likely leave a corpse where McCain once stood in the general election.  

Oh and Clinton lost my vote a long time ago. I don't think having an apologists and war-enabler is what our country needs right now.

Anyone dense enough to say they'll support (by voting for or not voting against) McCain over Obama/Clinton listen up.

It's not Obama's fault our party is falling into a civil war.

It's not Clinton's fault our party is falling into a civil war.

It's your fault. You are cutting off your nose to spite your face and giving this nation 4 more years of Bush governance.

Exxon-Mobil thanks you.

If you replace "Team Obama" with "Clinton Machine" then your diary makes sense.

Putting the victim on trial... Please go back to Free Republic.. I'd rather not have someone as ignorant as you are in our party.  

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/tal k/2008/03/olbermann-special-comment-on-f .php

You won't be missed. Enjoy the SCOTUS you get.

I wish he would stop being black. How DARE he?

Well, Ill still vote for nominee, though i understand your frustations with him, and especially, his holier than thou supporters who shamelessely accuse Hillary of being a racist for their own gain, the funny thing is, the same accusations is what will likely sink them in the end, as the G.E becomes a race-sensitivity fest, which most Americans don't want to live with for 4 to 8 years...

Black people really disappoint me in this primary season.

Before Obama, Clinton was their first black president. He was blacker than they are. With Obama playing the race card, they go 90% to Obama and Clinton means nothing to them. And a lot of them simply trash Clintons.

Even worse, those black superdelegates switch sides because of race. You have to wonder whether they have souls.

In this election, they are trying to elect a black guy to get equal. But in doing these things, they are lowering the whole black race to a much lower level morally.

It's sad that the whole race is being played like this. Do you think it is whorth fighting for them?

Well, that's it then, I guess Obama better give up.

I concur wholeheartedly.  And for millions of us lifelong Democrats, we will be casting our ballots for John McCain if Barack Obama becomes the Democratic nominee.

There can never be reconciliation now.

The die was cast when team Obama, egged on by the longtime Clinton-hating media, decided to use those forces as a tool to trash and burn the Clintons on Obama's path to the nomination.

Throughout American political history there has been an unwritten rule, always abided by until now: whether Democrat or Republican, one does not denigrate any past president of one's own party.  Much less the former First Lady, even if she becomes a presidential candidate.

One must run on one's own record, and one can rightly point out differences.  But denigrating, if not lacerating past presidents of one's own party?  No, it is simply not done.

This year's GOP candidates had every reason to want to complain about the performance of President George Walker Bush.  The current president has among the lowest job approval records on record.

Yet the GOP candidates carefully refrained from any negative commenting.  They understood party protocal, however temping such comments might have been.

Now, even though John McCain is not the heartfelt nominee of many in the GOP, there has been a ready gathering of forces.  The GOP understands well that the alternative in the fall for most of them is clearly unacceptable.

What a far cry from the current Democratic presidential contest!  

The former First Lady of the United States is about one hundred delegates behind a Freshman Senator from Illinois.  

That delegate lead exists only because the DNC refuses to accept the verdict of millions of Michigan and Florida voters, every one of whom knew full well whom they were voting for, whether for Hillary or "uncommitted slate" in Michigan or by individual candidates in Florida.

Now, the likelihood is that Senator Clinton will get to the Democratic Convention having won every Blue State except Senator Obama's own Illinois, and the two key bell-weathers of Ohio and Florida, and Senator Obama will have won every Red State and Fringe State (Wisconsin, Washington, Maine and the like).

Obama only will have more delegates if Michigan and Florida voters' preferances are denied to them as originally cast.

And he would become the first nominee of any United States political party to emerge as standard-bearer having lost his party's core constituancy in his own party's key states!

In effect, he would be a Red and Fringe state champion representing Blue State America!

Well, we in Ohio long ago saw through the Obama facade.  No amount of media spinning or millions of dollars in advertising (out-spending Clinton here by at least four-to-one) or newspaper endorsements (Obama had virtually all major endorsements save two) could salvage his campaign.

In the end, he lost the state by a whopping 83 of 88 counties!  And by a blow-out of at least ten percent!  

And this is the man Democrats would nominate to go against John McCain in the most reliable bell-weather of all time?  The state in which it has been said, for nigh on one hundred years, "as Ohio goes, so goes the nation!"

The only time Ohio didn't go the winning presidential way was JFK versus Richard Nixon.  

And while Obama fans like to compare their candidate to JFK, there is a huge difference in those election strategies.  JFK also had LBJ as a veep, the most powerful politician of his time, who could deliver the yet solid Democratic South to Kennedy.

That once Solid Democratic South has not been Democratic since LBJ.  And that has everything to with a racial divide--which sadly emerged as a result of Great Society Civil Rights legislation.

We lifetime Ohioans knew that Obama hadn't a prayer of winning the state's primary.  And we are just as certain that he is toast against McCain here in the general.  

Losing 83 of 88 counties in a primary is far more indicative of a general election result than any cu8rrent SUSA poll which assumes the state might still go blue if Obama were the nominee.

It didn't happen in the primary, and it won't happen in the general.  One can "take that to the bank."

And we in Ohio know well our neighboring Pennsylvania, and understand that Obama can't win there either, whether he spends a billion in ads or sends tens of thousands of canvasers throughout the state.

Another dangerous aspect about the Obama posturing is not only that the inexperience clearly shows, but his sensitivity is also manifestly clear.

From a long coddled path by way of the MSM, Obama can neither be objectively viewed nor criticized as to the racial divide which has obviously emerged from his candidacy.

Former Vice-presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro keenly observed that were Barack Obama other than African-American, his Freshman Senator status would have made him hardly presidential timber.

But she too has gone now--there must be no questioning, no examination of how that racial divide is at work.

Now, so delusional are many in the Obama camp that they actually believe that because he has been coddled and pampered, because he has blazed through caucuses and primaries in Red States and Fringe States, that this divide doesn't exist.  

Or at very least that it will not be a major obstacle to his presidential path.

But they could not be more wrong.  Pretending something is or is not, doesn't make it so.

Occasionally, his forces are fired up by favorable opinion polls.  

They really believe NBC/Wall Street Journal polls which tells them that Democrats believe that Obama is the stronger to face McCain.  Or that Bill Clinton has lost popularity.

These are the same polling outfits (John Zogby long affiliation) which predicted Obama's besting Clinton in New Hampshire, in California, in Texas, and "having a statistical draw" with her in Ohio.  Not any of which happened.  No, not even close.

And Bill Clinton only two days ago made a brief visit among denizens of Canton, Ohio on behalf of Hillary and just a small group of Clinton fans were more than eager to provide another quarter million to her campaign.

Senator Clinton has very healthy 19-point leads in the Keystone state of Pennsylvania.

And if Michigan and Florida delegations were seated as represented by their actual vote preferances, it would be Hillary with a delegate lead--not Obama.

Not bad for a campaign which has been presumably moribund, or at least called dead by the MSM a few dozen times since January!

And, despite the presumed Obama "preferance" of ever Clinton-hating NBC polls, Hillary is now poised to win very big in Pennsylvania.

Interesting dynamic indeed.  Will the Democrats choose the candidate from their own Blue States and bell-weather Ohio and Florida, or the candidate with big crowds in Red States and Fringe States?

Time alone will tell.

But this lifelong Ohioan and lifelong Democrat knows this now:  I cannot ever support Obama.  

And neither will the state of Ohio come this fall.

Not if the heavens open, if billions are poured into the state and thousands canvas minute-by-minute through election day.

That is just how unpopular Senator Obama truly is.

Either the Democratic Party comes to that realization now, or face a debacle of epic proportions.  And no fawning media and skewered poll results will prevent it.  It is as inevitable as the dawn of a new day.