If you intend to riot in Denver over Superdelegates...

This has been cross posted at Daily Kos
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/8/1 24759/1599/864/452712
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...prepare to be met not only by legal authorities, but by non-violent Democratic Party members who are 1000% resolved that the Convention will take place without threat or duress to its convening members.

Many of us were around in 1984 when we were VERY pissed about how the superdelegates broke. We dealt with it, because that was the rule when the primary season commenced. And we bitched about it after that primary season ended.

Superdelegates constitute roughly 20% of all delegates and, as such, it is not unexpected that they could decide an election, much as the other 80% of delegates could.

I have an inordinate amount of complaints with the DNC and our nation's elections. Caucuses suck - they are a throwback to a less democratic time and they are often not pleasant to attend, as many have said during this primary season who participated in and/or helped staff them for various campaigns.

That is but one example of the crap which needs reformed.

And we need to reform it ASAP.

But it's not getting changed mid-stream, mid-primary season. That's not fair to the candidates, any of them.

And it sure as HELL isn't getting changed under threat of violence or rioting.

I have fought against bullies and violence my entire life, and if that struggle needs to continue in Denver, it will. I will link my limbs with my fellow Democratic brothers and sisters in keeping with the traditions of Dr. King, and Gandhi before him.

I'm all for crashing the gate, but this isn't France and I will gladly join in preventing an American Bastille Day, especially one which would involve Dems against Dems.

Some here have provocatively posted pictures from 1968, in what can only be interpreted as seeking to intimidate those who oppose their candidate(s) and threatening physical conflict if they are not satisfied with the results of the nomination process.

This is not 1968, and Denver is not Chicago. Most Democrats don't respond well to threats, and I count myself among that group.

If you want to be part of a mob and riot, I suggest you take up residency in some skinhead or neo-fascist group.

If you want to protest non-violently, be my guest. That is what Dems have done for generations.

But if you seek to bully those of us who don't agree with you, or who don't share in your leanings, and who are opposed to rioting and physical intimidation of all manners -- be it against elected officials or a husband against his wife -- than you are sadly mistaken if you think we who have opposed such measures our entire lives will be amenable to capitulating to -- or having our representatives capitulate due to -- such methods.

And if you plan, despite all other available avenues -- including leaving the Party or voting Republican -- to riot in Colorado, anyways?

Then I, my friend, will see you in Denver. I'll be one of the many locked in arms, non-violently, seeking to prevent you and your fellow thugs from threatening my Party's National Convention.

Tags: 1968 Democratic National Convention, 2008 Democratic National Convention, Martin Luther King, Mohandas Gandhi, non-violent resistance, superdelegates (all tags)

Comments

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Riots? What Obama gonna bring his cousin over?

Is Obama planning to bring Raila Odinga and his crew over to sack Denver?   Set it ablaze?  What?

I haven't heard of any riots.

I doubt Clinton supporters will riot.

Obama, his campaign, and his supporters need to grow up and start acting like adults.

by dpANDREWS 2008-02-08 09:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Riots? What Obama gonna bring his cousin over?

What you haven't heard of any riots... maybe because no one is talking about and because none are going to happen...

But nice way to try to smear Obama with Kenya again...

by labor nrrd 2008-02-08 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: If you intend to riot in Denver over Superdele

We need to be a united party in Denver.  It's looking more and more like the only way to do that is to have both Clinton and Obama on the ticket.  

This site sums it up well http://www.16yearplan.com

by lgbtvoter 2008-02-08 09:07AM | 0 recs
Re: If you intend to riot in Denver over Superdele

Gore won in 2000.

by lgbtvoter 2008-02-08 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: If you intend to riot in Denver over Superdele

So did Kerry in 2004...

by Quinton 2008-02-08 09:18AM | 0 recs
Why

Why would Obama put the person with the highest negatives in the Democratic party on his ticket?  People are voting for Obama in order to turn the page and offer Americans a genuine chance to change their country in a way no one in Washington has let them as it is now.  Putting "more of the same" on the bottom of the ticket will impress voters little more than having it on the top.

by affratboy22 2008-02-08 09:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Why

No one is going to riot.  If some idiots said that, number one I doubt any of them will even be there, but it won't happen.  

People on both sides have threatened to vote for McCain... 99.9% won't.

by labor nrrd 2008-02-08 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Why

ok guys a .4% split is hardly some sort of Clinton sweep.  Infact considering she came into this race with 100% name recognition and is having to use a decimal point to claim victory is quite sad.  

by affratboy22 2008-02-08 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: If you intend to riot in Denver over Superdele

If she does maintain her lead with the popular vote and there is a riot at the convention by Obama's supporters well that just smacks of entitlement and affirmative action. I would have to leave the party. Least of all I believe it would set the AA movement back by some time and only feed into certain prejudices. We really don't need that.

by Iceblinkjm 2008-02-08 09:43AM | 0 recs
Re: If you intend to riot in Denver over Superdele

Just read it... yes people were making fun of you for making up an issue... standing up for non-violence is not "out" but pretending your political opponents are goons based on nothing is.

Also, read through the comments and didn't see anyone saying that they will riot in Denver.  Maybe they got hidden, I assumed I would see something as there are so many idiots on the internet (remember when yahoo had comments on the news).  But I am not seeing anything.

Where is this diary you saw, and what was the reaction....  Right up on the recommended list, with a ton of people saying "right on."

by labor nrrd 2008-02-08 10:51AM | 0 recs
No one is going to riot

by labor nrrd 2008-02-08 10:34AM | 0 recs
Re: If you intend to riot in Denver over Superdele

The only thing I am more sick of than the threats and blackmail over superdelegates are the people who try to act like there are no threats and blackmail.

I expect ANY Democratic candidate to be statesmanlike regarding the outcome and to set a tone for their supporters to behave in a like fashion.  If Al Gore could deal with what happened to him in 2000, any Democrat ought to be able to deal with the far lesser injustice of superdelegates choosing to vote against them.

If Clinton has the lead in pledged delgates, and the superdelegates decide to back Obama instead, I will be the first person urging everyone to be unified and support the nominee.  That is a promise.

by Steve M 2008-02-08 12:54PM | 0 recs

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