SIENA: Obama down from 18 to 5 pt lead in NY

John Kerry won NY in 2004 by 18 points. Al Gore won NY in 2000 by 25 percentage points. NY's 31 electoral votes should be a sure thing.

NY is solidly Democratic, with 5.5 million registered Democrats and 2.9 million registered Republicans. But, as stated in the polling synopsis, "New York's overwhelming Democratic enrollment advantage is not reflected in how voters tell Siena they plan to vote."

Honestly, I'm not trying to be a concern troll. But seriously, what is happening here?!? I live in NYC and I do believe that Obama will carry NY State and its 31 electoral votes. But why is it so close, why is it tightening? There are still 13% undecideds, how does Obama hold them / keep them from swinging McCain?


http://www.siena.edu/level2col.aspx?menu _id=562&id=19322

Siena New York Poll:
With 50 Days Left, New York Is Far From True Blue
Obama's Lead Falls to 5 Points; Down From 18 Points in June
Obama Seen As Stronger Than McCain on 4 of 6 Issues;
Voters See McCain As Better Than Obama on 4 of 6 of Attributes

Seven weeks until Election Day, the race for President has tightened in New York, with Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) leading Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) 46-41 percent among likely voters, according to a new Siena (College) Research Institute poll released today.  Obama's five point lead is down from eight points in August, 13 points in July and 18 points in June, when he led 51-33 percent.  On a series of  six questions concerning current issues in the campaign - economy, Iraq, terrorism, health care, America's position in the world, and education - likely voters believe Obama will do a better job on four.  Conversely, out of six attributes voters often look at in choosing a candidate - compassion, patriotism, experience, intelligence, integrity, and leadership - New York's electorate gives the edge to McCain on four.

"Although New York has long been regarded as a `safe' state for the Democrats in presidential politics, likely voters in the Empire State are currently only giving Senator Obama a five-point cushion," said Steven Greenberg, spokesman for the Siena New York Poll.  "The conventions are over.  The running mates are set.  And as voters begin to focus on the race, New York's overwhelming Democratic enrollment advantage is not reflected in how voters tell Siena they plan to vote."

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34 Comments

He will carry NY by the same margin as Kerry, Gore

Wait for some more polls to come out. This one may be bunk or an outlier. Bad polls do happen.

by iohs2008 2008-09-15 08:20AM | 0 recs
Re: SIENA: Obama down from 18 to 5 pt lead in NY

If you don't want to be a concern troll, then don't post CONCERN troll diaries.

by venician 2008-09-15 08:21AM | 0 recs
Re: SIENA: Obama down from 18 to 5 pt lead in NY

That wasn't necessary.  The diarist asked a reasonable question, and deserves a reasonable answer. And that answer is, McCain isn't going to win New York.  This poll is very likely an outlier, and we'd need a lot more solid evidence before we should even give this a second thought.

by Denny Crane 2008-09-15 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: SIENA: Obama down from 18 to 5 pt lead in NY

So then the diarist should have done some homework and found out what's going on, instead he/she screams the sky is falling, the sky is falling and expects others to do the work for them.

by venician 2008-09-15 10:59AM | 0 recs
Re: SIENA: Obama down from 18 to 5 pt lead in NY

Poll is five days old. Also the internals of this poll make it somewhat suspect.

by jsfox 2008-09-15 08:25AM | 0 recs
I was just released today

It's getting a lot of play on NYC radio. That's where I heard it and honestly, I was shocked. I'd assumed that NY was solid Obama.

The effect on me is to take nothing for granted. This put a little fire under my butt today.

by twinmom 2008-09-15 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: I was just released today

The effect on me is to take nothing for granted. This put a little fire under my butt today.

Well if it did that the poll is good :)

by jsfox 2008-09-15 08:40AM | 0 recs
Re: I was just released today

NY is in the bag.

Stop worrying.

Roll another doobie.

No need to fret.

Obamatons say so.

by reebus 2008-09-15 01:25PM | 0 recs
Re: I was just released today

You're an angry little person aren't you?

by tired of dynasties 2008-09-15 04:08PM | 0 recs
Re: I was just released today

Damn right that I'm angry that we let the children's wing of the Democratic party lead us down a path of destruction.

We're going to lose this election, and the fault lies with the fascistic little children who used racial identity politics to ram an unqualified candidate down our throats.

I'm thinking of leaving this party.  Unless the fascists are purged from the ranks, I may very well do so.

I'm tired of being associated with this group of losers.  I'm starting to understand the likes of Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman.

by reebus 2008-09-15 05:08PM | 0 recs
Re: I was just released today

This word, fascists, I don't think it means what you think it means.

by tired of dynasties 2008-09-15 06:55PM | 0 recs
Dear Webster,

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

by mydailydrunk 2008-09-16 10:19AM | 0 recs
1 McCain point for use of "we"

and 1 each for Miller and Lieberman.

though doesn't it bother whoever hired you that you're not very good at it?  I mean, the whole point of this kind of trolling is that you're supposed to, like, ensnare unwary web-surfers who crusie through random MyDD diaries for information, and who will see your comments and think, wow, I really should vote McCain, reebus/rankles/roxfoxy/miles/philly is so right on, clearly a Democrat having second thoughts?  Doesn't it like slightly hurt the mission to be so fucking transparant?

I would take some time off, come back with a new sockpuppet, change your inimitable style, and try to do better.  Cause right now it's pretty weak, and you're really just embarrassing yourself and your candidate.

best,
Koan

by Koan 2008-09-17 03:45PM | 0 recs
Do us all a favor, and smoke it up Reebus....

The entire universe would celebrate if yA just went 420 and chilled OUT...

You're already a shoo-in for the "most annoying troll" in the end of the year MyDD awars....

oh, and, doobie? Yer gray hairs are showing....

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-15 06:05PM | 0 recs
Meh

Let's assume the worst case scenario (within reasonable boundaries).

So what if Obama wins NY by only five points?  Do you realize how much money it would cost McCain to actually contest New York?

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-09-15 08:32AM | 0 recs
McCain doesn't even have an office here

His campaign office for NY is in NJ.

Both candidates ARE currently running ads here. I've seen tons when at our place upstate bt even here in NYC media market, they are running. I didn't really understand why until I saw this poll.

Like I said, I do think Obama will win NY. But why would a state with such a overwhelming Democratic majority even be close at all?

by twinmom 2008-09-15 08:36AM | 0 recs
Re: SIENA: Obama down from 18 to 5 pt lead in NY

McCain won't win NY. Don't worry

by Hedda Lettuce1 2008-09-15 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: SIENA: Obama down from 18 to 5 pt lead in NY

Yeah, we might lose NY.  /snark

by lockewasright 2008-09-15 08:46AM | 0 recs
I don't get it

So many of you act so flippant and dismissive when faced with a poll which shows that a state which overwhelmingly leans Democratic and has a huge majority of Democratic voters is not solid, huge advantage Obama?

Sorry if my alarm at this poll is idiotic, but it seems to me that the Democratic candidate should be winning registered Democrats?

This isn't just about NY, Obama will win NY. But to me this poll shows an alarming disjoint in numbers of registered Democrats and Obama support here in NY.

Honestly, I would have assumed that the introduction of Palin would have caused solidly blue states to trend MORE toward Obama, not less. I don't get it at all?

I know this is just one poll. Perhaps it is a crappy poll or an outlier. But the same poll did show Obama leading by MUCH more 2-3 months ago.

by twinmom 2008-09-15 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: I don't get it

because Siena has a history of... well... a history of just not being very good.

That doesn't mean they're in the tank for anyone - it just means that historically, their methodology hasn't proven to be very good.

by zonk 2008-09-15 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: I don't get it

New York will not go red any time soon.  It has a solid track record of voting blue in presidential races.  It's ours as much as Alabama is the GOPs.

If we win it by 2% it's worth just as many EC votes as if we win it by 15%.  

by lockewasright 2008-09-15 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: I don't get it

NY is Hillary's home state, that may affect the likelihood of folks declaring for Obama in a poll...orneriness.  No one believes NY is anything but the bluest of states so there may be some game-playing here with pollsters.

by mady 2008-09-15 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: SIENA: Obama down from 18 to 5 pt lead in NY

I have a very hard time believing this is true.  I'd need to see more polls before I believe this for even a moment.

by Denny Crane 2008-09-15 08:55AM | 0 recs
Re: SIENA: Obama down from 18 to 5 pt lead in NY

Obama is leading in VA according to surveyusa ,

50 - 46...

Mccain should be a little more worried about that , Obama won't lose NY..

by lori 2008-09-15 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: SIENA: Obama down from 18 to 5 pt lead in NY

Pretty cool, huh?

It's nice to see an election where we have several avenues of attack and they are bye and large playing defense all over the place.

by lockewasright 2008-09-15 09:07AM | 0 recs
Re: SIENA: Obama down from 18 to 5 pt lead in NY

How is that possible?

These polls are all over the gol darn place.  I think I will ignore them all, keep canvassing, keep donating when I can afford it and just forget those stupid things....

by gil44 2008-09-15 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: SIENA: Obama down from 18 to 5 pt lead in NY

Best idea I've heard all day. I won't do it, of course, I'm completely hooked. But it's the best way to go. Wait till closer to the debates and check back. Meanwhile, assume we're tied and get calling or visiting.

by vcalzone 2008-09-15 09:23AM | 0 recs
Hope this convinces McCain to burn money in NYC/NJ

But I am not holding out hope.

BTW, SUSA has Obama up 4 points in VA.

by ann0nymous 2008-09-15 09:11AM | 0 recs
Siena polls are terrible and also GOP biased

Just look at their polling history this cycle. Siena polls are garbage.

by X Stryker 2008-09-15 10:00AM | 0 recs
McCain will do as will in NY...

as Brett Favre. You know, lots of hype, but he's out of his element, probably should have stayed retired, old body getting beat up needlessly.

On election night across the country, I envision GOPers paraphrasing the Jet fight song when talking about McCain/Palin:

S-U-C-K! Suck! Suck! Suck!

Seriously, does anybody know how good Siena's polls are? And even further, do any of us know if anyone's polls are worth a damn? Look at the two polls that came out about NC last week. It's either winnable and worth the effort...or it's a blowout.

by BenderRodriguez 2008-09-15 10:13AM | 0 recs
What do you recommend we do?

I read your diary, and it's all very passive... why not turn it into a call to action? Why not use this to motivate people? Not out of concern, but out of determination?

What do you suggest Obama supporters on the ground in NY do to keep the state with a healthy lead? Any ideas? Any particular parts of the state that need more attention? Is Obama losing some support upstate? What issues are important to voters there? How do we get Obama's policy information to them? What kinds of ads are playing in the state? Can they be better targeted?

Sorry, but "ZOMG!! Look at these polls! OMG!" diaries, besides being mostly cut and paste affairs, usually have little to no analysis, ideas, or direction. As such, the ensuing comment threads tend to turn into tepic bickering instead of constructive action.

Consider the diary you could have written, if you really wanted to change things.

by BobzCat 2008-09-15 10:31AM | 0 recs
I have no idea

That's what I was asking. Frankly, I don't know a single McCain supporter. I'd never have imagined that an overwhelmingly Democratic state like NY would poll anything but double digits for Obama. Like I said, I'd assumed that Palin being on the ticket would make NY more solid for Obama, not less.

Forgive me for being concerned. I'm a working mother / small business owner with young children, not a pollster or a campaign worker.

Most of the respondents here dismiss the Siena poll as useless. Hopefully that is correct. But I would hope that the Obama campaign doesn't just dismiss a poll because it isn't good news. This isn't just about NY, it is about whether Obama is holding the Democratic base. McCain has clearly solidified the GOP base with Palin.

by twinmom 2008-09-15 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: SIENA: Obama down from 18 to 5 pt lead in NY

The Siena Poll is garbage.  They previously had McCain UP by 2% in New York in March.  And because the electoral tracker on the main page only uses the most recent poll, and due to the fact that no one ever bothers to poll New York because they know Obama will win by 20 points, New York stayed shaded red for quite some time, even as North Dakota and Indiana remained blue.  Good times.

by Skaje 2008-09-15 10:52AM | 0 recs
Re: SIENA: Obama down from 18 to 5 pt lead in NY

Siena is a crappy poll - but go to mybarackobama.com and make some phone calls - it will make you feel better.

by NeciVelez 2008-09-15 10:54AM | 0 recs

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