Julian Assange Surrenders to Authorities


Julian Assange surrendered to British Police today. He called them and arranged to meet them at a train station. What is his crime?


Julian Assange was making love to a woman, and his condom broke.  She apparently said stop, and he apparently did not.  She testified that they were both having consensual sex.  However, after Wikileaks published stories that made a few people uncomfortable - and she finds out that he had another girlfriend - she goes to the authorities.

This does not seem to be the type of crime that requires an international hunting squad and doubleplus security. However, The United Kingdom is saying that it's ok to suspend due process, and hold someone without bond or bail - after they actually surrendered themselves to authority.  

It's 2010. Welcome to 1984.



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Blackmailing the free world?



Receiving stolen property?



He will probably be safer in jail...


The bad guys don't use due process they use bullets.

by donkeykong 2010-12-07 01:46PM | 0 recs
RE: Crime?

To explore what you are saying, let us suppose that there is a chemist who discovers that a major tobacco company is using arsenic as a doping agent in cigarettes. Let's say he wants the public to know the truth. And the corporation spends millions to silence the research.  Puts out false information.

So let's say the chemist writes up a report, based on that research - and leaks it.

And you have set up a website that says - ok, we're just going to vet your story and post it. Then what you're saying is... the person needs to pay the corporate using arsenic in cigarettes - in order that they may have the rights to publish the story for the public?

You know, Assange is not safer in Jail. He's safer in a free democracy and an open, transparent, effecient government.


I can't really tell you how to find the good guys. The bible says , that by their fruits you shall know them. What is the fallout of Wikileaks? A better informed public. A more transparent, and open government.   I don't see anything wrong with that.

Do you?

by Trey Rentz 2010-12-07 03:46PM | 0 recs
RE: Crime?

Trey thats BS.


There are no shocking misdeads uncovered.

The real life equivalent is lets say a tabacco company and a beer company were thinking about having a merger.  The leaker leaks that tobacco and beer are bad for you.  Everyone who can read knows this already.  But the leader also leaks all the lawyers papers calling the CEOs names.  The merger falls apart.  People lose money.  A rapist becomes a cult hero to the liberal progressives.


There is a time and a place for protecting wistle blowers.

Its when

1)  The secret is important

2)  The secret involves someone cheating from the established rules (note I did not say the law)

3)  The damage done by the secret being held must be greater than the damage of revealing the secret.


The torture leak was a good leak.  To my knowledge it wasn't wikileaks.

The spying on UN to me is BS and the rest is just crap designed to hurt the USA which is the only thing stopping russia from eating up eastern europe and china from eating up korea.


In society there are levels of secret.  The smarter you are the more you can find information.  This is largely by design.  The US government doesn't fear smart people realizing that Iran and North Korea have been cooperation on nuclear arms and thats what the syrian raid was all about.  But the US government does fear idiots like the tea party who may want to start WW3 over it.



by donkeykong 2010-12-09 05:33AM | 0 recs
Oh and I forgot

He raped a girl according to your own description.


When did you become a proponent of rape?

by donkeykong 2010-12-07 01:47PM | 0 recs
RE: Oh and I forgot

I am pretty sure that her story is fabricated. After all, she didn't actually charge him with anything until she found out he had a girlfriend.  

In general , rape is a non consensual offense. Given the fact that they were still involved with each other after the alleged offense occurred, and that she only filed a complaint with the authorities after a) about three weeks had passed, and b) she found out that there was another woman - my vote here is that this is more of a domestic dispute than it is a violation of someone's sexual identity and person.

But it makes sense that, as you yourself said in this comment - you forgot all about the rape charge. Alot of people apparently did, including the woman herself. She 'remembered' it , probably with the help of 30,000 dollars .


One thing I will offer: it is wrong to hurt women. And it is not a good idea to run from the law. Julian Assange called the police, and had them meet him at a train station. If he broke the law, he can meet authorities to discuss the matter.

But if you readily accept a false charge against a person, for exercising his right of free speech - and perhaps, because he espouses a form of investigative journalism that branches away from news media entertainment - and the 24 hour news cycle - then I will offer to you that you have become the vector of a sort of disease that spain suffered from in the late 1930's.

And ultimately, it developed into a full-on case of Ferdinand Franco.  The symptoms were pretty easy to diagnose if you were looking for them.

His political enemies kept disappearing. One died in a strange plane crash... the other... just died.  And still another , died. You see. Spain did not really have a free press at the time. No one asked the difficult questions.

That's how a fascist came into power. I'm not the most virtuous man, by a long shot. But I know when a man is speaking truth to power. And my version of democracy is not threatened by such things. Sure they're annoyances.... but.. then again... .

So are you.





by Trey Rentz 2010-12-07 03:38PM | 0 recs
RE: Oh and I forgot

Based on the story its probably not fabricated.  We can argue if it deserves jail time or not.

Man has sex with woman, woman says if condom breaks stop.  Man realizes condom is broken and doesn't stop.


Thats a crime in Sweden.

by donkeykong 2010-12-09 05:36AM | 0 recs
He is where the US Government wants him to be

His food is controlled by a government. His location is controlled by a government authority. He is not allowed to speak unless the government first screens everything he says, and he is now under constant surveillance.

So , Donkeykong - what side of this debate are you on. Liberal. Or conservative.

I am on the side of the debate where a misdemeanor offense like having a condom break on you is one in which they don't break down your door, and hold you prisoner without bond.

But then again, I am also the one who has figured out that corporations are centrally planned economies and their lobbyists - that control most of the GOP - are nothing more or less than a new form of government in which corporations get treated as people, are allowed to make shadow contributions to campaigns -

And can buy off the US House of Representatives for 3.87 billion dollars, and some change.

"November is a bad time of year for a new product rollout"



by Trey Rentz 2010-12-07 03:28PM | 0 recs
RE: He is where the US Government wants him to be

400,000,000 people got pushed around by about 20 over this.  Not to mention every other country involved.

Its very difficult to overstate how dangerous this is.  If <20 people created 9/11 and many hundreds of cells of 20 people may have a desire to hurt this country or a specific view etc.

If the few can push the many around it challenges civilization itself.

The biggest thing stopping those hundreds of cells of 20 people is the belief that the men in black helicopters will come get them if they do XYZ.

If you just let them do it you may find that the few will go to war against the many and that is against everything you think you believe in.

by donkeykong 2010-12-09 05:41AM | 0 recs
It's interesting today to note

Today, the Australian government stated that the U.S. should bear responsibility for their leaks - not Wikileaks. I believe that sentiment is correct. Someone in  the US Government did all that criminal stuff we're talking about, espionage, etc... that we don't like to see in the state department. Ok, fine.


But the fact that Wikileaks will not reveal their identity is just a simple and once even closely held tenet of journalism.


Wikileaks is nothing more or less than a website where people can go to leak important documents and not have to worry about being found out.


If the US tries to take action against WL , they're not fixing the problem. Someone from inside the State Dept. leaked the info. They should figure out who, and stop worrying about WL - because, after all, when China has the same embarassing things to write about and someone from China decides to leak docs to the net - WL will convey their information just as easily as they did ours.



Way to go Australia!


by Trey Rentz 2010-12-08 12:26PM | 0 recs
RE: It's interesting today to note

When someone from china decides to leak?

China's government is far more evil than the USA.

They would disappear the leakers family.

This brand new toy of yours only hurts the countries that value freedom...


This is the liberal delusion that they are fair and balanced while attacking the least evil entity and claiming that they will attack the more evil entity one day.


North Korea is the most evil government of consequence in the world.  When is wikileaks going to stop them?  Will they sneak inside?  Will those inside sneak out and then sneak back?


Wikileaks will do nothing to North Korea other than tip them off to which elements in China are not their allies.


Hurt America and leave North Korea unhurt, net result you are helping North Korea.

by donkeykong 2010-12-09 05:47AM | 0 recs
RE: It's interesting today to note

That assumes that the total amount of information on Wikileaks is gated, controlled, and constant. It's not. It posts whatever is submitted.

North Korea is such a mess, and it is so incredibly dangerous for dissidents to speak out there - that they will need a bona fide beacon in order to find their way to WL and be assured that no one will be monitoring or arresting them for posting their stories.  It is not surprising, really, if you think about it - that America was the first country to really do a core dump - let's face it, we're still fairly open and almost a democracy.

When the world learns that you can use Wikileaks safely, there will be more content and North Korea will have its day. I was very surprised to find its staunch supporter, China, was actually upset that it was treating its citizens so poorly and behaving so belligerently.  That in and of itself was enough to strengthen South Korea and one day hopefully soon we will hear more.


Meanwhile, Julian Assange has now been freed on bond. If you think about it, this is a good thing. Considering that there are no formal charges brought against him in any court, and he surrendered himself voluntarily.

I am glad that the UK finally decided that denying bond and holding in arrest,  an individual who has not been charged with any crime - is not quite the kind of law that shows the more endangered countries of the world that democracy really works.

More time to them.


by Trey Rentz 2010-12-14 11:58AM | 0 recs


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