Question about 50 State Stategy

Could proponents of the 50 state strategy answer Rahm Emanuel's question: Is the rate of spending at the DNC and the investment of money and resources in states without competitive 2006 races worth the possible failure to win back the House and Senate? He argues that Democrats running in 2006 need to have as much get-out-the-vote and television support as possible, and that the DNC under Howard Dean does not appear equipped to provide that support. I would welcome, and like to be able to quote, serious answers to this question. Tom Edsall, Washington Post.

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Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

First, thanks for dropping by Tom.

Now on to my views on this subject.  To give it a baseball analogy, Rahm Emanuel at this point is playing for one run in the third inning.  Bunting the runners along, calling the hit-and-run. Howard Dean is playing for the big inning.  There is a lot of research on this (at least for baseball).  Earl Weaver's three-run homer/big inning strategy scores more runs than the cautious old-fashioned Gene Mauch version.  Of course, late in the game, Weaver would go for one.  That strategy is not appropriate for May.  Use it in October and November.

A second point, of course, is that Rahm has different donors and a different constituency.  The people donating to him have short-term objectives.  The people donating to the DNC (and, yes, to Howard Dean) have deliberately endorsed the fifty state strategy.  Changing courses now is essentially selling out your supporters.  And, according to Ruy Texeira, that is exactly what is hurting Democrats nationally.

Third, I believe that even in the short run, the fifty state strategy is working.  

by David Kowalski 2006-05-13 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Strategy

Proponents of the 50-state strategy could answer Rahm Emanuel's question by pointing to the phenomenal success of using the Internet for fundraising by Howard Dean and John Kerry during their presidential campaigns. All the Democrats need is an inspirational message!

My suggestion for such an inspirational message is that the primary mission of the Democratic Party for the 2006 elections should be to fix our broken U.S. political system: when different people placed in the same system tend to produce similar results, the problem is not the people but rather the "system."  As Norm Ornstein has diagnosed, it is bad process that has led to bad behavior and bad policy; what is desperately now needed are good processes that can lead to good behavior and good policies. And as David Brooks has repeatedly pointed out, the American people's faith and confidence in the institutions of government are now badly shaken.

In the war rooms of the Democratic Party, there should be the sign "It's the system stupid!" For the American people to open their wallets in support of the Democratic Party, they need an inspiration message (not just a litany of first 100-days pet policy initiatives). The leaders of the Democrat Party needs to describe how they will fix our broken U.S. political system such that the common good is pursued for the benefit of all Americans--Democrats, Republicans and Independents. In short, the leaders of the Democratic Party need to tell the American people how they will fundamentally change the way Washington works!

by INTP 2006-05-13 08:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

Could defenders of Rahm Emanuel answer my question: is Emanuel's insistence on using a DLC message and strategy that is short-sighted and fails to inspire worth the risk of both failing to capitalize upon this year's potential while putting Democrats in worse position over the long haul?

by Bob Brigham 2006-05-13 08:57AM | 0 recs
Political scientists do the math

Strongly urge you to contact Jonathan Krasno http://www.binghamton.edu/polsci/people/ krasno.html of Binghampton and Donald Green http://www.yale.edu/polisci/people/dgree n.html of Yale.

Ruy Teixiera  http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorityweb log.com/donkeyrising/archives/001287.php provides exerpts from their essay that explains the math behind the 50 state strategy:

Because of diminishing returns, we know that a large investment in an expensive race will bring few votes, while a small investment in a cheaper race may bring many. Parties shy away from the latter on the grounds that hopeless candidates are hopeless causes. But the math says different. Suppose that we could increase the odds of twenty candidates from 5 to 10 percent for the same cost of helping two candidates with 45 percent chances get to 50 percent. By helping the twenty hapless candidates, we would increase the expected number of victories from 20 x 0.05 = 1 to 20 x 0.10 = 2. By helping the well-heeled candidates, we would increase the expected number of victories from 2 x .45 = 0.90 to 2 x .50 = 1. The first investment portfolio has an expected return of 1 additional victory, while the second one is just one-tenth of an additional victory.

That is a fairly realistic scenario. Seventy challengers in 2004 spent between $100,000 to $500,000, and 19 of them won at least 40 percent of the vote. Boosting their spending by as little as $50,000 or $100,000 would have a discernable effect on their chances, while increasing expenditures by $500,000 in an expensive race would likely have little effect. Parties ignore long shots because viewed individually no single candidate has a particularly good chance of winning. But as a group, long shots are ripe with possibility because of their numbers and because their low spending gives parties a chance to influence their chances. Targeting overlooks many potential winners....

The bottom line is that targeting does not help parties win elections. Instead, it impels them into high-spending races where the value of their contributions is minimal. The narrow group of targeted contests excludes many other elections where they have a distinct, albeit distant, chance of winning.


by moses 2006-05-13 09:07AM | 0 recs
Sounds good but...

I'd be ultra-reluctant to get in the ring with a couple of polisci profs over the math of politics.

But I sense (no more) some sort of fallacy in their reasoning - something like a Zeno's Paradox.

After all, a betting strategy of consistently spreading your dough among a lot of long-shots rather than backing big a few nags at short odds would surely be a loser? (I'm not a betting man, either...)

I assume that Krasno and Green's paper includes analysis of actual campaigns that tests their theory; I'd rather like to see that before judging.

(Google Scholar doesn't show any papers published by Krasno this year or last: I assume it's still a draft.)

by skeptic06 2006-05-13 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Sounds good but...

Actually- I have a different context for understanding the numbers. What the above poster wrote about investing in long shots is exactly what movie studios do when investing in films. In fact, wall street says that for every 20 pictures made, one will make enough money to pay for the other 19. It doesn't matter which 20, or how many losers you choose. I see this as being similar. The numbers are about returns on investment, not any one particular winner or loser. It's actually less of gamble than betting on just one. Think of it terms of spreading your risk or investing in a stock portfollio. The aggressive investor will choose higher, more aggressive investing, while the conservative investor will choose to spread risk across a portfollio of stocks. Rather than betting or guessing which of the 20 films, or which of the stocks will make it, one bets a little bit in them all with the understanding that overall one beats the odds.

The other advantage is, of course, long term. It's not an investment in 2006, but achieving a presence for 2008, 2010 and onwards. To build a farm team that may not win this time, but will not be so new to politics that they can't run for other races, and indeed run against in the district this time with higher name recognition (one of the twin advantagess any candidate can have - the other being money).

by bruh21 2006-05-14 08:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Political scientists do the math

The major, yawning chasm in this argument is that 40% is a long, long, long ways from 50% and victory.   Those 19 challengers who spent less than $500k and got to 40 were, with some exceptions, very far from actually winning the seat. Remember, 40% is a 20 point loss. To use a not-quite-exact analogy, no presidential candidate has EVER lost by that much. In fact it's a landslide. If you look at some of the most GOP-friendly (or Dem-friendly) House seats in the country, most of them have "normal" opposition performance of around 40%. To put it another way, that last 10% is virtually impossible to get. This is not completely intuitive, but if you watch politics for long enough you'll get it. The problem is that once you get to the normal Dem performance in a GOP district, the 10% (or 20,000 or so) votes you still need are all pretty strongly identified with the bad guys. It's just incredibly hard to swing that many of them.

So if we followed your professor's strategy and bumped up the resources available to those 19 candidates, perhaps one or two might win. But we know who those 1 or 2 are already, and they should be on our targets list no matter how narrowly we are spreading the wealth.

Bottom line: Yes, we absolutely can spend $50-100k in a race like this and bump someone up from 40% to maybe 43%, 45% if we're really good. But to get to 50% takes overwhelming force, which in politics means a helluva lot more money than a hundred grand.

Now, in a "massive change" election, all bets might be off. I'm not convinced we're there yet (we're relying on too high an indie turnout, which is possible but not a good bet historically).

by ColoDem 2006-05-14 01:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Political scientists do the math

One more way to explain this (for your math prof friend): The relationship of effot and money to votes is not linear. In fact, the slope gets very very steep the closer you get to 50% in an unfriendly district. That's the definition of unfriendly district (it's not just bad luck!).

by ColoDem 2006-05-14 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Political scientists do the math

Take that back, I guess one or two presidential candidates HAVE lost by 20 points, but you get my point.

by ColoDem 2006-05-14 07:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

How much has putting DNC staffers on the ground in the states actually cost?  I've seen stories that the DNC has spent $60,000,000 in the last 15 months, or something like that, but how much has been spent on staffing the states?  

by budwina 2006-05-13 09:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

If they spent all that on staffers, I've got the wrong job!!!

by ColoDem 2006-05-14 01:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

"Is the rate of spending at the DNC and the investment of money and resources in states without competitive 2006 races worth the possible failure to win back the House and Senate?"

Hmmm...

First, the question is a false one. It is not necessarily either or in result nor in strategy.

Second, the fact that Rahm and those of a like mind have not had a 50-state, every district strategy is exactly why we are in this mess to begin with.

Can Rahm explain why those states are without competitive 2006 races? Probably but I doubt I'd agree with his answer.

There is an old adage that says if you keep doing what you've been doing you'll keep getting the results you've been getting.

We won't be competitive in those states and districts until we spend some time, money, and effort getting competitive in those districts.

Rahm and the DCCC have a particular, short-term mission. It is an important one and I want to see them succeed. Schumer and the DSCC have a specific, short-term mission. It is an important one and I want to see them succeed.

I believe partially because of Rahm's efforts and partially despite his efforts we will succeed in taking back the House this year.

I believe that despipte Schumer's fantastic fund raising efforts we will fail to take back the Senate because he is too narrowly focused and hasn't put enough effort into putting enough states into play.

The DNC under Howard Dean has a specific, long-term mission. It is the mission it should have had all along but has not for many years now.

The DNC is THE PARTY. The DCCC and the DSCC are wings of the House and Senate Democrats. They are not THE PARTY. It is not their job to do party building. It IS the job of the DNC to do party building and under Howard Dean they are doing it.

We need strong party organizations in every state in order to be able to put every district, every senate seat, every governership, every state legislature, every county seat, every town seat in play. No democrat anywhere should be abandoned.

The DNC's mission should not, must not be co-opted by the short-term missions of the House and Senate... as important as their missions are. Remaining focused only on the short term is a losing proposition and part of what got us into this mess to begin with.

Peace,

Andrew C. White
Demcoracy for the Hudson-Mohawk Region President
Stephentown (NY) Democratic Committee Chair

by Andrew C White 2006-05-13 10:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

Thank you Andrew.  An excellent explanation.

by Demo Dan in Dayton 2006-05-13 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

I feel Dr Dean has the right vision, we need to rebuild the DNC in all 50 states, not just the "blue" ones, in my state of South Carolina, the Republicans are solidly entrenched, why, abdication of the DNC, in a state that has lost almost all of it's mills, a large military population where they are being screwed over by the republicans with  the  VDBC Commission, VA budget holds, trying to offset VA compensation by SSD payments, PTSD not being treated by DOD, forget the promise, who remembers A Promise Made Is A Promise Kept? The only promise they are keeping is to keep the tax cuts for millionaire's at the expense of our nations veterans and active duty members. What party is now the best for military families the Democrats of course, the republicans have proved it's all lip service. Go Dr Dean, keep seeing the "big picture".  Mike Bailey Lexington SC

by testvet1974 2006-05-13 11:37AM | 0 recs
I Posted This Comment ...

in response to a dissent of sorts in my diary about Dean's 50 state strategy to better illustrate why I believe in what Dean is doing:

A friend of mine at one point found himself leading a canvassing team in Ohio in '04. As he put it to me, "what the hell did I know about Ohio?" He'd never lived there, worked there or done anything there. Yet because the state party was weak he found himself leading a group of young twenty somethings who also knew nothing about the state or the specific neighborhood they were in. They were all good and earnest people but they had no chance against the GOP neighborhood machine when combined with their elecion night chicanery in the state.

Dean is saying, no more of that shit. We're going to build up the state parties with precinct captains who actually know the neighbors they're canvassing. That is the mechanism of success. The human touch triumphs the hi tech in politics. It always has and always will.

by Intrepid Liberal Journal 2006-05-13 11:45AM | 0 recs
The Question In Context

I don't see how you can take this question out of context.  Emanuel's cautious, reactively-targetted money-spending approach is wedded to his cautious, reactively-targetted ("message? what message?") message approach.  Somebody needs to tell Emanuel that triangulation is dead.  And spending more money on it won't do the Lazarus thing.

George Lakoff nailed it in Don't Think of An Elephant:

A third mistake is this: There is a metaphor that political campaigns are marketing campaigns where the candidate is the product and the candidate's positions on issues are the features and qualities of the product.

This leads to the conclusion that polling should determine which issues a candidate should run on. Here's a list of issues. Which show the highest degree of support for a candidate's position? If it's prescription drugs, 78 percent, you run on a platform featuring prescription drugs. Is it keeping social security? You run on a platform featuring social security. You make a list of the top issues, and those are the issues you run on.

In contrast to this wishy-washy approach, the GOP wins by clearly standing for something. As a result, even when they become very unpopular--as they are now--the Democrats have a hard time capitalizing on it, because it's not clear what they would do differently.

This sort of market-driven, run-to-the-middle approach is surely at least partly responsible for the gap I pointed to in my diary comparing the relatively lackluster generic ballot contest with other indicators, such as presidential approval, congressional approval and right track/wrong direction, since last September.

Emanuel would be in a much stronger position to make his argument against Dean if he had not worked so hard to squash passionate grassroots candidates such as Christine Cegalis.  A good crop of truly passionate candidates from the grassroots, nurtured by national money would bode well for recapturing the House with a decent majority, and the fighting spirit to actually accomplish something.  That would significantly up the level of benefit for Emanuel's approach, which would affect the entire calculus.

But since the expected benefit from his approach is so low--(can anyone tell me what results we're supposed to expect if the Dems win the House under Emanuel's tutelage?)--Dean's strategy is not even close to be questionable.  Of course, I hope that the Dems do win the House back this November, and with enough votes and enough fire that they go far beyond what Emanuel's pinched vision will allow.  But if the Dems win in November, I fully expect that people like me will be fighting tooth and nail against his pernicious triangulating instincts.

The only way to win in the long run is to articulate a vision.  And to do that with confidence, you need a support system.  Dean is focused on building that support system.  With the current crop of Beltway Democrats running away from any hint of vision--even with Bush now at 29%--Dean represents the only plausible game in town.

by Paul Rosenberg 2006-05-13 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: The Question In Context

can anyone tell me what results we're supposed to expect if the Dems win the House under Emanuel's tutelage?

I'm kinda curious myself about that.

When Chris (or was it Matt?) asked for suggestions for Dem policies for the upcoming Congress, the replies he got would have taxed the ability to deliver of the Democratic Party of Fairyland.

Whereas, a Dem-controlled 110th House, with the GOP onslaught to be expected, will be nasty, brutish and - let's face it, quite possibly - short (in the sense of Dem control lasting more than just the one Congress).

Lefty expectations need to managed - I'd say, managed sharply downwards - over the next few months. But - more importantly - the Dem leadership need to have a plan for operating a Dem-controlled House. (I'm not convinced they have one.)

by skeptic06 2006-05-13 12:50PM | 0 recs
Re: The Question In Context

We will control the Chairmanships under Speaker Pelosi; we will write the budgets; we will control, start and stop the investigations; we will have The People's Wheel and Steer much of the Ship!

We can begin to dismantle the damage done to our Country!

We can finally be the 'Balance" that has been missing since Bush took office.

And the DCCC, with is only an campaign organization, will have nothing to do with running the House. Doesn't now, never has, never will. That's the job of House Leadership...The Speaker.

It's that simple.

by BigDog 2006-05-13 12:59PM | 0 recs
Re: The Question In Context

Good luck with that!

Of course, it may just be that the GOP implodes under the weight of prosecutions, scandals, electoral losses and what have you.

More likely, it won't. They'll salve their pride with an all out guerilla war, along the lines of Gingrich's in the 103rd.

Bolstered by the Bush veto and - if they lose the Senate as well - the filibuster, they'll ensure that only legislation they can stomach will pass.

As for investigations, I'd not set too much store by those. Certainly, the WH will strenuously obstruct with executive privilege suits. But they'll also paint Dem zeal as vindictive, hearings as show trials for electoral purposes, the whole operation as an abuse of process.

Plus - how long will the weaker Dem brethren (and not just one or two Cuellars) hold out against pressure from constituents and funders (orchestrated by GOP and their helpers, natch) to bring the era of partisan warfare to an end? (Freshmen (of whom we hope there will be many) might be disproportionately susceptible.)

The harder the Dem leadership push the investigatory process, the bigger the stakes: the GOP will clearly be looking for an early failure of some kind to bring the whole process into disrepute.

And - the Dem base won't appreciate having been led up to the top of the hill, Grand Old Duke of York-style, only to be led right down again.

The more valuable prize is retaining control in 08. The GOP aim will be a rerun of the 80th (with the parties reversed, of course); the 08 Congressional campaign a repeat of the Do Nothing Congress line employed by Truman to such great effect in 48. It'll be a tough line to beat.

It's true, as you say, that Rahmbo is only DCCC chair right now.

But I'd not, if I were the House Dem party, foreclose the possibility that the party choice for Speaker in the 110th will not be Pelosi.

Perhaps Rahmbo might fancy running...

by skeptic06 2006-05-13 02:17PM | 0 recs
In Case You Didn't Notice

Rahm Emanuel is acting like much, much more than just an uber campaign manager.  What's true on paper and what's true in the real world are two different things.

But I hope you're right.  I hope enough of the older hands have enough power to re-establish the relative wisdom of how the House was run pre-Gingrich.  Maybe even (gasp!) bring back the Office of Technology Assessment.  Reality-based legislating--what a concept!

by Paul Rosenberg 2006-05-13 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: In Case You Didn't Notice

Actually he's not, Paul. I happen to be associated with two people DEEPLY involved with DCCC backed races and Rahm is NOT acting like any sort of manager.

Period.

Sorry. From first hand knowledge you are incorrect.

by BigDog 2006-05-14 11:40AM | 0 recs
Your friends certainly aren't working for

Tammy Duckworth then! Without Rahm she wouldn't have a campaign. In fact, without him she wouldn't have even gotten on the ballot.

by Jim in Chicago 2006-05-15 02:08AM | 0 recs
Re: The Question In Context

Your comments are well taken, but if you think the GOP doesn't poll and decide what to say based on what the poll says, you're crazy.

by ColoDem 2006-05-14 01:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

There can't be more than a few states left in this country that have a majority of people that support Bush.

If we were better organized across the country, we might be talking about a complete trouncing this fall of the Republicans who rubberstamp Bush's policies, no matter how obnoxious or illegal.

But we're not. If we're lucky we'll squeak by and take over one house of Congress and hold onto it.

That's the reality this year.

But it doesn't have to be the reality looking forward.

by clawed 2006-05-13 12:27PM | 0 recs
Xposting my response from Dkos.

Because by the time I finished the comments were approaching the 400 mark...

"And when did you stop beating your wife, Mr. Rahm?"

Okay, I understand that's not the kind of response you're looking for here.  However, Representative Rahm's question is phrased in such a way that it doesn't seem any satisfactory answer (other than capitulating and opening up the DNC wallet) can be fashioned.

So, I'm going to tell you a little story from 2004 instead.

I was home visiting my folks, and talking about politics with my Dad. My Dad is a smart man, a Democrat, and keeps pretty well informed via TV and his local print news.

We began talking about John Kerry, and my father said he didn't know if Kerry "had the guts" to defeat Bush. Astonished, I reminded my father we were talking about a decorated Viet Nam War   who had served in the Senate for many years.

Didn't mean a thing to him.  What stuck in his mind was the anemic response of the Kerry campaign to the Swift Boat attacks, and the general waffling air of the Democratic Party.

My father lives in the bluest county of a state with a popular Democratic governor. Yet his impression of the national Democrats they were too craven to defend themselves against nasty political attacks. What confidence could he have that they would fight for the things that mattered to him?

Because I had spent a lot of time reading about the ins and outs of what the Democrats and the Republicans had been doing- (or example, voter registration fraud in his own state that he hadn't heard a whisper of in his local media), I was able  to turn his perceptions largely around.  He ended up not only voting for Kerry, but contributing to the GOTV efforts and volunteering to help bring people to the polls on election day. He was still grumbling about anemic Dems, but he did it.

This is one small example, but it's an example that is repeated many times on the Republican side in every single state-including the ones considered blue.

In too many states, there is no one countering that view of "spineless" Democrats. It is not something that will be countered soon by traditional media, whether from inertia or a desire to protect "access journalism".

It can only be countered on the ground by an active and engaged Democratic grassroots in every state.  That is the mandate the DNC gave Howard Dean on his election, and that is the promise he is following through on.

I'm under no illusion that the money supplied to the states is all being handled wisely.  Guardians of the old way of doing things are sometimes reluctant to really change. That's where the new blood comes in, and it takes some time to gain trust and influence. And some noses will certainly be picked.  (Though I'm not sure anyone in the DC Consultocracy has a whole lot of leeway to criticize on that score. They often open their mouths and sound like the most parochial of yokels served au jus.)

But before you can win, you have to fight. And people have to see that you've got fight in you.  It's called leadership.

Doing that will pay dividends that are not currently being calculated in Mr. Rahm's reckoning, I think.

And, if the DCCC is so concerned about money, what's happening to follow up on the dues in arrears from Congressional incumbents?   Seems like they'd have an interest in gaining the majority this November.

I'd like to see a list keep publically of those in arrears currently.  Then, I'll think about sending some of my hard earned cash the DCCC's way.


by boadicea 2006-05-13 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Xposting my response from Dkos.

And I just realized I reversed Rep Emanuel's first and last names.

Blarrrrrgh. Sorry.

by boadicea 2006-05-13 06:20PM | 0 recs
Re: One Longwinded Answer

I agree that the analysis required here is complex, and I've not seen it attempted in a long-form way.

The underlying implication from Rahm Emmanuel is that this is a one-time opportunity to retake the House and if we miss this opportunity, we may not get another.

I think that that is a natural inference of Emanuel's apparent strategy - as well as setting up Dean for the fall if November is a bust, as you suggest.

It's surely undeniable that in many precincts and counties, the Dem machinery is bust. And that no sustained success at all levels of government will be possible without making that right.

But I don't follow how a slim victory in November (in the House, say) will be more than a One Congress Wonder unless it's underpinned by renewal in the precincts and counties.

In fact, it may be preferable for the Dems not to win this year - and suffer deprival of instant ya-yas - if (BIG if!) that leads to more concentration of effort on lower level rebuilding.

One thing is on the Dems' side: when the GOP lost their control of Congress in 1930/32, they were thoroughly marmalized (with further huge losses in 34 and 36).

The Dems, ever since 94, have managed to keep things reasonably tight. (OK, there's an increased incumbency premium now. But the Dems are in nowhere near as bad shape as the GOP were when they won in 46.)

Overall - I'd not be getting my panties in a bunch right now...

by skeptic06 2006-05-13 12:35PM | 0 recs
Re: One Longwinded Answer

Yeah I think it's really important to rebuild the local atrophied parties. I really don't think people realize just how out of touch the party had become with people. Probably because most people on sites like these feel very connected to the party. But these are not most people. How many of us have been canvassed by someone from the local precinct committee? How many of us got a phone call on election day? These are the things that need to be rebuilt so that people:
A. know that the Democratic party is not just the advertisements they see on TV 3 months before every major election.

B. Know what the party stands for, in the words of people from the party, not what is filtered through the RNM, or the MSM.

C. Feel a sense of personal connection to the Party that will motivate people to the polls.

I really really really want to win this november. But if we don't then I'm not too worried because that will mean even more anger and frustration built up towards ALL republicans in 2008. If we lose in 2006, then we will definately win the presidency in 2008.  

by adamterando 2006-05-13 05:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

Could proponents of the 50 state strategy answer Rahm Emanuel's question: Is the rate of spending at the DNC and the investment of money and resources in states without competitive 2006 races worth the possible failure to win back the House and Senate?

I'd like to counter with another question: Should the primary goal of the Democratic Party be winning elections or governing the country?

While it's true that you can't govern if you don't win, plans need to be made for after Election Day. A Democratic Senate would not rule only over the states which were wise enough to send Democratic senators to Washington-- it would be in charge of all states. If the next Speaker of the House is Nancy Pelosi, her decisions will impact the entire country, not just the San Francisco-area district she represents. If the next occupant of the White House is a Democrat, he will be President of the United States, not just President of the Blue States.

A governing power earns its legitimacy by representing all the people. Rep. Emanuel could very well hold the key to winning an election, but what good will that do us if entire regions of the country feel totally unrepresented? Any victory will be short-lived. A Democrat in Utah or Wyoming might not normally have much of a chance, but running strong candidates sends the message that in power, the Democratic Party will consider their interests as well.

by Fitzy 2006-05-13 12:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

I'm pretty sure that the United States is the only democracy in the developed world where the parties don't run a candidate in every district, in every election.  In Canada and Europe its taken for granted that the parties will compete in every district, which means at least having a candidate.

There are a number of reasons why the US is out of step here.  The main one is the lack of spending limits on elections, which leads to superlong, expensive campaigns.  Nominating candidates around six months before election day, and having separate primary elections doesn't help, they extend the campaign season to almost a year.  It means you have to  quit your job to make even a token run for office.  its hard to find candidates for every district in that environment.

The other reason is that local parties are often extraordinarily weak on the ground.  They can't identify new political talent, can't offer any meaningful support for candidates, and sometimes make under the table deals with the other party not to challenge incumbents or to make sure that any challenges are really weak.

This is obviously bad for our democracy, but it also means that there will be a considerable advantage to the first party that is able to break the paradigm and to compete everywhere.  Such a party will win races it isn't supposed to.

Essentially Dean is trying to strengthen the local parties, which is the first step towards making the Democrats competitive everywhere.  The biggest problem with his strategy is that it doesn't address the institutional reason why not every election is contested (unlimited spending and campaigns that go on too long), which would have to be fixed by legislation.  Also, its a long term strategy and it really is imperative for the Democrats to take back the House this year.  However, even with these problems, what Dean is doing is very necessary.

by Michels 2006-05-13 12:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

I agree.

In fact, I feel vastly more confident about opining on Dean's strategy (not its implementation, mind you, on which we need much more info to judge) that on Rahmbo's.

Even if the Dems don't win the Congress back to back for another twenty years, the Dean strategy is right. Even if it only bore fruit at the state and levels during that period, that would be a huge benefit in itself.

And I cannot for the life of me think how the Dems could hope to sustain an extended period of Congressional control without the underpinning of a deep and soundly based local party structure.

by skeptic06 2006-05-13 02:28PM | 0 recs
Example: Anne Dicker & Philly casino racket

Anne Dicker running for state rep in the 175th District against a scandalous casino deal that will blight her district - not to mention our own Chris running for PA State Committeeman.

And what about the Dover, PA school board?

These local and state officials have (collectively) a huge power to do good or harm; organizing local parties is not just a means to Congressional or presidential glory: all levels of government need serving by the best people available.

by skeptic06 2006-05-13 03:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

I would welcome, and like to be able to quote, serious answers to this question.

I still think both places have a pro-Dean bias but here you will get serious dialogue.

I think this is a better place than Dkos for real discussion, although this one needs to happen within Party leadership, and that's why this answer is in both places.

On the subject, I think there are competing interests that the Democratic Party has not clarified.

A. Is winning The House, the most likely object, the top priority or is it worth spending millions in the same time cycle to begin the effort to spread the Party more effectively in places it has been ineffective?

B. The Party, as a functioning organization, has set up three competing organizations;

  • B1 The DCCC Charged with winning The House
  • B2 The DSCC Charged with winning The Senate
  • B3 The DNC not charged with, but under the leadership of Gov. Dean, choosing the role of spreading the Party in the same 2006 Election Cycle.

As I said yesterday in another thread, I think all are headed in the same direction. It is a matter of tactics and timing. It is a legitimate discussion that should be held at the highest levels of the Party.

Should we be deploying our resources, in this atmosphere which gives us the best chance in 15 years or more, to win back The House and curb the President or should we immediately begin the very necessary step of deploying assets into the field to build the Party at substantial cost?

It's a legitimate discussion.

As someone who comes down every time on the side of 'Practical Politics', both avenues are necesary and I think Gov. Dean has done a great job. I only wish he had waited until after the 2006 elections.

Why? Because taking back the House this time means defending our Constitution which I fear is truly in danger.

by BigDog 2006-05-13 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

I agree with almost everything you said except for one point.

If Dean had waited, I think he'd have been accused (rightly) of breaking his promise. Moreover, if you are ever going to start long-range planning, I think it has to be with a midterm cycle, because during a presidential cycle, there is just too much pressure on the DNC to make the presidential race its sole focus.

Also, in Feb. 2005, I don't think anyone suspected that Bush would be at 29% in fifteen months, and that there would be a wind at the Dems' backs.

by DavidNYC 2006-05-13 10:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

i As someone who comes down every time on the side of 'Practical Politics', both avenues are necesary and I think Gov. Dean has done a great job. I only wish he had waited until after the 2006 elections. Why? Because taking back the House this time means defending our Constitution which I fear is truly in danger.

The trouble with that is, after the 2006 election, taking back the WH will be the most important thing in the world for Democrats. And by building infrastructure Dean is also helping to prepare Democrats for that task.

When it comes to reform (or improvement) there's always a reason to kick the can down the road.

However, I firmly believe that Dean's strategy will win more seats this year than the Emmanuel/Schumer strategy of abandonment.

by Sitkah 2006-05-14 10:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

I posted a brief answer on Daily Kos, but I think my comments might be lost on what is a rather lengthy thread at this point, so I think I'll expound a little bit, because the question has been turning in my mind since I first responded and I think the question deserves a more detailed response than I gave previously.

First, having a respected reporter posting and asking questions is great; I hope the lesson learned is that there is a lot of wisdom here outside the Beltway among people who are relative outsiders and this represents the beginning of a good working dialogue between working reporters and activists.

Rahm Emanuel's concern is understandable and reasonable given his position.  I think we all wish him well and want him to succeed this election cycle.  Nevertheless, I ultimately have come to the conclusion that his question represents an essentially false dichotomy typical of the people inside the Beltway.  And I'm not bashing the pros inside the Beltway because I've been one, albeit one who has become convnced that our party is badly in need of some fresh thinking and new ways of doing business.  

Essentially, the assumption behind Rahm's question is that the size of the resource pie is fixed.  That thesis is outdated.

The rationale behind the 50 state strategy is oriented toward long-term party building, but I think the circumstances of the 2006 election cycle make it a sound strategy in the short term as well, given the abysmal public approval ratings of the GOP Congress.  What we are doing is likely to expand the number of potentially competitive seats which does a couple of things.  First and foremost, it puts the Republicans on the defensive in places where they did not expect to be.  We may not win a lot of these races, but we'll make them work for it in a way they were not expecting to.  Take a look at the polls in the Wyoming at-large seat; the Democrat is within striking distance of the incumbent at this point in time.  Now, we may not win that one -- and I'd be awfully surprised if we did -- but that one race means there's an incumbent who will have to spend his money and time on his own race rather than someone else's.  And, it's one more race that the GOP has to keep an eye on.  There is enough discontent with incumbents that the odds are good we'll see a few more surprises in 2006 -- unexpectedly competitive races for Republican incumbents.  Any race where we can put the GOP on the defensive is a diversion of resources from the expected competitive races.

Where I think the false choice presented by the question exists is that the fixed resource pie model has less validity now than it did in years past, as shown by the Internet fundraising of the DNC, Howard Dean and John Kerry.  My challenge to Rahm Emanuel and the DCCC is to look at the demonstrated potential of small donor Internet fundraising and make use of it.  In other words, call our bluff.  Give us a list of 35 or so really winnable races in mid September and let us donate the money for your GOTV and media buys.  And this where the 50 state strategy comes full circle, because while you may have Democrats stuck in hopeless districts in the Deep South, they can make a difference for people like Charlie Wilson in Ohio's 6th.  This is what a truly national party is capable of, and GOP has been doing for years.  Now, there are a lot of conservative Democrats with whom I might not see eye to eye with on a lot of things but if a few bucks helps them win and ensures a Democratic takeover, I'd consider that a pretty good investment of my money.  In other words, Rahm, stop worrying about the money -- it will come in if you maneuver your candidates into a competitive position come this fall.  In the meantime, the DNC is doing the long term work we need to become the national party we need to be.  We'll make some gains in state houses as well, which is good for the long-term interests of the DCCC as well.  

I recognize that this represents a big departure from the way the DCCC has done business over the years and is definitely a threat to the old way of doing business.  Nevertheless, a look at the record since 1994 ought to convince us that it is time to look beyond the tried and failed.

The idea that this is an either/or proposition between winning the House or Senate and pursuing a 50 state strategy for the DNC is simply mistaken.  In 2006, we can, and should, try to do both.

by mattinla 2006-05-13 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

This is a really insightful post!

Tom Friedman likes to talk about how globalization (particularly the Internet) has "flattened" the earth.

Again with the Internet, now all local races have become nationalized--the fundraising landscape has also been "flattened."

What this says is that in place of party bosses like Rahm Emanuel who would like to be the "decider" for allocating resources, the netroots will. Wow, that's a dramatic shift in power!

by INTP 2006-05-14 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

Thanks for the compliment.  I hadn't considered the Friedman "flattening" analogy, but it is quite insightful and quite correct.  This flattening also has a lot of potential for greater transparency in the consulting business as potential donors scrutinize who's doing the race and what the compensation arrangements are.  The stuff of insider publications like the Hotline and Campaigns&Elections will probably become widely known and much more easily accessible, which, as a consultant myself, I welcome.  Unfortunately, that tends to be a minority view in the business.  And, of course, it is a definite power shift away from organizations like the DCCC, who steer candidates toward their pet consultants, a case made well and persuasively in Crashing the Gates.

by mattinla 2006-05-14 01:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

To be honest, I have no clue as to your comments on "consultant." The point that I was making is that if there is a "swing" district--and if money can make the difference--the the netroots will open their wallets and respond accordingly.

Another analogy that I thought of is the notion of "disintermediation" that Wall Street uses (just a random thought here).

In any case, I think that the Internet changes everything, and if a candidate is "really" competitive, then she has to make the case to the netroots. Contrary to what Tip O'Neil said, all politics are not now local, but rather "national."

p.s., If you are a consultant, take a look at my post above. Your candidate should not run against the "Republicans," but rather against the "system."

by INTP 2006-05-14 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

You're spot on about the netroots opening their wallets, but that's still a minority view among political professionals.  My comments about the consulting business were based on the fact that the netroots donors are pretty smart people who want insider info on the campaigns they donate to.  People here will raise an eyebrow at a media consultant getting a 15% commission, for instance.  If you want to raise netroots money, you need to be more open about your arrangements with professionals and let people know that their money isn't getting tossed down a rathole of excessive consulting fees.  And your analogy of disintermediation is also appropriate and it's a direct threat to the power of entities like the DSCC and DCCC who are used to playing the kingmaker role.

I'll take your suggestion about running against the "system" under advisement, but running against the Republicans is polling pretty well right now.  ;)

by mattinla 2006-05-14 09:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

Maybe, but there's a real question about scale here. Except for Howard Dean and John Kerry, who were of course a national candidates, most beneficiaries of netroots fundraising get somewhere in the range of $100k or maybe twice that. That's not enough even to go on TV for a week in most markets. For a successful challenger campaign in even a semi-major market, you're talking $2-3 million per seat. Successful as the "new frontier" of electronic fundraising has been, I really haven't seen the scale even approach what is needed to support a successful campaign. At best it's a nice supplement to the real fundraising, which unfortunately has to be the old-fashioned dialing-for-dollars.

by ColoDem 2006-05-15 07:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

A fair point and your numbers are definitely in the ballpark for the cost of a House race.  However, I think what we're seeing is just the infancy of this kind of fundraising, so it is reasonable to expect the amount raisable over the Internet to grow over time.  I think it is possible to grow a small donor base of a couple of million people, which is still a very small percentage of the overall US population, but in the aggregate a very large amount of money.  Clearly we're not there yet in this cycle, but this is the direction things are headed.  One to two million Democrats nationally dropping $50 into the pot apiece funds a lot of competitive House races.  From the campaign manager's perspective, netroots fundraising is terrific: it requires no candidate time and less staff and there's a very low cost to raising the money as well as the ability to raise it quickly.  My own intuitive sense is that people will be surprised how well competitive House candidates do this fall raising money down the stretch over the Net as the races sort themselves out and we have a real sense of which candidates stand a real chance of winning.

The flip side here is in lowering the cost of campaigns.  Traditional TV reach is way down from what it once was and in a nation of TiVo owners, a lot of the spots tend to get skipped over.  The 2500 point saturation buy just doesn't work the way it used to, so much of what's cutting edge these days is finding alternatives to network TV to get your message out.  The GOP's use of microtargeting in 2004 stands out as an example of this kind of thinking, as do the use of spot cable ads and radio, both of which can be pretty well targeted to a specific audience and have the added advantage of costing a lot less than network TV.

by mattinla 2006-05-15 10:19AM | 0 recs
Infrastructure

You can't build a house without infrastructure. Without roads, electricity, sewer and gas, you can spend all you want on a slate roof and mahogany floors and your won't get your occupancy permit.

Focusing only on "target" races where the DCCC has determined we can win does nothing to build infrastructure. Mass mailings and media buys may buy an election or two, but they do nothing to build the local party. The House is only one level of government, Mr. Emmanuel. But without precinct committemen, no Democrat at any level with last long. The GOP gets this. Without state level organization at the local precinct level there can be no long term sustainable Democratic gains.

Also by reducing the focus of the national party to just a few chosen races at the federal level limits true democracy. If only people in leadership positions at the DCCC get to direct where support and funding goes, when it goes there, and to which candidates this assistance is given, then we are giving control of our party and our nation to a few gatekeepers within the party, rather than putting control over those elected where it belongs - at the local level in the hands of the electorate.

by michael in chicago 2006-05-13 01:02PM | 0 recs
Right

But when Democrats take back the house, it will have nothing to do with Bush at 29% approval or the GOP Scandalapaloozafest, and everything to do with Rahm's genius and brass balls.

The way the mood of the country is turning, there should be no reason for any Democrat with the kind of backing Rahm is providing to raise money hand over fist. It's where that money comes from and how it is controlled that worries Mr. Emmanuel.

Dean wants to build state organizations and decentralize the party. This decentralizes control of the money as well, and opens up who will run for office. Rahm wants to be a gatekeep and king maker. Chosing which races gets funding and which doesn't centralizes control under a few well chosen Beltway gatekeepers, and closes down who can run for office and who can't.

by michael in chicago 2006-05-13 01:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

First of all, thank you for soliciting opinions about this here.

On the strategy question, I'm definitely with Dean. This is a long-term problem that won't be cured in one election cycle (no matter what the results).  

Over the long haul, there is no substitute for  stronger state party organizations that can continually present the Democratic message, counter misperceptions, engage with the opposition in each state and raise the spirits and fortunes of Democrats.

The alternative is to continue to selectively target and pour funds into the small number of competitive races each election year without addressing the fundamental organizational issues that have led to a rather dismal electoral performance by Democrats since 1978. The Democrats lost Ohio in 2004 in large part because the party organization was allowed to atrophy there over the last two decades.  More money directed at Ohio in 2004 would not have solved this larger problem or likely bought a victory there.

There is never a good time for building stronger state party organizations across the country as there is another election every two years. In such an environment, one can always find a very good reason not to do it. But if not now, when?  

As for 2006, it's certainly possible that such a strategy may slightly reduce the probability of a Democratic victory in November.  On the other hand, it may slightly increase the chances of a Democratic blow-up by giving Democratic candidates a better chance in districts that are generally not as competitive. As in 2000 and 2004, targeting only competitive states and districts increases the likelihood of razor thin results in either direction.  

At the end of the day, the most important thing is to spend the money well whether on behalf of the 50 state strategy or for this year's elections.  I wish I had more confidence that this will happen regardless of who has control of the money or for what purpose it is used.  I'm unsure about the motivations of the professional consultancy class and wonder if in some cases over time personal financial motivations trump any residual political idealism in a field (politics) that is so likely to invite or breed cynicism.

by Ben Brackley 2006-05-13 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

My county of 360K in NC has a Democratic registration advantage but is run by Republicans.

The blogs and Dean's DNC message brought me into an active role this winter. I found that our local party infrastructure was as moribund and atrophied as described.

With encouragment from one of the DNC hirees, I am now a candidate for office.

We are rebuilding the whole deal. We have more candidates on the slate for November than folks can remember in more than a dozen years.

Now that a perfect storm is brewing and even local Republicans are disgusted with their party and officials who have acted like mini-Bushes, we have a real chance to ride the wave.

Candidates are surfers, the party is the board. We need both to be able to catch the wave and ride it when it comes.

by demondeac 2006-05-13 04:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

Here's the problem: When you have a "good" year for the Democrats (like the present one), people will say, "We gotta spend money on short-term wins this year! We'll never have a better opportunity to take back Congress!"

But when you have a year that is shaping up to be bad for the Democrats, people will inevitably say, "We need to spend everything we've got this year! If we don't, we could face totally disastrous losses!"

In other words, there will ALWAYS be an argument against long-term planning. That's why it's so difficult to ever do - whether in politics, spending policy, etc.

Personally, I think the Dems need to do long-term planning no matter what the underlying situation looks like. The GOP spent years planning for the long term without regard to outside factors and it reaped huge dividends for them.

by DavidNYC 2006-05-13 10:29PM | 0 recs
The Gimmick

I would not suggest Rahm belives we need a gimmick to win. Instead, he's wedded too strongly to the idea that Clinton-era tactics are going to prevail.

That triangulation is the way that Republicans can vote Democrat.

I think this is just not the case personally, but I think that's the message here...everyone seemingly is stuck in the 90s out of the netroots.

by risenmessiah 2006-05-14 12:34AM | 0 recs
Re: The Gimmick

Sadly, if you look at people like HRC, the presumptive lead for possible Prez nomination, your fear of triangulation is exactly correct. One poster (a HRC supporter) in response to my criticism of HRC's use of triangulation said that the prior failures of triangulation didn't matter because the right person wasn't use it (he assumed HRC is the right person). In my mind, I think they, the leadership of the party, confuse Bill Clinton's charismatic qualities with the sucess of triangulation as a strategy. I challenge anyone to show where triangulation as a strategy has worked on a consistent basis. Just on an factual level, I believe those advocating it must show demonstrateable wins. Which, of course, they can't show because we are at 45 in the Senate and as bad in the House.  

I believe what is going on here is a fear of risk so we fall back on strategies that are the most familar rather than strategies that have proven sucessful.  I don't know if the 50 state strategy is the answer, but what, I like  is that it is taking reasonable to risk to try something different. Oddly enough, the fear of risk has resulted in us taking bigger risks, ie, running in a smaller number of seats. The result of running in a smaller number of seats means that your must nail a win more often than with the 50 state strategy. If you are running in what you considered (based outside of the district interpretation) 20 competitive seats versus 70 seats that may or may not be as competitive as your original criteria, then you will have to win more of the 20, as a percentage of wins, to keep up. ie, let's say you win 5 of the 20- that's what- 1/4 of the wins, but you need less percentage of the 70 to get the same outcome with 5 seats. This 70 allows one to take advantage of local dynamics that may not be obvious to outside pundits, funders, etc. It also means one need not hit a perfect storm.

The final example of how this is a mistake approach is in electoral collect politics. The Dems have been running on triangulation with the belief that they can obtain the necessary electoral college votes by hitting each time with a perfect storm. It's what Kerry and Gore ran on. It's what I believe (although I have no proof of this) what is behind HRC's triangulation thinking (ie, get the standard Dem leaners, and then triangulate to get OH or FL). The problem with this thinking is it requires a perfect storm. That's the problem also with the narrowing the district one early on invests in. To win, one must hit the perfect storm each time in order  to reach the number one needs- in this case 15- to gain a majority or to sustain one.

by bruh21 2006-05-14 08:47PM | 0 recs
Not just about the long term . . .

This is sort of touched upon in the moses comment above, but I have to point out that the 50-state strategy is not just a long-term issue. The Dems cannot afford to write off whole swaths of the country and leave their Reep counterparts in those states free to fundraise and campaign for their friends elsewhere.

They also cannot afford to leave state parties to atrophy -- just because those states are unlikely to vote for a Dem for President anytime soon -- and consequently have no groundwork in place if and when lightning strikes and "safe" seats suddenly become open seats after some "unbeatable" Reep incumbent gets, shall we say . . . indicted?

Suddenly importing busloads of volunteers and showering cash on a district that had virtually no Dem presence just months before is beyond transparent -- it's pathetic, and it's not going to get the job done. Sustaining a party presence nationwide makes sense in the short term and the long term.

by catastrophile 2006-05-14 02:26AM | 0 recs
50 State strategy & the tidal wave

When Dean set out on this course no one was even thinking of 2006 shaping up like 1974 or 1994, and most people would have expected top Republican House leaders to be raising funds for down the ticket candidates rather than their legal defense funds.

If you don't have a 50 state/465 candidate strategy you will miss that magical, mystical political wave if and when it happens. I am not predicting an electorical tsumami this year on a par with 74 or 94 but if it happens it will be a good thing to have a Democrat on every ballot.

by Bruce Webb 2006-05-14 05:49AM | 0 recs
Re: 50 State strategy & the tidal wave

I think you make the best case that Dean's 50 state strategy will pay huge dividends this fall. By challenging a eviscerated GOP everywhere at once, Democrats should clean up even bigger.

by Sitkah 2006-05-14 10:01AM | 0 recs
Exactly!

No one expected the Republicans to knock off the sitting Speaker of the House in 1994, but they did. The Democrats could pull a lot of upsets in 2006 (and beyond!) because of Dr. Dean's foresight.

by Jim in Chicago 2006-05-15 02:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

Why I support the 50-State Strategy:

The Constitution's three branches of government are "balanced" such that no single branch dominates without the power-pendulum starting to swing away. This mechanism is meant to keep the lid on excesses of the political factions. A similar pendulum swings between the Reps and the Dems. Anytime, anyplace, an election looms and one
party is missing then the pendulum fails and our political process stumbles. It's up to us to restore "balance".

In 2004, since I live in a blue state, nobody asked for my vote, nobody left mailbox literature, no national candidate spoke on my local TV. The media covered warchests and polls. I saw two swift boat ads. In 18 swing states, voters received more attention but not much more substance. They heard little of kitchen-table issues that affect daily lives. Fear ruled. Fear about being kept safe. Fear about having one's Bible confiscated. Fear about abortion and gay marriage in far-off places that might be headed their way.  See, what happens is: K-Street tells candidates to sell their souls to big contributors so they can buy attack ads for the swing states and avoid the campaign trail except for an occasional airport photo-op, and when they win they can represent contributors, when they retire they can get rich lobbying.

If you think America needs more of the same, then back Rahm Emanuel. Otherwise, please consider Dean's qualifications as executor of the 50-State Strategy: Governors are executives, not legislators, and they know how to actually get things done. Dean's record reveals that Vermont children have funded health care coverage, DFA is alive and well with affiliates all over America when similar groups have folded, and the fabled McAuliffe fund-raising records have been exceeded in every quarter since he was elected DNC chair. What else can he claim?  Oh yeah, up-thru-the-ranks, under-the-hood, experience with the nuts and bolts of state-level politics.

Dean's money-burn rate is high because D.C. Establishment Dems have sold soap, as described above, since the days of LBJ and he must rebuild the infrastructure. He won't finish by November. So what's he gonna do?  Predictions: He won't waste a cent of the money spent in states without competitive races because those pre-trained
people can be temporarily moved and/or put to work via the internet on competitive races in other states. The DNC's state-of-the-art computer team will perform miracles. Thousands of Dean's supporters will rise to the occasion, volunteer and contribute surprisingly large amounts of money.

So, let every Republican candidate be opposed and forced to stand on a record. Let every candidate make a case to all of the voters, including the hostile ones, and ask for their votes. Let every candidate raise and spend money where the voters are. Let the voters decide, not the D.C. Establishment, and not the media. Let the winner
learn accountability to voters because the next election will be report-card time.
Is this worth the risk of losing a narrow Congressional majority in 2006?
Yes, because eventually America will achieve political balance which represents us all.

by Sweet Sue 2006-05-14 08:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

I'd still like to know how much it is costing the DNC to have some staffers in every state.  Even if their salaries and benefits are $50,000 a year, with three in every state (if that is the right number), that is only $7,500,000 per year.  The news reports say that the DNC has "burnt" $60,000,000. Does anyone have any real knowledge of the actual amoung of money being spent on state staffers and what is being spent on other stuff?  

by budwina 2006-05-14 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

An excellent question, and one that Chairman Dean should be answering.  I suspect that some of the money has gone into infrastructure for microtargeting using commercial consumer databases, an area where we lag behind the RNC and which they used quite effectively in 2004.  I strongly support infrastructure investments like this and do not in any way consider it to be a waste of money.

by mattinla 2006-05-14 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

That is a very good question. I SERIOUSLY doubt that $60m number is accurate. From what I've read, in addition to being upset with what Dean is doing with the money, Emmanuel and Pelosi and others are mad that he's not raising very much period. He's leading the only party organization not out-raising his Republican counterpart. Likely, if true that's precisely BECAUSE he's not raising for those sexy swing races. It's always hard to raise money for long term building.

So if he truly has spent $60m, I'd be stunned. Are you sure that's not DNC, DSCC, and DCCC together?

by ColoDem 2006-05-14 02:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

Yes, I am sure; the Post story that started this whole thing said $74,000,000 had been raised by the DNC in 2005 and 2006, with about $10,000,000 now in the bank.  That means about $64,000,000 has been spent.  If $10,000,000 has been spent on putting people on the ground in the states and training them (and since the program hasn't been up and running in its entirety the whole time, that number is on the high side), what has the other $44,00,000 been spent on?  I am not asking this question because I am opposed to Gov. Dean's 50 state strategy; I think it is a good thing to have staffers in every state, and he is right to fight for it.

by budwina 2006-05-14 04:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

Well, I do know that the party is investing big bucks on technical "innovations" (innovations for our side; the R's have been using them for years) in database management and micro-targeting. But there's just no way that adds up to $50 million. There were a few races in 2005 they might have ponied up for, especially for GOTV. And New Jersey and Virginia are expensive states. Still, the number is worrisome. I really hope they're not wasting it all on consultants.

by ColoDem 2006-05-14 07:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Strategy

Could the "missing" money be accounted for by transfers out of the DNC and into the coffers of state parties?

If so, that makes it perfectly understandable in light of the professed 50-state strategy.

by Curt Matlock 2006-05-15 09:41AM | 0 recs
Dean raises money directly for State Parties

You need to keep this in mind when discussing Dean's fundraising. When he comes to a state, he raises money for that state's party aparatus instead of directly for the DNC. So Dean has, in fact, raised far more money toward party building than he will ever get credit for.

by Jim in Chicago 2006-05-15 02:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

The Rahm Emanuels of the Democratic party strike me like the oft-criticized corporate CEOs of a couple of years ago, whom were more concerned with quarterly corporate returns, rather than on the long-term viability of their corporate charges -- all in an effort to satisfy Wall Street expectations.  If I recall the corporate scandals of a couple of years ago correctly, there was pretty much universal consensus on the fact that short-term/quarterly horizons had hurt corporate America, and created a culture wherein CEOs flouted and skirted both law and ethics just to maintain short-term corporate revenue ahead of Wall Street expectations.  In fact, many corporate leaders, among them Warren Buffet, and business academics urged corporate America to abandon quarterly profit reports/horizons; and, in stead, urged that CEOs focus on core practices and that they take the long-view in an effort to get away from the corrupting practices of only looking at quarterly revenue reports.  

I see the Rahm Emanuels of the Democratic party as corporate middle managers, more interested on impressing their immediate bosses, rather than on creating/delivering innovative  services/products that can transform an entire industry.  Delivering and pursuing such transformative services/products takes vision, imagination and leadership.  Sadly, middle managers are not known for delivering any of the former.  Just imagine if  Apple had not taken the long-view... then consumers would've been the worst for it, never having been introduced to iLife line of products from Apple, which include the iMac to the industry shifting iPod.  Now, many years after coming close to the brink of extinction, Apple is considered once more an industry leader and innovator.

by bedobe 2006-05-14 11:03AM | 0 recs
Re: The Question In Context

Since it won't be under his tuteledge then you can't have an answer. Incorrectly constructed question based on a faulty premise.

Of course that reality won't stop those who truly believe in that incorrect premise from continuing to believe in it.

by BigDog 2006-05-14 11:43AM | 0 recs
Re: One Longwinded Answer

Oh, it's not a gimmick. What Emmanuel is expressing is in fact the guiding principle of politics for the past 50 years. It may be past its sell-by date, but it's not anything particularly odd. Basically, the principle goes that if the candidate him or herself cannot get to about 45 alone, there's nothing any outside group can do to help. So you concentrate your money in the races where that is true. Now, because of how the national scene looks right now, there are a TON of races where that criterion appears to be met, many more than most people expected. So he's looking for every dime he can fine so that he can fully fund all the races in which the  Dem is that close. From his perspective, if he doesn't, the party loses its chance for a 1994-style revolution. The reason why this argument didn't pop up until now is that we never knew we would have so many close races to fund. He must get a poll a day with some random underdog Dem pulling within 5 points of his entrenched opponent. He sees party hero-status in front of him, but he also sees Dean pulling money away from those races toward some longer term goal, and so there you have it ...

by ColoDem 2006-05-14 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: One Longwinded Answer

The only way seats remain safe is through gerrymandering. As was said at Donkey Rising, this year is really a test of gerrymandering versus popular will. If we didn't have the level of gerrymandering we have in this country, do you think anyone would be even remotely questioning the likelihood of a Dem landslide?

by bruh21 2006-05-14 08:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

The itemized FEC filings show them paying salaries averaging $2800 a month to "staffers" in many states. I know a couple of the field directors in a few states and see their names on the list.

1 month 4 staffers x 50 states x 2800 = $560,000.00
 or
$6.7 million a year

by sndeak 2006-05-14 05:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

Thank you, that is very helpful. Since the cost is only about 12% of all the money that has been raised by the DNC, why is the state party rebuilding strategy even something that is the subject of this debate?  If it was 25% or higher, then I could understand the discussiion, but it doesn't sound to me like the 50 state strategy should even be an issue.

by budwina 2006-05-15 04:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

The 50 state strategy is good one but in reality it will not truly be a 50 state strategy.  I know of no party that is truly 50 state - both parties have their bases and always will.

I think we need to build the parties up in all states because even if you can't win statewide in most elections having party strength can help in down ballot races such as Congress and the state legislature.  We have ignored these races for too long.  It also lets you grab statewide offices when your opposition nominates weak candidates i.e NY and MASS Gov which have had Repub Govs despite their Dem tendancies.

However, we should also be realistic in our expectations.  We will get periodic victories in states like Mississippi by building up the parties but we are unlikely to flip them.  Mississippi has a history as a very conservative state.  The "Democrats" it used to elect like Congressman William Colmer and Sen John Stennis were Dixiecrats who would fit very well into today's Repub party.  That doesn't mean we should ignore them, it means we should have realistic expectations and use the resources appropriately within those states.  Overall we will benefit from building up the party in states like this even if they don't become bastions of progressivism.

I do not think the 50 state strategy and targeting Congressional and Senate races are incompatible.  One is a long term strategy to build up state parties while the other is to win now.  Resources are limited so the DCCC and DSCC must target races.  The real question is how they target them and when.  There are some obvious seats early on but you must save some resources for those seats that become competitive at the last minute.  We'll see come October if Schumer and Emmanuel have don't that.

by John Mills 2006-05-15 07:15AM | 0 recs
DKos front page today (Monday)

Tom,

I trust you saw this:

Utah's Democratic Party chief responds to Begala

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/5 /15/83439/7655

Here's just one sentence:

"By leaving the GOP unopposed in places like Utah, it frees them up to concentrate on making inroads in marginal districts."

He's absolutely right, of course.

by Jim in Chicago 2006-05-15 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

If you happen to be in New York/New Jersey, come to Hoboken tonight and ask Markos and Jerome yourself!  Click here for event details.

/shameless plug

by jwb95 2006-05-15 09:45AM | 0 recs
Re: The Question In Context

He won't be controlling anything but his office and the DCCC. It's that simple.

Gosh...Democrats being in charge doesn't impress you? Then join some party with no chance of being in charge...and see if that impresses you.

by BigDog 2006-05-15 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: The Question In Context

PS: everything you mentioned has been screwed up by the Republicans as it has been brought up for discussion or legislation by Democrats.

by BigDog 2006-05-15 10:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Question about 50 State Stategy

I think there are a combination of goals here.  One is reestablishing the party for even greater gains beyond 2006 and the other is winning back congress in 2006.  I think they go hand in hand.  Besides, Emmanuels way is a proven failure.  Dean is the boss.  Let him lead.

by Harry 2006-05-15 10:54AM | 0 recs

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