Clark Makes Republicans Ring Hollow

Wes Clark is a painfully honest man. Why that adjective? Because of the grief Wes Clark frequently receives for telling the truth when a lie would go down smoother. Supposedly, however, honesty is a virtue. Clark is also a man who has devoted his entire life to service to his nation, and his heart to one incredible woman. No one can question Clark's loyalty or devotion. Nor can anyone ever say that Wes Clark is soft on security. He has four bullet wounds and four stars to attest to his commitment to America's security.

In short, no one can ever attack Wes Clark's patriotism or core values. Republicans find ways to lie about any Democrat, and they have in the past and will in the future do so about Wes Clark also, if they have to. And they will have to if Democrats show any sign of waking up to the fact that we can nominate a man who most Americans, not just Democrats, will willingly embrace as their next leader. Wes Clark is the real package that Republicans have repeatedly been trying to sell America a counterfeit version of for decades. Wes Clark makes Republicans ring hollow.

As he traveled extensively across the nation campaigning for Democrats in 2006, Wes Clark continually went to the most conservative districts to help flip Republican seats to the Democratic side. No one was more requested as a campaigner by Democrats in red districts than Wes Clark, because the Democrats there knew Clark could break through Republican static to reach local voters with a Democratic message.

That is exactly what Wes Clark has been doing for two years now on FOX news, and the half of their viewership that are not hopelessly wingnuts now holds Clark in respect. This is how landslides are won, not just by turning out your own base but by expanding your base at the expense of the other side.

For all of that Wes Clark's agenda for America is progressive, and Clark has shown more courage standing up against a push to war with Iran than any leading Democrat I can think of. Oh I know that it finally has become politically expected for leading Democrats to tell their supporters that the United States should negotiate with Iran, but Clark will say so anywhere to anyone, he's done so for years, but more important; Wes Clark also passionately argues the case FOR peaceful coexistence with Iran, which takes a lot more guts to advocate for than simply saying we should talk with Iran.

And because Wes Clark is the real deal, because in their gut almost all Americans know that Wes Clark is a true patriot who devoted his entire life to protecting our nation from it's potential enemies, Wes Clark has the standing it will take to lead us OUT of War in Iraq, and AWAY from War with Iran. America needs Wes Clark for that, and fortunately it looks like we can have him, if we choose wisely.

Tags: 2008, Democratic Party, Elections, Eric Massa, General Clark, James Webb, Massa, Media, New York, Virginia, webb, Wes Clark, Wesley Clark (all tags)

Comments

55 Comments

Clark is just not catching on...

Clark's poll numbers are in the 1% range and this for a candidate who has been running for president since the last election.

He just doesn't gain any traction with voters.

He didn't in 2004 and he isn't now.

He would have been better off to run for Congress in his home state, demonstrate some electoral appeal, over the last four years.

I don't think he's even attractive as a VP candidate because he has no demonstrated electoral strength.

by BrionLutz 2007-02-06 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

He campaigned for Lamont, a move which is the exactly the opposite of those who have been running for President (except for Dodd).

by justinh 2007-02-07 02:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

"He campaigned for Lamont, a move which is the exactly the opposite of those who have been running for President (except for Dodd)."

So Clark campaigning for Lamont is why he has never gained traction with voters over the last four years of his presidential run?

by BrionLutz 2007-02-07 12:17PM | 0 recs
You're not reading

If you had read the comments below, you would see that General Clark has NOT been on a campaign for himself. Still isn't. He's working for the good of the Party and our country, and thus all of us. I know it's hard to comprehend that, but that's really who he is.

Those who have been campaigning for President or the last 4-6 years have the war chests to show for it. All the money WesPAC made went to the '06 races. Big difference.

Once he announces, THEN he'll be campaigning. The Corporate Press is shoving their choices down our throats once again, and I won't fall for it.

by jen 2007-02-07 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: You're not reading

"If you had read the comments below, you would see that General Clark has NOT been on a campaign for himself."

Oh please...that is hopelessly naive...even dishonest were Clark himself to make that claim.

by BrionLutz 2007-02-07 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: You're not reading

you are understandably jaded. I was too -- to the point of having given up altogether on politics. It was after hearing Michael Moore speak back in 2003, going on about this General guy that I started looking in to Clark.  And yeah, in some respects he is what some would call naive in that he believes in the goodness of people and in doing the right thing. His son once replied to a remark that General Clark is like one of those 50's sitcom dad's and Wes, Jr. said, yeah, he's really like that.

There really are good and righteous people left in this world, and General Clark is without question one of them.

by jen 2007-02-07 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: You're not reading

"you are understandably jaded."

Nope.

"I was too -- to the point of having given up altogether on politics"

Who cares.

"And yeah, in some respects he is what some would call naive in that he believes in the goodness of people and in doing the right thing."

Like saying in 2000 that he was glad Bush Jr and company, his "very good friends" were in the White House?

Like doing fundraisers for Bush Jr in 2001?

Those kind of "right things"?

"There really are good and righteous people left in this world, and General Clark is without question one of them."

Clark said the same thing about Bush Jr admin...not sure I agree with him.

by BrionLutz 2007-02-07 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: You're not reading

LOL.  Your insight is absolutely amazing!

Parroting smears from the 2004 primary is intellectually lazy and dishonest.

Clark did both a Republican and a Democratic fundraiser once coming out of the army.  Get over it or cry me a freakin river.

by areucrazy 2007-02-07 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: You're not reading

"Get over it or cry me a freakin river."

You are the one who is crying about Clark having a 1% poll rating.

by BrionLutz 2007-02-07 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: You're not reading

Once again, LOL.  Its early Feb buddy and Clark has yet to announce.  I'm not worried about it one bit.  How many months out are we now?  How do poll numbers matter right now?  That's what I thought.  Its still mighty early.

by areucrazy 2007-02-07 04:57PM | 0 recs
Re: You're not reading

FACT!!!

CLARK HAS NOT CAMPAIGNED FOR HIMSELF SINCE HE DROPPED OUT OF THE RACE IN 2004. AFTER WHICH HE CAMPAIGNED FOR KERRY

FACT!!!

CLARK CAMPAIGNED FOR OVER 80 CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATES THROUGHOUT 2005 AND 2006. UNLIKE MANY OTHERS.....HE DID NOT HOLD FUNDRAISERS FOR HIMSELF DURING THIS TIME.

FACT!!!

YOU ARE A TROLL AND FULL OF SHIT.

by pelican 2007-02-07 04:48PM | 0 recs
Re: You're not reading

Don't worry about him.  His diary shows that he likes to criticize Edwards and Clark.  He is an Obama and Hillary supporter, FWIW.  And he can't have substantive arguments so he resorts to repetition.

by areucrazy 2007-02-07 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: You're not reading

Ah. Explains a lot. Thanks!

by jen 2007-02-07 05:22PM | 0 recs
Re: You're not reading

Not dishonest at all. What Clark did do, what any good tactician would do who wanted to preserve an option, is take at least the minimal steps that he needed to take to keep alive the option of running for President.  Clark is not so foolish as to think he could ignore the issue completely for 2 years and then wake up one morining and say, "Gee, I think I'll run for President".

That is a different standard of behavior though than him actually prioritizing his actions around campaigning for 2008.  Both John Edwards, and until very recently John Kerry, present good models of men who obviously spent the last 2 years non stop campaigning for President.  

I would discuss the distinction further with you if I felt the conversation would be productive, which unfortunatley I do not. You acknowledge none of the points that I or anyone else make in response to your comments.

by Tom Rinaldo 2007-02-07 05:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

Reread my post.  I was responding to your comment that Clark's been running for president since the last election.  

by justinh 2007-02-07 04:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

"I was responding to your comment that Clark's been running for president since the last election."

Which he has been.

by BrionLutz 2007-02-07 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

Brion,

You're making quite a habit out of circular thinking.

by justinh 2007-02-07 04:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

And a habit of attacking progressive candidates.  http://www.mydd.com/comments/2007/1/20/1 31924/252/2#2

by gunnar 2007-02-07 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

All you have to do is scroll down just a bit, it takes half a second, and read Tom's response, but it seems like you just like to trash Clark.

by areucrazy 2007-02-07 04:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

Quoting Clark's praise for his "great friends" the Bush Jr team and noting Clarks fundraiser for Bush Jr are not "trashing" Clark...just reminding his supporters of facts about Clark that explain why he is a 1% candidate.

by BrionLutz 2007-02-07 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

Lol, while you're supporting who?  That's right Obama and Hillary.  Two candidates who campaign strickly on the facts.  LOFL.

by areucrazy 2007-02-07 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

Repeating a lie over and over and over again doesn't make it so.

by sybil disobedience 2007-02-07 04:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

He hasn't even announced yet.

Early polls are ALL about name recognition. Once he announces and starts campaigning, I think you'll see the numbers go up.

It's a long way until Jan 2008. Lots can happen...especially the front runners who will be under constant scrutiny for a year.

by pelican 2007-02-07 06:26AM | 0 recs
It's another myth being spread

It is a tired and false meme that Clark "did not get traction" in 2004.  I firmly believe Wes Clark would have won the Democratic nomination if BOTH Dean and Gephardt had not completely collapsed in Iowa, opening up that contest for the two John's to sweep.

Here are two excellent sources that correct some wide spread revisionist history about the 2004 Democratic Primary race.  Check out "Wes Clark did Hella "Good!"-The Shorthand 2004 Primary Primer" at RAPID FIRE - Silver Bullets
http://www.rapidfire-silverbullets.com/2 006/12/wes_clark_did_hella_goodthe_20.ht ml#more

Here is a snip from "Wes Clark did Hella Good":

"Those not giving Clark credit for his performance in 2004 in the Democratic Primaries are not being fair to Clark's demonstrated campaign skills, and that's a shame because he could and would do so much better in 2008, till it's not even funny!

The General entered the race in mid September (4 short months before the first primary vote) without a personal fortune....and by January '04 had raised the most money for that important quarter (beating out Dean). This was done while he had to hire left-over campaign strategist (since there were 9 other campaigns going on), had no experience running before, had to develop position papers in record time (was not a life time politician with a ready made senate staff)...and was attacked relentlessly by both parties, as he was everyone's nightmare if he did well.

Simply stated, because he chose not to contest Iowa (due to too short a time and too little resources)....he missed the big media blitz that blew Kerry and Edwards onto the finish line.

Still less than a week prior to Iowa and left out of the whole media blitz, Clark was polling 2nd in New Hampshire, 4 points behind Howard Dean, and 1st in Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma, North Dakota and 2nd in South Carolina."

Also check out this from well the respected blog, The Carpetbagger Report:

"But I think it's worth noting that Clark never really got his due as a candidate. The Times said he "struggled to master the difficulties" of being a presidential candidate, while Scheiber said Clark failed because he "turned out to be a pretty lousy politician."

I followed Clark's campaign pretty closely in 2004 and I remember things slightly differently.

Indeed, looking back, I think the conventional wisdom is that John Edwards excelled as a candidate, while Clark never really caught on with voters. That's not quite what happened.

After the Iowa caucuses, which Clark chose not to compete in, the four main Democratic candidates -- Kerry, Dean, Clark, and Edwards -- met in eight primaries. Kerry won six and effectively wrapped up the nomination in the first week of February 2004. But taking a closer look, Clark did pretty well, particularly if you compare him to Edwards.

In those eight primaries, Clark finished ahead of Edwards in five (AZ, NH, NM, ND, and OK), while Edwards bettered Clark is just three of the eight (DE, MO, and SC). If you include Iowa, Clark still outperformed Edwards in five of the first nine contests.

In fact, in those first eight post-Iowa primaries, if we look only at top-two finishes (candidates who came in either first or second), Kerry had seven, Clark had four, Edwards had three, and Dean had one...."

Read the whole blog here:
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/arc hives/9242.html

by Tom Rinaldo 2007-02-07 07:00AM | 0 recs
Re: It's another myth being spread

"It is a tired and false meme that Clark "did not get traction" in 2004."

I guess I missed all of Clark's primary wins..or you missed his not showing up with many votes in 2004.

His current numbers of 1% are abysmal for someone who has been running for president for four years.

Claiming, as you do, that current numbers are based on name recognition, would be really bad news for Clark since he's been running for four years.

If he has had so little impact, he's doomed...which is true which is why it's clear he's running for VP or Sec. of Defense, not for president.

by BrionLutz 2007-02-07 12:20PM | 0 recs
Re: It's another myth being spread

"Running for four years"?

What are you smoking?  Clark threw everything into getting John Kerry elected.  When that failed, he did everything to elect Democrats to Congress.  Most of which involved campaigning for underdogs of one sort of another.  Lamont in CT, for example, as well as dozens of red district Texans, and challengers to long-time Repub incumbents.  Unlike Edwards who spent fully half of his "campaigning for others" time in Iowa and NH, and refused to go back to CT once it became clear that Lieberman was ahead.

And as for "all of Clark's primary wins," he had exactly as many primary wins as Dean and Edwards (and one more than many other professional politicians).  Moreover, Clark's win was in a state he couldn't call home.  There is absolutely NO doubt that if he'd have hung in longer, he'd have won Arkansas too, making his double the wins.

The reason Clark fell out before Edwards is that once it became clear neither of them had a chance of winning, Clark figured it out sooner and put more value on getting the winner into the White House, than in campaigning for vice president for his own ambition.

by hf jai 2007-02-07 01:16PM | 0 recs
Clark in 2004

Well, then you probably missed the fact that after Iowa, which Clark skipped (that's another story), Clark beat Edwards five out of eight times.  Clark was 3rd in NH to Edwards's 4th.  On February 3 with seven states in play, Clark won Oklahoma outright, and finished second to Kerry in New Mexico, Arizona, and North Dakota.

The media completely ignored Clark's Oklahoma win, and instead touted Kerry as the anointee and Edwards as the only challenger.

So you must have been reading/listening to the media, not election returns.

by stan81747 2007-02-07 01:48PM | 0 recs
Clark: most request surrogate in red states in 06

Your suggestion, BrionLutz, is ludicrious.

Clark's mission during the 06 cycle was to elect Dems to Congress and to the Senate.  Even when they weren't given a 'shot' by more cautious and 'mainstream'  Democrats.

Ask Jim Webb, ask Ned Lamont, ask Jon Tester and Charlie Brown.  Ask Eric Massa, John Murtha and Patrick Murphy and the entire cadre of Fighting Dems.  HE was out there every day defending them against the rightwing Swiftboat machine.

Ask Jon Stoltz of VoteVets.  Clark (who is deeply involved in VoteVets efforts) will give you a full and complete answer.

Be prepared for their response

by TxKat 2007-02-07 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Clark: most request surrogate in red states in

"Ask Jim Webb, ask Ned Lamont, ask Jon Tester and Charlie Brown.  Ask Eric Massa, John Murtha and Patrick Murphy and the entire cadre of Fighting Dems."

I asked them and none said they owed their election to "1% Clark".

by BrionLutz 2007-02-07 03:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark: most request surrogate in red states in

You're a troll.

by pelican 2007-02-07 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

Clinton didn't even announce until September of the year he announced. I wouldn't confuse your opinion "Clark is just not catching on" with you, with the actual facts.

If Clark were not "catching on" he would not have been speaking at events like YearlyKos & the DNC Winter Meeting, now would he?

You talk about "catching on" like it's some kind of soft drink branding.

by bluemoon 2007-02-07 01:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

"I wouldn't confuse your opinion "Clark is just not catching on" with you, with the actual facts."

It's not my opinion, it's the polls showing Clark at 1% and this with the guy campaigning for the last four years.

He didn't catch on in 2005 and he's not catching on now.

by BrionLutz 2007-02-07 03:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

If you took a poll early in the 2004 primary process, Kerry was not dominating either. True, Clark is not catching on. But you continue to spread crap about Clark. I am not going to even affirm or deny your claim about Clark praising Repubs. The fact is he has been more consistent than any of the other candidates in fighting for other Dems. Electability is not something you talk this early in the process.

Clark has an uphill battle, but you show a total lack of appreciation by mischaracterizing his campaigning for other progressives. It's people like you that make it tougher for honest politicians to get mainstream appeal. At some point, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Wes wasn't prepared in 2004. He is a lot more sure of himself since then when it comes to public appearances. GIve him a chance to prove himself in teh debates and if Hillary gets exposed, you never know what could happen with the other candidates.

by Pravin 2007-02-07 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

"I am not going to even affirm or deny your claim about Clark praising Repubs."

Why would your belief or disbelief of known, sourced facts be of any concern to anyone?

Clark was clearly lobbying for a job in the Bush Jr admin in 2000 and 2001. He didn't get it and decided he had a better chance with Democrats.

Clark was a 1% candidate in 2004 and he is a 1% candidate in 2008.

Just the facts ma'am.

by BrionLutz 2007-02-07 06:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

So Webb, Wilson, Scott Ritter are to be discounted because of their past republican ties?

The problem with Hillary is because she is a former Goldwater girl or the way she has conducted herself in the past few years?

Gore selected Lieberman in 2000 and was a big part of the DLC. Guess what, he didnt even bother to give Lieberman the courtesy thata he was going to endorse Dean in 2004 maybe because he realized he didn't need to be that close to an idiot like LIeberman. People change.

When I said that about Wes's past being irrelevant to me, it's because it is only relevant if Wes had been inconsistent in the last few years, so only then I would look at his past to see which side is his true self. He has been bulletproof since 2004.

by Pravin 2007-02-07 07:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

"So Webb, Wilson, Scott Ritter are to be discounted because of their past republican ties?"

Glad to see you are coming to terms with the reality of Clark's pro-Bush Jr background,.

All have voiced opposition to Bush Jr.

Clark has supported Bush Jr.  

Most disturbing is Clark's lavish praise for Bush Jr in 2001 after the election and then Clark's claim he really voted for Gore when he decided to run for VP in 2004.

by BrionLutz 2007-02-07 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

I would have voted for Hillary if she ran instead of Bill in 1992. So fucking what? I wouldn't now.

Clark served under Clinton/Gore. Is it so crazy that he would vote for Gore?

Also, I never came to grips with your claims about Wes Clark supporting Bush. I just refuse to debate it because it is a waste of time for me to see how bad those comments really were since it would't undo the CONSISTENT excellent support he has shown to progressives since 2004. That is a long enough stretch of good deeds for me to not consider any PR babble he may have indulged in.

Hell, you will see Bill CLinton say nice things about Bush at those charity gatherings. So what? That doesn't bother me as much as what he does in support of other democrats. THat is just polite talk. Hillary, for all the things that bother me, doesn't offend me when she praises Gingrich and vice versa at polite meets.

by Pravin 2007-02-07 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

"Clark served under Clinton/Gore. Is it so crazy that he would vote for Gore?"

Is it likely that someone who, right after the 2000 election, praises the Bush Jr team as his "great friends" and says how lucky America is to have such great team in the White House, voted for someone other than his "great friend" Bush Jr?

by BrionLutz 2007-02-07 08:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark is just not catching on...

I see you didn't bother to address the PR comment the CLintons indulge in when they talk about Bush or Gingrich when you replied to my comment. Or the PR stuff your guy OBama indulges in with respect to Lieberman. It's commonplace in Washington.

When Wes realized that the country was in serious trouble, he dispensed with the polite babble. That's the difference between him and the other candidates.

by Pravin 2007-02-08 09:17AM | 0 recs
i uprated this to a 2

just so folks can see the responses.

brion, please, for the love of all that is holy, stop spreading this B.S. about clark.

by annatopia 2007-02-08 09:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Makes Republicans Ring Hollow

It is actually the exact opposite.  Clark has NOT been running for President since the last election, and that, in a narrow sense, perhaps has cost him.

A person who keeps running for President might campaign over a dozen different times during 2006 for the same small handful of Iowa candidates before a mid term electon where the entire balence of Congress could potentially be changed by winning enough seats in districts all around the country.  

A person who keeps running for President might travel around the nation all last year sucking up donations by the tens of millions for her own Senatorial campaign where she had no real opposition, when many good Democratic candidates were dying on the vine from lack of fiscal watering.

A person who keeps running for President might scatter around broad hints that he planned to run in 2008 on a weekly basis where no one could fail to notice them rather than shutting down all speculation by actually acting like all he was trying to do for the moment was elect a Democratic majority to Congress rather than promote his own canidacy to inside players.

Clark did exactly what he said he would do, he campaigned in Alabama at least as much as he did in New Hampshier, because the Democratic Party needed him in Alabama at least as much as it did in New Hampshire.

And for what it's worth your figures are misleading.  There are some candidates who routinely score at 1% in polls or below, but Clark is usually at 2% to 4%, though I know if you look hard enough you can find him at a point below or above that spread.

And if you look closer you will also find the following. Clark does at least as well as anyone else in the field who never ran on a national Democratic ticket or who wasn't on the front cover of Time magazine while being hyped by Oprah.

At this stage in the 2004 race Joe Lieberman was the front runner and John Edwards was pulling poll numbers like Wes Clark, and Bill Richardson, and Joe Biden, and Chris Dodd, and Tom Vilsack are now.  You may also remember that most of the announced candidates got a bounce in the polls and media coverage when they went through their formal song and dance announcements, and Wes Clark has not yet done so.

by Tom Rinaldo 2007-02-06 11:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Makes Republicans Ring Hollow

I'm agnostic on Clark, except for two things. One, he supported Lamont. That narrowed my preferred candidates for 2008 to two: Clark and Kerry. (And I understand Edwards offered to make himself available, but wires crossed or some such: not sure what that story is.)

This isn't because I'm such a Lamont partisan, but because supporting Lamont proves that a candidate (or potential candidate) 'gets it.' It's one thing to talk tough; it's another to put yourself on the line for a real Democrat running against a CfLer.

Two, why the hell didn't Clark declare his candidacy months ago? I understand how early this is ... but others haven't waited. Why has Clark? What does that buy him but headaches, and people like me wondering if he learned anything about playing politics, last time around?

Finally: my biggest concern for our nominee is that she or he aggresively act to undermine the conservative infrastructure while reinforcing the progressive infrastructure. To be most effective, this requires a real asshole, a cut-throat politician. I understand that Clark is a warrior in the actual sense, but is he one politically, too? Oddly enough, I'm afraid he really is too honest and upstanding.

Of course, I'm probably the only guy in all the blogosphere pining for a Kerry candidacy ... (If I can't have me some Gore.)

by BingoL 2007-02-07 08:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Makes Republicans Ring Hollow

Clark says he's holding back from announcing a decision because he's working the policy issues right now and he thinks they're too important to get side-tracked by political game-playing.

For what it's worth, I just heard Congresswoman Maxine Waters on Hardball, who mentioned how General Clark has been talking to them and helping them figure out how to keep Bush from escalating in Iraq and attacking Iran.

by hf jai 2007-02-07 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Makes Republicans Ring Hollow

Thanks. I'm interested to see what he decides. With several other candidates so completely dominating the field, I wonder if he won't give this a pass unless he has an actual strategy for victory.

by BingoL 2007-02-07 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Makes Republicans Ring Hollow

He's also hosting a major foreign policy conference at ucla in March & may want to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest as a host.

by bluemoon 2007-02-07 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Makes Republicans Ring Hollow

"...why the hell didn't Clark declare his candidacy months ago?"

one needs only look at  the current Edwards campaign 'situation' to see the wisdom in not following the crowd in this "announce early, announce often" thing going on.

by abburdlen 2007-02-07 04:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Makes Republicans Ring Hollow

That is a really good point.  The conventional wisdom is to announce early because money & mainstream media attention mean everything.  That is often true but always true?  Probably not!

by howardpark 2007-02-08 04:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Makes Republicans Ring Hollow

Actually, he goes much beyond making them ring hollow. Wes Clark embarrasses them, and with it their lack of vision, coherence, and even fundamental interest in being minimally credible representatives worthy of public trust. Their blindly partisan embrace of the federal disaster area in the White House already disqualifies the party as a whole, I'm not sure Wes Clark could add significantly to that.

By that I mean that Wes Clark doesn't make them ring hollow - they already do on their own.

What Wes Clark does, however, in a very poignant way, is to both remind and embarrass the electorate that supported the GOP in 2004, that they did so in a proven misguided and even betrayed belief that by supporting what was presented as a "different" agenda shouldn't have critical scrutiny, instead handing over a brainless "mandate" that by far exceeds, in real terms, the purported "damage" they sought to "undo" with their insane Republican Revolution.

Wes Clark is not "just" a reminder that things can be done much better: he is the living proof that things can be done right.

And his measured, cogent, nuanced and reflective approach is something other which further unsettles the hapless "conservatives", who instead prefer to rant and rave to the loony tunes of the Limbaughs, O'Reillys and Scarboroughs, extolling the virtues of blind allegiance to cardboard ideas, instead of putting patriotism in practice.

Wes Clark, in effect, obsolesces that other party.

There are no Republicans: only hacks, operatives, and cheerleaders who cloak themselves in the colors of a Party they long ago hijacked. That, and the sad group of supporters who, against better judgment, persist in marching on to mirages - out and further into the desert.

Wes Clark is a reminder of what common sense and competent leadership looks like combined.

The façade of what at one point was the GOP is just an enormous empty cardboard box holding a ragtag collection of shattered dreams and broken promises - thank goodness we have the General to kick in the walls of that eyesore, and inspire us to remove the trash.

We don't need a clear view of reality: we have it. We need the resolve to get Wes Clark in a position to do the job we need him to do, which serves us all best: in the White House.

It's time to mop up the mess.

by nv1962 2007-02-07 04:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Makes Republicans Ring Hollow

Wes Clark would clean the clock of any republican in a debate. He has badly outmatched every single FOX commentator in the last year, something I haven't seen any other DEmocratic party guest do, not even Schumer who is a highly eloquent  damn smart man.

by Pravin 2007-02-07 06:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Makes Republicans Ring Hollow

Great diary!

And it appears that Wes Clark has been doing plenty work behind the doors, not all public and photo op like!

According to Maxine Waters on Hardball today, Wes Clark has been warning the Congress on Bush's push towards Iran for quite some time.

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Talks about Iran at 8:00 when Chris Matthews asks her specifically about Iran.

by fraud04 2007-02-07 08:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Clark Makes Republicans Ring Hollow

I got a great feeling about Clark the first time I saw him speak in a seminar broadcast on C-SPAN in 2003. I supported him in 2004 and will again this time if he chooses to run. National security will still be a major issue in 2008 and, despite Hillary's obvious aptitude for the subject and Richardson's diplomatic background, Clark is the only top- or mid-tier candidate with enough direct military experience to drive his points home. I also think he'd make a great ticket balancer for Edwards - the equivalent of what Cheney brought to the Bush candidacy, but in a good way this time.

This will likely (and thankfully) be the last election involving candidates that came of age in the Vietnam war era and it would nice to send that generation off into their sunset years with a great guy like Clark.

by ProgressiveChristian 2007-02-08 03:12AM | 0 recs
Lamont had negligible ratings in early 2006

ANd yet, he won the primary. Clark has a chance to win the primary too even if it looks hopeless now.

by Pravin 2007-02-08 05:06AM | 0 recs
Lots of Clarkies

I've made it a practice to ask people who follow politics closely who they supported in 2004 and pretty much every single time, half the people at the table will say, "Clark".  

I think, like me, people who pay attention saw Clark on CNN - on the run-up to the Iraq War and then after it started - talking about Iraq in the only terms that made any sense.  Everyone else had either drunk the kool-aid or were just following along drooling over the fireworks.  

Then we learned more about him - his integrity, his incredible personal heroism and thoughtfulness, his degree in Economics and . . .

Then, after he withdrew, his continual fighting for good candidates through 2004 and then 2006.

BUT this timing thing. . . Clark (and Gert) have got to get right!

I was at YearlyKos when Markos introduced Clark at Clark's party by saying that he and Jerome were backing Clark prior to their backing of Dean.  They finally had to switch over because Clark wouldn't get in.  

Can you imagine what the world would have been like if Clark had gotten into the 2004 race earlier with the backing of Kos and Jerome?  

by lynnallen 2007-02-08 06:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Lots of Clarkies

I seem to recall some widely-publicized statements by Clark early in the Bush presidency that called into question Clark's opposition to the war and painted him as an opportunist. At least that's what I remember hearing from one of my Republican friends. That and Clark's inexperience at campaigning made him not ready for prime time in 2004, regardless of whether the blogosphere had adopted him.

But, oh, imagine how different the world would be if Clark had won :+(

by ProgressiveChristian 2007-02-08 06:43AM | 0 recs
"from one of my Republican friends"

That is the key point.  The Republican Party went after Clark very hard and very early when he announced, because they feared a Democratic military leader who opposed Bush on Iraq would most undermine Bush running as Commander in Chief during a war.  Many of the swiftboating technicques that were later used against Kerry were tried out on Clark first.  

Republicans were trotted out to say that they had had phone conversations in which Clark allegedly said things to them that undermined his public statements.  A joke Clark made about what it would have required for him to become a Republican instead was spun as a deadly serious statement.  

Al Gore set a tone of bipartisanship with his amazingly gracious concession speech after the Supreme Court settled the 2000 election, trying to help heal the nation and put divisions behind us. He pledged his full support to George Bush as America's President and urged other Democrats to do so also. Many Democrats said nice things about Republicans Bush appointed to his cabinet during Senate confirmation hearings.  

But because Wes Clark was a political unknown to most Democrats when he declared for President, Republicans tried to exploit that lack of knowledge of who Clark was as a person and Democrat. They spun an innoculous nice opening comment Clark made early in 2000 about some in the then brand new Bush Administartion, presented in the same spirit as Democratic positive comments made in Senate confirmation hearings of the same period that overwhelmingly supported all of Bush's appointments except for Ashcroft, out of context.  

Of course by late 2003 almost all Democrats had shifted to openly attacking those men, so "revealing" anything remotely "nice" said by about any of them at that point was an effective political attack, because Clark couldn't draw on a long Democratic track record that would insolate someone like Gore, Kerry, Kennedy etc. from being doubted as a Democrat because of any prior postitive comment about anyone in the Bush Administration.

A key Republican attack meme used against Clark immediately after he announced was that he had poor personal character, the most famous example of that was the Shelton smear.  Republicans tried to paint Clark as a self serving ambitious man who would climb over his mother to get power, as an oopportunist in other words, because they hoped that by so doing they could stir up fears among Democrats not to trust a General.

I could write a whole lot more about this, but this is as good a stopping point as any for right now.

by Tom Rinaldo 2007-02-08 08:01AM | 0 recs

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