Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

by Todd Smyth, Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 05:09:13 PM EDT

In the past few months Hillary Clinton:

Lied about her opposition to the war in Iraq
Lied about ducking sniper fire in Bosnia
Lied about her opposition to NAFTA
Lied about negotiating peace in Ireland
Lied about creating SCHIP
Lied about passing FMLA
Lied about intervention in Rwanda
Lied about being first to call Darfur genocide
Lied about helping Kosovo refugees in Macedonia
Planted questions in her own town hall meetings

She was caught red handed each time and she is still running for president? Am I missing something? Why are we still talking about primary polls and delegates and not talking about how Obama will beat John McCain in November?

Sources:

Hillary's Just Making It Up As She Goes Along - Bloomberg
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2 0601039&refer=columnist_carlson& emo.com/2008/04/hospital_says_story_told _by_hi.php

In Oregon, Clinton Makes False Claim About Her Iraq Record Vs. Obama's - ABC News
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/04/in-oregon-clint.html

CBS Exposes Hillary Clinton Bosnia Trip - CBS News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5h g4

Hillary Clinton's NAFTA Story Exposed - MSNBC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BrPZYbCd J4

Hillary's Lies: Darfur, Rwanda, Bosnia
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/03/ 24/134622.php

Obama Camp's Response: Bosnia, SCHIP, FMLA - TIME
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics /2008/03/obama_camps_response.html

CNN Interviews Student Who asks Hillary a Planted Question - CNN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fr1dm2Qd ls&feature=related

Tags: 2008, Barck, clinton, Hillary, obama, Presidential, whoppers (all tags)

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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

the hospital story may not have been as false as originally reported

at this point I would call it a wash and leave it alone, its only going to get more confusing and complicated,

basically BOTH Hillary AND the Media screwed up at some parts.

by TruthMatters 2008-04-07 05:10PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

The Columbia story is growing legs right now

by Andre X 2008-04-07 05:12PM | 0 recs
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It's still a lie and should have been checked

by Todd Smyth 2008-04-07 05:16PM | 0 recs
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Re: It's still a lie and should have been checked

Hey maybe you should watch the video below :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wqpEt_Cd Bk

Now after seeing that video you still insist she lied , plus the washington post story , then I would know you are wasting my spare time.

At some point you would have to elevate your comments from the kindergarten level and be able to process new information and adjust your thinking based on that.

Its not enough to just insist " its still a lie " in the face of new evidence.

by lori 2008-04-07 05:25PM | 0 recs
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Re: It's still a lie and should have been checked

"...elevate your comments from the kindergarten level..."

Do you make such comments towards Clinton supporters who drown us with the same old arguments and refuse to accept new information?

by hootie4170 2008-04-07 05:44PM | 0 recs
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I already took it off before you posted above com

by Todd Smyth 2008-04-07 05:51PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

and except for Bosnia, at most I would say she overstated things or exaggerated stories

Bosnia is the only thing I would say she lied about.

by TruthMatters 2008-04-07 05:11PM | 0 recs
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Wishful thinking

by Todd Smyth 2008-04-07 05:14PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

Lied about hospital neglect in Ohio

- Clinton Told True Tale of Woe, Says Kin

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail /2008/04/07/clinton_told_true_tale_of_wo e.html

Stop embarassing yourself.

Almost all of what you have up there is nonsense.

by lori 2008-04-07 05:11PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

I gotta point out you said ALMOST all, meaning something up there isn't nonsense

my guess bosnia?

by TruthMatters 2008-04-07 05:13PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

I'll give you bosnia.

She deserves all the grief she gets on that one.

But anyone that calls the ohio story a lie is clearly not a serious person , especially when confronted with new information.

Even MSNBC who had been running with the story realized they have egg on their faces.

That station is devoid of credibility at this point.

by lori 2008-04-07 05:18PM | 0 recs
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Now did you notice how Lori

was able to say Clinton 'lied' or mis-spoke on an issue.  I am curious, can you do the same of Obama?  Did he lie when he told us that he was never in attendance for one of Reverend Wrights bombasts and then said he was- for instance?

by linc 2008-04-07 05:31PM | 0 recs
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Re: Now did you notice how Lori

Good Lord.

That's not what he said!!!

He said he wasn't in the pews for any of the sermons on the video clip.

He said he was in the pews when Wright has said controversial things.  

Is that so hard to understand?

by bawbie 2008-04-07 05:34PM | 0 recs
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OK
here are some from the Washington Post
Here the LA times lets us know how Obama is full of it.
Politico catches him and what seems half his campaign lying
and let us not forget him telling us repeatedly that he will get the troops out of Iraq in 16 months, but it turns out he really meant all of them but 60 to 80 thousand.
What color is your koolaid?
by linc 2008-04-07 07:25PM | 0 recs
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She'll be on the morning shows tomorrow

to back up the hospital story.

Bosnia: the visuals from that trip show military personnel surrounding her and Chelsea.

by catfish1 2008-04-07 05:47PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

Actually, most of those are absolutely correct.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-07 05:14PM | 0 recs
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I read that story, it's still a lie

repeated over and over.  It should have been checked.

by Todd Smyth 2008-04-07 05:14PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)
I will vote for Hillary in the GE, but Morning Joe actually got it right this morning that perception is reality. Her poll numbers in PA have peaked. The best she can hope for is to hold onto 54% There WILL NOT be a bigger than 55/45 split. She will only win PA by single digits, maybe even less than 5%. Her popular vote argument will die, and the "The Schakowsky eight" will endorse the next day. The perception that Hillary can't be trusted will not stick to her fans on DD, but it will in PA.
by Veteran75 2008-04-07 05:17PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

Yes, you are missing something ~ cognitive thought process, objective thinking skills, etc. etc.

by Mags 2008-04-07 05:21PM | 0 recs
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Take this trash down...talk about lying!

I am so sick of Obamacrats (as in the hijacked Dem Party by Obamaphiles) trashing this women I am spitting nails.

How dare you trash this public servant.  You and your kind truly make me sick.

by Shazone 2008-04-07 05:23PM | 0 recs
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Re: Take this trash down...talk about lying!

How dare she lie to us every single day and take us for simpletons!

by Andre X 2008-04-07 05:28PM | 0 recs
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Re: Take this trash down...talk about lying!

It is quite offensive.

by regina1983 2008-04-07 05:33PM | 0 recs
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Like how his parents met at Selma

or he "pushed the wrong button" six times in the Illinois leg? Or he doesn't take money from lobbyists?

He's blocking the votes of TWO BIG STATES - who is this guy kidding? Why won't he allow a revote to make his nomination legit?

by catfish1 2008-04-07 05:50PM | 0 recs
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What? change the subject much?

by Todd Smyth 2008-04-07 05:52PM | 0 recs
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So you admit he lies more

good to know.

by catfish1 2008-04-07 05:55PM | 0 recs
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Not that she LIES she got details wrong

whereas my parents met at Selma then later conceived me is hardly a detail.

by catfish1 2008-04-07 05:55PM | 0 recs
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Re: Not that she LIES she got details wrong

Obama never said they met at Selma. he was using Selma as a metaphor for the civil rights movement.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-07 07:05PM | 0 recs
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Re: Like how his parents met at Selma
He's not blocking a revote.  
That's just not true.
by bawbie 2008-04-07 05:52PM | 0 recs
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So, CNN, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, Bloomberg...

...are all lairs?

by Todd Smyth 2008-04-07 05:30PM | 0 recs
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Yes!

by CoyoteCreek 2008-04-07 05:39PM | 0 recs
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Re: Take this trash down...talk about lying!

Works both ways.  At least Obama has said Hillary would be qualified to be President.

by chewie5656 2008-04-07 05:32PM | 0 recs
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Re: Take this trash down...talk about lying!

Why are you allowed to trash a public servant?

by hootie4170 2008-04-07 06:21PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

Funny the NYT has an article saying HRC is i fact correct about the hospital story.  Thus, your post is a lie.  By your own defination you are a lair and as such, I must question why i should believe anything from someone who is caught in a lie.  Really you should check you sources better but since you didn't i have to assume you are lair.  I am sure you understand that I must hold you to the same standard that you hold others to.

And if you are lying about one thing i think it logical to assume you are lying about other things about HRC as well.  I am sorry but i really have no choice here.

peace out.

david

by giusd 2008-04-07 05:37PM | 0 recs
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Panic much?

by Todd Smyth 2008-04-07 05:40PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

I reread the original post to be sure and no, she didn't even mention the hospital story. She mentioned a bunch of other stories, though, which you didn't mention for some reason. Maybe you prefer to talk about one of Clinton's stories that turned out to be mostly true, but why not talk about some of the other ones in the post.

by Becky G 2008-04-07 05:44PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

The hospital story bore some relationship to reality but many details were not true.  

Yes, the young woman did not go to a particular hospital because she had owed it money.

However, that hospital did not "turn her away" when she went there because -- she didn't go there.

Also, contrary to Clinton's claims, the women did have health insurance at the time she sought help during the pregnancy.

Also, she did get into another hospital.

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Washington Post:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail /2008/04/07/clinton_told_true_tale_of_wo e.html
"At the time she went into debt to that hospital, Casto said, Bechtel was uninsured, though she later obtained health insurance and was insured at the time of her death. . . Casto said her niece, who suffered from preeclampsia during her pregnancy, did not seek care at the first hospital she when she fell ill because she knew she did not have the $100 out-of-pocket she believed she would need to be seen. Instead, she went to O'Bleness Memorial Hospital, where her baby was stillborn."

by politicsmatters 2008-04-07 07:07PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

You forgot Michigan were she stated "Certainly we know these elections won't count for anything."

Then the whole we should count the Michigan vote.

by hootie4170 2008-04-07 05:46PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

You also forgot that she said in the same interview that she was on the ballot because it was important that these individuals had a role in the convention and we could not expect to not seat them and win in Michigan in November. But hey, what's misreperesenting the facts if you're talking about Hillary, right?

by zcflint05 2008-04-07 05:49PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

If you read or listen to the whole conversation she stated that the Democratic Primary vote will not count for anything pertaining to the nomination process.  Her second statement was pointed at the GE in which she said she did not want to give the GOP a perceived advantage and was just a strategy for the GE.

by hootie4170 2008-04-07 06:06PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

The bottom line is, Hillary had her name on the ballot because she want the people of Michigan to know that their voices will be heard. Obama has stomped that--and now Senator Obama and his supporters will have to deal with being the camp that denied the voters of Michigan and Florida a say in one of the most hotly contested primaries in this party's history.

by zcflint05 2008-04-07 06:10PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

Having their voices heard is one thing but she said their vote for the Democratic wouldn't count toward electing the Democratic nominee.  I mean those are her words, and now she is going back on her word...Maybe this is why this happening "A recent Gallup Poll found that 53 percent of Americans think Clinton isn't "honest and trustworthy."

by hootie4170 2008-04-07 06:19PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

Unfortunatley for you, in terms of overall unfavorable ratings on a daily tracking basis, Obama's unfavorables are pretty close to Hillary's. What does that say for your canidiate?

by zcflint05 2008-04-07 06:25PM | 0 recs
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Let me give you the whole thing...April 6, 2008

A recent Gallup Poll found that 53 percent of Americans think Clinton isn't "honest and trustworthy." Just 29 percent said the same of her Democratic rival Barack Obama, and 27 percent said it of Republican John McCain.

Unfavorable:

McCain's 67 percent favorable rating over Sen. Barack Obama's 62 percent and Sen. Hillary Clinton's 53 percent, ties for his highest in Gallup polling history, the pollster said Tuesday.

Yeah, I can see how this is close.

by hootie4170 2008-04-07 07:24PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

In the past few months Barack Obama has:

Lied on NAFTA (on a nationally televised debate, no less)
Lied on his steadfast opposition to Iraq (He personally stated he didn't know how he would have voted in 04 and 06)
Lied on Wright (said he was never in a sermon where he said controversial things, then said he was)
Lied on Resko (Resko donated more than Bambi said he did)
Lied on being fluent in Indonesian as a child
Lied on parents concieving him in Selma

Do you really want to go down this trail? I think not. I'll debunk your baseless claims later, but rest assured, Senator Jesus has been doing more than his fair share of lying in this race.

by zcflint05 2008-04-07 05:48PM | 0 recs
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There's no comparison

you are halucinating

by Todd Smyth 2008-04-07 05:53PM | 0 recs
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Re: There's no comparison

Have you made your offering to Him today?

by zcflint05 2008-04-07 05:58PM | 0 recs
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Re: There's no comparison

Yes, by the way I bought a new shirt $20.  And donated $50 more which leaves me at $1,535 total.  I'm excited to know it's going to a great cause and not to paying the real problem with Clinton's campaign, Mark Penn.

I guess I would have a hard time know that 5 cents of every dollar I was giving to Clinton campaign was going to that jackass.  (7 million total).

by hootie4170 2008-04-07 06:14PM | 0 recs
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Re: There's no comparison

And you jackasses ask why we don't want to vote for Lord Obama?

by zcflint05 2008-04-07 06:26PM | 0 recs
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Re: There's no comparison

Could you please cut out the childish insulting name-calling?

by bawbie 2008-04-07 06:28PM | 0 recs
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Bambi?  Senator Jesus? What are you, five?  Come on, grow up.

I'd debunk your bullshit but you aren't worth my time.

by bawbie 2008-04-07 05:55PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

I was going to go point by point and debunk this worthless stuff, but I realize that that semi-legitimizes your hate speech and deep seeded inner hatred for Hillary Clinton. There's nothing that can be done to change your mind.

by zcflint05 2008-04-07 05:58PM | 0 recs
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It's her lying that changed my mind

I remember in 1992 when she said everyone in Arkansas calls each other "Honey."  I was partly impressed but could hardly believe you could tell a whopper like that on national TV and get away with it.

by Todd Smyth 2008-04-07 06:19PM | 0 recs
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Re: It's her lying that changed my mind

If you're taking that she was serious and that was 100% true, you're in serious need of medications for "Clinton derangement syndrome". It must hurt to have all that hate in your heart.

by zcflint05 2008-04-07 06:30PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)
If you're going to write a diary, couldn't you at least use complete sentences? Your bullet-point format comes across as somewhat lazy.
by sricki 2008-04-07 06:32PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

I deleted my rebuttal diary with the list of Obama lies.

PLEASE DELETE THIS HIT PIECE.

by TexasDarlin 2008-04-07 07:36PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

So are you folks getting your Hillary lies from the MSM? just wondering. Great Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2 iM&eurl=http://taylormarsh.com/

enjoy.

by artsykr 2008-04-07 07:51PM | 0 recs
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Sick of hearing about

various Gates
visit my D&D diary.  It is completely silly and should give you a laugh.

link:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/7/18452 7/6672

This diary has been hijacked in the sake of unity.

Peace.

by Student Guy 2008-04-07 10:39PM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

I feel like I am in a time-warp and watching the 2000 election.  There are so many similarities, it's scary.  Now we have the "serial liar" argument they used on Gore being used on Clinton (with an assist from other Democrats - thanks a bunch).  How did it work out in 2000 and 2004 for us when we let the media define our candidates?  First Gore, then the "Dean scream", which was played 24/7, then the swiftboaters - who didn't need any funding to run their commercials, since the media ran it for them nonstop.  Now they try yet again to damage Clinton and count her out ahead of a primary (what's this - 3rd time? 4th time?). Well, once the primaries are over, I'll be curious to see what they do (media) to fill up their time, but I'm sure it will be damaging to our candidate.

by AnnC 2008-04-08 05:27AM | 0 recs
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Re: Am I missing something? (Hillary?)

jeeeeaassssuuuuuzzzzz christ

I feel like I have roamed into the freeper site.

what is wrong with some of you?  

seriously - what is your major malfunction here?

by colebiancardi 2008-04-08 06:30AM | 0 recs

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