Obama just RIPPED into McCain Updated with video!

If people are worried about Obama being swiftboated, they should hear the clips from his town hall today.  He's been impressive, showing the emotion that he sometimes seems to suppress too much.

He kept linking George Bush and John McCain over and over again.  "If George Bush and John McCain want to have a debate on protecting America, that's a debate I'll be glad to have happen." "Our Iran policy is a complete failure...  I'm running to change course, not continue George Bush's course"

Moreover, he's on top of things.  He pointed out the McCain Hammas video that's been making the rounds on blogs.  He mocked McCain's 2013 ad, pointing out that McCain pointed to goals but didn't say how any of them were happening.

It was great.  It's going to be fun to watch over the next few months.  

Watch it yourself:

Tags: general election (all tags)

Comments

133 Comments

Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain

He really beat the crap out of them (Bush and McCain, especially McCain). And, he even brought up the McCain interview re: Hamas that surfaced yesterday. Good job.

by DPW 2008-05-16 08:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain

I see that you mention the Hamas interview in your diary, so I look pretty dumb bringing it up like news. Well, that's what I get for posting before completely reading your diary.

by DPW 2008-05-16 08:41AM | 0 recs
I loved this

"If George Bush and John McCain want to have a debate about protecting the United States of America, that is a debate I am happy to have any time, any place, and that is a debate that I will win, because George Bush and John McCain have a lot to answer for."

How long have we needed a Dem to stand up and say that in a way where people will actually listen?

by Rorgg 2008-05-16 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: I loved this

That was so cathartic for me.  I literally screamed with joy.

FINALLY!

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-16 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: I loved this

Yes,Yes, YES  We have a great candidate.

by Politicalslave 2008-05-16 12:22PM | 0 recs
w00t !!!!



You won't believe it - the MSM is going WILD!


They're like raising the roof - it's like the scene in "Mr. Roberts" when the sailors go on liberty.


MSNBC anchors Contessa Brewer and Julie Mason were waving the arms in triumph and openly MOCKING at McSame.

► check out the look on Romeny's face - best look EVAH!

► CNN just ran a photo of McSame and he looks like a STUNNED carp!

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-16 12:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain
I feel compelled to recommend any diary that contains the word "moreover."
Good job, Z!
by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-05-16 05:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain

It is fun. Obama was holding back because of respect for Hillary but ole man gramps has it coming big time.

I'ts going to be a really fun summer.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-16 08:39AM | 0 recs
Oh, LOL.

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-16 08:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, LOL.

Uprated because although "oh, lol" adds nothing to the discussion I don't agree it deserves an HR.

by Mobar 2008-05-16 08:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, LOL.

Did I stutter? It's going to be a blast! You can either sit this one out and cry yourself to sleep or tag along and enjoy the ride.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-16 08:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, LOL.

I can't imagine being on the sidelines fuming this election season! This is gonna be a glorious ride...to sit out is the equivalent of refusing to eat chocolate cake because you didn't like the vegetables served beforehand.

by terra 2008-05-16 09:07AM | 0 recs
Food metaphors deserve mojo

That one was delicious.  :)

by protothad 2008-05-16 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, LOL.

What's funny?

by heresjohnny 2008-05-16 09:06AM | 0 recs
This is hysterical!

"Obama was holding back because of respect for Hillary..."

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-16 04:22PM | 0 recs
Wow - he wants to debate McCain, but not

HRC.  So Hillary scares him?

And now "he's on top of things"...for the first time since the campaign started.

A little late, don't 'ya think?

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-16 08:40AM | 0 recs
So bitter, so sad.

She's lost. If you're a Democrat, get over it and start supporting the party's nominee.

by Firewall 2008-05-16 08:41AM | 0 recs
Re: So bitter, so sad.

NEVER

by gunner 2008-05-16 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: So bitter, so sad.

then go be a Republican; we don't need the division that you are bringing to the party.

I love HRC and would have been thrilled to vote for her in the GE but it is not going to happen. So get on board or get out of the way.

by JDF 2008-05-16 11:12AM | 0 recs
Here's some more insight

Then go here:

www.freerepublic.com

Or how about here:

www.redstate.org

This is another nice one for those who won't support Obama:

www.littlegreenfootballs.com

And this blogger is really perceptive about Obama:

www.michellemalkin.com

And for some high-minded analysis, try:

www.hughhewitt.com

And then there's the godfather of anti-Obamaism:

www.rushlimbaugh.com

Go and check them out! You can get all the ammunition you need in your rejection of Barack Obama.

by elrod 2008-05-16 04:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow - he wants to debate McCain, but not

What would be the point of Obama ripping Hillary? Democrats are on the same team.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-16 08:42AM | 0 recs
Oh no we're not!

And you will realize that in November if BO is the Dem nominee.

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-16 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh no we're not!

We may not be on the same team, but I hope we'll share an adversary when November rolls around.

by jontabb 2008-05-16 09:09AM | 0 recs
You're voting against BO, too?

Wow.  Great!

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-16 09:52AM | 0 recs
hey

Judge Holden/grendel was misunderstood/John Wesley Hardin Was a Friend to the Poor/TJJefferson (and loads of other nom de guerres).

look at my sig...

I could quote Todd too about this matter in his dealing with Little Otter...

by Student Guy 2008-05-16 10:30AM | 0 recs
Re: hey

Ooohh. I missed it.  What up with Todd and Little Otter.  DO tell...

by fogiv 2008-05-16 11:15AM | 0 recs
May I second that....

Little Otter has been among the worst divisive figures on this blog.  What happened?  Did the Otter get even further diminished?  Was he/she banned?

by nklein 2008-05-16 06:23PM | 0 recs
I'm committed to electing a Dem...her name is

Hillary Clinton.

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-16 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm committed to electing a Dem...her name is

Too late.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-16 02:27PM | 0 recs
No it's not!

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-16 02:46PM | 0 recs
Ok. If she concedes and asks you to

support the her beliefs and positions by voting for the Democratic nominee will you?

by heresjohnny 2008-05-16 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh no we're not!

Then get out of our party; we don't need the divisiveness and we don't need the gigantic attitude problem.

There are plenty of reasons to love HRC and I share many of them with you; however, to think that McCain is the better choice you would have to be an idiot or a republican; so which is it?

by JDF 2008-05-16 11:14AM | 0 recs
Get out if you hate the Democratic Party so much.

 But gracefully.

by xdem 2008-05-16 11:59AM | 0 recs
are you going to work for Dems

to win seats in Congress?

by Carl Nyberg 2008-05-16 12:26PM | 0 recs
Depends on who they supported in

the primary.

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-16 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Depends on who they supported in

Fair weather Democrats are probably going to get banned from this site pretty soon.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-16 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Depends on who they supported in

If a Democrat wasn't a HRC partisan, you won't help them beat Republicans for Congress?

by Carl Nyberg 2008-05-16 02:54PM | 0 recs
No, I won't help them.

You think I'm going to donate time and money and even a thought to people like them?  Why would I give anyone like that "help"?

They will have made their bed...now they can lie in it.

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-16 03:30PM | 0 recs
No, if a downticket Dem was a BO

partisan I won't support them.

They could have just stayed neutral and let the voters have their say.

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-16 04:46PM | 0 recs
Re: No, if a downticket Dem was a BO

The voters did have their say. That's why they're called "voters".

And you didn't say you'd only support those who were neutral.  Are you going to go against all those who endorsed HRC, too?  If not, then the "don't give your opinion because others with busy lives might value your expert opinion" argument (which is nonsense to begin with) is just a smokescreen.

by kmj2l 2008-05-16 10:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh no we're not!

Subject: Troll

Status: Outed

by elrod 2008-05-16 04:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow - he wants to debate McCain, but not

How many times can we go over the slight differences in health care again?

by thezzyzx 2008-05-16 08:44AM | 0 recs
15,000,000 times - that the number of

Americans that Obama's plan won't cover.

Shame on him.

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-16 08:55AM | 0 recs
Re: 15,000,000 times - that the number of

0 - the number of americans McCain will cover.

by AlyoshaPo 2008-05-16 09:04AM | 0 recs
Re: 15,000,000 times - that the number of

ZERO is the number of Americans that Hillary got covered when she blew the best chance for extending Healthcare to more Americans in decades during the Clinton administration. Just because it's a campaign promise doesn't mean it will become a reality.

Considering how she ran her campaign she has not become anymore competent at handling major national initiatives then she was when she screwed up the Clinton Health care initiative.

by hankg 2008-05-16 09:16AM | 0 recs
Ever hear of JIM COOPER?

He's BO's CHIEF ADVISER on health care and a person who brags that he SINGLEHANDEDLY killed the Clinton plans in the '90's.

Now, let's talk agian about who will do the most for health care for this nation....Clinton - again - or Barack "Jim Cooper" Obama?

And you wonder why we think he lies.  You are judged by the company you keep!

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-16 09:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Ever hear of JIM COOPER?

Yes I have heard of Jim Cooper and Hillary lost not only Jim Cooper who had a plan that Hillary arrogantly tossed without consideration but a good part of the Democratic congress. Doesn't say much for Hillary's leadership skills.

by hankg 2008-05-16 10:31AM | 0 recs
The same question, Ever hear of JIM COOPER?

Oh yeah,  he was the one who went to the whitehouse to discuss his healthcare initiative with Hillary,  after she tried to bypass it with her own.

Why would she do that?  Either because his healthcare initiative would not offer complete universal healthcare until 1998, or because those with large egos wanted the credit for authoring such an important bill.

Either way, he warned her that she wouldn't be able to obtain the support for her bill in congress but his bill might be able to pass.  It had already garnered a lot of bi-partisan support, having achieved 58 co-sponsors in the house (26 republican 32 democrats)

According to Cooper, at this point she proceeded to tell him that she and her husband would pass their healthcare reform and if he pressed his bill they would crush him politically. They tried, setting up a war room to oppose Cooper's '94 senate bid.   He lost, perhaps largely on his own, but not entirely without the influence of the Clintons.

I find it really odd that you would #1 bring it up #2 try to find a way to make her the victim in the situation.

by Tenafly Viper 2008-05-16 12:41PM | 0 recs
And he's not a chief adviser,he's a top surrogate.

by Tenafly Viper 2008-05-16 12:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow - he wants to debate McCain, but not

Maybe you missed it... Obama and Hillary debated 20 times.

Also, I'd say his delegate lead, his fundraising lead, and his strategy lead show he was on top of things all along.

by mattw 2008-05-16 08:44AM | 0 recs
No, it just correlates to gallons of Kool-Aide

consumed.

The man has never been able to talk policy - and all you boyz do is tell us to go and read web sites written by his advisers.

Not good enough to be POTUS at this time in our Nation's history.

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-16 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: No, it just correlates to gallons of Kool-Aide

Sour grapes.

Hillary lost, get over it.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-16 08:58AM | 0 recs
Re: No, it just correlates to gallons of Kool-Aide

Are we going to let this bitter moron take over this blog?

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-05-16 05:42PM | 0 recs
Perceptions of candidate supporters

I see lots of complaints on both sides that the other candidate's supporters are all rude/sexist/racist/smelly ... etc.  But as we can see with this thread, it doesn't take very many users to create an impression.  Sometimes all it takes is one person with too much time.  Those people who decide they can never support a candidate based on how a few of their supporters behaved on a blog are being illogical and down right silly.  Blogs aren't the real world, and the noisiest of the posters do not represent the true nature of the majority of those who surf... and certainly not the majority who support a candidate.  Too often it seems the anonymity of the web amplifies the worst of our behavior.

by protothad 2008-05-16 06:23PM | 0 recs
Re: No, it just correlates to gallons of Kool-Aide

Obama just talked for 10 minutes on farm policy going into excruciating detail.

by thezzyzx 2008-05-16 08:59AM | 0 recs
link?

Hey, not wanting to be a pest, but is there an online link to the speech?

I'm really trying to keep up on his farm policy stances.

Thanks.

by emptythreatsfarm 2008-05-16 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: link?

It was streaming live on CNN.  I don't know if anyone is capturing it.

by thezzyzx 2008-05-16 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: link?

Thank you!

by emptythreatsfarm 2008-05-16 09:21AM | 0 recs
Re: No, it just correlates to gallons of Kool-Aide

I love how you hardcore Hillary supporter constantly say "boyz" (with Z! ooooh!) as if only boys support Obama - not that you don't roundly deride the women who do, too.

by terra 2008-05-16 09:08AM | 0 recs
Thank you.

I just made a comment about how Alegre always does that in her posts, only to have a fellow female refer to me as sweety in the most patronizing fashion.

I wish they would realize that tone is offensive, no matter who is on the receiving end.  It's no less sexist to refer to men as boys.

by Tenafly Viper 2008-05-16 01:32PM | 0 recs
I agree

I am so sick of reading "you boys". Why are the Hillary suppoters alwasy saying that?

by Deano963 2008-05-16 04:45PM | 0 recs
We need to lose the generalizing

I've criticized Clinton supporters for making insulting generalizations about Obama supporters, so I think its only fair to speak up here when the reverse is done.  Not all Clinton supporters use that sort of language.  We need to avoid making those sorts of generalizations; they only get in the way of reaching mutual understanding on the issues we all support and unifying in our fight to defeat McCain and the Neocons.  It is fair to call out the inappropriate actions of individuals, but lets not cast them as failings of all supporters of a candidate.

Just a thought.

by protothad 2008-05-16 06:32PM | 0 recs
Re: No, it just correlates to gallons of Kool-Aide

Sexist troll.

I am a man.  Treat me with the respect an adult is due.

Or should I call you "girl"?

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-16 09:16AM | 0 recs
just go with "dipshit"

and leave gender out of it.  That's my advice.

by JJE 2008-05-16 10:11AM | 0 recs
Respect is earned. Demanding doesn;t help.

by itsadryheat 2008-05-16 01:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Respect is earned. Demanding doesn;t help.

Quite right, quite right.

You would do well to remember it.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-16 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: No, it just correlates to gallons of Kool-Aide

I can say that the only thing I am topically an expert on - which is telecommunications/net neutrality/IP - Obama is one of the most informed politicians I've ever heard.

Most serious economists I've read think Obama's grasp of economics is better as well. (Although most economists have little good to say about Obama, Clinton, or McCain)

by mattw 2008-05-16 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: No, it just correlates to gallons of Kool-Aide

A couple of nobel prize winning economists surprised the hosts on CNBC when they asked who they preferred they endorsed Obama.

by hankg 2008-05-16 10:33AM | 0 recs
"Kool-Aide," "Boyz"

Sexism is a two-lane road, and yours reeks.

by Shem 2008-05-16 12:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow - he wants to debate McCain, but not

Whatever works! He beat her fair and sqaure with less agressive tactics. Just goes to show you.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-16 08:53AM | 0 recs
How can you diss Obama's campaigning?

Are you saying Obama hasn't been "on top of things" during the Dem primary?

What's it say about HRC that she got beat by a first-term U.S. Senator who wasn't "on top of things" during the primary?

I see no credible way for HRC supporters to attack Obama on his campaigning acumen without implicitly slamming HRC more.

by Carl Nyberg 2008-05-16 09:01AM | 0 recs
Clinton should have never hired Penn

Well, I'm an Obama supporter, but I honestly think Clinton might have pulled this thing off if she had not put her faith in the idiot Mark Penn.  She is a hell of a campaigner, but she never really hit her stride until the last few primaries when it was too late.  Penn tried to run their campaign like it was a general election bid... got completely blindsided by the Obama team and their better grasp of the primary system.

by protothad 2008-05-16 06:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow - he wants to debate McCain, but not

A little late? Only if he wasn't the presumptive nominee...

by heresjohnny 2008-05-16 09:06AM | 0 recs
Spelling, Johnny. It's 'presumptuous' nominee.

No vote...no nominee.  We don't even know yet how many delegates there will be at the conventions, so we can't know if a majority of them will vote for Obama till their votes are counted.

 What's with this guy?

Doesn't want the votes counted.

Doesn't want the elections completed.

Doesn't want votes certified to be awarded but wants votes he never earned from a ballot he wasn't on.

Wants Black votes for him to count 3 times more than Latino votes for Hillary

and sees nothing to object to when both primaries and caucuses are run in a state and he does hugely better in the caucus than when many more people showed up for a secret ballot in an audited process and proof of registration.

Wants only 'pledged' delegates to count

and only allow the supers to vote their districts' will.....till their districts willed Hillary...

 He can't be a democrat because he is not really into democracy and the democratic process.

by itsadryheat 2008-05-16 01:23PM | 0 recs
Sigh

He's already won. You're wasting precious pixels.

by Rationalisto 2008-05-16 02:33PM | 0 recs
I know, what a shame...

we've never seen an Obama/Hillary debate.

by Tenafly Viper 2008-05-16 12:10PM | 0 recs
Yup, the GE is on.

Cannot wait until he can devote all his resources to tackling Ol' Man McCain.

by Firewall 2008-05-16 08:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain

Anyone who thinks that Obama is going to be some naive lamb, that's going to get slaughtered by the Repug 'slice, dice and smear' machine, will have another thing coming in this general election.

by toyomama 2008-05-16 08:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain

That was awesome.

He just pounded the ** out of them!

Yes!

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-16 08:46AM | 0 recs
McCain replied. Nailed Obama.

John McCain:

...the American People have every reason to doubt whether he (Senator Obama) has the strength, the judgement and the determination to keep America safe...

...I risked my life for this country...

...nothing is more important than her safety...

by itsadryheat 2008-05-16 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain replied. Nailed Obama.

Nailed him?

You seem a little to happy about McCain's response even when it
is nothing new nor particulary insightful.

You have a trollish quality to yourself.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-16 02:26PM | 0 recs
Thanks for proving your Trolliness, now go ahead

and GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

We elect democrats here slimebag

by KLRinLA 2008-05-16 02:27PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain replied. Nailed Obama.

John McCain has judgment? Right.

John McCain has determination? That's why he flip-flopped on negotiations with Hamas.

Yes, McCain risked his life for his country 40 years ago. But this is a contest for President of the United States and war heroism is not the only determinative qualification. Just ask George McGovern.

McCain can claim nothing is more important than Ameria's safety, but his judgment and temperament prove that he is unable to protect this country.

by elrod 2008-05-16 04:49PM | 0 recs
Here's something interesting...

... on McCain...

Puffing up John McCain, POW

...

McCain knew that what he was doing was wrong. Three months before he fell into that Hanoi lake, he barely survived when his fellow sailors accidentally fired a missile at his plane while it was getting ready to take off from his ship. The blast set off bombs and ordnance across the deck of the aircraft carrier. The conflagration, which took 24 hours to bring under control, killed 132 sailors. A few days later, a shaken McCain told a New York Times reporter in Saigon: "Now that I've seen what the bombs and the napalm did to the people on our ship, I'm not so sure that I want to drop any more of that stuff on North Vietnam."

Yet he did.

"I am a war criminal," McCain said on "60 Minutes" in 1997. "I bombed innocent women and children." Although it came too late to save the Vietnamese he'd killed 30 years earlier, it was a brave statement. Nevertheless, he smiles agreeably as he hears himself described as a "war hero" as he arrives at rallies in a bus marked "No Surrender."

McCain's tragic flaw: He knows the right thing. He often sets out to do the right thing. But he doesn't follow through. We saw McCain's weak character in 2000, when the Bush campaign defeated him in the crucial South Carolina primary by smearing his family. Placing his presidential ambitions first, he swallowed his pride, set aside his honor, and campaigned for Bush against Al Gore. It came up again in 2005, when McCain used his POW experience as a POW to convince Congress to pass, and Bush to sign, a law outlawing torture of detainees at Guantánamo and other camps. But when Bush issued one of his infamous "signing statements" giving himself the right to continue torturing-in effect, negating McCain's law-he remained silent, sucking up to Bush again.

...

The whole thing is pretty interesting.

by kraant 2008-05-17 04:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain
Bush-McCain
Bush-McCain
Bush-McCain
Bush-McCain
Bush-McCain
Bush-McCain
Bush-McCain
Bush-McCain
by Pat Flatley 2008-05-16 08:50AM | 0 recs
this is not what Obama is
going to be swift-boated on.  It is the Rev Wright and the domestic terrorists friends that will do him in.
The right wing has been pouring over his church videos for stuff that will hurt him and I assume they have found more gold in them there tapes.  
by TeresaInPa 2008-05-16 08:52AM | 0 recs
Re: this is not what Obama is

It hasn't worked yet. It's not like Hillary hasn't tried.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-16 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: this is not what Obama is

You can't live in perpetual fear of the "big bad Republicans."  We've had enough of that as Democrats.  We are going to beat the living crap out of them this year.  Enough.

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-16 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: this is not what Obama is

I agree. The time where we allow the Republicans to make decisions for us based on our fear of their reaction is DONE.

We now are going to be the ones forcing them to explain their absurd "rhich people > everyone else" philosophy to the people of this country.

by Darknesse 2008-05-16 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: this is not what Obama is

Not to mention their lust for lots more war.

by Tatan 2008-05-16 10:03AM | 0 recs
Re: this is not what Obama is

Yeah some old guy who was a lefty radical in the 60's and who is now a professor and a crazy preacher is really going to do him in.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-16 09:07AM | 0 recs
Re: this is not what Obama is

No, it won't.

by zonk 2008-05-16 09:07AM | 0 recs
Re: this is not what Obama is

so Republicans are tougher than your "fighter" Hillary?

by terra 2008-05-16 09:10AM | 0 recs
No. They fight dirty like Obama. He can't take it

by itsadryheat 2008-05-16 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: No. They fight dirty like Obama. He can't tak

That doesn't make any sense. Wright & Rezko were all over the news and Clinton most certainly brought it up repeatedly. And Farrakhan and Ayers. But it didn't work.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-16 02:33PM | 0 recs
Re: No. They fight dirty like Obama. He can't tak

lol

by switching sides 2008-05-16 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: No. They fight dirty like Obama. He can't tak

Exactly.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-17 07:42AM | 0 recs
The voters in MS-01 beg to differ

by Purplepeople 2008-05-16 09:16AM | 0 recs
The voters in MS-01 are

now the standard by which we should gauge 'good democrats'. And West Virginny, too.

We have entered the twilight zone.

by xdem 2008-05-16 12:04PM | 0 recs
Are you deliberately missing my point?

Or did you really not understand? In case of the latter, the republicans ran exactly the Rev. Wright is a scary black man who knows Barack Obama script and failed miserably.

So, to turn your comment around, if this strategy was going to work anywhere...

by Purplepeople 2008-05-16 06:28PM | 0 recs
Reruns

They are going to rerun the Clinton campaign only not as smart, not as slick and a whole lot cruder then the Clintons did it, with a Republican in a year when the Republican tag is about as popular as herpes.

Yeah, that will work.

by hankg 2008-05-16 09:21AM | 0 recs
Re: this is not what Obama is

Teresa? If Obama is the democratic nominee will you fight against the Republican swift-boating? By the way, if there was more gold we would have heard it already.

by batgirl71 2008-05-16 11:27AM | 0 recs
The gold is in Chicago. Have you checked?

Check out the Republican journals.  They are all over the investigations of political coruption in Chicago and the plans to put Obama into the presidency as well as how they used him in the state senate he wouln't release records on.

But they know the names and are thrilled at the nationalities and connections of some of the characters.  Starting with Rezko, the Syrian and then on to the Iraqi Saddam associate to the Iranians and the Hamas guy. They already know so much more than Obama's supporters do about Ayers and Dorhn.  They know Obama worked for Ayers for 8 years and Michelle got hired at Dorhn's law firm where Ayers'family was the largest client.  They hired Obama for a summer intern at the firm after his first year of law school.  They introduced and sponsored the Obamas and threw the launch of Obama's political career to present him to their friends and contacts to fund his campaign.

Obama has never run a contessted election.  He got picked for the state senate job by the woman leaving it, Alice Palmer.  He later got four rivals thrown off of the ballot, including Palmer, and under the bus.So he had no real competition.  She is a big Hillary supporter now that her chosen one is running for President.  They have the recent photo of Ayers stomping on the flag as one of their illustrations.  Ayers actually admitted making and planting bombs and is unrepentant, saying that they didn't do enough of it.  Obama tried to dismiss him as 'some guy who lives in my neighborhood' and some guy I went to a few board meetings with'.

That is kind of like..'my relationship with Rezko was five hours of legal work for a non profit organization'.  Nothing about buying his house with him and Rezko setting up the major relationship between Middle Eastern contractors doing business with the state and letters to state offices for the contractors and helping get their choices on regulatory boards and the who mess.

It is all being researched and they are so eager to talk about this stuff that Hannity and others are barely holding back untill Obana gets the nomination.

If we spend our creative energy arguing and not researching at least as avidly as the Republicans do and dealing with the reality of what we find, then we have earned what we get.

They are a lot more willing to bring this stuff out that the Clintons ever were.  Better to get informed, do the research and get ready to respond than to dream and pretend..if you expect him to become the nominee and get elected.

What specific action do you look most forward to having him actually do in office and what do you base your expectation that he will/can do it on?
Can't get most supporters to say.

by itsadryheat 2008-05-16 01:55PM | 0 recs
Is that you Karl Rove?? Aren't you suppossed to

report to Congress? Hey wait a minute, what is that, ohh, gag, what's that smel??  Oh no, its not Karl it's an ugly troll! Get outta here, you know you're not allowed to come out from under the bridge, get back there with the rest of your friends: Taylor Marsh, H is 44, and other freepers

by KLRinLA 2008-05-16 02:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Is that you Karl Rove?? Aren't you suppossed t

I second that.

This freeper must go!

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-16 02:47PM | 0 recs
Back to kos

Go back to Kos, trolls.  We dont want you here.

by switching sides 2008-05-16 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Back to kos

I think you might want to take up "we" with the owners of the site, who have all said this is a Democratic blog, and its here to elect Democrats. This isn't your personal anti-Obama feces-flinging chamber, no matter how comfortable you might have felt doing that over the last few months.

by upstate girl 2008-05-16 06:38PM | 0 recs
Re: The gold is in Chicago. Have you checked?

Why read it on the Republican journals?  I can read the same stuff on the the pro-Hillary ones.  It didn't do her campaign any good.

And be thankful for that.  Her associations were never brought into question, and they would have been had any of your smears started to sink Obama.  For every Rezko she has a million Norman Hsus.  For every William Ayers she was a dozen WU and FALN members.

If you think the GOP doesn't know about that - and by the looks of things, I dont' think you do either - then you're going to spend the rest of this election the way you've spent it so far: hopelessly trying to catch up.

by Jess81 2008-05-16 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: The gold is in Chicago. Have you checked?

You're talking to a Chicagoan so that shit isn't going to fly. And wow are you wrong on your basic facts! Our local papers have been all over, and I mean all over, the Rezko & Obama question and have both found nothing there. The Rezko trial has ended here in Chicago and there was nada about Obama.

As for the Ayers stuff, you should stop getting your facts from Hannity and the right-wing nut jobs on the Internet. These facts are indisputable. Obama never worked for Bernadine Dohrn. Bernardine Dohrn was an associate at Sidley & Austin, one of the largest law firms, from 1984-1988. Obama was a summer intern at Sidley the summer of 1989 (LA Times and others have got this wrong as 1988--Obama entered law school in Fall 1988 so he wouldn't be interning until summer 1989) where Michelle was assigned as his mentor. She graduated from Harvard Law School in 1988 and went to work for Sidley until 1991. Also Sidley & Austin is in no way Dohrn's law firm; she was just another associate there at a law firm that is one of the biggest in the world. By the way since leaving Sidley Ms. Dohrn has devoted her life to pro bono law work in children's rights.

As for his connections will Ayers, yep they crossed paths, even, god forbid, served on a charity board together. Can you believe it! Charity! How dare he. Alice Palmer was the one who set up the meeting at the Ayers home to introduce Obama to the community. And while their children attended the same school they did not attend at the same time. Ayers/Dohrn's kids are all grown up. By the way, the University of Chicago Lab School is one of the top private schools in the city. I have crossed paths with Ayers too. I took a class with him at the University of Illinois at Chicago. My sister has worked with Dohrn in legal aid work. Neither my sister or I are radicals or approve of their history or their current views. There is nothing here except a lame attempt at guilt by association by yelling wrong info enough that it sticks.

If you are a Clinton supporter (and not a troll) then you should know better than anyone about the bullshit Republican right-wing smear machine. Or maybe they are right and the Clintons had Vince Foster killed. You tell me.

Get a life. You're losing it.

by batgirl71 2008-05-16 05:40PM | 0 recs
Re: The gold is in Chicago. Have you checked?

By the way I just realized that Bernardine Dohrn worked at the NEW YORK office of Sidley & Austin not Chicago so it is highly unlikely that Michelle Obama and Dohrn would have crossed paths in 1988 especially given that Michelle would have been a first year law associate.

Do you really believe that crap out there?

by batgirl71 2008-05-16 05:53PM | 0 recs
AYERS family was oneof the largest clients.

Hired both Michelle and Barack and handled extensive business for Ayers family including Bill's father and brother.  They were the firm's largest or near largest client. Normally a first year law student would not be considered at all for internship and no intern who had not already distinguished himself.  Barack really lucked out, again.

by itsadryheat 2008-05-25 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: The gold is in Chicago. Have you checked?

batgirl, sweetheart,

you need to get your facts straight and stop drinking the kool aid, pumpkin.

It's not good for you, darling.

...

Oh, I apologize for those sexist remarks.  Sometimes that stuff just slips out.

by switching sides 2008-05-16 06:10PM | 0 recs
Re: The gold is in Chicago. Have you checked?

switching sides,

You shouldn't frak with a librarian; you'll always lose. As for facts I can prove beyond any doubt everything I have wrote. Can you?

by batgirl71 2008-05-16 07:29PM | 0 recs
Re: The gold is in Chicago. Have you checked?

Mmmm, a librarian.

by switching sides 2008-05-17 04:52AM | 0 recs
You're wrong. Dohrn and Obama in 1988.

by itsadryheat 2008-05-25 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: The gold is in Chicago. Have you checked?
Fear, Fear, and Fear. We are not afraid anymore.
Obama will lead us out of this mess.
by Politicalslave 2008-05-17 05:03AM | 0 recs
Forewarned is forearmed.. Not looking is...

by itsadryheat 2008-05-25 02:46PM | 0 recs
Re: this is not what Obama is

No doubt they will try that angle; but Obama as well as Democratic leaders have made it clear that ain't going to fly.  Without question, the Republican party has made their gains by scaring the hell out of everybody and telling us they are the party that will keep us safe.  

Obama has made it clear that he is going to expose that for the lie it is.  Bush/McCain and the R party have made us less safe, less secure, and their rhetoric is hollow.  Obama clearly intends to expose those lies, and I seriously doubt he will allow Americans to be distracted from that message by who once knew who.

by rb608 2008-05-16 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain

THAT IS THE BEST F*CKING NEWS I HEARD ALL DAY

ITS PAYBACK TIME BITCHES  

BUSH MCCain got something coming to them  

by wellinformed 2008-05-16 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain

I was watching and thinking "Hit him hard!"

And he did hit him pretty hard.  He pointed to McCain's hypocrisy, agreement for his position from Bush's own cabinet, Bush's FAILURE as a foreign policy leader, and the utter lack of respect that making such comments in front of a foreign parliament carries with it.  

This reminds me of The Dixie Chicks being trashed for insulting Bush in front of a UK audience, yet I'm sure none of those who felt that was wrong give a shit about Bush doing the same thing in front of the Israeli Knesset.  Oh well.  It's not like we didn't know that they're hypocrites.

by freedom78 2008-05-16 09:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain

"If George Bush and John McCain want to have a debate about protecting the United States of America, that is a debate I am happy to have any time, any place, and that is a debate that I will win, because George Bush and John McCain have a lot to answer for."

Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sOlaso_7 Z8

by haystax calhoun 2008-05-16 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain

Thanks!  I just updated.

by thezzyzx 2008-05-16 09:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain

Excellent!  Let's try to get this rec'd up.  Here's another great quote in a speech full of them.  Obama is taking these guys head on:

"They're trying to fool you. They're trying to scare you. And they're not telling the truth...and the reason is that they cant win a foreign policy debate on the merits.  But it's not going to work.  It's not going to work this time and it's not going to work this year."

There'll be no more Democratic cowering in the face of Republican scare tactics and threats of terrorism.  We got these guys by the balls now, and it's game time!

by haystax calhoun 2008-05-16 09:36AM | 0 recs
Boy he learns fast

After the big enthusiastic hope speeches, and then fine detail policy wonkery, he's pivoted again and combined disdain and devastating logical attacks on Bush McCain.

Great stuff. I always thought foreign policy was one of his STRONG POINTS. And now he can take the gloves off, it's showing

by duende 2008-05-16 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain Updated with vid

Would rec if I could!

by obscurant 2008-05-16 09:57AM | 0 recs
I cannot tell you how much I LOVE

LOVE, seeing headlines like this:

Obama blasts Bush, McCain over attacks

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/16/o bama.bush.mccain/index.html

It's usually the Repubs "blasting" Dems... It's sooo refreshing to have a candidate who can hit back this hard.

I'm fired up, baby!

by Tatan 2008-05-16 10:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain

Um, why the heck isn't this on the Rec list?

Awesome stuff.  Saw it live.  The townhall meeting was nice as well.

By the way, for those who can't rate/rec, try resetting your password. That's helped in the past for me.

by RussTC3 2008-05-16 10:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain

It is now!  First time for me.  W00T!

by thezzyzx 2008-05-16 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain

You and Al Rogers are just the best, especially with your high impact visual/video style. Perhaps there's some life left in this old site after all

by britback 2008-05-16 01:47PM | 0 recs
Sort of off-topic...

...but has anyone else noticed, that during his speeches, McCain is literally thrown into a stupor when he gets applause?

I don't think he believes the shit that comes out of his mouth, and is shocked when 3 people agree with him.

by asherrem 2008-05-16 11:39AM | 0 recs
Told you he'd be a bad-ass in a knife fight...

It's never the folks who are always talking about how tough they are who are really scary.

It's the ones who rarely do.

I still want video someday of Obama across the table from I'madinnerjacket in Iran laying things out for him:

"Look.  It's like this.  If you flinch in the direction of Israel or us I'll stuff your still beating heart down your throat.

"Now, let's see where we can find some common ground."

Yeah yeah, I know it's all much more complicated than all that, but you know what I mean...

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-05-16 11:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain Updated with vid

Ripped eh? Some serious word inflation going on to pump up the terminally passive and petulant Obama.

by superetendar 2008-05-16 06:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just RIPPED into McCain Updated with vid

How far do you have to fall to defend Bush in 2008? I think you're on the wrong website.

by upstate girl 2008-05-16 06:39PM | 0 recs

Diaries

Advertise Blogads


----------- myDD - skin -----------