[UPDATED] Rev Wright & The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]

[UPDATED AT END]

Barack Obama's self-proclaimed "spiritual advisor" and "moral compass," the Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Trinity United Church of Christ (http://www.tucc.org), says that Obama deserves to be President, and Hillary does not, because "Hillary Clinton ain't never been called a nigger."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM

Wright also said in another VIDEO:

"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty."

http://tinyurl.com/23rqtw

Outraged Democrats in the blogosphere today are calling for Rev. Wright to resign from Obama's campaign.  Yes, he is on the campaign. According to Ben Smith of Politico:

Wright is a member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee -- the sort of largely honorary, advisory body that in recent days has recently been used mostly to throw people off who say controversial things.

The Obama campaign couldn't immediately say whether he'd remain on the committee.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 308/Wrights_committee.html

Well, I'd be shocked if Obama does not announce Rev. Wright's resignation today.  What choice will he have?

,But Wright's resignation will not matter.  It will be far too little, far too late.  The sobering story of Obama's 20-year relationship with Rev. Wright provides voters with a window into the soul of this agent of "change" and "unity."

"The Audacity of Hope," Obama's bestseller, was inspired by one of Wright's sermons. Wright is one of the first people Obama thanked after his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004. In a Jan. 2007 Chicago Tribune story, Obama said that Wright keeps his priorities straight and his moral compass calibrated.

"What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice...He's much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking truthfully about what I believe is possible and that I'm not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that's involved in national politics."

Obama says he found religion and Jesus Christ through Wright, whom he met in the mid-1980s. Obama has been attending Wright's church regularly since 1988....In 1991, Obama joined the church and walked down the aisle in a formal commitment of faith. Wright later married Obama and Michelle Robinson and baptized their two daughters. ...He prayed privately with Wright before announcing his candidacy last year.

http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/obama_wri ght_farrakhan/2008/01/14/64332.html

This is not about a campaign advisor saying something stupid with racist implications, such as Geraldine Ferraro, whose comments were rejected by Hillary Clinton:

I certainly do repudiate it and I regret deeply that it was said. Obviously she doesn't speak for the campaign, she doesn't speak for any of my positions, and she has resigned from being a member of my very large finance committee.

No.  This is different.  This is about an overtly racist religious leader who guides Obama's moral code. Obama is spiritually led by a man who says that Hillary Clinton is unworthy of the presidency because she has never been called a nigger. One must question whether Obama accepts this value system. Is there any other rational explanation for his 2-decade attendance at this church? How many times has Obama attended one of Wright's poisonous sermons? Does he take his children?

Surely there must be hundreds of Christian churches in Chicago where the Obamas could worship, and hundreds of non-racist ministers from whom Barack Obama could seek spiritual guidance. But Obama prefers to follow the moral compass of a man who blames America for 9/11, preaches rabid racism, denigrates the Clintons from his pulpit to the applause of his congregation, and rewards Louis Farrakhan:

In one of his sermons, Wright said to thumping applause, "Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run! ...We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."

In Dec. 2007 Wright Jr. and his Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, honored Farrakhan at a gala, bestowing on him its Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer award.

In the November/December issue of his church's magazine, Trumpet, Wright heaped praise on Farrakhan, whom he helped in organizing the Million Man March in Washington in 1995. Wright lauded Farrakhan as one of the giants of the African-American religious experience in the 20th and 21st centuries.

"When Minister Farrakhan speaks, black America listens," Wright said. "His depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening. He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest."

Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals. He has called whites "blue-eyed devils" and the "anti-Christ." He has described Jews as "bloodsuckers" who control the government, the media, and some black organizations.

Hailing Farrakhan's "integrity and honesty," Wright said, "His love for Africa and African-American people has made him an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change, and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose." (see Newsmax link)

Wright thinks America was responsible for 9/11,, according to ABC:

In addition to damning America, (Wright) told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

Obama shrugs off these assaults by Rev. Wright as  "inflammatory rhetoric." Really? That's hypocritical because Obama asks us to elect him in large part based on the power of his rhetoric.  Didn't he tell us that words cannot be understated as a source of inspiration in America for believing in ourselves, believing in hope?

ABC articulates my concerns about Obama clearly and concisely:

In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev. Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with," telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.

But Obama's close association with Wright over more than two decades and the minister's close ties to Farrakhan cannot be explained away so cavalierly. If Obama rejects Wright's warped view of this country, why does he continue to attend his church? If Obama disagrees with Farrakhan and his anti-Semitic and anti-white statements, why doesn't he denounce him rather than continue to associate with a minister and friend who is one of his advocates and who gave him an award for lifetime achievement? Does Obama secretly agree with some of their hate-filled, radical statements while publicly avoiding race-specific appeals as part of his candidacy?

That comports with Obama's habit of not showing up for controversial votes or tackling tough policy issues, allowing him to broaden his appeal through charisma alone. Farrakhan himself recently spoke approvingly of Obama's strategy, which is crucial to inviting whites to support him.

"Barack Obama has been very careful not to position himself as Rev. Jesse Jackson or Rev. Al Sharpton as a promoter of `The Black Cause,'" Farrakhan said in the interview with FinalCall.com. "He has been groomed, wisely so, to be seen more as a unifier, rather than one who speaks only for the hurt of black people."

At the least, Obama's membership in Wright's church and close ties to Wright himself suggest a lack of judgment and an insensitivity to views that are repugnant to the vast majority of white Americans who are not bigots or anti-Semites.

That same lack of judgment has shown up in Obama's gaffes -- threatening to invade Pakistan and offering prompt negotiations with anti-American despots. More frightening, Obama voted last August to give Osama bin Laden and other terrorists the same rights as Americans when it comes to intercepting their overseas calls in order to pick up clues needed to stop another attack.

To evaluate what Obama's ties to Wright mean, picture America's reaction if President Bush's minister, mentor, and moral compass had the views of Wright and was an admirer and supporter of Farrakhan.

"He that lies down with dogs, shall rise up with fleas," Benjamin Franklin said.

Obama may be a gifted orator, but his choice of a friend and advisor suggests he is masquerading as a moderate. While the liberal media have already decided Obama will be our next president, Americans may have a different view when they consider what his ties to Wright tell us about the presidential candidate's true opinions and character."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4 443788&page=1

Barack Obama bloggers and other supporters are calling on Senator Hillary Clinton to concede the race for the Democratic nomination to Obama, and urging her supporters to rally 'round their candidate.  As a basis for this plea they often cite the need for "unity." They point to the racial divisions that now scar this election and their fear that the Democratic Party will be wounded for generations, or at least long enough to lose the General Election in November.  They imply that Hillary Clinton is responsible for this sad state of affairs.

My answer is: NO. I will stand by Senator Clinton until the last superdelegate makes a decision.  I will not rally around a man who preaches unity while his own pastor and spiritual adviser preaches division and bigotry.

THE LINE HAS BEEN DRAWN IN THE SAND.

[UPDATE 3/14/08 1:00 am PST] 1. To my surprise, no announcement today regarding Rev. Wright's resignation although, as I said in the post, I don't think it matters. It appears that Obama may try to dismiss the severity of this problem by pointing to Wright's recent resignation as pastor of TUCC. This of course does nothing to address the question as to why he sustained a 20-year spiritual relationship with a hateful bigot. 2. I've been unable to find information on whether the Obamas take their children to sermons at TUCC, although I saw a quote from Obama saying that he goes to church as often as possible. 3. The Obamas donated approximately $22,000 to TUCC in 2006 (link to come.)

Note:  My effort at hyperlinks has failed.  I'd greatly appreciate technical tips.

Tags: Democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton, moral compass, obama, Obama attendance church, Obama pastor, Obama spiritual adviser, Obama Wright sermons attendance, presidential election, racism, rev. wright, Trinity United Church of Christ, Wright, Wright sermons (all tags)

Comments

243 Comments

He kind of compared Obama to Jesus

doesn't surprise me...

by diplomatic 2008-03-13 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: He kind of compared Obama to Jesus

well, he did say twice that Jesus was

"a poor black man".

Huh....and I always thought he was Jewish.  Y?ouu thk he mmigh have mentioned that in one of the Gospels wouldnt ya?

Maybe its the basis for 'The Da Vinci Code 2'

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-13 11:26AM | 0 recs
Re: He kind of compared Obama to Jesus

and Obama-- is not poor.  Jesus, was never rich and Jesus thought he was Jewish too.  

Reverend Wright argues he's smarter than everyone on his "black theology," well, he's got the most basic facts wrong.  

Jesus was never rich, Obama is rich.  And Jesus was Jewish.

by chieflytrue 2008-03-13 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: He kind of compared Obama to Jesus

Never met a black jew?

by LandStander 2008-03-13 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: He kind of compared Obama to Jesus

That's S.O.P. in the Obama campaign.

by DemAC 2008-03-13 11:33AM | 0 recs
Re: He kind of compared Obama to Jesus

Great diary TexasDarlin.  You ought to include links to some of Wright's other offensive videos like the one where he exhorts African Americans not to God Bless America, but to Goddamn America.

Your diary says this, but I want to point a finer point on it.  The problem here is not this racist pastor.  The problem is that Obama has been his follower for over 20 years.  He's called the man his spiritual adviser and made him part of his campaign.  Could it be any clearer? OBAMA BUYS INTO THIS RACIST SH*T.

Just imagine if we discovered that Hillary had been attending KKK rallies every week for over 20 years and had called the Imperial Wizard (or whatever it is those crazy sh*theads call their leader) her spiritual adviser.  Would we allow her to dismiss it by saying, "there are some things I disagree with him about"?  Would we demand that she remove him from her campaign?  Hell, no!  We'd be demanding to know why the hell she went to Klan rallies for over 20 years, and in short order we'd declare her unfit for the Presidency.

by JoePittsburgh 2008-03-13 06:54PM | 0 recs
Re: He kind of compared Obama to Jesus

I wonder if KO will be doing a special report on this. My guess is not. This guy is his pastor.

david

by giusd 2008-03-13 04:29PM | 0 recs
OMG....

there is nothing to this.  You are comparing one person, who is a former VP candidate, leader in the Democratic party, fundraiser for the Clinton's v. an unelected citizen that has no part in the campaign.

by Chavez100 2008-03-14 03:51AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama

"Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty."

lol!  This is priceless.  Inappropriate, but priceless.

by chinapaulo 2008-03-13 10:28AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama

Yeah, I'm sorry, I know it's bad, but it kind of made me laugh too.

by animated 2008-03-13 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama

You are trying to imply that riding the blacks dirty is funny?

That's sad and racist.

by Sandeep 2008-03-13 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama

Bill Clinton didn't ride black people. He did his best to make life better for them. His foundation is responsible for getting AIDS medicine to millions of blacks in Africa. Unemployment was never lower among African Americans than when he was president.

The pastor said what he said because he was trying to help Obama in a campaign.

The reason the quote is funny is because it is an absurd and inappropriate thing for a pastor to say.

by mmorang 2008-03-13 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama

No, the reason it's funny is because it's about sex...

by Alice in Florida 2008-03-13 06:48PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama

LOL. Exactly. It's a song about sex by Chamillionaire. I almost spit out my coffee when I heard it.

by atomic garden 2008-03-14 02:25AM | 0 recs
Funny? I didn't think so, expecially with the...

humping he did on stage as he said those words.  He demeaned a former POTUS and one whom other prominent AA's have labeled America's First Black President.

So clever this Rev. Wrong.

by Shazone 2008-03-13 10:45AM | 0 recs
What has Obama done for black people?

especially compared the the Clintons? You ask any Obamaite that, and its the same old "tax returns" bullshit

by DiamondJay 2008-03-13 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: What has Obama done for black people?

Yeah, why are all these stupid Black people not getting it and voting for the wrong person!

by marcotom 2008-03-13 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: What has Obama done for black people?

And that was snark, if anyone didn't get that.

by marcotom 2008-03-13 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: What has Obama done for black people?

its called "identity politics"

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-13 11:28AM | 0 recs
exactly

by DiamondJay 2008-03-13 12:10PM | 0 recs
Re: What has Obama done for black people?

Dude, he was a community organizer in the South Side of Chicago. Tax returns!!!

by Etchasketchist 2008-03-13 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: What has Obama done for black people?

I suspect you will discover that it is not what he has done, but what he promises to do.

If he becomes the 44th President, it becomes salvatation of sorts for 90% of black America (or whatever fraction of black America that supports him).  

Likewise, if Hillary wins, she becomes the salvation of 60% of all women (or whatever fraction of women that support her for that reason)

by SevenStrings 2008-03-13 09:16PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama

You are trying to imply that riding the blacks dirty is funny?

That's sad and racist.

by Sandeep 2008-03-13 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama

"That's sad and racist."

Yawn.  No, it's not racist, and I am not a racist.  To hear a black preacher use the term 'riding dirty' to describe the Lewinsky mess is just objectively funny.

As for how the Clintons treated the black community -- I am not black, and I am not an expert.  If this guy feels that the African American community was 'screwed' or 'ridden dirty' by Bill Clinton, he's entitled to his opinion.  Such an opinion, however misguided or incorrect it may be, is certainly not racist.

by chinapaulo 2008-03-13 12:48PM | 0 recs
To see any preacher

using the term "riding dirty" from the pulpit is funny, I don't care what race they are.

by georgiapeach 2008-03-13 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama

Bill Clinton was good for black America (using any objective measure such as jobs, employment rate etc), so Rev. Wright is wrong on that.

Further, if Rev. Wright feels that the AA community, in particular, was screwed by Clinton, and not other communities (he didn't say this, but it was implied), and that the aforesaid screwing was intentionally inflicted on the AA community on the basis of race (once again, this was not said, but implied), then WHY YES...IT IS RACISM.  Because it amounts to a false accusation of racism unsupported by facts.

by SevenStrings 2008-03-13 09:22PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

Today has proved to me how racist Hillary's supporters are.  Bill Graham was a racist.  Pat Robertson hates homosexuals.  The pope hates homosexuals.  Hagee hates catholics, but you don't see ABC or Fox talking about these spiritual leaders do you?  Will John McCain denounce Hagee?  Will catholics denounce the Pope??

by Spanky 2008-03-13 10:30AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

Again. After all the evidences to show that Wright is playing race card here, you have to call Hillary supporters racist. Amazing.

by praxis1 2008-03-13 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

No, you are not racists. You are just stupid low-life a*holes for smearing Obama with this. Sorry, that had to be said.

by marcotom 2008-03-13 10:42AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

What a wonderful way of showing your class!I guess your comment will really help Obama.

Following me around and harrassing me will not make your candidate a president. Grow up.

by praxis1 2008-03-13 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

Why are you worried if this is nothing? You are showing your low class by acting the way you have been for last few days.

Stop submitting to anyone (including Messiah) except God. Otherwise, your life will be painful.

by Sandeep 2008-03-13 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

If Obama is the Messiah then Hillary is Baelzebub. I like this game. Let's play some more.

by pitahole 2008-03-13 02:33PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO
As a low-life, let me help you.
'a*holes' is spelled 'a**holes'.
by oc 2008-03-13 12:02PM | 0 recs
Thanks for the laugh.

I needed it.

by georgiapeach 2008-03-13 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

Certainly, you can do better than calling someone who doesn't agree with, someone who supports an opposition candidate, a**holes?  I suspect that you might want to look at a maturation process in politics or elsewhere just a bit.  You really do owe the Hillary supporters an apology.  Yes, sometimes it happens that way--the candidate that we support gets to close to a fire and gets the scrutiny of that closeness.  It happens to all of us.  Show a little grace now that it is your turn.

by christinep 2008-03-13 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

Beautiful and true words but unfortunately wasted on the one it is directed toward.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-13 03:11PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO
How is it "playing the race card" to say how you feel about the way blacks are treated? However he said it , that's his business and his congregation's choice whether to listen or not. The "race card" is used when you are using it get something - some concession, win something, etc. You don't use that term every time some AA raises hell about injustice (or even perceived injustice). He's saying how he feels in his own church. I'm not black but I very much understand where he is coming from and don't find him the least bit offensive.
by Becky G 2008-03-13 02:31PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

Exactly... he sells the videos. It's incredible.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-13 03:12PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

Come on!  You know it is not the act of selling video that is offensive - it it the content of the video CD that is disturbing.  I would not go so far as to say that Obama's decade long association with this person is also disturbing, but it is certainly trouble for Mr. Obama and I am interested in hearing his response. We do not determine people's guilt by association, but we do judge a person's character, interest by the people he or she chooses to hang out with. It is just common sense.  Like Mr. Obama said, making the right choices takes good judgment. I would like to hear, under what circumstance he made the choice of going with this pastor and why he stayed with him for so long.  

by observer11 2008-03-13 08:59PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

Seems to be he is "playing the race card" in order to "get something"...in order to get his guy elected president. You don't think being pastor to the POTUS is "something"?

by Alice in Florida 2008-03-13 06:54PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO
F*ck you. I don't even believe in organized religion, and I would exile every single one of those bigoted assholes you mentioned, if only I had the power to do so. But you're going to call me a racist because I support Hillary? What the hell is wrong with you, you subnormal psychotic? How about I call you sexist because you support Obama? Is that fair? Have you no ability to reason? Is "thinking logically" too much to ask from people like you? Apparently.

...Again, F*CK you. You cheapen and diminish what your candidate is trying to accomplish with your weak and wildly thrown accusations. Disgusting.

by sricki 2008-03-13 11:42AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

I am right there with you when it comes to being offended by their comments but just keep in mind that the admin can come in a disappear you for making these kinds of comments even though I agree that they are rightly deserved.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-13 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

michelle and barack obama are outside of the mainstream.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-13 11:52PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO
Actually, he/she should have said "some" Hillary supporters. But he didn't say it was because they support Hillary as you said. That's just trying to play the victim. It's because of their reaction to this guy. It really seems racist to me.
by Becky G 2008-03-13 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO
Pardon, but who's trying to play the victim? I certainly hope you aren't referring to me.

Absolutely everything seems racist to some of you. And absolutely everything seems sexist to some other people around here. Half of you are bloody well out of your minds, do you realize that? I haven't yet decided whether you're one of the crazies, but if you reply to this comment, I'm sure your response will be most illuminating.

by sricki 2008-03-13 04:29PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

hey look its rssai!

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-13 07:16PM | 0 recs
Your ignorance of religion is astonishing

How many Catholics know the Pope, spend 20 years with the Pope, name their book after the Pope, credit their Fame Getting speech to the Pope, have the Pope baptize their children, get to be married by the Pope?

Obama chose this bum, and has chosen this bum for 20 years.  It's an issue, and you can call ABC and Catholics, and Hillary supporters, and everyone else a racist if you want.

Everyone now sees through the "Racist" "You're a Racist if you cover this story" Card because you've played it too many times.

But Obama chose this bum for 20 years, has joined himself to this bum for 20 years, has associated everything in his marriage, family, and politics with this bum for 20 years.

It's going to become an issue.  And it will remain an issue.

by chieflytrue 2008-03-13 01:51PM | 0 recs
Don't forget -- Catholics don't get to choose

their pope.

The Obamas get to choose their preacher.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-13 02:36PM | 0 recs
Lets see

Clinton has long been friends with Geraldine Ferraro, she choose to be her friend, she choose to accept her in her campaign. She has been friends with her for a long time.

Of course Geraldine has been know to now an then to make some what racist remarks.

Its certain that Hilary donate to the dem ticket with Ferraro on it and worked for it.

Which I guess makes Hillary somewhat racist, because you know Ferraro is somewhat a racist.

Is not interesting how such things cut a both ways.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-13 04:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Lets see

yes, and Ferraro resigned, Hillary repudiated and apologised.  However, Rev. Wright's words are much worse, extremely hurtful to 9/11 families and first responders for one. Campaigning for your candidate in your Church and denigrating a US Senator and former President with filthy language (both verbal and spoken) and all we hear from the Obama is that I disagree, he's like an old uncle, blah, blah, blah.  Outrageous.

And this from the Uniter and post racial candidate?

by anya109 2008-03-14 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Your ignorance of religion is astonishing

Obama's church leader is named Audacity? Wow, did his parents not like him or something?

by pitahole 2008-03-13 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Your ignorance of religion is astonishing

Well said.  The long-term relationship is a clue to judgment.  Just like the Rezko relationship.  Together they raise judgment issues; they fill in the blanks about Obama.

by christinep 2008-03-13 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Your ignorance of religion is astonishing

Adults take responsibility for their actions. They don't hope them away.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-13 03:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Your ignorance of religion is astonishing

Can they Penn them away?

by pitahole 2008-03-13 06:21PM | 0 recs
Sweet so that

tells me that Hillary's long term friend ship with Ferraro makes her racist.

JUst using your definition.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-13 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Sweet so that

"tells me that Hillary's long term friend ship with Ferraro makes her racist."

Neither Hillary Clinton nor Geraldine Ferraro are racists. Both have been fighting for civil rights throughout their long careers. No one has called them racists before until they appear to be in Obama's way to realizing all his premature ambitions.

Only by lying, distorting, and completely removing Geraldine Ferraro's comments from their context can they be perverted into something anyone could perceive as racist.

by 07rescue 2008-03-13 08:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Your ignorance of religion is astonishing

What if it was Father Guido Sarduchi?

This will likely go over the heads of many here except older folks and those that are huge fans of the original cast of Saturday Night Live.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-13 03:14PM | 0 recs
Sarducci rocked

If any candidate dared to have the good father as his/her priest, I would vote for that candidate on that basis alone!

by Montague 2008-03-13 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

WOW !

Are the 10% of black people who still support HRC also included in your categorical description of "racist Hillary's supporters" ?

by SevenStrings 2008-03-13 09:24PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO
LOL. Yes, ALL of them are automatically African American "sell-outs" just like Colin and Condi and... hm, who else did Wright name?
by sricki 2008-03-13 10:45PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama

Hallelujah!  I wonder if Obama will call his pastors speeches "wrong-headed" also?

by TxDem08 2008-03-13 10:30AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama
I think if, during this campaign he interjected himself into the campaign and said something scurrilous about Hillary, Obama would say that. In that case he should.
by Becky G 2008-03-13 02:44PM | 0 recs
Code word

Try using this code:

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/iPjVp3PLnVs&amp;hl=en"&gt;&lt;/param&gt&lt;param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/iPjVp3PLnVs&amp;hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

It should bring up the video for you.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-13 10:37AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

Obama:  "I don't think my church is all that controversial"  LOL

by karajan72 2008-03-13 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

Well, considering they could only pull out 4 or 5 quotes out of years of sermons tells you the day to day experience in this church probably wasn't controversial.

by animated 2008-03-13 10:45AM | 0 recs
there are multiple videos

ABC News bought all of them and I suspect FOX News did as well.  Can't really judge just how many instances are out there.

by diplomatic 2008-03-13 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: there are multiple videos

Sure, scour every single thing the preacher says at ANY church and I bet you will find a handful of controversial statements.

But that doesn't make it right that people are doing it to Obama because his church comes out of a different cultural tradition.

Before you accuse me of race-baiting, ask yourself if the same standard would be applied to a candidate who praised Jerry Falwell as a spiritual adviser.

by animated 2008-03-13 10:54AM | 0 recs
Re: there are multiple videos

Being a pastor and spiritual advisor are different things. Jesse Jackson has been advisor to Clintons during the 90s, but that doesnt mean he was the pastor they went to listen every Sunday.

by Sandeep 2008-03-13 10:59AM | 0 recs
Re: there are multiple videos

All I'm saying is that there are plenty of things to be found in any church, black, Southern Baptist, Jewish or otherwise, that would look offensive to the outside observer. You can't deny that. Insomuch as people are attacking Obama for this, it's because his church comes out of a different experience, the African American experience, that has to grapple with issues like racism and slavery.

Does that mean we should give Wright a total pass? No. But just posting a couple of Youtube videos that take a handful of quotes out of decades of sermons completely ignores the larger cultural context they were delivered in.

by animated 2008-03-13 11:04AM | 0 recs
seriously, dude

good luck explaining that to the bulk of white America who last time I looked Obama still needs to win in November.

That sure the hell looked like a preacher preaching racial hatred.  Holy mother of god.

ABC is running pieces of the video above, CNN just ran the whole thing.  Obviously FOX is on it.  

ahhh, let me put this to you as gently as I can --

Obama is f***ed.  Totally.  Wow. Ouch.  Ouch.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-13 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: really

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that covenant pre-date the existence of Christians?

by Alice in Florida 2008-03-13 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: there are multiple videos

"All I'm saying is that there are plenty of things to be found in any church, black, Southern Baptist, Jewish or otherwise, that would look offensive to the outside observer."

I hope you are in denial.  Rev. Wright's words reek of hate, and if you think that other churches, and synagogues are no better, then you need to look beyond the options you listed for spiritual guidance.  And if you still cannot find a place of worship that does not preach hate, then stop going to a place of worship altogether.

God resides in all of us...we do not need a place of worship in order to worship Him/Her!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-13 09:09PM | 0 recs
Re: there are multiple videos

Absolutely...Reagan consulted and praised both Falwell and Robertson.  He was ridiculed and denounced for it, at least by most of America.

These are the same type/issue.

by TxDem08 2008-03-13 11:08AM | 0 recs
Re: there are multiple videos

And yet, ultimately people gave him a pass on those associations, and he was elected, and reelected in a landslide.

by animated 2008-03-13 11:46AM | 0 recs
Re: there are multiple videos

That's because everybody knew that deep down, Reagan didn't have a seriously religious bone in his entire body--he barely ever attended service either. No one ever seriously worried that he actually believed what Robertson and Falwell were selling.

That's about the nicest thing I can say about Reagan.

by Inky 2008-03-13 06:07PM | 0 recs
Wright is also...

... a member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/obama/ob ama120407pr.html

by cmugirl90 2008-03-13 11:51AM | 0 recs
Re: there are multiple videos

not in mine! (-:

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-13 02:36PM | 0 recs
Hah!

If this is all there is.  It's a big deal.

If this isn't all there is.  It's a big deal.

And this isn't all there is.

by chieflytrue 2008-03-13 01:52PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

Thank you for a well sourced wonderfully commented diary. You are so level headed in your approach and I appreciate your style immensely.

This is a story that should be given to every single superdelegate there is. Not only is Obama unqualified (for these obvious reasons) to be our Presidential nominee, he is a liability to the Democratic party going into the November elections.

As a party we need to forcefully renounce Obama and all the lies he really does stand for rather than the hope message he has been hoodwinking people with.

Thank you again TexasDarlin. You got that Darlin part right. I only wish I could recommend this twice.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-13 10:43AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

thank you ff, i appreciate the support.

I am fired up over this issue of hypocrisy and deceit and racism.  It displays everything wrong with society that obama has tried to blame on other people.

by CalGirl 2008-03-13 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

Thats fine.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-13 12:34PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

Here, here.

What a great diary.  Highly recommended, I too wish I could vote twice like in Texas :)

by chieflytrue 2008-03-13 01:54PM | 0 recs
&quot;Cooler heads must prevail&quot;

It is time for "cooler heads to prevail".  The time for action is now from our party leaders to stop this maddness!

It is way past due that we contact the current leaders of our party and call for a meeting between the the two candidates to stop this civil war that currently occurring in the Democratic Party!  How can we ever stop the war in Iraq if we cannot have PEACE in our own party!

Do any of us really want our party destroyed for decades to come?  Please contact the following leaders of our party for this meeting to take place at once!

Howard Dean

Democratic National Committee

430 S. Capitol St. SE

Washington, DC 20003

Main Phone Number:
              202-863-8000       
go to: http://www.democrats.org/...
̷ 2;

Nancy Pelosi

Washington, DC -               (202) 225-4965       

San Francisco, CA 94102 -
              (415) 556-4862       
sf.nancy@mail.house.gov
or& #8232;AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov̷ 2;
or
go to: http://www.house.gov/...



Al Gore

Fax: 615-327-1323
Phone: 615-327-2227

For press interview requests, email Al Gore's spokesperson, Kalee Kreider at Kalee@carthagegroup.com (sorry - best I could do)

Honorable Al Gore

2100 West End Avenue
Suite 620 Nashville, TN 37203



John Edwards
Phone
:               (919) 636-3131       
Fax:               (919) 967-3644       
(left over from the campaign - tel. # has answering machine)

Mailing Address:
410 Market Street
Suite 400

Chapel Hill, NC 27516

go to: http://www.johnedwards.com/...


by mcctx 2008-03-13 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: &quot;Cooler heads must prevail&quot;

Indeed, they must come out and do what? Tell the canidates not to attack each other?

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-13 11:42AM | 0 recs
This is the best diary about this video

Well done

by diplomatic 2008-03-13 10:45AM | 0 recs
Please Consider What You All Are Doing!

This is wrong!

I suggest you watch this interview with James Cone, and then you can understand the place that Wright's comments are coming from.  Wright crossed a line, but it really isn't our place to judge.  Do not have this conversation simply to tear down Sen. Obama, Jeremiah Wright, Cornell West, James Cone - it really is not right.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/11232007/watch.html

by CardBoard 2008-03-13 10:46AM | 0 recs
It is entirely our place to judge-- by voting

uhh the entire premise of choosing a nominee and then a President is to exercise our judgement on a candidate as an electorate.

by diplomatic 2008-03-13 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: It is entirely our place to judge-- by voting

Not our judgment over their religion.  There is no religious test.

by CardBoard 2008-03-13 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: It is entirely our place to judge-- by voting

the entire left condemned Bush's fundamentalism and its effects on his presidency .

Obama's chucrh's clearly racist leanings and teaching needs to be shown.

If only to keep us from losing because of them in  november.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-13 11:21AM | 0 recs
religion is not the issue with the videos

you seem a bit clueless.  Look again, it goes way beyond religion. WAY BEYOND.

by diplomatic 2008-03-13 11:24AM | 0 recs
Re: religion is not the issue with the videos

Well that is the first time I've been called clueless on religion...unless it was by a white fundamentalists.  I strongly suggest you watch this lecture by James Cohen and the Moyers interview before judging - http://www.hds.harvard.edu/news/events_online/ingersoll_2006.html

This language comes from a place foreign to most people's ears, but it is not our culture to judge.

by CardBoard 2008-03-13 11:53AM | 0 recs
you're clueless for this reason:

for thinking that the criticism and discussion about these videos are centered on the religious angle or content.

No more straw from you now.  Bye.

by diplomatic 2008-03-13 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: religion is not the issue with the videos

How many people attended Wright's service do you think have read all of Cohen's and whoever else's books are supposed to underpin his theology?

Whether you like it or not, people judge other people's cultures all the time, particularly when those people are running for president.

And sure, there's supposed to be no religious test for higher office, but try telling that to an atheist sometime.

by Inky 2008-03-13 06:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Please Consider What You All Are Doing!

it's not about tearing anybody down.

it's about the general election -- and this is going to be plastered all over the place; that's the concern.  take a hard look at what's around the corner.

by moevaughn 2008-03-13 01:35PM | 0 recs
It's on ABC, it's on FOX. and the IRS

is investigating this horrible, bigoted, filthy character.

What do you mean what anyone here is doing?  You guys shouldn't have torn down Bill Clinton and Geraline Ferraro who heroically fought the Right at every chance they could.

But this is the IRS, ABC, FOX talking.  And why?

This is a terrible mentor, Obama's 20 year spiritual father who is a driving force behind his life (the guy married him and baptized his daughters) his politics (he's in his campaign, and this right here is a political speech which is why the IRS is looking into this guy) and recipient of $20,000 from Obama recently.

This is horrible.

by chieflytrue 2008-03-13 02:03PM | 0 recs
I don't really care about 90% of what...

Rev. Wrong said - it's his right to say whatever he wants (as long as he doesn't yell FIRE in a crowded theater).

But he used his pulpit to attack another candidate - and he did it while lying (IMHO).

Hillary Clinton has lived all of her life being treated as a non-person, being call non-person names and now, when her person-hood has been won through a long hard fight - being told, once again that she is still a non-person.

Rev. Wrong crossed the line when he brought her into his "sermon".  That's why Obama should refute this shit.

by Shazone 2008-03-13 10:52AM | 0 recs
not to mention how brave she is

to even be in this race. She knew what was coming. That's why I think Al Gore stayed out. And he was smart but cowardly to do so, so he can keep his reputation. Hillary had the bravery to speak power to rhetoric, and she is now paying the price.

by DiamondJay 2008-03-13 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: not to mention how brave she is

Almost Christ-like, eh?

by animated 2008-03-13 11:33AM | 0 recs
Re: not to mention how brave she is

You sound like that guy who did the Britney Video, "She's so brave"

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-13 11:41AM | 0 recs
Wow, you sound like a cult member

by kindthoughts 2008-03-13 04:47PM | 0 recs
No she hasn't been called a nigger

But she's been called a cunt, a bitch, a ho, and many others just as horrible, by commentators on national TV as well as your run of the mill person.

Wright shows no consciousness of what it is like to be a woman or grow up female. And Obama doesn't either.

by foxx 2008-03-13 03:54PM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

Rev. Wright can resign from the campaign, but can he resign from being Obama's "moral compass"?

by Upstate Dem 2008-03-13 10:53AM | 0 recs
The line has indeed been drawn in the

sand. The race-baiting coming from the Obama camp is spiraling out of control. Obama, according to his lofty, idealistic speeches is supposed to possess some gift for unifying people. Where is it? Where is his leadership? It is nothing but words, and we are seeing that more and more. I, too, will stand by Hillary until the last superdelegate has cast his or her vote. I am so disgusted by the Obama campaign lately. I can't even begin to describe how I feel...

by Rumarhazzit 2008-03-13 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: The line has indeed been drawn in the

How is Obama race baiting?  ABC news is cherry-picking stuff from his pastor to purposely make Obama look like the "scary angry black man" and OBAMA is race baiting??????

Give me a break!!!  Obama didn't start this, ABC and FOX did...  You should direct your ire towards them... They purposely designed this story to try and scare off white voters.  Shame on them!  

by LordMike 2008-03-13 09:42PM | 0 recs
no

voters have a right to see these videos.  I'm angry as hell I didn't see them sooner.  I'd venture a guess there are a number of Obama voters who would feel the same.  

How can you defend that crap?  But more to the point, how can you think these videos won't resurface in the fall?

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-14 02:51AM | 0 recs
Re: no

Where does one draw the line?  Seriously?  The right wing has gone after his wife, his mom (believe it or not), and now his Church.  Could you imagine the outrage if we went after McCain's Church?  Is nothing sacred, literally?  I think Mitt Romney would have gotten fairer treatment of his Church in the press.  Remember, the mormons think they are gods.

Then, they come out and cherry pick 2 minutes of out-of-context out of thousands of hours for the express purpose of scaring white voters away....

But, no... it's OBAMA, somehow, who is race baiting!  Got it!

Does anyone really know the whole story, anyways?  Obviously, Wright must have some positive influence, since it should be obviously clear that Barack Obama isn't like the 3 minutes of cherry-picked footage that the networks are trying to smear him with.

Judge them by the fruits they bear, the bible says.  Obama certainly can and should be judged by his own merits.  It would be one thing if Barack Obama was making those gaffes, but he's not...  so, they tar him as best they can with misleading and manipulative videos of his pastor.  Shame on them!

Just wait... they are going to go after his mother, next.  I've already heard rumblings on the right wing blogs...  it's going to be pretty disgusting, but I'm sure there will be plenty of cheerleading here.  Sad.  We are supposed to be Democrats.  For as much as you guys think that DailyKos hates Hillary Clinton, unlike here, no one there is cheering for her ruin.   They view her "winner take all at any cost" strategy as hurtful to the party and just wish she would stop.  Here, you want to destroy Obama 'cos he dared challenge the mighty Hillary and is beating her at her own game.  

We're all on the same team, you know... or have you forgotten?

by LordMike 2008-03-14 03:34AM | 0 recs
Re: no

Obama is unelectable.  If we are all on the same team you need to see and accept that.  There is no way this footage of Wright won't get aired until our eyes bleed from it in the fall.  

there is no denouncing it or reframing it.  This is hate speech.  Obama sat in the pew and supported it with his money and his affirmations for twenty years.  He credits Wright with changing his life.  He can't run from this or acheive enough distance from it.

I know this must be a terrible time for you.  sincerely.  I feel bad.  But Obama is officially unelectable.  This story won't die, it won't stay buried, it wo't loose it legs.  

It's over for him.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-14 03:44AM | 0 recs
Re: no

Hillary is unelectable.  If she manages the nomination, it will have been by a coup, and half the democratic caucus will not support her.  Even if she managed to win fair and square, somehow, she'd still lose the pacific northwest and upper midwest to McCain.

So, we all lose, then.  It doesn't really matter.  Hillary has been unelectable since day 1.  We all know that.  So, really it doesn't matter... If you think that Obama has no chance, and we know that Hillary has none, then why are we bothering anyways.

We'll see what happens.  The story is not getting much play in the MSM... you have to search for it at the moment.  It could still come back.  We'll see.  I agree this is his greatest test as our de facto nominee.  Let's hope he handles it well.

by LordMike 2008-03-14 04:30AM | 0 recs
Re: no

No one here, including me, has really seen Wright's messages...  3 minutes of cherrypicked statements without context isn't a representative sample.  Surely, you don't suggest that Obama is some black separatist?  There must be a lot more that the media has no interest in seeing, because it is positive and not controversial.

But, you're right.. it doesn't matter... what matters is what the public believes.  This will be the toughest test of his campaign.

by LordMike 2008-03-14 11:26AM | 0 recs
Re: no

No one is "going after" his religion.  What people are distressed about is that Obama himself has called this man his spiritual advisor and his moral compass.  He contributed $22,500 to this man and his church last year.  He has attended this church for 17 years.

Voters know little about Obama except what he has told them.  Now we are seeing another side and disliking the fact that out of hundreds, or more, black churches in Chicago, this man's church is the one he prefers to attend.  Okay, but don't be surprised when Americans reject the "God damn America" theme.  When average white Americans rebel against being called KKKers.  

Again, Obama has the right to go to any church he chooses.  But we voters have the right to judge him on his choice.

by miriam 2008-03-14 12:06PM | 0 recs
Question

I agree that Obama needs to continue to distance himself from this guy. My question is whether this guy is a problem because 1) you think that deep down that Obama himself believes these things, or 2) that it is a political liability, and that in the interest of fairness the candidates need to reject/renounce anyone making controversial statements (Powers, Ferraro, etc)?  

by highgrade 2008-03-13 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Question

Rev. Wright can resign from the campaign, but can he resign from being Obama's "moral compass"?

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-13 11:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Question

the concern is the general election; the dems won't be able to survive this when the rebubs will be plastering this "god damn america" thing all over the place.  chances are a majority of americans will have a big problem w/ this..........

by moevaughn 2008-03-13 01:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Question

Are you inferring that the majority of Americans are mindless, thoughtless numbskull's?

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-13 02:17PM | 0 recs
Right

cause you know Hagee is lollypop loving Angel

by kindthoughts 2008-03-13 04:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Question

I know 2 to be true.  I fear 1 might be true.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-14 02:54AM | 0 recs
Re: The Audacity of Obama w/VIDEO

Interesting that Drudge is not even running this. I guess some people have standards.

by animated 2008-03-13 11:05AM | 0 recs
Drudge hates Clinton

he has given Obama glowing coverage overall and its probably because he knows just how vulnerable he is as a candidate vs McCain.

Drudge hasn't had a positive headline for Hillary in ages.  I think even the Republicans are getting scared now of Obama being the nominee and somehow accidentally winning anyway.

This pastor stuff hurts Obama badly so that would make Hillary the more likely nominee.  So this doesn't get mentioned on Drudge.

by diplomatic 2008-03-13 11:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Drudge hates Clinton

How do you even know this?  If you spend enough time on Drudge to even make this statement as a guess, you lose all credibility in my eyes, sorry, but anyone who pays attention to right wing smear merchants let alone quotes them....???

What has happened to our party when you pay attention to Drudge, but refuse to watch Olberman?

Sheesh.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-13 02:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Drudge hates Clinton

DarlinTexas:

I didn't lash out I merely stated the belief that if you are getting information from Drudge you are getting bad information.

Propaganda is designed to sound and feel real, it is none the less propaganda.

Drudge's coverage has been consistent:  everything he can find to throw at Hillary and the opposite for Obama.

If you believe that, then you have swallowed hook line and sinker Drudge propaganda.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-14 11:26AM | 0 recs
well....

All McCain needs to do in the general is run this as an AD in Ohio, PA and other states with this message flashing...

Barack Obama's Pastor

Its over folks no other issue will matter with Obama. Not the war, not the economy NOTHING.

Obama is D O N E if not now in November

You think the Republicans won't spread this like wild fire?!

by rossinatl 2008-03-13 11:14AM | 0 recs
As soon as I saw the video, I knew it was over

I saw this video of the Jeremiah Wright this morning and as it got to the end I knew that Obama had lost the nomination.

by diplomatic 2008-03-13 11:29AM | 0 recs
Re: well....

So you pretty much think this ends the election and McCain is president now? Because trust me this is nothing compared to what McCain et al will run on Hillary.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-13 11:44AM | 0 recs
ugh

I did not even begin to speculate on how Clinton would fare against McCain, did I?  Come on you can do better than that.

Obama as the nominee is looking less likely today than a few days ago -- to me.  We'll see what the voters think.  On this and on Clinton vs McCain if it ever comes to that.

by diplomatic 2008-03-13 12:09PM | 0 recs
what do they have on her?

they hasn't already been thrown and deflecting in the 90's? All they can say about her is her name, anytime they ever badmouth her, its just her name. Nothing else, as nobody in their right minds actually believes the discredited stories about the Clintons. They tried and they lost twice. They got nothing on Hillary Rodham Clinton. The GOP never talks about Lewinsky anymore either, or the phony whitewater "scandal" which was discredited, along with everything else. They fear her. they only want this thing to go on so they can hurt her, because they think without blacks, shes done. This is an albatross around Obama's neck. Hillary has "been hung" by the Republicans many times and her neck won't snap. Bottom line: her pastor did not call Jesus a black man, or say that oppressing blacks caused 9/11, or that we shouldn't bless, but rather damn America.

by DiamondJay 2008-03-13 12:19PM | 0 recs
you live in a bubble

seriously.  You are so out of touch with mainstream America you can't see what's staring you in the face.  

There are alot of things mainstream America can get past or get around.  They can get around the Keating scandal.  They can get past whatever troubling connections might turn up in the Clinton's tax returns.

They can not, will not, get past this.  It can't be buried, dismissed, spun, apologized for or forgotten.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-14 02:58AM | 0 recs
One name: Hagee

by kindthoughts 2008-03-13 04:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]
How long do you think it'll take for CNN and MSNBC to pick up on this story? 1 day? 2?
by zenful6219 2008-03-13 11:50AM | 0 recs
Until they find a way to pin it on Hillary

by diplomatic 2008-03-13 12:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Until they find a way to pin it on Hillary

!!!!!  I like your sense of humor!! ( and you're probably right, to boot)
by moevaughn 2008-03-13 01:43PM | 0 recs
The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO] everywhere

it's on all the majors -- Glenn Beck just did 15 minutes on it on Headline News.  CNN ran the whole speech above last hour.  Abc ran snippets.

This is huge.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-13 03:24PM | 0 recs
yeah, Glenn Beck

good one.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-13 04:53PM | 0 recs
Dear Lord

After all the hideousness coming out of Camp Clinton the past couple of weeks, have you learned nothing?

What does this have to do with ANYTHING of relevance?

by sam2300 2008-03-13 11:55AM | 0 recs
you're kidding, right?

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-13 05:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]

As I wrote last night, I wish race was not an issue in this campaign, and I hope Wright doesn't become an issue in the primary. Should Obama be our nominee, however, there's no doubt that this stuff will be played on an endless loop in the fall.

Having said that, it's very difficult for me to stomach the knowledge that the Obama campaign has been trying to start fires over the whole stupid photo of Obama in Africa and the 60 minutes interview (both charges are utter tripe and beneath decency) while knowing that Wright was saying such scathing things about Hillary Clinton and such incredibly divisive rhetoric in general.

by OrangeFur 2008-03-13 11:56AM | 0 recs
So Much Ignorance Here...

I really find the lack of awareness and knowledge of the Black church and community by a number of posters here quite fascinating.  

You clearly have absolutely no understanding of the Black church or it's history.  The presentation of the bible and it's teachings in racial terms is what got us through slavery.  It's what got us through a century of Jim Crown and lynchings.  It's what gave birth to the civil rights movement which is responsible for all of the improvements in our country since.

These are the kind of sermons that you hear all over the place in any of our churches that come out of that tradition.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that Bill and Hillary had shown up a Sunday or two to a church who's Reverend has used this kind of language.

Sorry to burst too many bubbles, but it's not all just smiling gospel choirs singing and clapping and praising Jesus.  This is the meat behind all that fluff.  It's the meat behind our political will.  It's where MLK and the civil rights movement was born.  It's the reason +90% Black folks vote for Democrats each year.

And now you want to attack us and our churches for it?  Why?  Because our community has come together like we always do?  Oh, but of course this time is different isn't it?  Not coming together to elect Bill Clinton again, or his wife... no, this time it's to support a Black candidate.

So now our churches and our reverends and our communities long standing traditions are horribly racist, and are being bashed by a bunch of  Democrats who have benefitted from them in every election past?

Disgusting and clueless.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-13 12:00PM | 0 recs
Re: So Much Ignorance Here...

sorry if you don't like it...

but the man was commenting on Hillary, is the spiritual adviser to a guy who wants to be president, and is therefore far from a private religious matter.

i've only been to black churches a few times, but do hope this is not the norm. because, frankly:

-the man is an ignoramous
-the man is hateful
-the man preaches precisely the language of divisiveness that Obama claims to be against.

if this is the norm, that's a shame...but i feel no shame in speaking truth to religious power. whether it be jerry falwell or jeremy wright, religious hate should stay out of politics, and those advised by the falwells and wrights of the world should stay out, too.

by CalDem 2008-03-13 12:41PM | 0 recs
Re: So Much Ignorance Here...

MLK and the Southern Baptists stood for something. They had every right to say and do the things they did. I in fact supported them.

What Wright and his "church" are doing is using the rhetoric of the Nation of Islam and molding it into a perverted form of Christianity. If you substitute the word Allah for Jesus their rants and racism are interchangeable.

The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would not have approved of this perversion of the cause. He was a genuine spiritual advisor for our entire nation, not this false prophet of division and hate.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-13 12:46PM | 0 recs
Re: So Much Ignorance Here...

Bulshit.  You have no idea where this church or the Black church in general comes from.  You clearly have no grasp on how common this type of rhetoric is across all the denominations including the Baptists.  Have you ever been to a Black church?  Attended one regularly?  Listened to Black leaders talk race and equality?  Talk politics?  

You have absolutely no clue about these things and it shows.

And your efforts to try and morph this Christian church and Obama into something Islamic should be  thoroughly transparent to anyone.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-13 01:03PM | 0 recs
Re: So Much Ignorance Here...

Excuse me but Rev Wright is the one that decided to praise Louis the Racist Farrakhan. I am not the one that is standing up in church preaching hate.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-13 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: So Much Ignorance Here...
I have to reply to this. I am a member of a black church and have visited many others in my 51 years. I have NEVER heard such hate preached at any of the churches in any of the cities I lived or visited. I deeply resent your assertion that this type of rhetoric is common in black churches. It is not. From your earlier post: "These are the kind of sermons that you hear all over the place in any of our churches that come out of that tradition." This is totally false and I suspect you might be a troll.
by EdgeCurrent 2008-03-13 06:37PM | 0 recs
Re: So Much Ignorance Here...

Thank You Sir.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-13 07:24PM | 0 recs
Re: So Much Ignorance Here...

MLK was indeed a spiritual LEADER for our nation, not an adviser  Too bad you didn't learn a damn thing from him.  And by the way, your "false prophet" bible rhetoric is starting to scare me.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-13 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: So Much Ignorance Here...

be afraid. be very afraid.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-13 03:21PM | 0 recs
Amen Fleaflicker

Nobody in their right mind would dare compare this filthy bigot to MLK.

Now if Obamabots want to that's going to haunt them-- they tried to say Hillary was awful for talking about MLK's legacy as one that was grounded in political action, a lifetime committment to social justice that ended in his martyrdom plus speeches.  But not only speeches.

But this filthy bigot Rev. Wrong is no MLK.  Saying so will get you slapped around by history.  This filthy bigot isn't going to get a Nobel Prize, he's no MLK and anybody who dares say so is a liar.  (And Barack isn't Jesus, so Rev. Wrong doesn't know what he's talking about on anything).

by chieflytrue 2008-03-13 02:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Amen Fleaflicker

I take all this very seriously. I was inspired by MLK as a child. I loved the man and still love everything he stood and fought for. I will not allow his legacy to be damaged by these pretenders to the throne that preach hate and hide behind the words of hope.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-13 03:26PM | 0 recs
good luck Brillobreaks

with educating the ignorant 140 million on this between now and November.  

This is going to wear Obama down to his base -- college students, the liberal elite and those African Americans who understand where this is coming from.
You honestly think the vast majority of the rest of American voters aren't going to be deeply troubled by this?  This is the perfect storm of unelectablity --
hooting it up after 9/11?
demonizing white people?
comparing Obama to Jesus?
God damn America?

If the people here need an education, imagine the education the general electorate will need on this.  

It's over.  Obama is now officially 100% unelectable.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-14 03:07AM | 0 recs
Re: So Much Ignorance Here...

you say: "These are the kind of sermons that you hear all over the place in any of our churches..."

I say: Baloney.  I attended black churches in Thomasville, Georgia for two years and I never, ever, heard these kind of racist rants there. "God damn America?"  "AIDS started in America...?" (For the record: AIDS started in Africa.) To try and sell this as typical of black churches in America today is the worst blasphemy I've heard yet on this despicable matter.  

by miriam 2008-03-14 12:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]

Clinton supporters just want the same standards of criticism for comments that come from her supporters and comments that come from Obama's supporters. This deserves at least the same ammount of scrutiny as the Geraldine Ferraro comments. I have no hope that the media will put them on the same playing field though. Michelle Obama said she didn't know if she'd support Hillar if she's the Democratic nominee, not a peep from the media. If Bill Clinton has said anything close to that the media would have crusified him.

by Christopher Lib 2008-03-13 12:16PM | 0 recs
the media already crucified him

by twisting his fairy tale remarks. The media hates the Clintons. I saw a disturbing poll number that his favorability ratings have taken a hit in this campaign. The media will continue to let Obama walk on water until the GE

by DiamondJay 2008-03-13 12:20PM | 0 recs
Re: the media already crucified him

the really sad thing about the "fairy tale" remark is that he is turning out to be totally wrong

it's more like a NIGHTMARE at this point

I just saw BO and HILL on the HILL in chambers voting and right NEXT to each other for a while and he actually put his arm around her.  They sat in the chambers together for a spell.

WTF does THAT mean I wonder?

Time to heal?

TOO late me thinks.  :-(

by CarolinaDawn 2008-03-13 12:48PM | 0 recs
arm around her

Sexist maneuver, gesture of male dominance.

by foxx 2008-03-13 03:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright

So basically you're saying you're going to make wild outlandish comments, engage in race baiting, and generic bomb throwing at the other campaign, just because you feel you got a raw deal?  To prove some stupid double standard?  This is stupid, and it hurts the party.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-13 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright

er....who are you criticizing? sounds like you're criticizing Wright, because he's done each one of those things.

by CalDem 2008-03-13 12:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright

I'm criticizing stupid tit-for-tat attacks not because it's deserved, but in retaliation for some perceived difference in reporting and standards.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-13 12:52PM | 0 recs
This isn't about tit-for-tat

I mean, there is an issue of fairness and the fact that the racebaiting came from Obama and he's the one viciously attacking Clinton and Democrats.

But let's just get down to it, this about learning about Obama.  The public doesn't want the fawning-fest that the media's been doing, they want to know who this guy is.

This is his 20 year spiritual mentor and so much more.  His moral compass, his spiritual father, the man who gave him "The Audacity of Hope" and was his guide on his Convention Speech.  We are now learning something important about Barack Obama.  We don't know him very well, like we do the Clintons and McCain.

Face it, you can sling mud at everyone and get points on this and that but the thing about Obama is we really don't know

--his legislative leanings-- he's been wierdly careful as the NY Times just pointed out last week
--who he is as a person-- America hasn't watched him in action for 10-15-20 years so they can know much one way or another
-- his philosophy-- the "change" and "hope" and "yes we can" sloganizing is now getting a little more specific.

This is about President of the United States.  Obama and his mentor need to get out of national politics, because this outdated thinking isn't the "change we believe in."

And he can go F*** himself for saying say "God Damn America."

by chieflytrue 2008-03-13 02:23PM | 0 recs
Mydd = Fox News = Free Republic.

Great progressive website.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-13 12:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]

I find it funny that he chastised Bill Clinton for sexual misbehavior - HELLO?  Jesse Jackson anyone?  LOL

by JustJennifer 2008-03-13 01:05PM | 0 recs
MLK anyone?

by foxx 2008-03-13 03:46PM | 0 recs
by inFlorida 2008-03-13 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Another scandal

No he's not. Did you read the story LOL?

by animated 2008-03-13 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Another scandal

Of course he didn't read it.  Just when did you begin to believe that freepers even knew how to read?

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-13 02:04PM | 0 recs
That does it

Jeremiah Wright lost my vote for the Presidency!

by rejectandenounce 2008-03-13 01:51PM | 0 recs
Guilt by Association?

Lets be clear about a few things here, first nowehere in that video does Wright say that Hillary doesn't deserve to be President because no one ever called her the N word. Listen to what he says and the context in which he is talking. He is talking about Obama's lifetime of battling the status quo and the racial challenges of growing up black in this country. I don't mean to defend Wright, but that is what he said it's simply a fact.

Secondly, Wright isn't speaking at a campaign rally or to the media on behalf of the Obama campaign, he is speaking to his congregation and while they are predominantly African American he is playing to his audience like any other pastor in any other church.

Thirdly, what exactly is the religous test for candidates that would appease everyone who is so bent out of shape over this video. What amount of vile could be tolerated before a candidate has to repudiate the support of that pastor? And who sets the quota?

Fourthly, I am not sure how the association of Farrakhan is relevant. Again, Obama flatly rejected the hateful things Farrakhan has said, he did not seek his endorsement nor does he use the endorsement to his advantage. Again, what would appease the masses here?

Fifthly, I didn't realize that claiming America can be blamed for what happened on 9/11 disqualifies a person from the public square. I happen to beleive that many of America's foreign policy (mis)adventures had at least something to do with the formenting of hatred that culminated in 9/11. I can see both sides of the argument, but claiming America is complicit in what happens is Wright's opinion and while many of you disagree would you disqualify everyone whose opinions you do not agree with? Didn't Bill MAher get fired from ABC for saying essentially the same thing?

Finally, does anyone really see even a semblance of consistency between what Wright says and what Obama says? There is no correlation whatsoever. Many people here at DD explicitly believe that Obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing and though he has never uttered a single word that reflects the video above he must secretly beleive everything he says becasue, after all, who doesn't follow their spiritual advisors advice word for word. In short, what I am saying is peoples distrust for Obama allow them to easily associate him to Wright because it fits their opinion of him rather easily.

Personally, i think its telling that the little Fox News logo rotated at the bottom of the video. When you can't make the NAFTA thing stick, you can't create anything out of the Rezko scandal, you can't hit him for his comments on bombing Pakistan because we actually did do that, when you have nothing on the guy what do you do? Find his preacher, find the most outlandish things he says, and hang every word of it around Obama's neck and say see he is not qualified to be President, he is guilty of association to an angry black man and he must be disqualified from the Presidency because of it. What's sad is how easily the community here swallowed it.

by AHunch 2008-03-13 02:09PM | 0 recs
Well try ABC News.

They did their own report this morning with different footage that is just as disturbing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzhl-endv co

by diplomatic 2008-03-13 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Well try CCN

they showed the entire footage between 7 and 8 lat night.  Glen Beck also did 15 minutes on Headline News.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-14 03:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]

Isn't it odd that the HRC supporters are quicker to go off the deep end with this guilt by association thinking than is David Duke.  Does that give any of you pro-HRC types at least a moment of pause?  You're so worried about associations; what about the fact that you use the wingnut talking points.  Does that make you a wingnut?

Without Sean H et. al., where would you get your inspiration.    And, Rush L is a huge supporter of HRC as he pursues his Democratic chaos agenda.  Doesn't it worry HRC-supporters that they are doing the bidding of the wingnuts?

by 1jpb 2008-03-13 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]

How exactly does this make up for G. Ferraro?

by pitahole 2008-03-13 02:38PM | 0 recs
Your tagline is troll-worthy

The B word is like the N word.  Don't use it if you're not one.

And don't call women dumb (you ignoramus).

by chieflytrue 2008-03-13 03:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Your tagline is troll-worthy

So it's ok to scream "Bitch is the new black"? Huh? Ignoramus?

by pitahole 2008-03-13 03:13PM | 0 recs
I think McCain's and Obama's spiritual advisers

are a problem for them.  McCain's spiritual adviser is Rod Parsley who believes that Christianity should DESTROY Islam.  How well is that going to go over well for McCain as a president when his spiritual adviser wants to destroy Islam especially when McCain has said things like "there will be more wars".  

Obama's pastor is a problem for him too.  What is sad about this is that out of the thousands of sermons that Pastor Wright has probably given, the media will focus on a couple of sermons in which very controversial things were said.  

I am glad that this is coming out now than in the Fall if Obama is the nominee.  It allows time for Obama to reject and denounce the controversial things his Pastor has said.  It is important that Obama goes on the record and do this now.  

by puma 2008-03-13 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]
Oprah is a member of this church and everyone can see what a menace she is.
by Becky G 2008-03-13 02:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp;amp;amp;
Oh, bull-pucky!
by Becky G 2008-03-13 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp;amp;amp;amp;

Oprah is an entertainer.  She is not running for POTUS.  And neither is Tom Cruise.  Gary Busey is - so what.  Don't care if she or Tom or Gary run - they have no chance, so don't care what there religion is.  Except, I do think that this is going to blow back hard on Oprah.

by anya109 2008-03-14 02:58PM | 0 recs
Obamo or McCain?
Actually, it's really too late. He's far enough ahead that his numbers would have to fall a lot more than they will to cause Hillary to win. He will be your president unless y'all keep trying to get him for something, then it'll be McCain. If that's OK with you then keep it up.
by Becky G 2008-03-13 02:56PM | 0 recs
Not even close to being too late

Your detachment from reality is an obnoxious form of trolling that degrades this website.

by diplomatic 2008-03-13 03:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Not even close to being too late

haha, you looked in a mirror and didn't realize it!

by marcotom 2008-03-13 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Not even close to being too late

hi rssai!

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-13 07:30PM | 0 recs
after watching those videos?

I strongly prefer McCain.  

My vote will not go towards placing someone in the presidency who financially supports and casually dismisses hate speech.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-13 06:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Obamo or McCain?

You seem to have forgotten what is important.

It is not important to have your guy (I assume you support Obama) win.  It IS important to have a good President.

At this rate, your guy is not going to be a good President...even if he wins.

by SevenStrings 2008-03-13 09:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]

Could we please keep religion out of it.

by ann0nymous 2008-03-13 03:01PM | 0 recs
Not a religion

This ISN'T a religion, this is about belonging to an organization that promotes HATE.  That entire speach was about hating and blaming white people.  I didn't hear anything about love or hope.

by Scope441 2008-03-13 03:08PM | 0 recs
Black KKK
Wow, that video was just plain scary.  It is the black version of the KKK.  Everyone in that church is a racist.  That preacher spoke nothing but hate and if Obama belongs to that church, I assume he is a racist.  How can you be so close to this type of preacher, attend those types of sermons every week and donate $20k to the church and not believe in the rhetoric?!?!?
I am upset to have watched something like that and scared to think anyone from that church could become president.  I would love to see a black president in my lifetime, but not someone who belongs to the black version of the KKK.
by Scope441 2008-03-13 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Black KKK

except the brother, mothers, and friends of KKK's parents were not lynched.  In fact they lynched... these comments come from different places.

We still lynch, but in new and creative ways... When half of our private prison population is black, and 1/10 black men are in prison.  That is lynching black communities... Wright's language may have been off, and using Barack and Hillary as analogies, was rough to our ears...but what he was saying is dead on.  Check out James Cone - then I'd like to hear your thoughts - http://www.hds.harvard.edu/news/events_online/ingersoll_2006.html

by CardBoard 2008-03-13 04:05PM | 0 recs
I don't pretend to be well versed

in any theology, white, black or purple and so I really can't speak to the substance of your remaks. I'm sure there could be some rich history that may put his remarks in a different light.

But, this is a process of selecting a candidate for the Presidency. I am pretty sure that most Americans will not take the time to read Cone and attempt to understand Obamas' church. I think they will just be kind of horrified. Most people don't equate churches with hate speech against those of another race. If this becomes widely viewed and discussed there is no way most Americans will vote for Obama. This can be a real weapon to use against him. Again, I'm not commenting on whether it should be or not, just the reality that it WILL be and one I'm sure the Republicans will have no problem exploiting.

by berkshiretrueblue 2008-03-13 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't pretend to be well versed

I agree... I just posted a Diary about my day at RedState over on Kos - same results - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/13/20435/3167/791/476184

by CardBoard 2008-03-13 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Black KKK

I'm sorry CardBoard, but I disagree with you.  This is hate speach toward a race and is simply racist.  Doesn't matter the color of the skin of the person preaching it.  If any white person stood before a crowd and gave this speach, there would be no question as to whether or not this person was racist.  Anyone who agrees with this speach is a racist.  You don't need to lynch people to be racist or a member of the KKK.

I am white and this guy blamed every white for blacks problems.  He lumped all whites together and didn't talk about how the vast majority of whites are not racist.  I am not racist and I am very offended that this guy has placed blame on my hands.  Watching this speach made me feel the same disgust as I feel when I hear those in the KKK preach their hate.  NO difference in the speach, only in the skin color of the person giving it.  

If this is what Obama believes and supports then he is racist.  I am rather still in shock that Obama has made it this far with such strong ties to this racist preacher.  I have always said I would vote for Obama either way, but after watching this, I can't vote for someone I feel is racist period.  White or black.

by Scope441 2008-03-13 09:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Black KKK

I suggest you take the time to listen to cone speak, linked below

by CardBoard 2008-03-13 11:00PM | 0 recs
the worst part

Obama has been associated with this church and ths man for 20 years. He credits Wright with bringig him to Christianity.  He was married in this church and baptised his daughters there.

Most stunning for me, he brings his young daughters to this church to hear this type of hate-filled rhetoric.  

And for the record, these are tapes for sale from the church itself.  No one dug them up or secretly recorded them.  The media didn't need to sift through thousand of hours of Wright speeches -- this was all there in the 12 tapes the church sells.

The bulk of white America will never be able to forget this or look at Obama the same way again once this has reached full media penetration and if the media drops it the 527s in the fall will never let it go.

Obama should have stood up and walked out the first time his preacher preached racial hatred and divisiveness.  Instead he made him his top spiritual advisor.

I've got to say, this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen a presidential hopeful do and I thought I'd seen just about everything.  

Complain, say it isn't fair, say religion shouldn't have anything to do with it.  But this isn't about religion, it's about racial hatred.  

The SDs and the party leaders have to take this into their consideration or we are completely 100% totally unequivicably screwed in the fall.

It's over for Obama.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-13 03:41PM | 0 recs
Did Obama walk out

When Wright was spewing this filth? If not, why not?

by sinclair 2008-03-13 03:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Did Obama walk out

Do you always walk away from people when they say something you disagree with? I don't understand how all of the commenters here seem to think this is just a black and white issue. People have complicated relationships with other people. Obama has a complicated relationship with his pastor. Big f'ing deal.

by LandStander 2008-03-13 04:06PM | 0 recs
20 years!!!

He went back there over and over again for 20 years.

by diplomatic 2008-03-13 05:12PM | 0 recs
oh come on!

No one agrees with everything their religious leader  says.  But, seriously, if your rabbi was publically proclaiming that black people were the root of all evil, you'd be okay with that?

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-13 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Did Obama walk out

I may not always walk away, but then again I'm not running to become the leader of this country.  

by Montague 2008-03-13 08:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Did Obama walk out

I walk away from racists and this guy is clearly a racist.  There are a lot of things I can stomach, but racism is not one of them.

by Scope441 2008-03-13 09:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Did Obama walk out

To be honest, I don't think this is the same thing as KKK racism.  Blacks have been treated badly in this country in a way that whites have not, and that changes the balance, in my mind.  My biggest problem with this pastor (I haven't heard his entire oeuvre, of course) is that he's a hypocrite - railing about injustice against blacks yet being unjust to gays (IIRC).

But again, I'm not running for president, so I don't have to be careful about this kind of thing.  I can imagine listening to a friend, a pastor, a teacher, a whatever saying things I disagree with, yet not condemning the person 100%.  I can imagine trying to talk sense into the person.  But I can't imagine hanging around that person's pulpit for 20 years and then expect to run successfully for president.

by Montague 2008-03-14 05:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]

Obama keeps talking about his supposedly good judgement. Then why the *&#$ does he belong to this "reverand's" church. Disgraceful.

by New York Democrat 2008-03-13 04:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp;amp; The Audacity of Obama [V

Maybe there's more to it than cherry-picked videos from a right wing news source...  Perhaps more info should be gathered before passing judgement.

by LordMike 2008-03-13 09:37PM | 0 recs
YUCK.

And remember the Wisconsin speech: words DO matter.

by Si Ella Puede 2008-03-14 09:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright

interesting both ABC and CBS had something on Rev. Wright,  but it was not even mentioned on NBC.

Neither ABC nor CBS played the "God damn America" part though (maybe they thought that too offensive.)

by moevaughn 2008-03-13 05:46PM | 0 recs
Guilt by association - sweet

Is it worth it?  Is the nomination really worth this?  Because you do understand what will happen to your candidate in November, don't you?  You understand that African-Americans, young voters and a lot of other Democrats are not going to show up to vote for Hillary right?  Do you get that?  Do you get that these disgusting attacks just might secure her the nomination but there's no chance in hell she gets elected in November, rigtht?

I'm a Democratic precinct captain in W. PA.  If she's the nominee, I will not do one thing to organize my voters to turn out for her; in fact, I'll encourage them not to.  I won't open up the phone banks, I won't go through the voter lists.  

I'd rather have a Republican than a Clinton.  At least I know what I'm getting.

by jaywillie 2008-03-13 05:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Guilt by association - sweet

You do understand that that threat cuts both ways and Clinton supporters ain't going to Obama.

Its looking like they are both damaged goods at this point. John Edwards did "suspend" his campaign and hasn't endorsed and of course there is Al Gore out there. We may need a unity candidate at this point.

by rossinatl 2008-03-13 06:26PM | 0 recs
Newsflash!

Obama is now officially unelectable.

He was sitting at 50% as it was with no room to give to either Clinton or McCain.  If these videos get the play they deserve from the media he is going to get his ass handed to him in Pennsylvania, Indiana and perhaps even NC.  

Super delegates are going to run from this like their pants are on fire.  If there are any working brains left in the party they are trying to figure out how the hell to get out of the mess that is now Obama.

If somehow he is handed the nomination?  Say hello to President McCain.  there is simply no way this will fly in the fall.  No damn way.

At least Clinton has a snowball's chance in hell.  Obama is DOA.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-13 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Guilt by association - sweet

That last sentence indicates to me that you are no Democrat.

by christinep 2008-03-13 07:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Guilt by association - sweet

Clarification: I meant the "you are no democrat" note above to reply to commenter jaywillie.

by christinep 2008-03-13 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Guilt by association - sweet

And how many white Christians do you think will vote for Obama after this?  

by miriam 2008-03-14 01:55PM | 0 recs
re

I have a few friends who voted for Obama around the country. I sent them this video and now they are all disgusted beyond words and wish they could take back their votes. One was even an Obama volunteer and now says she cannot EVER see herself voting for him.

He's done...

The news is actually running this..

How long before Obama is asked...

Do you concur with your "moral compass" and pastor of 20 years that Jesus Christ is black?

by rossinatl 2008-03-13 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]

20 years isn't a lapse in judgment, it's a commitment.

$22,000 dollars isn't a just a commitment, it's an endorsement.

Rev. Wright isn't just a "senior adviser", he's a long time mentor.

by autumnal 2008-03-13 06:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]

Ok, I watched the video again.  I'm not trying to be willfully obtuse, but what exactly do people find offensive here?

by shalca 2008-03-13 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp;amp; The Audacity of Obama [

Well, he's black... and he seems angry...  

His statements aren't any different than the right wing "gay people caused 9/11" garbage, but the video is a culture shock to anyone not familiar with black churches.

And, that's the point of the story... to make sure that Obama is further marginalized as the "black" candidate... and maybe also smear him as an "angry black man out to get whitey"...

ABC news is a real piece of work.  I've noted down below how they incorporated Republican talking points into this story.  Halperin used to work there, and he wanted to make it another Fox News.  His influence persists.

by LordMike 2008-03-13 09:33PM | 0 recs
i don't get the outrage either....

yeah, I don't get it either.

This just makes me respect Obama that much more for making a church founded on social change his religious home.

MyDD (and the Clinton campaign) is opening my eyes to a whole other faction of the Democratic party that I never knew existed.

I hope we can overcome them all in the fall...

by Damien in Texas 2008-03-14 01:36AM | 0 recs
you see? That's the problem

you don't get the outrage.

You really need to get out more before you make predictions on what the American voters will do in the fall.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-14 03:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; Obama

The problem is that you haven't seen ALL the videos.  And apparently there are still more to be released as ABC and FOX bought all of them and haven't shown some yet.

by miriam 2008-03-14 01:59PM | 0 recs
Never Thought I'd Say This

But that preacher's a total d#ckh**d.

He's got a lot of nerve talking about hatered.

And this church is tax exempt????  Sorry - but they need to have their statuts yanked asap.

by alegre 2008-03-13 07:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Never Thought I'd Say This

I believe this church is already under investigation by the IRS.  Politicking is not tax free.

by miriam 2008-03-14 01:51PM | 0 recs
so, were you asleep
for the entire pasting of Romney on crap the Mormon Church did 100 years ago?  Are you aware yet that this is not about religion and IS about the preaching of racial hatred?  
If McCain or Clinton were 20 year supporters of a preacher who spoke about black people in the same way, would you honestly be fine with that?  
Do you honestly not see how this destroys his electibility?
by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-13 07:08PM | 0 recs
she's been called a bitch plenty

by bigbay 2008-03-13 09:19PM | 0 recs
Re: I worship at the church of Molly

That's right, throw everything you've got at it. Mr. and Mrs. America are NEVER going to put Barack Obama in the White House after they see this.

Barack Obama's pastor---the man that baptized his children--gave a sermon on September 16, 2001 saying that America DESERVED September 11.

The bodies were still in the rubble of the World Trade Center when Obama's pastor made that statement.

I am beyond disgusted. And if you don't think the rest of America will be sick with disgust and will take Mr. Obama to task on the kind of people that he associates with then you are mistaken. They will play this video right alongside the tape of Michelle Obama saying that "this is the first time I've ever been proud of my country" over and over and over and over.

Rezko, Wright, Rezko, Wright, Rezko, Wright, Rezko, Wright. Wash the filth off.

If the DNC forces Barack Obama on the Democrats we will surely have a McCain presidency.
 

by cc 2008-03-13 07:23PM | 0 recs
Re: I worship at the church of Molly

WHO VOTED FOR NADER!

MOLLY WAS NICE AND FUNNY, BUT POLITICALLY DOPEY!

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-13 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]

The fact that a Harvard graduate and his Princeton educated wife attended this bad excuse for a church is appalling and does not say much for their judgement. Either that or they are craven and cynical in trying to suck up to their  equally misguided black constituents. This is not a church it is a shout drivel fest full of rancor and hatred. The "Rev" seems possessed, indeed enthralled by his own stream of consciousness abuse, not to mention his sheepish, compliant congregation, getting their cheap revenge fantasy thrills by raining down abuse on imagined enemies, this is  anything but religious. Before Obama attempts to lead this country, he must categorically answer why he compliantly sat in this "church" for 20 years. Just who is Barack Obama? What kind of man who would compliantly put up with this rubbish for 20 years, while now selling himself a uniter. Just who is this man that MSNBC, CNN, Nancy Pelosi and assorted behind the scenes powers are attempting to force on the American public?  

by superetendar 2008-03-13 07:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]
Its got to be very inconvenient for the Hillary campaign that Obamas mother is white.
Sure he was raised by his white mother and his white grandparents but some how must secretly hate white people because the pastor of the church he joined when he was 27 has said some things.
What a joke.
by joachim 2008-03-13 08:01PM | 0 recs
Re: ]

People typically attend churches that share their views of the world. I for one would never attend a church if the preacher stated my country deserved 9/11. Obama isn't a muslim if he was I wouldn't care. He has surrounded himself with black militants who yes are apewing racist language. That includes his wife who up until now has apparently hated America. Some First Lady...

by rossinatl 2008-03-13 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: ]
Obama is not responsible for all the sermons pastor Wright has given in his 40 year career.
But its funny watching an attempt to turn Obama into  the black panther leader. Again his white mother complicates the charges. Its tough to explain how a man raised by his beloved white mother and white grand parents somehow hates whitey.
Tough connection to make.
by joachim 2008-03-13 09:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]

"More frightening, Obama voted last August to give Osama bin Laden and other terrorists the same rights as Americans when it comes to intercepting their overseas calls in order to pick up clues needed to stop another attack."

Well that's not right wing media bias if I've ever seen it!... That is a complete mischaracterization of the FISA wiretapping bill position that Obama supports, which is supposed to prevent Americans from being wiretapped without court order.... an issue that DEMOCRATS are supposed to support, and something that the good people here at MyDD have been fighting hard to get our senators onboard!

ABC certainly revealed their FOX colors on that statement.... so, we see their motivation behind this story.

by LordMike 2008-03-13 09:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama [VIDEO]

And what exactly is wrong with this? Compare this to Hagee or Robertson or Swaggart or Falwall, etc. Oh, I get it. This guy is black and so is the candidate. You support Hillary so you're grasping at straws.

This is refreshing. We've heard all kinds of nefarious rumors about Wright. Turns out he's just a justifiably bitter black man who speaks truth to power from the pulpit. He is also a man who thoroughly embraces the non-violent, love your enemy ethic of Jesus Christ. This should play well among the evangelicals.

by mcgish 2008-03-13 10:27PM | 0 recs
preaching racial hatred?

What are you talking about?

Yeah, the preacher is a bit provocative, but preaching racial hatred?  I don't think so...

I can't believe myDD is supposed to be a progressive site.  You guys are pretending here that race relations have just been wonderful in this country...

What's wrong with a black pastor challenging a black congregation to expect more from their country?

-And What's wrong with a Senator and presidential candidate challenging himself with a worldview that seeks to correct the injustices we've faced as a nation?

by Damien in Texas 2008-03-14 01:29AM | 0 recs
awesome idea
too bad about that little election business in November.
You get to be just about anything you want in this country, think and say anything you want -- you just don't always get elected president when your views are from the bleachers in left field.  
by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-14 03:20AM | 0 recs
Re: preaching racial hatred?
Blaming whites for all their problems is racist.  Agreeing with this is racist.  This is the exact same type of rhetoric that comes out of the mouths of KKK members.  Blaming blacks for all their problems.  It is not right when KKK members do it and it is not right when a black preacher does it.
Anyone who supports this type of talk is a racist.  It is my opinion that Obama is racist if this is the type of preaching he supports.
by Scope441 2008-03-14 05:05AM | 0 recs
Do You All Realize...

......that in your attempt to aid Hillary by attacking Obama for words not uttered BY Obama, that you are acting just like Republicans?  

Do you realize that you are acting JUST LIKE Rush Limbaugh when he attacked Bill Clinton for remarks made by Jocelyn Elders back in 1992?

Is it getting SO LOW that we have to act like our enemies?  That the only time that limiting the conversation to "the issues" is when it is to the SOLE benefit of YOUR preferred candidate?  I had always though that as progressives, the one notion that we could hang our hats on was that WE were the party of ideas and action, and that we rejected shady, Rove-style, swift-boating OUR own candidates.

Now, I assume that Obama will repudiate and demonstrate the appropriate disgust, but I think WE ALL should be disgusted...with each other and the direction of this race, when it comes down to THIS sort of crap over a robust discussion over issues like the economy, Iraq, energy, and democracy.    

Had Hillary had the wisdom to duck out after Wisconsin, we'd all be much happier & stronger right now, as we'd be focusing on McCain, and not issues that divide us.  

If she can somehow wrest this from Obama, I'll vote for her only because I fear a McCain Presidency (which is what we are likely to get if she succeeds in her selfishness)...but I will never forgive her for the way in which she has conducted herself and her campaign.  Maybe her campaign has nothing DIRECTLY to do with the proliferation of this tape...but the environment her campaign has created has ENABLED such a device to be used.  Shame.

by a gunslinger 2008-03-14 06:40AM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED]

Obama has been pretty clear on how he feels about the divisive statements Wright has made. He also specifically denounced the Reverend's statements regarding 9/11.

I think it is absurd to be making the big deal out of this that some people are trying to make. Obama is a religious man and this man was his pastor.

I don't agree with everything my Priest says when I got to church and I know he has said some pretty awful things; but I also still love the man and respect the part he plays in my life and the lives of others. I guess that would make me unfit for public office too?

by JDF 2008-03-14 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; Obama

I saw the video yesterday on ABC in GMA program. I was shocked. I even think Barack Obama and Michelle Obama has been brain washed by hearing these hatred speeches from this pastor for 20 years. Him not wearing a US Flag Pin http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id= 3690000 and Michelle's comment that she is not proud of America unti now http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/el ection2008/2008-02-19-michelle-obama_N.h tm are strong evidence that the damage has been done permanently in thier brains. What a shame?

by Avistan 2008-03-14 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp;amp; Obama
After watching and listening to the Obama's "spiritual adviser" of 20 years, it's all beginning to make sense. Now, if only the Obama supporters would open their eyes to his hoodwinking and bamboozling.
by zenful6219 2008-03-14 09:59AM | 0 recs
Wright on Vacation
To my surprise, no announcement today regarding Rev. Wright's resignation although, as I said in the post, I don't think it matters....

CNN said this morning that Rev. Wright is "on vacation."

by zenful6219 2008-03-14 10:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Wright on Vacation

maybe a permanent one to Anartica?

by Andiclimber 2008-03-14 10:14AM | 0 recs
Re:

"I don't agree with everything my Priest says when I got to church and I know he has said some pretty awful things; but I also still love the man and respect the part he plays in my life and the lives of others. I guess that would make me unfit for public office too?"

Yes.

by Zorkon 2008-03-14 10:07AM | 0 recs
Tailspin time
Hear that wooshing sound?
That's the sound of a campaign taking a nosedive.
Think this will play well in Peoria in the GE?
Think independent conservatives will go for him or McCain now?
This is General Election poison.
by Zorkon 2008-03-14 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Tailspin time

You are dead on with your comment...
I live in rural Ohio and this will not play well in my area......

Hold on Super Delegates...we may need you to change your mind....again

I have always voted, and voted Democrat
I'm not sure I can support this if Obama is the nominee....
It just does not make sense to me on a very basic level.  How can Obama talk of hope and unity, and yet attend and financially support a church with this kind of rhetoric for over 20 years?  What a contradiction.

by jbohio 2008-03-14 12:17PM | 0 recs
Hey Darlin

Go fuck yourself. Even John McCain has more dignity than to lower himself to this level. Rot in hell. Seriously

by thenew 2008-03-14 10:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Hey Darlin

Could you be more specific as to who is supposed to go &^%$ themsleves?

by Zorkon 2008-03-14 10:55AM | 0 recs
My Goodness

Could you be more specific as to who is supposed to go &^%$ themsleves?

by Zorkon 2008-03-14 10:57AM | 0 recs
Obviously.

by thenew 2008-03-14 11:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Rev Wright &amp; The Audacity of Obama

As a democrat who voted for Obama in my state's (Georgia) primary election this past February, I am more than annoyed with myself for doing so.  If Obama gets the Democratic nomination, I don't think that I can vote for him in November. (This issue is not the only reason.  He's demonstrated that he can "inspire", but the rhetoric just isn't enough anymore. People need to know exactly how he plans to accomplish what he promises. So far, he hasn't done that. I think he's lost control of the horses, so to speak.)

I think that Reverend Wright's so-called "sermon" more than crosses the line.  He demonstrates a disturbing type of fanaticism that I would expect from someone on the far right.  Obama's weak claim that he disagrees with Wright's statements is just not enough.  If he disagrees with Wright's statements, why has he attended this church for 20 years?  Certainly he is aware of Mr. Wright's positions.  Obama certainly hasn't demonstrated the type of good "judgement" he claims on this one.  I'm just not buying into Obama's rhetoric anymore.  I say this as someone who was very keen on Obama just four weeks ago.   I do not want this candidate as my President.   I'm fed up with the "spin."  And I'm certainly not impressed by the "Reverend" Wright.  If Obama gets the dem nomination, I may even consider voting for McCain in the general election.  

by sarasvati 2008-03-14 05:01PM | 0 recs
FORNICATING ON VIDEO! NOT FOR CHILDREN

THANKS, MyDD! At last, a post succinctly stating the obvious, hidden away  from a media bent on 'annointing JEREMEIA'S MESSIAH'!   WARNING: Why does Obama/Michelle permit their two YOUNG IMPRESSIONABLE GIRLS to go to church and view the wild "lewd" and disgusting "gyrations" of Jeremiah telling crowd "Bill Clinton's doing to us black folks what he did to Monica"!--while pushed from behind by churchgoer and suggestively moving his body back and forth!

Did you see this disgusting clip! This racist is OBAMA'S ADVISOR?! OBAMYOPIA INDEED!

by Memi 2008-03-16 10:47AM | 0 recs

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