TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

On the eve of March 4th elections, some voters would appreciate more detailed answers from Barack Obama to questions that seem to be accumulating as the primary season heads into Spring and Summer.

In no particular order, the questions for Sen. Obama are:

ONE: A) What has the SENATE SUBCOMMITTEE ON EUROPEAN AFFAIRS accomplished in the 14 months you've been Chairperson; B) Is it true that you've never traveled to Europe or convened a policy hearing as Chairperson of this Subcommittee; and C) If you have not had time to lead this important Subcommittee due to your presidential bid, why haven't you stepped aside to let another Senator chair who will have the time?

    Ref:  http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/200 7/12/29/obama_europe/

TWO: A) Why didn't you back up your 2002 speech opposing MILITARY ACTION IN IRAQ with strong opposition once you became a U.S. Senator;  and B) Why does your voting record as a U.S. Senator contradict your original opposition?

    Ref:  http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id= 6226
        Ref:  http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washin gton/articles/2007/03/20/obamas_record_s hows_caution_nuance_on_iraq/?page=1

THREE: A) What did your SENIOR ECONOMIC ADVISOR AUSTAN GOOLSBEE say to the Canadian Consulate General in Chicago regarding your NAFTA intentions; and B) Why does your campaign refuse to provide a straight answer?

    Ref:  http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/1/19551 2/6896

FOUR: A) Why did TONY REZKO's wife buy the lot next door to you, on the same day you bought your house, when the Rezkos were in near financial ruin; B) Why did you participate in any transaction involving Tony Rezko when you knew he was under criminal investigation (saying that this was a "boneheaded mistake" does not sufficiently explain your actions); and C) Will you release all records related to Tony Rezko, as the Clinton campaign has requested?

    Ref: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/us/pol itics/02rezko.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/relea se/view/?id=6292
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo rld/us_and_americas/us_elections/article 3433485.ece

FIVE: A) Why don't you take the high road and publicly denounce the harassment, pressure, and threats being made on BLACK SUPERDELEGATES to switch their allegiance to you based on racial loyalty; and B) Would you similarly remain silent if white Superdelegates were pressured to support Hillary Clinton?

    Ref:  http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?u uid=62619699-3048-5C12-001FF2E54D94FE36

SIX: Why won't you state that you clearly and unequivocably reject the endorsement of LOUIS FARRAKHAN?  Your response in last Tuesday's debate to Tim Russert's question fell short of rejecting Farrakhan's endorsement.  This may help your electability with the Jewish population in the General Election.

    Ref:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/01/14/AR2008011402083. html

SEVEN: A) Why do you continue to associate with REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT of  your controversial church, Trinity United Church of Christ, when Wright has praised Louis Farrakhan; and B) Why didn't you address this part of Tim Russert's question in last Tuesday's debate?

    Ref:  http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/27/1545 39/783

EIGHT: Why is your campaign employing a strategy that encourages REPUBLICANS to change their registration for only one day, vote for you in the primary, then switch their registration back?  Is it because of the facts outlined in this article:  http://slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/a rchive/2008/02/28/a-number-you-probably- haven-t-seen.aspx ?

    Ref:  http://taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php ?id=27096
    Ref:  http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/23/1430 43/153

NINE: Why do you consistently accuse the Clinton campaign of NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING, painting Sen. Clinton as divisive and yourself as a uniter, when your campaign has played the race card and employed numerous strong-arm tactics against Sen. Clinton?

    Ref: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?i d=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304
    Ref: http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id= 6206
    Ref: http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id= 6156

TEN: On the theme of "unity," what specific accomplishments in your legislative record back up your claim of BIPARTISAN COLLABORATION?

       Ref: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/02/29/AR2008022902784. html

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ADD QUESTIONS I MIGHT HAVE OMMITTED.

UPDATE: See this new article in Huffington Post today about Obama's foreign policy/war record: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson/obamas-hollow-judgment_b_89441.html

Tags: black Superdelegates, Democratic primaries, Electability, Farrakhan, Hillary Clinton, Iraq War, negative campaigning, Obama record, race card, Republicans in Democratic primaries, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, rezko, Senate Subcommittee on European Affairs, superdelegates, Trinity United Church of Christ (all tags)

Comments

122 Comments

Question 12:

Why are you being so easy on Hillary Clinton?

by highgrade 2008-03-02 11:12AM | 0 recs
Re: As a Leader for Change, why

BHO was quick to denounce Farrakhan, he had also done so on the record before the debate.  

What about when HRC had listened politely in the West Bank city of Ramallah as Suha Arafat unleashed a torrent of accusations against Israel?

"It is important to point out here the severe damage caused by the intensive daily use of poison gas by Israeli forces in the past years that has led to an increase in cancer cases against Palestinian women and children," Mrs Arafat said.

She added that 80% of water resources were contaminated, and that the ground was full of chemicals banned internationally.

HRC did nothing at the time of the comments.  Then the next day she still didn't "denounce" the comments.

Mrs Clinton was responding to accusations by Suha Arafat that Israel had contaminated Palestinian areas with poison gas.

"Everyone who supports this (peace) effort should refrain from inflammatory rhetoric and from baseless accusations... that could in any way adversely affect what the parties are attempting to achieve,"

Now more than eight years later I demand that HRC must unequivocally and specifically denounce and reject Mrs. Arafat, or else we'll have proof that she hates Israel.

by 1jpb 2008-03-02 04:49PM | 0 recs
Re: at first Obama told Russert

Show me the transcript.  I guarantee you can't prove what you stated, he denounced Farrakhan's hate talk against Jews before HRC talked in the debate.  I saw the debate too.  He had even denounced Farrakhan's despicable comments before the debate.

What do you think about HRC taking NEVER denouncing the hateful words of Arafat?  If you have true integrity you must be consistent.

Is it true that HRC supporters are paying for pro-HRC blog posts?

by 1jpb 2008-03-02 05:17PM | 0 recs
Re: at first Obama told Russert

Is it true that HRC supporters are paying for pro-HRC blog posts?

Hell, if she's paying the ones who post here, we have found a bigger waste of campaign funds than Mark Penn's donut addiction.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: at first Obama told Russert

My question was rhetorical.

I don't want to spread the website, because we already have enough people who seem like they may be posting for money.  But if you're curious there is a diary at kos that lists the address.  

by 1jpb 2008-03-02 05:30PM | 0 recs
I don't for a moment doubt

that you have extensive experience with psychologists.

And an unhealthy interest in masturbation.

Maybe someday, you'll even learn to spell it!

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 05:51PM | 0 recs
Re: It's called "NRM" syndrome

Well, bully for you, Scooter! Now that you have a diagnosis, let's hope the cure isn't far behind.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 06:35PM | 0 recs
Can I ask a few questions?

Might I suggest that anyone interested in changing the subject of this diary thread to everything wrong with Hillary Clinton write thier own diary so there is plenty of room to address this great set of questions for Obama supporters.  That way, it won't get confusing and we will all have ample opportunity to read how each of the questions above don't matter, have been answered already somewhere or prove the diarist is a paid troll of the Clinton campaign.  

Can I add a few?

Senator Obama, you say again and again that your campaign represents a change from "politics as usual" and yet I noticed you distort complex issues into diversionary sound bites.  Would you care to define "politics as usual" and cite those commitments your campaign has made to change the nature of political campaigns?

Senator Obama, would you mind taking a moment to detail for us, YEAR BY YEAR, your specific accomplishments in the Illinois legislature, particularly examples of bi-partisan initiatives YOU WROTE as well as sponsored?

Senator Obama, in 2005 you stated on the record that you did not have the experience to be president and needed first to gain experience as a United States Senator.  Could you explain to us, specifically, what experience you gained in 2005 & 2006 that you felt prepared you for the presidency, and when you knew you were experienced enough?

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-02 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

Most of these questions are completely irrelevant to the vast majority of the American people.

If this is the best the Clinton campaign can do, no wonder why they have been losing.

by mainelib 2008-03-02 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

Running against a war hero?  Hrm, who else did that?  Bill Clinton in 1992, Bill Clinton in 1996, George W. Bush in 2000 against John McCain, George W. Bush against John Kerry in 2004...

by Setrak 2008-03-02 11:34AM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

I thought that might be true myself.  Then came the primaries and the caucuses and Obama has impressed me for what he says and how he has campaigned and also because he has been so darn successful, including in very, very white states.

I live in the whitest state in the country, a purple state with two Republican Senators.  Obama brought people to the caucuses who had never before participated and he won 59% of the vote against the establishment-backed former First Lady.

You may end up being right about Obama vs. McCain. Personally, after what I have witnessed, I just don't think so.

McCain has all sorts of problems as a candidate that people who make your argument never acknowledge.  Being a war hero is far less of a draw than you think.  Being someone who wants to bomb-bomb-bomb Iran, stay in Iraq for 100 years, and get support from an anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish bigot whose views he has not rejected or denounced are just some of his weaknesses.  He has plenty of his own questions to answer and I haven't seen him do that with the rapidity and grace and focus as Obama has when it comes to the Clinton attacks.

I hope you end up on the Democratic team in this election.  Whoever is the nominee, I'll be there.

by mainelib 2008-03-02 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

Amen.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 01:09PM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

By the way, can you tell me how much foreign policy experience William Jefferson Clinton had when he became President?  I thought he did well enough.  So does most of the country, including Hillary.  People like you give HRC supporters a bad name.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 11:45AM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

Clinton had at least traveled Europe. Clinton was a Rhodes scholar who studied at I believe Cambridge. Obama's experience is a brief few hour stopover in London.

Two years in Europe compared to a couple of hours? Come on!

by Grandma M 2008-03-02 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

I spent a few hours in Iceland and London.  A month all over the Amsterdam(maybe only an hour of that in a coffee shop.  Hey, it's a must-do).  Weeks in Vienna, Germany.. I don't claim foreign policy expertise.  Obama traveled through Eastern Europe with Lugar for the sake of nuclear proliferation.  He spent a few years in Indonesia.  He served on the Foreign Relations Committee.  It's at least more than Bill Clinton had.  Bill Clinton had next to nothing that could be called foreign policy experience, and he was still pretty darn good.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton didn't worship with a ministor who thi

This is a dangerous game.  Are you really eager to have the American public examine the beliefs of the candidates' churches?  Was that ok when people did that with Romney?  Would you want that done with Catholic candidates?

by mainelib 2008-03-02 03:44PM | 0 recs
"This is a dangerous game."

Yup. It's called desperation.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 05:11PM | 0 recs
I was right about the war in 2002!

Vote for me!

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-02 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: I was right about the war in 2002!

Because you were right about the most important issue of the last forty years? And your opponent was wrong?

Okay.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 05:50PM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

Rhodes scholars go to Oxford.

Obama has lived and travelled abroad extensively, in particular in his work with containing nuclear proliferation

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 04:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah the Nuke industry donated over 200k to

I don't think you understand counterproliferation.

But I can't say that's surprising.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah the Nuke industry donated over 200k to

Hillary co-sponsored that bill.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

Good questions, but don't expect any answers any time soon because Obama has limited reporters access to him and it will only get worse as he goes along.  He has no answers to many of these questions.  He needs Hillary to answer first because then he can copy her answers and then tack on something at the end.  His platform is a copy of hers except where his advisers want to sow discord like in the universal health debate.  He is not for universal health care, of that we are sure.

I'm afraid that Obama is a manufactured candidate, he is a person prone to coping things, not original at all.  His speeches are copied, he claims he wrote them himself, and we know that's not so because many can be found in historic records of Jack and Robert Kennedy because his speech writer is the same guy.  Of course, all politicians have speech writers but not him, according to Obama, he writes all his own stuff, yeah that's the ticket, ever looked at his web site?  His platform is copied from Hillary's positions.  Its all there in print, go look.  You will see for yourself.  Of course, Obama supporters never bother to look side by side at these platforms, because it might sow doubt about their chosen one, or maybe they can claim Hillary copied from him, like she had to or something.

by democrat voter 2008-03-02 11:25AM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

Great round up of lack of investigation.

This diary is Stellar!

by Grandma M 2008-03-02 12:22PM | 0 recs
Answers from a supporter,

As a disclaimer, I am not stating official positions.  I'm just a supporter.

#1:  It is true, Barack Obama has never held a sub-committee hearing on Europe.  He became chairman almost exactly when he launched his official campaign for the Presidency.  He hasn't used it to boost his credentials.  The basic idea is that he'll do a lot more good in the White House than he will holding a bunch of sub-committee hearings(which tend to do little).  Of course, Hillary wishes he held meetings and didn't campaign so much.

#2:   When he opposed the war, he opposed it before it was launched.  Once we went in and broke the country, we had an obligation to try and fix it.

#3:   The Obama campaign and the Canadian embassy have denied the report from CTV.  They have given answers, just not the one that the Hillary campaign wants to hear.

#4:   All records have been released.  Obama has released all of his financial information, including his tax returns and Senate ear-marks.  The property in question consisted of a house and a lot at a pretty good price.  However, the owner wanted to sell both, and Obama wanted the house.  He had no use for the lot, so he went and found someone to buy the lot(or they found him, not too sure).  This issue has been investigated fully and there's no one who suggests that in this incident, there was any wrong doing by Obama.

#5:   The pressure being applied to those super-delegates is outside of the campaign's control.  They may be supporters, but not staffers.  When Obama's campaign does try to reach out to superdelegates and endorsements, they do so in a more precise and careful fashion(as Bill Richardson himself has said.)'

#6:   Barack Obama denounced Louis Farrakhan at the debate and many times before that.  He then rejected Louis Farrakhan's endorsement.  Maybe Hillary should denounce and reject Bill Cunningham, Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter?  Maybe not.  Maybe it doesn't really matter to many beyond yourself.

#7:  Reverend Wright is in retirement.  Wright DID say that Farrakhan excelled in greatness, but that was in regards to an issue beyond "greatness in Anti-Semitism."  Something about poverty or something.  At any rate, who cares?  He made his position with Farrakhan clear.  The only ones who care are probably the last people who have any business voting in the Democratic primary(because we're suppose to be above such pettiness).

#8:  Republicans for Obama are clear in their intention; to vote for Obama, and not against Clinton.  Some trickle in to vote against her regardless of those Republicans who have genuinely been converted.  You are referring to something that was mis-reported, a commentor on Republicans for Obama said to vote against Clinton and it was reported as a statement.  There's also the guy in Nevada who tried getting Republicans to vote against Clinton, but the campaign quickly came down on him for that.

#9:  His plan LEAVES OUT 15 million(no where does it say that some people won't be allowed to buy health care), he's naive(not being afraid to meet with hostile leaders and tell them where American stands), he's rash(being in favor or strategically striking Al-Qaeda targets in Pakistan's NW Frontier), he's afraid to debate her, he's flip-flopping on public financing(I got her campaign's talking points confused with McCain's!), she's ready and others(Obama) are not, he's peddling false hopes, his head is up in the clouds, he went to a madrassa(Bob Kerrey), he's not electable because Republicans will ask him if he was a drug dealer(Billy Shaheen), etc.

#10:  
Ethics, nuclear proliferation, VA reform, etc.  Oh, and primary elections :)

As a note, the rhetoric is way too heated.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 11:29AM | 0 recs
I..

..see your Rezko(raised what, less than $100,000?), and raise you Hsu(over a million).  There have been a lot who have looked into this, and none have had any reason or legitimacy to say that wrong doing on Obama's part has occurred.  Let the trial begin.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: I..

Hsu also peraonally gave Obama $5,000 in 2006, as well as held a fundraiser for Obama's Hopefund PAC where undiclosed millions were raised. Go look it up.

by Grandma M 2008-03-02 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: I..

Politics is dirty business.  But I find it kind of funny that anyone can say "Hillary is cleaner" when she still won't release her tax returns, WH schedule during her years there, or list of donors and contributions to the Clinton Presidential library.  Personally, especially when it comes to the tax returns, we deserve to see them NOW before we even consider sending her against McCain(when she would be forced to disclose them).

by Setrak 2008-03-02 12:29PM | 0 recs
Re: I..

5,000? Which would be .05% of what he raised for Clinton?

Keep on flailing.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: oh boy...

No one said that the Republicans will ignore these issues.  

But Obama supporters, myself among them, think these issues will be answered to Americans' satisfaction, in the context of a full discussion of McCain's policies, endorsers, history of links to lobbyists, etc.

by mainelib 2008-03-02 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Answers from a supporter,

#1:  It is true, Barack Obama has never held a sub-committee hearing on Europe.  He became chairman almost exactly when he launched his official campaign for the Presidency.  He hasn't used it to boost his credentials.  The basic idea is that he'll do a lot more good in the White House than he will holding a bunch of sub-committee hearings(which tend to do little).  Of course, Hillary wishes he held meetings and didn't campaign so much.

His committee had jurisdiction over Afghanistan. We are at war in Afghanistan. That's two years of war where it was more important to be running for president that doing the nations business. If that was his decision why didn't he had over the chairmanship to someone else?

#2:   When he opposed the war, he opposed it before it was launched.  Once we went in and broke the country, we had an obligation to try and fix it.

Obama never voted against the war. He spoke about it in 2002 and since becoming a Senator he has voted almost exactly the same as Clinton. He said in 2004 that if he had been a Senator in 2002 he may have voted for the war. In my opinion, his Senate record does not give confidence that he would have stood against the war in 2002 as a Senator and taken the political heat that those who did received.

#3:   The Obama campaign and the Canadian embassy have denied the report from CTV.  They have given answers, just not the one that the Hillary campaign wants to hear.

NO. The campaign has refused to answer whether Goolsbee met with Rioux, and what the subject of that conversation was. There are other questions. Here is a list Ohio Labor Leaders Call on Senator Obama to Come Clean on NAFTA

#4:   All records have been released.  Obama has released all of his financial information, including his tax returns and Senate ear-marks.  The property in question consisted of a house and a lot at a pretty good price.  However, the owner wanted to sell both, and Obama wanted the house.  He had no use for the lot, so he went and found someone to buy the lot(or they found him, not too sure).  This issue has been investigated fully and there's no one who suggests that in this incident, there was any wrong doing by Obama.

Did Obama know where Rezko was getting the money? Did he get any money from Rezko? Did he know anything about Auchi's invovlement? Was he concerned about where the money was coming from? As a potential candidate for office did he think he had a higher burden to avoid even the appearance of impropriety? Should he have done more due diligence with regard to his business associates? This is a man running for the President of the US, where judgement is a key issue. It is not just illegality, but also good judgement that is at issue.

#5:   The pressure being applied to those super-delegates is outside of the campaign's control.  They may be supporters, but not staffers.  When Obama's campaign does try to reach out to superdelegates and endorsements, they do so in a more precise and careful fashion(as Bill Richardson himself has said.)'

I'm sure the pressures on Superdelegates from both sides is enormous.

#6:   Barack Obama denounced Louis Farrakhan at the debate and many times before that.  He then rejected Louis Farrakhan's endorsement.  Maybe Hillary should denounce and reject Bill Cunningham, Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter?  Maybe not.  Maybe it doesn't really matter to many beyond yourself.

I agree that he has answered the Farrakan matter. It probably doesn't help your arguement tostart throwing in the wingnuts.

#7:  Reverend Wright is in retirement.  Wright DID say that Farrakhan excelled in greatness, but that was in regards to an issue beyond "greatness in Anti-Semitism."  Something about poverty or something.  At any rate, who cares?  He made his position with Farrakhan clear.  The only ones who care are probably the last people who have any business voting in the Democratic primary(because we're suppose to be above such pettiness).

I don't know anything about this one.

#8:  Republicans for Obama are clear in their intention; to vote for Obama, and not against Clinton.  Some trickle in to vote against her regardless of those Republicans who have genuinely been converted.  You are referring to something that was mis-reported, a commentor on Republicans for Obama said to vote against Clinton and it was reported as a statement.  There's also the guy in Nevada who tried getting Republicans to vote against Clinton, but the campaign quickly came down on him for that.

I would not be so sure. I just saw a CNN piece with a truck in the background with a sign on the door saying something about a coalition to Stop Hillary Clinton. The news story was about how this was a Texas Republican stronghold and many people were crossing over to vote for Obama. It may be as you say, but I guess we will have to see what happens and get the post mortem.

#9:  His plan LEAVES OUT 15 million(no where does it say that some people won't be allowed to buy health care), he's naive(not being afraid to meet with hostile leaders and tell them where American stands), he's rash(being in favor or strategically striking Al-Qaeda targets in Pakistan's NW Frontier), he's afraid to debate her, he's flip-flopping on public financing(I got her campaign's talking points confused with McCain's!), she's ready and others(Obama) are not, he's peddling false hopes, his head is up in the clouds, he went to a madrassa(Bob Kerrey), he's not electable because Republicans will ask him if he was a drug dealer(Billy Shaheen), etc.

Best answer here is the most common one. Unless a Democrat starts with a plan that covers everyone universally, there is no way we will get meaningful health care reform. The powerful health, drug and insurance industries will cherry pick anything to death.

#10:  
Ethics, nuclear proliferation, VA reform, etc.  Oh, and primary elections :)

That's pretty thin. But then again the question is not very fair since he's only been in the Senate for a couple years and the entire time he's been running for President. That last is a little snarky, but I believe that it is relevant that he has hardly done anything as a Senator and already he's on the way to the White House. Also in 2004 he said that he would not run for the Presidency if elected to the Senate because he would not have enough experience. He has gone back on that promise obviously.

As a note, the rhetoric is way too heated.

Completely agree and thank you for taking the time to answer each question with a thoughtful considered response. If more people engaged in such subsantive discussions we would all do our candidates a better service.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-02 01:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Answers from a supporter,

In regards to #2, I don't dispute his voting record in comparison to Hillary's.  As I said, once we went in, the country was broken.  We have an obligation.  I never supported an immediate withdrawal, just a smart one.  Most feel the same way.  Furthermore, yes he made that comment in 2004.   You know why?  John Kerry was running against George W. Bush.  Obama didn't want to undermine Kerry.

Those Ohio Labor Leaders are all in Hillary's camp, so I don't exactly trust their objectivity.

I threw in the wing nuts to portray just how ridiculous it is that Farrakhan even became an issue or talking point.  I don't need Hillary to state if she denounces or rejects Cunningham's or Coulter's endorsements, I KNOW where she stands on them, just as I knew where Obama stood on Farrakhan.

About #9, I suggest looking into the data coming out of Massachusetts.  I live there.  Health care hasn't really improved all that much, a LOT of people are not only disobeying the mandate but getting fined for it(and not getting health care either).  I think people confuse the Massachusetts-model(basically the same as Hillary's) with single-payer.

Thanks for not being as... enthusiastic as the other HRC supporters that I've been encountering here.  Their passions are admirable, but I'm afraid that it'll lead them astray when November comes around.  Perhaps it's for the best, considering the substance that many of them have dumped here.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 02:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Answers from a supporter,

I saw him say that to Candy Crowley on YouTube Obama explains his "I don't know" quote from 2004. The John Kerry arguement, in my opinion doesn't work. In essence it says that he was willing to say something that he a) either didn't mean at the time he said it, or b) he meant it and has since changed his mind back. If a) then he was disembling then for political expediency. If b) He has no business saying we was consistently against the war. In either case it demonstrates a degree if disingenuity that undermines hisw claim to have been consistently against the war from the start.

Why does it matter who's camp the Ohio leaders are in? The questions are valid independent if they come from Obama supporters or Clinton supporters. You certainly don't intend to imply that he should only answer questions from Obama supporters do you? We've see way too much of that the last eight years.

We are agreed on Farrakan et al...

Massachusetts is a great example of why this has to be a national mandatory program. Imagine if social security was optional or state run with each state doing something different.

My impression is that both sides dump a bunch of garbage that clutters up reasoned discourse and embarrasses their candidates. I can't even post on DKos anymore with howls of derission. I guess that's the nature of the elections. You might be interested in my diary (pimp alert) here What's Wrong With Our Blogs? and on DKos

And thanks again. This has been fun and rewarding.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-02 02:26PM | 0 recs
LOL...I fell off my chair!

"He became chairman almost exactly when he launched his official campaign for the Presidency.  He hasn't used it to boost his credentials."

WTF.  Is that the best you can do to explain his lack of ANY WORK on a committee that was responsible for oversite of GW in - of all places, Afghanistan.

So the Big BO is waiting to be POTUS before he does anything on one of his big foreign policy claims.

Oh, please.

by Shazone 2008-03-02 02:24PM | 0 recs
by 1jpb 2008-03-02 02:49PM | 0 recs
Add this to #1

I just put this on another myDD rant/diary.

Do you people even care that Obama's subcommittee doesn't have jursdiction over the American interests in the Afganistan?  That is covered by Kerry's committee.

In fact AFAICT doesn't meet much (7 times in 9 years before Obama.)

Even Richard Lugar has said that criticizing Obama for not holding hearings on Afghanistan & NATO is unfair. Any hearings on that topic, he has said, are important enough that they'd be held before the full Foreign Relations Committee.

by 1jpb 2008-03-02 04:57PM | 0 recs
NATO

His committee is responsible for our relations with NATO countries.  We rely upon NATO forces in Afghanistan, which also shares a border with states of the former Soviet Union.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-02 05:47PM | 0 recs
Re: NATO

Did you read my post above?  Lugar even verified the NATO aspects would go to the full committee.

by 1jpb 2008-03-02 07:27PM | 0 recs
Since you ask

What I care about is that BO hasn't been doing the job he was hired to do - i.e., be a senator from Illinois.  In 2006 he said he would NOT run for national office in 2008.  

But no, instead of doing what the people of Illinois sent him there to do, he's been, by his own admission, running for president pretty well full-time.

He has a history of fickleness.  I don't want someone with that record to be president.  That's all.

by Montague 2008-03-02 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Since you ask

Well good for you, I always say "everyone needs a hobby."  Apparently your hobby is seeking out and opposing fickleness.  Good luck with that.  I'll let you know if I come across any fickleness, and then you can take charge from that point.

by 1jpb 2008-03-02 07:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Since you ask

Funny, the good people of Illinois, Democrats in particular, are pretty happy with his performance. What did he win the primary by? thirty points?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 07:33PM | 0 recs
Only two items

That is, I only want to address two items, although more could be addressed.

#1.  This is one of my very biggest beefs with Obama - that he has spent nearly his entire Senate tenure not doing the work he was "hired" to do.  Instead he has been running for another job.  Back when he won against the woebegone Keyes, he said he wouldn't run for national office in 2008.  Well, here we are.  Hillary kept her word to the voters of New York and got significant (and often bipartisan) work done in the Senate.  For Obama, everything is a stepping stone and he really is all about himself.  

#6.  The "endorsements" of Limbaugh and Coulter (I don't know who Cunningham is) are not real endorsements, as we all know.  Farrakhan, OTOH, was very serious about his endorsement.  If someone wants to ask HRC in a debate about the words of Coulter et al., I'm sure she will renounce any desire to have any of these folks endorse her.

by Montague 2008-03-02 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Only two items

How, exactly, is Barack Obama responsible for the "seriousness" of Farrakhan's endorsement?

I mean this sincerely: Does that fact that you have to work so hard to find reasons to oppose Obama tell you anything about him? Like maybe, he's not as bad as you want to tell yourself he is?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 07:34PM | 0 recs
#2

If the author of this diary has integrity they must include this link:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/ statements/284/

Anyone taking this quote out of context is guilty of manipulation and should not be trusted.

by 1jpb 2008-03-02 05:03PM | 0 recs
#7

I have posted this in another manipulative pro-HRC diary.

BHO was quick to denounce Farrakhan, he had also done so on the record before the debate.  

What about when HRC had listened politely in the West Bank city of Ramallah as Suha Arafat unleashed a torrent of accusations against Israel?
"It is important to point out here the severe damage caused by the intensive daily use of poison gas by Israeli forces in the past years that has led to an increase in cancer cases against Palestinian women and children," Mrs Arafat said.
She added that 80% of water resources were contaminated, and that the ground was full of chemicals banned internationally.

HRC did nothing at the time of the comments,even though she was listening to a translation.  Then the next day she still didn't "denounce" the comments.

Mrs Clinton was responding to accusations by Suha Arafat that Israel had contaminated Palestinian areas with poison gas.
"Everyone who supports this (peace) effort should refrain from inflammatory rhetoric and from baseless accusations... that could in any way adversely affect what the parties are attempting to achieve,"

Now more than eight years later I demand that HRC must unequivocally and specifically denounce and reject Mrs. Arafat, or else we'll have proof that she hates Israel.

by 1jpb 2008-03-02 05:06PM | 0 recs
Re: #7

He has denounced Farrahkan's anti-Semitic stance but not his anti-white bigotry and rhetoric.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-02 05:49PM | 0 recs
Re: #7

Rejoice white people (like me) Obama decries racism against us too.  Hooray!  

"I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan," Obama said in the statement.

Every form includes against us white folk.  We will finally throw off the burden of racism that has historically hurt us white folk.  Come on grassrootsorganizer, grow up--we've got real problems in this world.

This is from WaPo Jan 15, 2008

by 1jpb 2008-03-02 06:23PM | 0 recs
Re: #7

thanks for the clarification on Obama's statement.  I apologize I hadn't seen it and was going only on his debate response.

Reverse racism and race baiting is only a small direct problem for me and other members of the white community -- I do think the bigotry of Farrahkan does a tremendous disservice to black people by promoting segregation, distrust and misunderstand. Race based hatred of any kind also serves to partially legitimize bigotry of all kinds.

My point was, based only on Obama's debate answer, Farrahkan's anti-Semitism is onconcionable, but so is his racial stereotyping and open bigotry.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-02 07:49PM | 0 recs
Re: #7

Malcolm X turned away from the Nation of Islam.  And, he new them as well as anyone.

But, he also said that he preferred R's because they were wolves and D's were wolves in...

I sure hope the HRC team keeps things above board so that this campaign doesn't prove X was right about the wolves in sheep's cloths.

by 1jpb 2008-03-02 10:17PM | 0 recs
Re: THREE MORE GOP Questions
Answers:
#1:  Secular.
#2:  Actually, George Washington had less.  Thomas Jefferson had less.  Abraham Lincoln had less.  JFK and Bill Clinton were both younger than Obama when they became President.
#3:  That's a new one.  Source it.
#4:  "I'm sorry that you're all still able to only see in the shallow shades of skin color."
by Setrak 2008-03-02 11:32AM | 0 recs
Re: and you wonder why we call you a cult?

Jefferson was a Founding Father before he was even 35.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 11:43AM | 0 recs
Re: and you wonder why we call you a cult?

Well, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that most of our Presidents didn't have that much experience.

FDR had a very brief stint as a state senator from NY, one term as governor of NY, assistant secretary of the Navy during WWI and a failed Vice Presidential bid before becoming President.

Eisenhower had no experience in public office.

JFK had 14 years of public service before becoming President;  Obama has 12 years(8 as a state senator, 4 as a US Senator)

LBJ was one of our most experienced Presidents; so was George H.W. Bush.  Nixon was very experienced.

Reagan had two terms as governor of CA.

Jimmy Carter was a state senator for about 4 years and had 1 term as governor.

Simply because a person has experience, that is no indication of what kind of President they would be.  It's a pretty negative correlation.

by jaywillie 2008-03-02 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: and you wonder why we call you a cult?

By the way, can you tell me how much foreign policy experience William Jefferson Clinton had when he became President?  I thought he did well enough.  So does most of the country, including Hillary.  People like you give HRC supporters a bad name.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 11:45AM | 0 recs
Re: and you wonder why we call you a cult?

How much experience did Abraham Lincoln have?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 12:51PM | 0 recs
Question 13

Obama's healthcare plan leaves 15 million people uninsured. When these 15 million get sick and go to the ER, who will pay for their healthcare? Right now, the insured indirectly pays for the uninsured. Hospitals and doctors need to make money so they pass the cost of the uninsured to the insured. How will Obama prevent hospitals and doctors of passing on the cost  of treating the unsinsured to the insured like they do now?

by harmony94 2008-03-02 11:48AM | 0 recs
A fair question,

but the language is misleading.  Obama's plan does not leave on 15 million people, it's all about ASSESS to health care.  Of course not EVERYONE will get insurance under his plan, and to prevent people from cheating the system he has toyed with the idea of a fee or fine of some kind.   However, Hillary's plan does not guarantee that everyone will have insurance.  She has yet to say how her mandate would be enforced(which is VITAL if a mandate is the main difference between the health care plan) and has yet to specify the subsidies that would be given to those that would be forced to buy health insurance.

Mandated health care can have horrible consequences.  Just ask the good people of Massachusetts.  Romney and the Democratic state congress got us universal health care(not single-payer, and loved by the insurance companies), and we still have plenty of people who are uninsured.  Worse yet; not only do they not have health care, but they have a fine ontop of it.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 11:53AM | 0 recs
Re: A fair question,

The 15 million line is so misleading. Obama doesn't "leave out" anyone. He just doesn't require that they buy private health insurace.

by mainelib 2008-03-02 11:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Question 13

That's what Hillary says but it's simply not true.  First of all, neither candidate is proposing universal healthcare.  Hillary is proposing universal health INSURANCE -- a law requiring everyone to purchase private health insurance or be punished.  Such a law will never get passed - in fact, I wouldn't even want a law passed where the federal government takes money from me forcibly to pay it to a large corporation.

Obama's plan is that he will force the mandate against the insurance companies instead of us.  He will force them to reduce the premiums and remove the restriction for pre-existing conditions.  Those people who have no insurance because 1) they can't afford it and/or 2) they couldn't get it because of medical history, will be able to purchase it under his plan.

Hillary picked a number of 15 million people who she thinks would not buy health insurance even if it was available and affordable.  I seriously doubt that is accurate.

by GFORD 2008-03-02 02:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Question 13
You are ignoring the large group of people, primarily young people, who will not purchase insurance even if they can afford it because they don't think they need it and would prefer to spend the money somewhere else.  
This will throw the burden of healthcare costs on those who can least afford it -- working class families with children, those with chronic illnesses and working class persons nearing retirement age.  Many young people will opt out because they don't imagine themselves needing health insurance until they are surprised by a sudden chronic illness or disabling accident.  Even Obama admits at that point his plan would demand they pay their back premiums -- a ludicrous idea and again, throwing the full burden of healthcare costs on those who can least afford it.
by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-02 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Question 13

And how is that "leaving them out"?

by mainelib 2008-03-02 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Question 13
Exactly.  If they opt out, how is that the same as leaving them out?  And his plan has help for those who can't afford even the lowered premiums.
And I still haven't seen a rationale for where the 15 million number came from (unless thin air counts).
by GFORD 2008-03-02 07:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Question 13

it is leaving them out of the shared cost of everyone's healthcare including their own should tragedy strike them.  This increases the costs for everyone else.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-02 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Such blasphemy against the Messiah!!!!
I don't get outraged.  I don't think of Obama as the Messiah, just a whole lot better than Clinton.  Let me ask you a question;
In the early 1990's, we had this thing called the Gulf War.  A guy named Richard Cheney was asked why we didn't go into Iraq to remove Saddam from power.  He said, basically, that there's no clear exit strategy.
In 2002, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee asked everyone to read something called the National Intelligence Estimate.  Despite claims that she was fully breifed on the intelligence surrounding Iraq, Hillary Clinton did not read the NIE.  She still went ahead and voted for the war, even giving a long-winded speech about her vote.
Do you really think the one breifing her was her intelligence or military adviser, and NOT her pollster Mark Penn?
by Setrak 2008-03-02 12:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Question 11:

You do not understand - the MONTHS of race baiting - which if any of you looked is the same card Obama used as a child - plus the rabid and vile remarks, plus the grotesque Misogyny have assured you that your guy will NEVER get my vote for ANYTHING, Abd U gave talked with hundreds across the country who feel the same way.

IF McCain becomes president it is because YOU did not do your homework and check Obama out - so please, do not come around trying to blame us for what you did.

by Grandma M 2008-03-02 12:13PM | 0 recs
Race Baiting?

Was it Obama's campaign staff that was caught forwarding viral e-mails about him being a Muslim, a racist, a terrorist?
Was It Obama's campaign, or Bob Kerrey(Clinton surrogate) that said "it's so nice that his middle name is 'Hussein" and that he went to a madrassa"?
Was It Obama's campaign or Billy Shaheen who questioned his electability?  Who said that the Republicans would be asking if he was ever a drug dealer?
Was It Obama's campaign that, when asked for an opinion on the criticism of two Clintons running against Obama, that said "well, Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88?"

The only thing that Obama's campaign did was that one memo, put together by a single staffer in South Carolina, that really was nothing other than a collection of ill-advised comments about Barack Obama.  It was the first and LAST of those memos.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 12:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Race Baiting?
One more thing;
I don't think the Clintons are racist anymore than I think Obama is sexist.  The MSM hypes everything.
by Setrak 2008-03-02 12:23PM | 0 recs
Re: You little snits are despicable..

Southern Strategy.  Ask Dick Morris.  He knows the Clintons, Hillary hired him.  Aaand relax.  Or better yet, explain why Bill Clinton answered the question(opinion of criticism that Obama's campaigning against both Clintons) with "well Jackson won here in '84 and '88."   Judging by a lot of the comments I see here, I know where the remnants of the racist Democrats have flocked towards.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: You little snits are despicable..

I also want to restate something; I don't think Bill or Hillary are racist anymore than I think Obama is sexist.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: THREE MORE GOP Questions

Obama claimed he was a Muslim until he was 26, when he met Rev. Wright. Two reports have asked that first question of Obama's sister Maya. BTW Maya now considers herself a Buddahist.

Amazing the iformation you find when you google.

by Grandma M 2008-03-02 12:16PM | 0 recs
Re: THREE MORE GOP Questions

Cite sources, Grandma M.  ESPECIALLY if you are going to make outrageous claims like that to try and paint him as a scary closet-Muslim.   I thought this was a place for Democrats with Democratic Ideals, not Democrats with right-wing Republican hate-peddling and fear-mongering.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 12:48PM | 0 recs
Re: THREE MORE GOP Questions

Grandma M I have read your diaries and there is certainly a lot of information in them. I also think from your comments that you believe that Obama is sexist, and that this disqualifies him.

Concerning your work. For me it divides into three camps 1) issues related to Obama's substantive public record and 2) issues related to his race and religion 3) issues related to sexism.

I also see that you harbor concerns that the Republicans will use at least 1) and 2) against him in the general election and that he is unprepared for the onslaught, particularly given the substance of 1) and 2), but also his naivety and general inexperience in dealing with a very clever, viscious and power opposition which controls the media. (This is something I too am terrified of and have written extensively about.)

I think many here would like to better understand your purpose in raising these issues, because many have responded to your posts with concerns about rascism on your part.

First concerning 1). It seems obvious that substantive stuff about his record including NAFTAgate and Rezko are very big time bombs that the wingnuts will do everything they can to exploit. To the extent that he has been given a free pass on these matters by the media so far and the way he has addressed them (like refusing to answer...) we have a huge problem.

Concerning 2). I appreciate that the right wingers will use all this race stuff that you have dug up. It is imperative that Democrats go into the general with as much knowledge as possible about what is going to be coming at us. Is that the purpose behind you research, or are you trying to play the race card yourself? It is a simple question?

Concerning 3). I don't know. I have my own opinion, but that's not the subject of my comment here, but by all means feel free to comment on this as well.

Bottom line is that there has been a lot of negative reaction to your posts from the point of view of race and religion and it might be a good idea to step back and explain yourself if you want to.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-02 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

This site will be my third visit (after Taylor Marsh and Democratic Underground) when Obama gets the nomination, which may be rather soon.

I can't wait to see the heads exploding.  I've never seen such vitriol and irrationality bantied about.  

Get a grip, folks.  He's a great politician; he's done an amazing job; let's help him pull off the big win in November.

by foxsucks81 2008-03-02 12:31PM | 0 recs
No thanks, we'll sit this one out...

if BO is the Dem candidate...and write in Hillary Clinton.

by Shazone 2008-03-02 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: No thanks, we'll sit this one out...

Don't care about the country or the party, it's just all about Hillary?  Don't care if McCain wins and elects conservative judges, sends us into more wars, trashes the economy, shreds the constitution -- just planning have a fit of pique because your candidate did not win the primary?

Then the hell with you.

by GFORD 2008-03-02 02:45PM | 0 recs
We've cared about those things....

and worked actively for them for the past 40 years.  Since the Dem party doesn't seem to care anymore and you seem hell-bent on nominating an empty suit, my husband and I will do as you've asked...and butt out.

You guys have done a hell of a job alienating former supporters of progressive ideals.

Good luck.

by Shazone 2008-03-02 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: We've cared about those things....

"Empty suit"?  The man is brilliant.  Harvard Law Journal editor--he has friends in all sorts of positions.  He will have the smartest, most capable team running the country--get a grip!  Hillary can't do all the shit by herself...she needs Congress, and they don't like her!  

She'll have a mandate for 4 years of stale-mate and BS.  It's a bad choice.  You're just spitting in the wind at this point.

by foxsucks81 2008-03-02 04:30PM | 0 recs
Congress may well end up Repug....

in November after its horrible past year. Then what will your man do?  Oh, that's right, he'll play to his Repug friends and be "bi-partisan" - probably make Joe Lieberman Sec. of Defense.

And he is an empty suit - all talk and no action...except to be "present" a few times.

by Shazone 2008-03-02 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Congress may well end up Repug....

Seriously, you aren't still shilling that thoroughly debunked "present" story as a justification? Your only reason for disliking Obama is a proven lie, yet you cling to it. Why?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Congress may well end up Repug....

Lay off the kool-aid and you might notice that not only do most people respect both candidates for their values and their hard work but the two candidates have enormous respect for each other.

It's only you (and a few of your friends apparently) who won't support whatever candidate wins the majority of votes in the primary.

by GFORD 2008-03-02 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Congress may well end up Repug....

I like HRC.  I will vote for her gladly.  I just don't see the republicans gearing up to help her tackle the tough problems we'll be facing on day one.

I see stalemate with her at the helm.

by foxsucks81 2008-03-02 07:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Congress may well end up Repug....

I agree.

by GFORD 2008-03-02 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: No thanks, we'll sit this one out...

Two more "conservative" Supremes and our children won't recognize this country when they grow up. This is too important an issue. My major concern is getting a Democrat in to appoint the next justices. Let's not be crazy.

This is why I'm terrified of an Obama nomination. I think that the right wing media will eat him up. I think they can't wait until he's the nominee...

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-02 03:01PM | 0 recs
Our children are grown....

and we gave them a couple of good Supremes.  I guess the next ones will sadly be left to Obamaphiles or McCain.

I don't trust Obama as far as I can throw him and fully expect him to waiver on good Supremes if/when his opportunity to do so arises.

Hell, he's prepared to put Repugs in his cabinet in key positions when really good Dems are available - all for the sake of Kumbaya.

And remember, what he promises on the campaign trail is just politics - and he won't do what he says he will (per CTV).

by Shazone 2008-03-02 03:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Our children are grown....

He's talking predominately about Hagel, who's not a fan of the Iraq war and isn't the kind of Republican that does what the RNC tells him.  Then there's Lincoln Chaffee, the only Republican Senator that outright voted against the war.   Some talk of Colin Powell, who's very moderate..

by Setrak 2008-03-02 03:27PM | 0 recs
Colin Powell...of alumininum tube

fame?

Hey, great pick!  Why not Condi Rice and Donald Rumsfeld?

And Cheney will probably be looking to pull the strings of yet another puppet.

by Shazone 2008-03-02 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Colin Powell...of alumininum tube

It was Condi Rice who tried to sell aluminum tubes. Colin Powell had a bag of flour he said was anthrax.

Oh... and it wasn't Obama who said he wants to bring the Bush Court Eunuch back to government.

"I won't even wait until I'm inaugurated, but as soon as I'm elected I'm going to be asking distinguished Americans of both parties - people like Colin Powell, for example, and others - who can represent our country well, including someone I know very well," Mrs. Clinton said, according to a Fox News Web report. "Because I want to send a message heard across the world. The era of cowboy diplomacy is over."

and another meme bites the dust.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 05:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Our children are grown....

Bill Clinton has Republicans in his cabinet, including as Secretary of Defense.

by mainelib 2008-03-02 06:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Our children are grown....

I don't know why you cling to this fantasy that Obama is secretly pro-life

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 05:04PM | 0 recs
Makes you wonder...

just who the sorry hero-worshippers really are.

by jaywillie 2008-03-02 06:02PM | 0 recs
are you at all capable of understanding
there are many voters who
1. do not want an inexperienced opportunist as president
2. believe the country has too many urgent concerns right now to place their faith in the rhetoric of change
3. have been burned too many times by Democrats who led strong primary campaigns to blow up under the scrutiny and demands of the GE
4.  find Obama a deeply flawed candidate and ill prepared for the presidency
5. have found his campaign divisive, alienating and undermining of the Democratic party
by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-02 06:04PM | 0 recs
Re: are you at all capable of understanding

There are those who prefer an experienced opportunist.

by mainelib 2008-03-02 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: are you at all capable of understanding

and do you, in turn, understand, that what you present as simple facts appear to a great many people to be the over-the-top carryings-on (I'm putting that as gently as I can) of someone upset about being on the losing end of a primary?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 06:40PM | 0 recs
Re: are you at all capable of understanding

so you choose to see it.  I know myself and realize that regardless of how I might appear to you I have been through a number of primary and general losses and no the difference between disappointment with a candidate and genuine ongoing concerns.  

I imagine many peopple out there will be incapable of seeing my position as anything other than sour grapes and will thus insist on addressing me as if my concerns are ot genuine.  Too bad, because come the fall that's no way to win a GE.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-02 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: are you at all capable of understanding

Exaggerated, not un-genuine. Sour grapes, definitely.

As for the GE, I would see Clinton losing thirty states to McCain. We'll never know who's right.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 09:50PM | 0 recs
FYI

I came to my decisions about both Obama and Clinton relatively late in the game.  In early 2007, I was angry at Senator Clinton for declaring for many of the superficial reasons typically put out there.  I was also on pins and needles waiting for the Obama announcement and quite pleased when it came.
Until January of this year I found my views on most issues most closely reflected by Edwards, still liked Obama and had Clinton on "ignore".

Since January I started paying much closer attention to the campaign and did my homework and settled on Clinton for a number of reasons.  I still could have supported any Democrat until the past month when every day brought more and more concerns about Obama's credibility, experience and campaign tactics.  

Call that "sour grapes" if that makes you more comfortable but it is possible to come  to a strongly negative opinion of Obama without being a "Clintonista".   But again, if that's how you need to see this, so be it.  Whatever leaves you comfortable with your choices.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-03 02:09AM | 0 recs
Re: FYI

I have never seen that "strongly negative opinion of Obama" rationally explained. Certainly not here. Maybe that explanation is drowned out by the rantings and railings of the usual recommended diarists.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-03 06:07AM | 0 recs
Re: FYI

I'd be happy to explain my "strongly negative opinion" but I'd rather not endure the attacks on my character and negativity.

I put my reasons out there in comments but hesitate to do so in a diary.  I consider my reasons intelligent and rational but I've noticed extremists from both sides tend to hijack discussions.  

I consider Obama untested and inexperienced especially where it counts; I think he's duplicitous, evasive and misleading; I do not approve of his style of driving people, particularly "one day Democrats" and young people  to the polls; I do not approve of his dismissal of longtime Democratic warriors; I find his approach to foreign policy naive; I credit his campaign for dividing the party; I find his approach to universal healthcare disengenuous; I am not at all confident he can well unite, lead or administer the country.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-03 08:03AM | 0 recs
Re: FYI

I find his approach to foreign policy naive;

Well, we have a fundamental difference of opinion then, because his foreign policy is the clincher in my support of him. I think HRC is, in foreign  policy, cut from the same "toughness" mold as Joe Lieberman.
As for Obama dividing the party, Clinton and McCain are using pretty much the same talking points for the last two weeks. Today she said that she and John McCain both have the experience to be CiC.
Why is she making the case for the Repubican nominee?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-03 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: THREE MORE GOP Questions

1) What was your Religion before you joined the Trinity church 15 years ago?

Haters4Hillary are inventing religious tests for political office?

You morons really need to familiarize yourselves with the Constitution.

2) How can you justify being the democratic nominee when you would have LESS Experience as President than ANY other President in U.S. History?

Never heard of this Lincoln fella?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: THREE MORE GOP Questions

Oh, give the poor little fellow a break, can't you see he doesn't even know how to count?

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-02 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

Question 11: WHY IS HE SUCH A MUSLIM?!??!

by amiches 2008-03-02 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: why did he say nothing when his church

He has.  He denounced Farrakhan's anti-semitism, amongst other things, many times.  No matter how often you say "he didn't say anything," it doesn't change reality.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 03:12PM | 0 recs
Hahaha, this got recommended!

It's unfortunate to see that Hillary, who I do admire, is being promoted by the kind of people posting some of this garbage.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 01:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Hahaha, this got recommended!

The original questions are mostly fair ones in my opinion. I agree that some of the comment questions concerning race and religion are not appropriate. The point some may be trying to make is that those things will be taken up by the right wing Thugs in the general. Well, that should not be any of our concern. Democrats need to win with the truth, and not run and hide from the big nasties on the other side.

We will be running a woman or an African American man. The wingnuts are going to try to have a field day with either. That's the ground Democrats need to stake out and hold. This is a country of all races and both genders. We can win that one. The other stubstantive concerns raised by most of these questions need to be separated from race related issues.

That is not to say that we don't need to go in with our heads up realizing what is going to be coming at us with either of our candidates, but we need to reject the premise that they will beat Obama because of his race/religion or Clinton because of her gender. That's their game and we don't need to play it.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-02 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Hahaha, this got recommended!

AMEN!

by Setrak 2008-03-02 02:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Such blasphemy against the Messiah!!!!

Those who support him think he has run an excellent campaign and has the appropriate judgement and experience to be our next president.

Why is it that those who don't support Obama call him the Messiah?  That seems wrong on so many levels.

by GFORD 2008-03-02 02:40PM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

3/2/2008
Misleading Attack: Sen. Obama Flubs in Ohio
Earlier today, Sen. Obama attacked Hillary on Iraq by invoking Sen. Rockefeller and incorrectly saying that the WVA Senator opposed the 2002 Iraq vote. The truth is that Sen. Rockefeller voted for the war resolution - not against it as Sen. Obama suggested to the people of Ohio. This seems to be an Obama campaign talking point since its top strategist also claimed that Sen. Rockefeller voted against the war resolution when he was on national television this morning.

"Sen. Obama is so desperate to divert attention from his limited national security experience that he's not just misleading voters about Sen. Clinton, he's also misleading voters about his own supporters. That is not change you can believe in." -- Clinton spokesperson Phil Singer

by americanincanada 2008-03-02 02:42PM | 0 recs
From Obama's Factcheck;

Fact Check on Clinton Campaign's Claim that Obama Asserted Rockefeller Voted Against the War
March 02, 2008

Despite the Clinton campaign's claims, Barack Obama was clearly referring to Senator Graham, not Senator Rockefeller today"Now I have to say, when it came to making the most important foreign policy decision of our generation - the decision to invade Iraq - Senator Clinton got it wrong. She didn't read the National Intelligence Estimate. Jay Rockefeller read it, but she didn't read it. I don't know what all that experience got her because I have enough experience to know that if you have a National Intelligence Estimate and the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee says, "You should read this, this is why I'm voting against the war," you should read it. I don't know how much experience you need for that."
Bob Graham, The Chair Of The Intelligence Committee in 2002, Voted Against The War Because Of What He Read In The Nie

Senator Graham: The Classified NIE "Contained Vigorous Dissents On Key Parts Of The Information" With "Particular Skepticism" on Aluminum Tubes--"The American People Needed To Know These Reservations." In an op-ed titled "What I Knew Before the Invasion," Bob Graham wrote of the classified National Intelligence Estimate, "There were troubling aspects to this 90-page document. While slanted toward the conclusion that Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction stored or produced at 550 sites, it contained vigorous dissents on key parts of the information, especially by the departments of State and Energy. Particular skepticism was raised about aluminum tubes that were offered as evidence Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program. As to Hussein's will to use whatever weapons he might have, the estimate indicated he would not do so unless he was first attacked. The American people needed to know these reservations, and I requested that an unclassified, public version of the NIE be prepared. On Oct. 4, Tenet presented a 25-page document titled 'Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs.' It represented an unqualified case that Hussein possessed them, avoided a discussion of whether he had the will to use them and omitted the dissenting opinions contained in the classified version. Its conclusions, such as 'If Baghdad acquired sufficient weapons-grade fissile material from abroad, it could make a nuclear weapon within a year,' underscored the White House's claim that exactly such material was being provided from Africa to Iraq. From my advantaged position, I had earlier concluded that a war with Iraq would be a distraction from the successful and expeditious completion of our aims in Afghanistan. Now I had come to question whether the White House was telling the truth -- or even had an interest in knowing the truth." [Washington Post, 11/20/05]

The Contents Of The NIE Led Bob Graham To Vote Against The War. Gerth and Van Natta wrote, "The question of whether Clinton took the time to read the N.I.E. report is critically important. Indeed, one of Clinton's Democratic colleagues, Bob Graham, the Florida senator who was then the chairman of the intelligence committee, said he voted against the resolution on the war, in part, because he had read the complete N.I.E. report. Graham said he found that it did not persuade him that Iraq possessed W.M.D. As a result, he listened to Bush's claims more skeptically." [New York Times, 6/3/07]

Sen. Graham Read The NIE Before Voting Against The Iraq War. "But no more than a half-dozen or so members actually come to review the NIE, despite the urgings of Peter Zimmerman, the scientific advisor to the Senate foreign relations committee, who is one of the first to look at the document. Zimmerman was stunned to see how severely the dissenting opinions of the Energy Department and the State Department undercut the conclusions that were so boldly stated in the NIE's 'Key Judgments' section. He later recalls, 'Boy, there's nothing in there. If anybody takes the time to actually read this, they can't believe there actually are major WMD programs.' One of the lawmakers who does read the document is Senator Bob Graham (D-Fl). Like Zimmerman, he is disturbed by the document's 'many nuances and outright dissents.' But he is unable to say anything about them in public because the NIE is classified." ["Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War," Isikoff and Corn, p. 133-134, 137]

by Setrak 2008-03-02 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: My Response to Qu. 1 Answers

I'll concede, maybe he should have abstained from accepting the chairmanship.  He knew when it was given that he'd be running a vigorous campaign against Clinton.  However, people are also greatly exaggerating the importance of that sub-committee.     Sure, he would have been able to conduct some oversight of Afghanistan; such as, "we need more troops there," "we need to stop opium production," "stop government corruption", etc.

As for his foreign policy credentials, he sits on the Foreign Affairs Committee.  That's more than the foreign policy experience that Bill Clinton had(which was none at all), and he was pretty good.

by Setrak 2008-03-02 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: My Response to Qu. 1 Answers

Someone in politics, running for the Presidency, with an ego?  Say it isn't so!

by Setrak 2008-03-02 03:10PM | 0 recs
Are you Tim Russert?

Tim Russert is known for smearing Democrats with lies and falsehoods.

by bigdavefromqueens 2008-03-02 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

A current controversy not getting enough attention in blogs or msm regarding Obama`s stance on using private contractors in Iraq in the future is a big issue for me.  This issue is a big deal in a current issue of "The Nation" magazine.

You did not mention this big item regarding Obama.  Everyone needs to be aware of it!  Read this article just published in "The Nation".  Considering private contractors in Iraq are as big as our military there, Obama has no intention of leaving Iraq anytime soon.  Obama`s facade is revealing itself.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080317/sc ahill

This is alarming news regarding Barack Obama in the new publication of The Nation.

"A senior foreign policy adviser to leading Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has told The Nation that if elected Obama will not "rule out" using private security companies like Blackwater Worldwide in Iraq. The adviser also said that Obama does not plan to sign on to legislation that seeks to ban the use of these forces in US war zones by January 2009, when a new President will be sworn in."

Further:
"from Jeremy Scahill: A day after this story went live on TheNation.com, Senator Hillary Clinton, whose staff refused for a week to answer my questions about her position on private security forces, released a statement announcing that Clinton is now co-sponsoring legislation to "ban the use of Blackwater and other private mercenary firms in Iraq," saying, "The time to show these contractors the door is long past due." Read her full statement here. Her timing was interesting, to say the least. Why February 28, in the middle of a tough political campaign? Why not after last September's Nisour Square massacre, when Blackwater operatives killed seventeen Iraqi civilians? Or, better, before it? Regardless, this makes Clinton the most significant US political figure to date to issue such a call. We will be monitoring closely how much of a legislative priority this becomes for Senator Clinton

by mcctx 2008-03-02 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

Obama has in the past been a co-sponsor of similar bills. What it is about the language or provisions of this one I don't know, but he ought to address it. It is odd.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 06:38PM | 0 recs
Question 14:

Explain your vote to confirm Condi Rice as Secretary of State.  A handful of courageous Senators, including fellow Illinois Senator Durbin, rejected her lies and refused to confirm.  

I voted for Barack Obama for Senator and this vote early in his Senatorial career was a deep disappointment.  It demonstrates that Senator Obama tends to the avoid the difficult legislative decisions and goes with the flow.  Even knowing that the confirmation was inevitable, why bother to vote FOR confirmation.  At the very least, abstain or do the "vote present" routine that has become the Barack Obama trademark.  

by pascal1947 2008-03-02 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Question 14:

You know..  Condi hasn't been that bad as a Secretary of State, all circumstances considering.  She's a Secretary for Bush, so you can't expect much.  She has, however, stood up to Cheney.   So give her SOME credit for marginalizing the worst VP in history

by Setrak 2008-03-02 04:45PM | 0 recs
How about the 4000 lives

of American soldiers sacrificed as a result of propagating what she KNEW to be a complete fabrication?  Reports to her National Security office from the top experts in nuclear engineering advised her in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that the aluminum tubes were not and could not be used to enrich uranium for weapons. Her lies were used to justify the incursion into Iraq.  She is complicit in locking us into five years of war, death and mayhem.  She is a traitor to this nation and should be held accountable like other members of the Bush White House.

by pascal1947 2008-03-02 07:47PM | 0 recs
How did Clinton vote on FISA?

Oh yeah, she was too busy campaigning.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-02 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

What?  You're hitting him on Farrakhan?  Because rejecting and denouncing just aren't good enough for you?

What a b.s. attack.

by jaywillie 2008-03-02 05:43PM | 0 recs
Re: TOP 10 QUESTIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA

he specifically denounced the anti-Semitism but did not address Farrahkan's race-baiting and open bigotry towards whites in general.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-02 06:08PM | 0 recs
One more question

Obama stated again on 60 Minutes tonight that he was never a Muslim. That's a lie. A year ago, he said he wasn't a practicing Muslim but now he says he was never a Muslim.

He was born a Muslim to a Muslim father. He was born Barry Obama. When his mother, Ann, remarried, she married another devout Muslim, Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo. Her son's name was changed to Barry Soetoro and he was enrolled in schools with that name and the records show:

Religion: Islam

The first school he attended in Jakarta was a Catholic school but later, he attended the government run Besuki Primary School where religious studies are mandatory.  Mention is made in Obama's autobiography that he attended a Muslim school and studied the Quran. Those who knew Barry in the early 1970s knew him as a devout Muslim.

When Barry was 10, his mom divorced Lolo and Barry was sent to live with Ann's parents in Honolulu. His mom and stepsister, Maya, stayed in Indonesia. Barry's maternal grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, were Baptists.

I still don't know when Barry changed his name to Barack but I think he did it to honor his birth father. There's nothing wrong with him once being a Muslim but why lie about it?

by Nobama 2008-03-02 07:06PM | 0 recs
Obama, the opportunist

Thanks for the Joe Wilson link, TexasDarlin.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson /obamas-hollow-judgment_b_89441.html

Wilson expresses perfectly what I've been thinking about Obama's lame speech from 2002 that he's basing his whole misbegotten campaign on.

Please spread it far and wide!

by Nobama 2008-03-02 07:25PM | 0 recs
Unanswered question

Obama stated again on 60 Minutes tonight that he was never a Muslim. That's a lie. A year ago, he said he wasn't a practicing Muslim but now he says he was never a Muslim.
He was born a Muslim to a Muslim father. He was born Barry Obama. When his mother, Ann, remarried, she married another devout Muslim, Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo. Her son's name was changed to Barry Soetoro and he was enrolled in schools with that name and the records show:

Religion: Islam

The first school he attended in Jakarta was a Catholic school but later, he attended the government run Besuki Primary School where religious studies are mandatory.  Mention is made in Obama's autobiography that he attended a Muslim school and studied the Quran. Those who knew Barry in the early 1970s knew him as a devout Muslim.

When Barry was 10, his mom divorced Lolo and Barry was sent to live with Ann's parents in Honolulu. His mom and stepsister, Maya, stayed in Indonesia. Barry's maternal grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, were Baptists.

I still don't know when Barry changed his name to Barack but I think he did it to honor his birth father. There's nothing wrong with him once being a Muslim but why lie about it?

by Nobama 2008-03-02 07:47PM | 0 recs

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