More Obama Untruths Uncovered

FINALLY, media coverage about Obama's lies trickles in.  Yesterday Slate reported that the first Rev. Wright sermon which Obama attended contained racist rhetoric, and the Washington Post reports today that Obama lied about his father's link to the Kennedy family.

Slate, in a blog called "White Man's Greed," challenges head-on Obama's assertion that he only recently became aware of Rev. Wright's racist views:

On his radio show yesterday, Hugh Hewitt played excerpts of Barack Obama reading from his autobiography, Dreams of My Father. In one, Obama remembers a sermon by Rev. Jeremiah Wright:

"...It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need... That's the world! On which hope sits."

'And so it went, a meditation on a fallen world. While the boys next to me doodled on their church bulletin, Reverend Wright spoke of Sharpesville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the White House and in the State House. ... [E.A.]'(emphasis added)

Mickey Kaus of Slate comments:

Keep in mind: a) Obama isn't disapproving of this sermon. In the book he weeps at the end of it; b) Demonstrating that at least some blaming of "white greed" for the world's sins--which Obama now criticizes-- isn't an exceptional topic for Rev. Wright in a few wacky sermons ("the five dumbest things") that Obama may or may not have missed. It's at the quotidian core of the Afrocentric philosophy that Obama says drew him to the church; c) Indeed, in his big March 18th race speech Obama reads the passage from his book that describes his emotional reaction to this very sermon (his "first service at Trinity")--how it made "the story of a people" seem "black and more than black." d) This is also the sermon that gave Obama the title of his next book, The Audacity of Hope. e) The "profound mistake" of this sermon is not that Wright "spoke as if our society was static"--Obama's analysis on Feb. 18th. The problem is that "white folks' greed" is not the main cause of a "world in need." (emphasis added)

Slate link here.

The Washington Post, in an article today called "Obama Overstates Kennedys' Role in Helping His Father," catches Obama in an outright fib:

Addressing civil rights activists in Selma, Ala., a year ago, Sen. Barack Obama traced his "very existence" to the generosity of the Kennedy family, which he said paid for his Kenyan father to travel to America on a student scholarship and thus meet his Kansan mother.

Contrary to Obama's claims in speeches in January at American University and in Selma last year, the Kennedy family did not provide the funding for a September 1959 airlift of 81 Kenyan students to the United States that included Obama's father. According to historical records and interviews with participants, the Kennedys were first approached for support for the program nearly a year later, in July 1960. The family responded with a $100,000 donation, most of which went to pay for a second airlift in September 1960.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton acknowledged yesterday that the senator from Illinois had erred in crediting the Kennedy family with a role in his father's arrival in the United States.

Wash Po link here.

Obama's factual "errors" are being exposed, and starting to stack up.  While Hillary Clinton is villified for her misstatement about Bosnia, Obama's pinnochios receive a group shrug from the MSM.  Even Obama found it appropriate to chime in with his disapproval of the Bosnia error when he stated that it was an illustration of Hillary's problems with truthfulness.  How hypocritical!  The lopsided coverage of these two candidates has become a serious embarrasment for the American media. Imagine what outside observers must think; afterall, we are supposed to have the fairest, most balanced, most objective media in the world, right?

Mydd diarists have reported other Obama lies here, here, here, and here

Also, see more "errors" debunked here:
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/

Tags: campaign tricks, Democratic nomination, Election 08, Hillary Clinton, lies, obama, truth (all tags)

Comments

124 Comments

Re: More Obama Untruths Uncovered

I heard that he said he flosses every day, but it's more like five times a week.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 09:41AM | 0 recs
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lol if the Bosnia story was not a big deal on these forums then no this is nothing.

I am sorry but a Bosnia can't be dismissed away on this site as a media conspiracy but then a diary disputing whether or not the Law School in Chicago can define who the call professors is a recommended diary.

I won't attack this diary, but I don't want any replies later asking me why I don't address these types of diaries anymore.

I see it as group therapy, and I have no problem with out you guys spend your days

by TruthMatters 2008-03-30 09:44AM | 0 recs
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you dont even get it -

obamas camp started all this with the trivial sinbad bosnia stuff,

theyre going after hillary like bradley did with gore in 2000

obama must stop this  now or else...

we will bury him in proof after proof of his own lies

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-30 10:19AM | 0 recs
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Trivial?

If A= Only John McCain and I are qualified to be commander and chief, and this other guy isn't;

and B= I ran through sniper fire in Bosnia, which is evidence of what makes me qualified to be commander and chief...

Then A=B.

Hillary has been campaigning on A=B.

But, if B turns out to be demonstrably false;

then A is false.

The law school exonorated Obama. Sweet getting a separate spokesperson NOT affiliated with the law school does not mean Obama was lying. To the contrary it was the Law School that hired him, that tried to hire him for a full-time, tenure track position. If the Law School called him "professor," then any parsing is extra special 100% USRDA, HDTV nitpicking.

It's hard being caught in a lie; very depressing. I don't understand why she did, I'm sure there is plenty out there to show her as a tough-as-nails future president, but the Tuzla story wasn't it.

Obama never said "vote for me because I was a law professor," it's part of his bio, but not the centerpiece of his campaign. Continuing, he certainly never said that he alone was qualified to be president over Hillary precisely because he was a law professor. In fact, I don't think he's ever said Hillary was incapable or unprepared or lesser than John McCain in some way.

But Hillary did. By using Tuzla to make a case, explicitly or implicitly, that it proved her able to be President, and that Obama was not similarly able because of it, it deserves high scruitiny.

Obama's didn't. But his got scrutiny too.

Obama's turned out to be true -- or at worse, subject to some academic controversy at the U of C, but nothing that reflects on Obama veracity because the Law School said he was.

Clinton's turned out to be false, and rather than explain it, she dodged it claiming insomnia. There is plenty of record there, and it seems that she is admitting its false by calling it a "misstatement." Why its still beiung defended here, when Hillary herself has abandoned the story is not surprising.

I was disappointed by Bill's lying in 98, although I defended him to the end. Defended through some pretty complex spin. Didn't even feel like I should have to defend him, because the quality of his presidency was unaffected by the existence of oral sex.

Had he campaigned on the issue of never having oral sex with an intern, that might have been different. But America saw the GOP's accusation -- even when proved right -- to be trash, not part of what we expected from his candidacy, and ignored it as they should have.

But Tuzla is different. She wrote a campaign commercial for McCain in using stories like Tuzla to not only paint herself as qualified -- but to paint Obama as not qualified. That makes it different, and much harder to defend.

Meanwhile, this law professor thing? Or stupid stupid Mikey Kaus (quoting him is like quoting Scaife or Drudge -- this is a guy who was peddling an 'Edwards knocked a woman up' story even after the Nat'l Enquirer moved on because there was no there there, and because it was wholly tasteless) -- I think it qualifies as the sort of gotcha that turned America off from the GOP in 98.

Remember, during the 98 election, voters showed their displeasure with stupid gotcha politics by voting in more Democrats -- something that was supposed to make the GOP stop their impeachment gambit.

Instead the House continued -- as a lame-duck congress, which further eroded their credibility.

And further eroded their popularity.

Americans see the difference. Its sad to see the Clintons on the other side of it.

by Lettuce 2008-03-31 04:29AM | 0 recs
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"So, you think it's funny that he tells lies?'

What lies?  You haven't identified any.  He said he wasn't at any of the Wright sermons seen on the videotape.  As far as I know, that's true.  The sermon you quote is consistent with his statement that he has heard Wright say other things that are "controversial."  You may not like Wright, and clearly want to make the campaign against Obama about him, (given your obvious lack of substantive criticism), but I see no lie here.

And the Kennedy contribution DID fund the program that brought his father to this country.  So he got the timing wrong. Fine.  If you think this harmless mistake is even remotely comparable to painting yourself as some kind of war hero dodging sniper fire, then no level of reasonable argument will pursuade you differently.

Is this why Hillary is staying in the race?  To make more riduculous, embarrasingly thin attacks on Obama?  I certainly understand why she's having an increasingly difficult time getting people to actually contribute money to this collossal waste of time.

by davey jones 2008-03-30 10:08AM | 0 recs
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amazing

HES the first pol who has never lied.

he really is the ONE!

thank ye jebus!

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-30 10:25AM | 0 recs
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Obama's campaign never had a meeting with the Canadians. "It did not happen," he said firmly.

by georgiast 2008-03-30 11:31AM | 0 recs
More Clinton Untruths Uncovered

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/03/ clintons_role_in_naftagate.html

Mr Brodie ... stopped to chat with several journalists, and was surrounded by a group from CTV.... The conversation turned to the pledges to renegotiate the North American free-trade agreement made by the two Democratic contenders, Mr Obama and New York Senator Hillary Clinton.

Mr Brodie, apparently seeking to play down the potential impact on Canada, told the reporters the threat was not serious, and that someone from Ms Clinton's campaign had even contacted Canadian diplomats to tell them not to worry because the Nafta threats were mostly political posturing.

by kraant 2008-03-30 09:27PM | 0 recs
hate speak?

""...It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere ... "

In what way is this hate speak? What's untrue?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: hate speak?

How can you be so thick?  "White folks' greed" is pure hate speak.

White folks don't have a corner on badness.  For examples of that, I give you Alcee Hastings, William Jefferson, Coral Watts and John Allen Muhammed.  Go farther afield and look at some of the dictators in Africa for examples of pure greed by black people.

You'd be screaming to the skies if someone here used the phrase "black folks' laziness".  But you can't find anything offensive about "white folks' greed."

There are good and bad people of all races.  Greed is not defined by skin color any more than laziness is.  There are NO character traits that are determined by the color of ones skin.

Obama is supposed to be the Great Uniter and yet for twenty years he sat listening to words like these with nary a peep.  How he continues to enjoy a reputation as someone who will bring us all together is beyond me.

by creeper1014 2008-03-30 05:41PM | 0 recs
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Um... "White Folks Greed" and general badness are two different things.

Take a look at who the richest in the world are. Who the richest countries in the world are. Who controls those countries.

In fact, look at America. We are a multicultural society, but our civilization has been run prodominantly by white people -- white men -- for centuries.

Who's getting rich in the Bush admin? Who gets rich from Iraq? Who gets rich from NAFTA? Who gest rich from the health care industry? Who is getting rich from Bear Sterns and the banks -- and who is getting hit.

Is it just white people? No. But it takes a very willing ignorance of history and present to call that statement "hate speak."

It's unfortunate, I wish being a "white man" wasn't still the main qualification for success in the US and general western capitalism...

...hell, Hillary supporters should know full well how hard it has also been for white women -- any women. Women of any color couldn't vote until the last 80 years.

To recap: Not all white men are responsible for the greed that is a right obscenity in the face of world -- and national -- poverty. But until the 1920s for women (and not really even yet), and really until the 1960s for blacks (and not really even yet) the need to be a white man was codified if you wanted to be part of the power base that made those decisions.

To think otherwise requires a good deal of cognitive -- and historical -- dissonance.

Or it requires you to be Mickey Kaus. Same diff.

by Lettuce 2008-03-31 04:39AM | 0 recs
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Good diary.  Recommended.

by bellarose 2008-03-30 09:47AM | 0 recs
And it just keeps coming...

There is also another interesting Obama pastor in the picture. Meet Father Michael Pfleger as he defends Rev. Wright.

Obama sure has some interesting connections. And the Rev. Michael Pfleger is not necessarily an improvement over the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

by DemAC 2008-03-30 09:48AM | 0 recs
Re: And it just keeps coming...

Um, if Hillary takes on Pfleger, she shouldn't visit Chicago anymore.  He is a well loved priest in the Chicago community who fights for the poor and disenfranchised.  I hope she does though, it would be a fitting end for her campaign.  

by Hope08 2008-03-30 10:02AM | 0 recs
Re: And it just keeps coming...

"I hope she does though, it would be a fitting end for her campaign. "

What do you mean by this comment, "she [Hillary Clinton] shouldn't visit Chicago anymore... it would be a fitting end... "?

Just how are you proposing her campaign would end? I insist you should be more specific. This sounds like a threat to me, and I am calling you on it.

Do you live in Chicago?

I think your comment deserves to be reported. It sounds very inappropriate to me. If it is something other than a threat of assassination of Hillary ClintonI expect you will clarify it.

by 07rescue 2008-03-31 01:06AM | 0 recs
Re: And it just keeps coming...

Seriously...do you just dream this shit up?

by zep93 2008-03-31 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re: And it just keeps coming...

I would find it very odd if Obama got a slew of random folks coming out to say they like him, particularly since he is already liked a good deal.

I mean, what would be the point?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 10:07AM | 0 recs
Re: And it just keeps coming...

I went to Columbia at the same exact time. no one i know ever heard of him.

and it was a small school.  750 a class.

he says he lived in the library...well...  it was Columbia...core curriculum and all ...we ALL  lived in the library.

what intrigues me is he refuses to release his college record. i think we all can guess why...

though we  do know this "poor boy" didnt have to work and his grandparents paid his way.

now THAT annoys me.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-30 10:37AM | 0 recs
Father Michael Pfleger was
an outspoken critic of the Iraq War and marched and spoke at several demonstrations. This was way before the war was unpopular. He is to be admried for that. His parish is a black parish and it looks like he's taken on the black preaching style. He is a good man - I can't say otherwise. But he is caught up in the black political scene and it is uncomfortable. Uncomfortable to me - but I am not in his parish. He's in the trenches every day - His is a poor parish. I admire the man - I believe he has had his problems with the Catholic Church's hierarchy but he is a good pastor to his people.
by Xanthe 2008-03-30 10:54AM | 0 recs
Re: And it just keeps coming...

No wonder Oprah fell for him.

by bellarose 2008-03-30 12:26PM | 0 recs
Untruths Uncovered

Not everyone remembers everything clearly, and Obama's no exception, plus he tells stories to make points, not for accuracy. Like Ronald Reagan. Which would be okay,  maybe even charming, it he weren't running such a hate fueled campaign against Hillary where everything she says is proof she's a liar, or worse.  She's mainly accurate, and when she misspeaks, one can see how she got there, and she apologizes and corrects the record. Wouldn't it be nice to get a little bit of that on him?  But, don't hold your breath, he won't change horses in the middle of the stream either.  If he's the nom the pugs will make hay with his folksy stories. He said that he was do poor before Tony helped him into his big house he had holes in his shoes.  Poor guy needing help?  

by anna shane 2008-03-30 09:51AM | 0 recs
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I know you are sincere in saying that Obama has run a more negative campaign than Clinton.

But in exit polls, more Democrats think Clinton has had more unfair attacks -- and that is true even among those who voted for Clinton.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 10:15AM | 0 recs
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Yeah, lucky Obama has had the MSM giving him a pass while villifying Hillary and buying into the racist crap that Obama's campaign played so well ~ truly despicable.

by Mags 2008-03-30 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: More Obama Untruths Uncovered

Let's not forget that we are talking about media favorite Barack Obama. This may not get even 1/20 as much coverage as the Hillary's Tuzla lie.

by kingsbridge77 2008-03-30 09:53AM | 0 recs
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The fact that both campaigns are trying to paint the others as serial liars or exaggerators, after what happened in 2000 to Gore, is very depressing.  And evidence of why this needs to end sooner rather than later, one way or the other.

by bawbie 2008-03-30 09:53AM | 0 recs
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obams camp started this by pushing the trivial sinbad bosnia stuff...

they must stop this  NOW

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-30 10:10AM | 0 recs
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If by "they" you mean both campaigns, I agree completely.

I'm pretty sure the campaigns could play a game of "you started this first..." going all the way back to November.  That would be rather pointless.

by bawbie 2008-03-30 10:16AM | 0 recs
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what trival sinbad stuff?

you mean when she said she was under sniper fire,
obama camp said no you weren't
Hillary said, yes I was
sinbad said no you weren't
Hillary said, yes I was, here is Togo to back me up
photo says no you weren't
hillary says yes I was, but I had to stop to greet the girl
video says no you weren't
Hillary says no I wasn't I mispoke

that sinbad stuff?

by TruthMatters 2008-03-30 10:55AM | 0 recs
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No, like...

Hillary being briefed of the threat of sniper fire and the C-17 doing evasive corkscrew landings while Obama was doing nothing.

Hillary being briefed that the welcoming ceremony is being cut short for security, while Obama was doing nothing.

Hillary taking Blackhawks protected by sharpshooters to 2 other forward bases, without Sinbad, while Obama was doing nothing.

Hillary taking a trip to Bosnia marking the first time since Eleanor Roosevelt that a first lady traveled to a potential combat zone, while Obama was doing nothing.

Once the gotcha period of her misstatements has expired, we will be left with a comparison of a woman with real remarkable experiences versus an Elmer Gantry empty suit who talks "purdy".

by Newport News Dem 2008-03-30 11:17AM | 0 recs
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There's a fundamental difference between "gotcha statements" and lying.

She LIED.

by fat lady singing 2008-03-30 12:07PM | 0 recs
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He lied that Wright is not his mentor.  He lied that he was not aware of Wright controversial statements.  He lied that he didn't take money from lobbyists.  

by JoeySky18 2008-03-30 12:54PM | 0 recs
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And NAFTA "did not happened".

by JoeySky18 2008-03-30 12:56PM | 0 recs
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No more than the many fabrications your kid has created, all gotchas. All candidates eventually misspeak. If she lied, Obama is a liar.

Still the bottom line you fail to realize is you Obamadroids are engaging in identical tactics like the Karl Rove purple heart band-aids for John Kerry, insulting the service of a great first lady...WHILE YOUR CANDIDATE WAS DOING ABSOLULY NOTHING OF SUBSATNCE!

With Obama's thin resume, you smear the former FLOTUS to draw attention away from the fact there is a huge gravitas gap between them.

by Newport News Dem 2008-03-30 01:00PM | 0 recs
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I should add that I've had a loaded gun pointed at me before.  It's no an experience one forgets.  And I'll also add that there's NO WAY IN HELL the military pilots or Secret Service guards would have ever allowed the plane to land, or allowed her and the President's daughter to cross a tarmac under fire.  The story was a complete fabrication; it makes no sense!

by fat lady singing 2008-03-30 12:10PM | 0 recs
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"I should add that I've had a loaded gun pointed at me before.  It's no an experience one forgets."

I've had plenty of guns pointed at my head, and agree it is unforgettable.

And I fled volunteering at Hillary Clinton's district office after 9/11, after while opening constituent mail brown powder flew all over us, only two weeks before the real anthrax letters were sent out to Democrats and news media offices. I saw all the death threats Hillary gets, and was warned how to leave the office in disguise, to avoid the stalkers outside...

Hillary continues on, where I feared to tread.

Hillary Clinton's personal bravery in continuing her public service, along with her staff's courage and commitment (you know, all those folks who are derogatorily called the "Clinton machine"), in the face of daily mortal danger, is extraordinary. She doesn't need to go to Bosnia to dodge sniper fire, all she needs to do is walk out to a public podium and she is at grave risk.

Ignore the facts at your own risk - that of defaming someone who is putting her life at risk to bring the powerful change this country needs, and to serve all of us who need her help the most.

by 07rescue 2008-03-31 12:49AM | 0 recs
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PLENTY of guns?  Brown powder while working for HC? Good graces, both of your lives are sooooooooooooooo, um.... well, I believe you.  Really I do.

by deansbeans 2008-03-31 06:30AM | 0 recs
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I'm not knocking her personal bravery.

I'm knocking the lying about it.

by fat lady singing 2008-03-31 07:49AM | 0 recs
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Hillary embellished a true story.

Obama made shit up, period.  

You know, I'm not a big fan of insults like "Obamabots," but witnessing you people attempt to spin this away makes one realize why those terms arise.

Spin Spin Spin!

by bellarose 2008-03-30 12:24PM | 0 recs
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Can you please provide a link to Obama's schedule for the days you say he was doing nothing?

Thank you.

by hillsboroughrules 2008-03-30 02:00PM | 0 recs
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Would love to see it. The comparisons between whatever he was doing while the FLOTUS was representing her country on the front lines would be most revealing. I concede by adding, nothing of substance.

Be careful what you ask for, it would not make your guy look good. It might make him qualified to become director of the Illinois Social Services Department.

by Newport News Dem 2008-03-31 05:30AM | 0 recs
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"the C-17 doing evasive corkscrew landings"

"the pilot who commanded the C-17 that flew her from Ramstein Air Base in Germany. Speaking in a radio interview on the "Rusty Humphries Show," retired Air Force Col. William "Goose" Changose said that he did not undertake any kind of "evasive" maneuver on the approach to Tuzla, and that the only reason the descent was a little steeper than normal was because there were hills around.

"Not only were there no bullets flying around, there wasn't a bumblebee flying around," Changose recalled."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/03/26/AR2008032602920. html?hpid=topnews

"Hillary being briefed that the welcoming ceremony is being cut short for security."

No, she never said it was cut short, what she said was, "There was no greeting ceremony, and we basically were told to run to our cars. Now, that is what happened."

"Hillary taking Blackhawks protected by sharpshooters to 2 other forward bases, without Sinbad, while Obama was doing nothing."

She never talks about that part of her trip, her claims were only in regard to the first stop.

"Hillary taking a trip to Bosnia marking the first time since Eleanor Roosevelt that a first lady traveled to a potential combat zone, while Obama was doing nothing."

Again the spin does not stand up to the facts, Pat Nixon visited Saigon in 1969. Does anyone anywhere think Saigon in 1969 was not a war zone?

Once the gotcha period of her misstatements has expired, we will be left with a comparison of a woman with real remarkable experiences versus an Elmer Gantry empty suit who talks "purdy".

Sorry, what we have is a pretty standard First Lady visit. Nothing more and nothing less.

by Statsman 2008-03-30 04:13PM | 0 recs
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If you wish to only concentrate on the already admitted "misspeaking" you are right and since the FLOTUS admitted the mistake, what is your point.

You are still engaging in rovian attacks on her service because your guy does not have the gravitas to compare to her. Good tactic, lousy American...just like John Kerry's purple heart band aids. How does it feel to act like a karl rove republican?

by Newport News Dem 2008-03-31 05:36AM | 0 recs
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Reminds me of Hillary's lie that she was named after Sir. Edmund Hillary.  Except he didn't climb Everest until after she was born.  

Unfortunately Obama didn't know much about his father growing up, that's why these attacks are so pathetic.  Luckily Hillary can ask her mom who she got her name from.

by Hope08 2008-03-30 09:56AM | 0 recs
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Read the links, Hope.

The stories about Barack's father were intentionally fabricated by Obama:

1)  The Kennedy airlift story was created to connect him directly to Camelot.

2)  The "my parents met at Selma" was created to give him credibility with people who are actually a part of that story.  

There's no misunderstanding involved.

by bellarose 2008-03-30 10:01AM | 0 recs
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What evidence do you have about whether something was just a family story or something "intentionally fabricated"?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 10:02AM | 0 recs
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So Hillary misunderstood where her name came from?

I don't pretend to know what was intentional or not.  I leave that to the diarist.  I know he didn't know his father but probably knew of the history of this program and made a connection.  Who knows what stories get told about an absent father growing up.  I don't, I was lucky to have one around.

Did he say his parents met in Selma, MS?  That would be a stretcher.

by Hope08 2008-03-30 10:07AM | 0 recs
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He said something like the fact that his white and black parents got together was because of the civil rights pioneers of Selma and the whole civil rights movement.  I think he called himself a child of Selma or something like that. It sounded like a general tip of the hat to the civil rights movement to me.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 10:11AM | 0 recs
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Oh.  So more weak tea.  Selma was more than a day.  

by Hope08 2008-03-30 10:20AM | 0 recs
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In his speech commemorating the 42nd anniversary of the march on Selma, Alabama, he credited the march with his existence -- even though he was almost 4 years old at the time:

   What happened in Selma, Alabama and Birmingham also stirred the conscience of the nation. It worried folks in the White House who said, "You know, we're battling Communism. How are we going to win hearts and minds all across the world? If right here in our own country, John, we're not observing the ideals set fort in our Constitution, we might be accused of being hypocrites." So the Kennedy's decided we're going to do an air lift. We're going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is.

   This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama.

The first march on Selma took place on March 7, 1965 (there were three of them). At the time, Barack Obama was three and a half years old. Now, Obama also mentions the Birmingham march as part of this speech -- but that took place in May 1963. Obama would have been 20 months old when Dr. King led that demonstration.

That's not the only bit of fabulism here. Obama's birthdate is August 4, 1961. It doesn't take a doctor or a math whiz to calculate his conception as sometime in 1960 -- before John Kennedy took office. In fact, it might have taken place on Election Day, when Kennedy won the presidency. That would tend to indicate that Mom and Dad met sometime before the African airlift that Obama credits for his birth.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-30 10:47AM | 0 recs
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SENATOR Kennedy sponsored the legislation for the airlift which brought Obama Sr. to the U.S.  I don't think people read enough to get metaphors.  The civil rights movement went on for decades, selma was a part of a whole movement.  

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/say what.asp

by Hope08 2008-03-30 11:05AM | 0 recs
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HA!  Spin harder!!

by bellarose 2008-03-30 12:28PM | 0 recs
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And you have shown your excellence in judgment by being unable to grasp the most basic facts about how people refer to those who teach at colleges and universities.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 09:59AM | 0 recs
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No 'Professor' Obama at U. of C.
TAUGHT CLASSES | Political flap over his precise law school title

March 30, 2008

BY LYNN SWEET Sun-Times Columnist

WASHINGTON -- The University of Chicago released a statement Thursday saying Sen. Barack Obama "served as a professor" in the law school -- but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed on Friday.

"He did not hold the title of professor of law," said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an assistant dean for communications and lecturer in law at the school.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-30 10:08AM | 0 recs
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As the article you quote says, he "served as professor."  He never said he had the academic rank of Professor.  You folks are too silly!!!

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 10:12AM | 0 recs
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Keep on picking those nits.

I'm SURE they'll get Hillary the nomination.

by fat lady singing 2008-03-30 12:06PM | 0 recs
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He was offered the job, but turned it down.

What, pray tell, is so evil about Kennedy's paying for second trip v first trip from Kenya?  

Hair, meet knife.

by deansbeans 2008-03-31 06:24AM | 0 recs
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BTW, Clinton supporters, why do you think Obama is +10 in today's Gallup tracking poll?

Was it the Casey endorsement?
HRC's Bosnia stories?
The fact that she has virtually no chance to get the nomination sinking in?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 10:01AM | 0 recs
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BTW, Clinton supporters, why do you think Obama is +10 in today's Gallup tracking poll?

Why did you conveniently forget the fact that the media is in love with Obama and hates Hillary Clinton? Several members of the elite media has admitted it, and Chris Matthews is quoted saying "I hate her".

by kingsbridge77 2008-03-30 10:06AM | 0 recs
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Oh, so it's the media!  People have no brains are just brainwashed by the media!

Clinton used to lead, but of course then it wasn't the media.

That reminds me of what George H.W. Bush said about why he was losing to Clinton in 1992...blaming the media is always the last refuge of a failing campaign.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 10:09AM | 0 recs
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The media is a big factor, but you are pretending I say it's the only factor.

And her lead shrank once the primaries approached and developed, that is, when the media coverage of the campaign thickened.

Even media perosnalities such as Howard Kurtz, Roger Simon and Rich Lowry admit it. The media has a heavy pro-Obama bias.

by kingsbridge77 2008-03-30 10:14AM | 0 recs
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So what in the non-media part mattered?  Endorsements? Statements by the candidates and/or surrogates?  Iraq falling apart?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 10:22AM | 0 recs
how idiotic

Oh, so it's the media!  People have no brains are just brainwashed by the media!

do you really not know about the role of the cables and the msm in the 2000 election?

are u that uninformed?

m good.

and btw,the gallop polls , hell all polls, have been wrong in every crucial moment in this election...but your type keeps on buying them...

go to www.dailyhowler.com...read about the press and dem-media history...stop being so amazingly ignorant.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-30 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: how idiotic

Didn't I just see you on another threat decrying nastiness in campaigns?  Yet you answer a perfectly civil statement with an insult.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 05:29PM | 0 recs
Re: how idiotic

Yet Clinton supporters are the first to parrot the freaking polls when they sway her way. You don't get to have it both ways! Either they have validity or they do not.

by zep93 2008-03-31 07:51AM | 0 recs
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Don't you want someone that "the media" likes?  Wouldn't it be nice to spend the next 4 years "getting a free pass" to get healthcare legislation, environmental protection and workers' rights enabled?

No.  You would rather try to shove Hillary down all of our throats because she's not nearly as bad a liar as Obama.  Talk about a suicide pact.

by zadura 2008-03-30 02:26PM | 0 recs
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TD, please show me an example of a journalist explicitly endorsing Obama.  It is starting to happen all over the place in op-eds, but journalists are not openly expressing their "like" or "dislike" of anything.  What they are doing is blowing with the winds, which are now soundly behind Obama.  This sells newspapers, magazines and news shows, which is their real business.  

What I do hope is that if there are specific instances where either Obama or Clinton are doing newsworthy things, either good or bad, that those things get reported.  That is where objectivity is needed.

by zadura 2008-03-30 10:05PM | 0 recs
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The funny/sad thing is that this runs directly counter to the "electability" argument. A candidate the media hates (Edwards) is dead in the water. A candidate the media loves (Obama or Bush II in '00) is more electable (although here we will have a face off between two candidates the media loves Obama vs. McCain).

Personally, I agree that the media loves Obama (although that isn't why the trivial errors being discussed in this diary don't get media play) and I think that that partly explains why Obama will be our next president, but I don't think you can simultaneously hold the position that the media hates Clinton and that she is more electable.

by alephnul 2008-03-30 02:58PM | 0 recs
I don't think it is a big deal

about Obama's father.  He was probably told this story by his grandmother and/or mother that his father came to the U.S. from a scholarship because of Kennedy.  However, it was a year later that Kennedy was giving money for the scholarship.

I don't think that is a big deal since it is a story from his family.  

It is MUCH DIFFERENT than Hillary's Bosnia sniper story which she herself supposedly experienced and she told this story over and over again despite it being fact checked several times by the media as well as Sinbad.

Now that Obama's heritage has been determined upon how his father came to this country, I would fault Obama if he kept repeating this story like Hillary did her Bosnia story.  If he doesn't then he is fine.

Still a very cool story any way upon how his father came to his country.  Luckily the program worked for it was Kennedy who expanded it the following year.

by puma 2008-03-30 10:03AM | 0 recs
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Are you calling Obama's parents liars?

by kingsbridge77 2008-03-30 10:14AM | 0 recs
That is probably how they

may have understood it.

by puma 2008-03-30 10:17AM | 0 recs
Re: That is probably how they

I've heard all sorts of family stories over the years. Probably some of them are not quite accurate.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 05:30PM | 0 recs
The big difference between

Obama's and Hillary's storie is that Obama's story is from family lore while Hillary's story is from her own EXPERIENCE.

I can see how his family got the date confused upon when Kennedy gave grants to Kenyan students.  They probably thought that it was from Kennedy when it was from American benefactors such as Sidney Poitier and Harry Belafonte.

Now Hillary's story was from her own PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.  Plus it was fact checked yet she kept repeating it any way.

by puma 2008-03-30 10:22AM | 0 recs
That's racist in conjunction with apartheid?

Really?

by bobdoleisevil 2008-03-30 10:06AM | 0 recs
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First, Obama blamed his grandmother. Will he blame his father now?

ABC News is now running this story in its blog, by the way:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/03/key-part-of-jfk.html

by kingsbridge77 2008-03-30 10:28AM | 0 recs
So what

It is really not that big of a deal actually.  Obama's family thought it was Kennedy who gave the grant but he did that a year later.

Hillary's mistake was about her own personal EXPERIENCE.

by puma 2008-03-30 10:37AM | 0 recs
I doubt he'll every blame
his father.
by Xanthe 2008-03-30 11:00AM | 0 recs
Mountains out of molehills?

Both those are minor errors. To call either of those an outright lie is hyperbole of the worst kind.

Meanwhile Hillary's Bosnia comment is either...

1. An outright lie. Or
2. An outright delusion.

by Mystylplx 2008-03-30 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Mountains out of molehills?

What are your thoughts on the Tuzla lie?

by amiches 2008-03-30 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Mountains out of molehills?

The first is a strained semantic argument which the diarist massively over simplifies. The second was a simple and understandable factual error.

Hillary's Tuzla lie was based on neither strained semantics nor a believable mistake. This isn't like misremembering something he heard in his childhood, this is a blatent untruth told about her own relatively recent experience as an adult. Hillary Clinton has never in her life ducked under sniper fire, anywhere on earth. I'd buy it as a mistake if, let's say, the event really happened but she misremembered the exact time and place, but it never happened!

by Mystylplx 2008-03-30 11:38AM | 0 recs
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Given that the Tuzla story is an absolute lie about her experiences and the quality of her patriotism, can you guys finally start to understand what would happen in the GE if she faced McCain directly?

I can see it in a debate right now.  "Well, Hillary, some of us did actually dodge hostile bullets and didn't need to make things up to try to prove our patriotism."  What kind of response would she have?  What kind of response do YOU have?

by zadura 2008-03-30 02:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Mountains out of molehills?

That's what I was saying, but I think you clicked reply to the wrong comment. ;)

by Mystylplx 2008-03-30 03:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Mountains out of molehills?

My apologies.  I am just trying to point out that the "vetted" argument is a sham.

by zadura 2008-03-30 10:06PM | 0 recs
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Any thoughts on why Obama is increasing his lead over Clinton?  I mean, wouldn't it be nice to have a discussion about politics on a political blog?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 10:44AM | 0 recs
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And why is Clinton so far in debt now?  What happened to her?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 10:45AM | 0 recs
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You do the same thing on a regular basis. Stop the self-righteous schtick.

by amiches 2008-03-30 10:59AM | 0 recs
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do any of you actually believe Hillary was not lying about the Bosnia sniper story? I live in Pennsylvania and alot of vets are highly upset
and view this as valor theft....any comment Texas darling ?
by wellinformed 2008-03-30 11:00AM | 0 recs
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Clinton didn't correct herself. Clinton was caught out in a lie and claimed it was an error.

You can only say that you corrected yourself if no one else corrects you first.

by alephnul 2008-03-30 03:03PM | 0 recs
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Oh, God.  Whose family doesn't tell tall tales to their children?  As someone noted, Clinton steadfastly maintained until 2006 that she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary, though at the time she was born he was an unknown beekeeper.  I doubt she ever tried to verify the truth and it seems likely to me that Obama probably had the same experience.

by rfahey22 2008-03-30 11:01AM | 0 recs
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Wright is old hat now. Obama is moving ahead in polls so no one but the right wing still wants to talk about it. And the Kennedy story has been debunked by Snopes (see another dairy for details). Nothing to see here, folks, move on. Again, HRC is "stretching" on her website if she's highlighting these.
by Becky G 2008-03-30 11:19AM | 0 recs
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Sorry, but you haven't looked at the EC lately have you?

by Ga6thDem 2008-03-30 11:25AM | 0 recs
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The EC map is somewhat worrisome, but state by state polls are not done frequently enough for Wright influenced polls to have fallen off the map yet.

Of course, the EC map is worrisome for both Clinton and Obama, and Obama's looks more likely to have been influenced by a one time hit. Clinton's EC map was worrisome before either Wright or Tuzla became important.

by alephnul 2008-03-30 03:06PM | 0 recs
The Emperor is losing his clothes n/t

by NewHampster 2008-03-30 11:31AM | 0 recs
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TexasDarlin', please send me an e-mail at susanunpc at gmail dot com . thank you!

by susanhu 2008-03-30 11:49AM | 0 recs
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texas darling how can you ignore that she was caught in a blantant lie? Do you honestly think  she got her memories confused? I am putting your credibility in question. If you continue to dodge the question I see no reason why anyone would take your post seriously. You would support Hillary better if you INTELLIGENTLY debate this Bosnia nonsense and convince me as a undecided voter in PA that Hillary is more honest then her opponent. You have made excellent intelligent points in past diaries but you lost me on the Bosnia issue  

Thanks

by wellinformed 2008-03-30 12:09PM | 0 recs
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They are just words.

by pinche tejano 2008-03-30 12:10PM | 0 recs
Let's See Obama Lie His Way Out of This One

Father Fleger is part of Obama's pastoral counseling triumvirate.  Let's go right to the video link.  We'll talk about the Obama-Flegler link in a bit.

Note whom Pfleger praises in the same breath as Wright:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjJlsGrlb Us

Who is Pfleger?  He's a great friend of both Obama and Rev. Wright, and reintroduced him to the public in Chicago after Wright's recent vacation out of the public eye.

"When he came out, people literally went wild," said St. Sabina's pastor, the Rev. Michael Pfleger. ...

Wright attended at the invitation of Pfleger, who called recent criticism of Wright "shameful."

 
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/ob ama/868487,CST-NWS-wright30.article

How close are Pfleger and Obama?  Very; in fact, Flegler's endorsement is still on Obama's website.  
http://faith.barackobama.com/page/conten t/faithtestimonials

The Sun-Times wrote of Pfleger:  http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/726 619,obamafalsani040504.article

Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, he says.

Obama even handed out some federal pork money to Pfleger.  According to the Chicago Tribune, "[t]he Rev. Michael Pfleger contributed to Obama's campaign and in turn Obama redirected a $225,000 grant to St. Sabina."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainm ent/chi-0705030035may03,0,7803217.story

The greatest controversy about Pfleger is his long relationship with Louis Farrakhan.  
http://www.israelforum.com/blog_article. php?aid=1334752
Louis Farrakhan has been a frequent guest to Pfleger's church.   http://cbs2chicago.com/local/louis.farra khan.nation.2.337213.html

For background, Wikipedia states that Farrakhan's anti-white and Jewish comments have raised the ire of many over the years.  For example, Farrakhan was censured unanimously by the United States Senate for a speech in which he said Hitler was a great man.  Farrakhan has referred to Jews, Palestinian Arabs, Koreans, and Vietnamese collectively as "bloodsuckers" and maintains that "Murder and lying comes easy for white people."  He also said: "The same year they set up the IRS, they set up the FBI. And the same year they set up the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith... It could be a coincidence... [I want] to see black intellectuals free... I want to see them not controlled by members of the Jewish community."

Pfleger has backed up Farrakhan in a controversy before.  In a well known controversy in Chicago in March 2006, Pfleger criticized a mass resignation of Jewish members on a state of Illinois hate crimes commission:  http://www.nbc5.com/news/7782149/detail. html?rss=chi&psp=news

"Callers to Tuesday's radio show included the Rev. Michael Pfleger, the white pastor of a mostly black Chicago church and a friend of Muhammad's.
Pfleger said "good riddance" to the people who had left the commission. "Leave, go ahead and go on out, we don't need that kind of a spirit or mentality and a narrowness on that kind of commission. I'm glad they're gone," Pfleger said.

The controversy involved a member of the commission, Sister Claudette Marie Muhammad, who is the Nation of Islam's minister of protocol.

[She] "was under the radar until she invited other commissioners to attend a Farrakhan speech last month.  Criticism of Muhammad mounted after the speech, which included references to "Hollywood Jews" promoting homosexuality and "other filth."
The three Jewish commission members who resigned said Muhammad should not be on the commission unless she repudiates Farrakhan's criticism of Jews, gays and other groups. On Tuesday, the Jewish Community Relations Council, which represents 46 Chicago-area groups, passed a resolution supporting the three commission members.
"We're not willing to give credibility to this commission in the face of this appointment," said Alan Solow, the chairman of the council."

Here's a fuller quote from Farrakhan, which sparked the brouhaha, from the Israeli newspaper Haaretz:  http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pag es/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=698094

Farrakhan said, "These false Jews promote the filth of Hollywood. It's the wicked Jews, the false Jews that are promoting lesbianism, homosexuality," and "Zionists have manipulated Bush and the American government" over the war in Iraq.

So we have Obama thinking enough of Father Pfleger to include him  on his website in 2008, but in 2006 Pfleger was not only backing Farrakhan, he was backing some very incendiary speech about "Hollywood Jews" in an event well covered in the Chicago media.

Finally, if you have not yet seen the video of Obama's spiritual adviser Rev. Meeks, here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Kz-_IaF yU

Hat tip to Rezko Watch for some of this information.  http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/o ne-degree-of-separation-obamas-hateful.h tml

by katmandu1 2008-03-30 12:24PM | 0 recs
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Another silly post.
Obama's empathy was not rascist.

Being concerned about Obese people on Cruise ships gorging them selves ( while people on shore starve) because Cruise ships allow unlimited food - is cause for concern.You guys need a splash of humanity/common decency.

clearly not equipped to discuss rascim.

by dbeall 2008-03-30 12:27PM | 0 recs
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One further point "God dam America" is just a absurd as "God Bless America". If you really believe any God is actually blessing or damming specific Countries - then understand this - YOU ARE RETARDED.

by dbeall 2008-03-30 12:31PM | 0 recs
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How much you are willing to bend it over and backward to support Obama is beyond my comprehension?

I think some serious thinking is required.  Please give me just one answer.  What is Obama's action that you admire the most?  Give me an action, a thing that he did that you admire the most.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-30 01:02PM | 0 recs
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And a thing that he did, that you didn't like the most.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-30 01:03PM | 0 recs
you're so right

I mean with all of these claims stacking up, he's starting to look just as bad as Hillary.

Shit, man... what are we gonna do?

by RidleyGriff 2008-03-30 12:31PM | 0 recs
Obama's misstatements vs Hill's lies

Hillary lies about the very things she claims make her qualified to be president- her foreign policy experiences.  Obama misstates who paid for Kenyan students to come to America decades ago??? Do you trolls actually think, that what you are isn't obvious?  

Republicans long ago realized Obama was going to be the candidate, and their trolls long ago infested this site.  Republican trolls are on this site for the same reason Republicans illegally voted in the Ohio Democratic primary.  Any anti-Obama statements on this site are very likely coming straight from Karl Rove.

by Carcas 2008-03-30 03:04PM | 0 recs
Bravo....

This isn't the only thread s/he's been abusing. From his/her past comments, it's clear they're quite the vitriolic Obama supporter. Maybe s/he's just having a bad reality day.  

by Soitgoes 2008-03-30 01:22PM | 0 recs
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"...It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need... That's the world! On which hope sits."


I don't mean to nit-pick and I absolutely do not mean this as racist, but I've been on several cruises over the past several years. On each cruise, there have been almost as many, if not more, black cruisers as white. Why doesn't Wright put the blame as much on the black folks' greed as the white?

by zenful6219 2008-03-30 01:26PM | 0 recs
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Because the people on cruise ships don't actually run the world. The people who run the world are overwhelmingly white. So Wright's rhetoric doesn't shock me. Actually, in other sermons, Wright specifically addresses what he sees as the problem of wealthy black people who pursue a Bougie [F U Jack, I've got mine] approach to racial and class solidarity.

However, I'm far to the left of Obama. Obama has made it clear that he doesn't agree with Wright about this, doesn't support this sort of rhetoric, and has known all along that Wright believes these sorts of things and uses this sort of rhetoric. In fact, he has written about arguing with Wright over these sorts of issues, and accepting that this was something that they would have to agree to disagree on. Wright's analysis of race is not what Obama sought out from Wright or from Trinity UCC.

Clinton is part of a secretive religious congregation that is mostly made up of and led by members of the far right. I assume that what she gets from this congregation is religious in nature, and not political. I assume the same about Obama's religious affiliation.

by alephnul 2008-03-30 03:16PM | 0 recs
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I'm not sure how this comment warranted a troll rating. -> http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/3/29/2 24245/389/23#23

by thatpurplestuff 2008-03-30 02:34PM | 0 recs
by Mariel 2008-03-30 02:38PM | 0 recs
Republican Trolls live on MyDD
The Repugnicans long ago realized Obama was going to be the candidate and they have long since infested this site.  This diary, for example, is a classic of Rovian technique.  Hillary lies about the very things she claims make her qualified, while Obama misstates who paid to bring Kenyan children to America decades ago??? Does any person reading this actually consider these comparable?  Then there is Wright.  Hillary's own Pastor Snyder came out in his support.  The assertion Wright is a racist is a canard of truly Rovian dimensions.  It too will fade.  See http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/25 /pastor-of-clintons-forme_n_93418.html
Its time for the actual Hillary supporters on this site to recognize that there are Rovians among you, who are taking advantage of you.
Uni and TD are Rovian tools.
by Carcas 2008-03-30 03:15PM | 0 recs
Barack Obama


   was also in the KKK. Did you know that? He's hiding Whitey Bulger in his basement! He kidnapped the Lindbergh baby and he's the one who shot JFK (which explains why Bill Clinton is so angry these days).

  Oh my, the whinings of the Clinton crowd. Y'all can't have what's not earned. Hillary hasn't earned the nomination. Quit whining that Obama beat her.

by southernman 2008-03-30 03:15PM | 0 recs
Obama


   has done everything he can to bring Americans of all ethnicities together, while the Clinton campaign has openly mocked the African American community for its support of Obama.

  I'll take the candidate who wants to help everyone, not just those who march in lockstep with the would be President. We've had enough of that shit under Bush.

by southernman 2008-03-30 08:43PM | 0 recs
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Clinton has to stay in this race, she has to continue getting campaign donations from her supporters in order to pay off all of the self-made Clinton campaign debts.

"Cash-strapped Clinton fails to pay bills"
By: Kenneth P. Vogel- Politico
March 30, 2008 11:38 AM EST

Hillary Rodham Clinton's cash-strapped presidential campaign has been putting off paying hundreds of bills for months -- freeing up cash for critical media buys but also earning the campaign a reputation as something of a deadbeat in some small-business circles.

A pair of Ohio companies owed more than $25,000 by Clinton for staging events for her campaign are warning others in the tight-knit event production community -- and anyone else who will listen -- to get their cash upfront when doing business with her. Her campaign, say representatives of the two companies, has stopped returning phone calls and e-mails seeking payment of outstanding invoices. One even got no response from a certified letter.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/030 8/9259.html

"Is Hillary broke"?
March 29, 2008
BY MICHAEL SNEED Sun-Times Columnist

Scoop du jour? Sneed hears major money problems in the Clinton camp may soon become a coroner knocking on her campaign door.

To wit: Word is the cash feeding into Hillary Clinton's campaign coffers has not only slowed down in a big way, undisclosed campaign debts that have yet to be made public could signal the end and have insiders biting their nails.

"Hillary needs to raise money to stay alive," a top Dem source said.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/86549 4,CST-NWS-SNEED28.article

by Jeff Y 2008-03-30 03:21PM | 0 recs
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More Wright stuff, huh?

At some point you're being counterproductive to the progressive movement.  It's obvious you're a Hillary support, which is great.  Why can't you talk about the issues and what makes Hillary a better candidate?

This continued trashing of our candidates is doing nothing to get a Democrat in the White House.

by chewie5656 2008-03-30 03:36PM | 0 recs
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His speech on the Wright issue was deceptive?  He was deceptive when he said Hillary could run as long as she wants?  

Wouldn't you agree these types of attacks (on either side) are bringing down the party?

Does this mean you'd rather vote for McCain?

by chewie5656 2008-03-30 05:18PM | 0 recs
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Gee, really? I never would have guessed.

by zep93 2008-03-31 07:59AM | 0 recs
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"ou're being counterproductive to the progressive movement."

BO is the most destructive thing to happen to the progressive movement I have ever seen. This stealth "pro free market competition" Republican Lite candidate has co-opted progressive support away from the most progressive candidate in this race.

If I wanted Republican economic and domestic policies I would vote for Republicans.

I will never vote for any Republican economic policies, ergo, I will never vote for Obama.

by 07rescue 2008-03-31 01:27AM | 0 recs
Hillary and snipers

I thought this piece on Hillary's statements on her Bosnia experiences was very powerful:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics /2008/03/30/2008-03-30_hillary_clintons_ lie_hits_real_sniper_vi.html
Hillary Clinton's lie hits real sniper vics

Sunday, March 30th 2008, 1:42 PM
Mills/AP

Hillary Clinton kisses Emina Bicakcic, aged eight, from Sarajevo who dedicated a poem to the First Lady shortly after her arrival at the Tuzla Air Base during 1996 visit.

Every time I see the video of Hillary Clinton talking about landing in Bosnia under sniper fire, I also see the shamrock scarf she wore to the podium in honor of St. Patrick's Day.

And then I think once again of the courageous 30-year-old Marine Capt. John McKenna of Brooklyn, born on St. Patrick's Day in 1976 and killed two years ago by a sniper in Iraq.

The same sniper had just shot another New York Marine, 28-year-old Lance Cpl. Michael Glover of Queens. Glover had been the point man in a patrol down a street in Fallujah. He had just reached an intersection when he was hit.

The citation for the Silver Star subsequently awarded to the 30-year-old McKenna reports: "Ignoring the imminent peril from the heavy incoming fire, Captain McKenna ran into the intersection in an effort to save his downed Marine. Completely exposed to the enemy fire, he calmly knelt next to the stricken Marine to assess his condition. As he began to drag the Marine to a covered position, Captain McKenna was hit by enemy fire and mortally wounded."

The citation goes on, "Captain McKenna gallantly gave his life in an attempt to save one of his Marines. His actions inspired his men to drive the enemy from the battlefield, and served as a true example of the selfless bravery to which all Marine leaders aspire."

Glover was an equally fine and dedicated Marine. He joined up after 9/11, telling his family, "I feel I have to do something." His uncle, retired Fire Chief Peter Hayden, commanded the rescue effort in the north tower on 9/11. Hayden presented his nephew with a small cross made from the steel of the World Trade Center. Glover was wearing it around his neck when he was killed.

An excerpt from one of his letters from Iraq was read at his funeral at St. Francis de Sales Church in Belle Harbor, Queens. He had written, "I took an oath - and it's the best oath I ever took. I'm at peace if I come back with parts of me missing. And I'm at peace if I don't come back at all."

The funeral for McKenna was held at Immaculate Heart of Mary Church in Kensington, Brooklyn. He had previously served in Afghanistan and had been doing a second tour in Iraq.

"He was proud of what he did and we were very proud of him," said his uncle, retired NYPD Lt. Robert McKenna.

I kept a holy card from McKenna's wake. The photo showed a red-haired, clear-eyed young man in the state trooper's uniform he wore before he returned to active duty with the Marines. The birth date jumped up at me: March 17, 1976.

And I thought right away of this Irish Marine born on St. Patrick's Day when I saw the news clips of Hillary Clinton at a podium bearing a sign reading, "Ready To Bring The Troops Home" and wearing a shamrock scarf as she spoke about being under sniper fire in Bosnia.

When I looked at the whole speech she delivered at George Washington University, I saw that she went directly from the Bosnia fantasy to the current situation in Iraq. She actually said, "The American people don't have to guess whether I'm ready to lead or whether I understand the realities on the ground."

In Bosnia, the reality was Clinton was greeted in total safety by an 8-year-old Muslim girl who read her a poem. The reality is the self-styled champion of children erased that moment in favor of a self-glorifying tale of being under fire.

In Iraq, the sniper fire is all too real, as the families of McKenna and Glover can attest. I note that the citation for McKenna's Silver Star begins in the way of all such citations, "The President of the United States takes pride in presenting ..."

Which means that when you vote for President you will, among other things, be voting for the next person in whose name we honor our bravest and best.

Our recent commanders in chief too seldom demonstrated the courage of a John McKenna or the selfless devotion of a Michael Glover. The last two Presidents assumed office having gone to great lengths to avoid being sent into combat.

But even George W. Bush and Bill Clinton never lied about being under fire.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-30 03:48PM | 0 recs
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And Hillary wasn't named after Sir Edmund Hillary -- like she claimed. Hillary climbed Everest 2 years after she was born.

by Hesiod Theogeny 2008-03-30 05:28PM | 0 recs
It is very unlikely that these stories, damaging

stories, will hurt Senator Obama during the democratic primaries.

However, we should not be under any illusion that these stories plus the Rezko one are not going to be used by the RNC, 527 groups, and McCain in the GE.

what is worrying is when you put these stories one after the other and back to back, they give the impression that Senator Obama is exaggerating; he is just another politician in a long list of politicians that we have all seen before. It takes away and shatters Senator Obama main quality that he is a different breed/kind of politician; someone above politics and a post-partisan politician.

This is exactly what the republicans are going to do. They are going to hammer the patriotism theme, the Rezko one (appearances of corruption), and these statements over and over along with the experience theme. They will do that just as the whole country tunes in to discover this new politician. This is their play-book and i don't think they are going to change it. Moreover, they don't need to go nationally with these stuff, all they need is to bombard one or two states (i am guessing Missouri and Ohio) to drive his negatives up.

Actually, the earlier these stories come out, the better it is for Senator Obama.

Anyway, this is not good, that's all i can say

by likelihood zero 2008-03-30 08:07PM | 0 recs
Compared to Hillary, he's Honest Abe Lincoln

Talk to me when he claims he ran from sniper fire.  

by bosdcla14 2008-03-30 09:51PM | 0 recs
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I do find the Obama supporters that I encounter on these blogs -- increasingly immature and pathetic.

When faced with their candidate's inadequancies their response is:

- Gee.. Hillary lied too. Bosnia, Bosnia, Bosnia. They don't realize that it doesn't make either candidate's behavior right! And such an argument implicitly admits that Obama is just another politician who lies like any other.

- Rovian tactics. These are all Republican spread rumours. Other democrats may fall for such a tactical response, but Independents do not.

by BostonIndependent 2008-03-31 03:50AM | 0 recs
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Oh, and I forgot

- Shut the f*#k up -- you are hurting our candidate, the progressive movement and this party. Hilarious. Prime example of choice bias -- once you've bought something (don't you wish you would have spent some time vetting Obama), you harden in your support. Why would an independent vote for a party that has this sort of reaction to the truth or internal dissent?

by BostonIndependent 2008-03-31 03:58AM | 0 recs
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Personally, I see immaturity on both sides. Passions have been aroused and that's what happens.  Perhaps we can try to redirect those emotions toward winning the WH in November.  As Bill Clinton said, Chill out.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-31 05:45AM | 0 recs
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Why do we never ever hear about this?

by nikkid 2008-03-31 06:01AM | 0 recs
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Must read at Politico:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/030 8/9269.html

Obama caught in another brazen lie.

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-31 07:34AM | 0 recs

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