Brazile for Hillary?

Senator Hillary Clinton had a point when she declared that the "tide is turning" after her impressive victory in Pennsylvania last week.

Since then, senior Party leaders have been speaking up, and changing their tune.  

Not too long ago, Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean was urging unpledged "super delegates" to decide "now!" and warning them not to overturn the "will of the people." But in the past week Dean's message has changed significantly.  A few  days ago he told the Financial Times that "The Democratic party's "superdelegates" have every right to...choose the candidate they believe would be best equipped to defeat John McCain in a general election." And today ABC News reported that Dean wants the super delegates to make a decision by the end of June, after all the voters have "had their say."

Donna Brazile, a super delegate who has previously expressed a preference for Obama may be having second thoughts. Yesterday on ABC's This Week Roundtable Brazille said:

I talked to the same super delegates you talked to...They want to win.  They want a candidate who can beat John McCain.  At the end of the day they're going to look at the (electoral college) math...and say.."okay, who is the best candidate to take on John McCain?" They'll look at the weaknesses of both candidates and... we will determine who will be the best President. (emphasis added)

Ms. Brazile's remarks are timely.   Perhaps she received a heads-up about the new AP General Election poll released today:

Clinton 50:  McCain 41
Obama 46:  McCain 44

Of special note to super delegates is the AP's accompanying analysis explaining the upward trends for Clinton:

Helped by independents, young people and seniors, Clinton gained ground.

"I don't think there's any question that over the last three weeks her stature has improved," said Harrison Hickman, a Democratic pollster unaligned in the primary. He attributed Clinton's gains to people moving from the "infatuation stage" of choosing the candidate they like the most to a "decision-making stage" where they determine who would make the best president.

Added Steve Lombardo, a GOP pollster: "This just reinforces the sentiment that a lot of Republican strategists are having right now -- that Clinton might actually be the more formidable fall candidate for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that Obama can't seem to get his footing back." (emphasis added)

Is Donna Brazile acknowledging that Clinton is the more formidable candidate against John McCain?

Other polls demonstrate similar strength for Clinton.  According to Real Clear Politics averages, for example: Clinton and McCain are tied in Florida, while Obama trails McCain by 12 points; Clinton leads McCain in Pennsylvania and Ohio by more than 5 points, while Obama trails McCain in both states.

At this moment, the MyDD 2008 Poll Watcher at the top corners of your screen also predicts an electoral victory for Clinton but a loss for Obama:  Clinton 286 to McCain 252 and McCain 278 to Obama 243.

Clinton's wins in California, Pennsylvania, Texas, Ohio, New Jersey, Florida, and New York, despite Obama's historic advertising expenditures, reinforce her campaign's claim to a winning coalition of core Democrats.  I have previously written about that here and here.

As the AP noted in its analysis, Clinton has even gained strength among young people.

And Politico commented yesterday:

Barack Obama's difficulty attracting older voters now far exceeds Hillary Rodham Clinton's own weaknesses with youth.

Repeatedly during the tight race for the Democratic presidential nomination, Obama, who's been defined in part by his popularity among young voters, has seen that strength undercut by his failings with seniors.

In the Pennsylvania and Ohio primaries, Obama lost older whites by 30 percentage points, while Clinton split white voters under age 30 in both critical contests. Obama's senior problem is even greater among Hispanics. The Illinois senator lost older Latinos by 40 to 60 percentage points in Texas, New Mexico and California.

For all the excitement generated by Obama's campaign, and despite his laudable success in caucus states, Obama has failed to draw critical blocs of Democrats into his coalition, a problem which has been exacerbated by off-the-record remarks belittling small-town Americans and ongoing coverage of his fiery pastor.  These are not just "gaffes" that Sen. Obama can cleverly manage; rather they contribute to core perceptions.  It's not difficult to comprehend why 32% of Clinton supporters in Pennsylvania recently told a pollster that they would never vote for Barack Obama.

Donna Brazile and the other super delegates clearly are paying attention.

Cross posted at No Quarter and texasdarlin.wordpress.com

Tags: clinton, Democratic nomination, Donna Brazile, Election 08, obama, Super Delegates, superdelegates (all tags)

Comments

161 Comments

Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

The tide is indeed turning, as seen again today with the endorsement of NC Gov. Easley for Hillary Clinton!

by TexasDarlin 2008-04-28 03:33PM | 0 recs
Thank god she stayed in this race

Now she can take the nomination and save us from the GE slaughter that would have happened with Obama.  

by aurelius 2008-04-28 03:45PM | 0 recs
Senator Jeff Bingaman of New Mexicon endorses Obam

http://thepage.time.com/2008/04/28/sen-b ingaman-to-endorse-obama/

What is it about that tide again?

by kindthoughts 2008-04-28 03:58PM | 0 recs
Are you stalking me?????

Ahh...just kidding.  We do seem to keep running into each other this evening.

by aurelius 2008-04-28 04:16PM | 0 recs
its not a giant site

by kindthoughts 2008-04-28 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Senator Jeff Bingaman of New Mexicon endorses

Why was this TRd?

by VAAlex 2008-04-28 04:35PM | 0 recs
its campskunk

TR everything in sight that does not help HRC

by kindthoughts 2008-04-28 04:41PM | 0 recs
I'm uprating for the sake of fairness

by aurelius 2008-04-28 04:52PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm uprating for the sake of fairness

could be tr'd for wrong diary?  Don't you think it would be nice to put content where it belongs?  Like in a diary about his endorsements?  the guy has enough problems without his supporters acting like he needs them to spam diaries for him. Give the man a break he has a turncoat pastor, leave him out of Hillary diaries at least?  

by anna shane 2008-04-28 05:03PM | 0 recs
I agree with you in priciple

but (and I generally don't like most all of what kindthoughts has to say) that s/he was merely making a counterpoint to the assertion that the tide is turing in HRC's favor (which I think it is BTW).  

by aurelius 2008-04-28 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm uprating for the sake of fairness

The guy who keeps TR'ing these comments is neglecting his doody.

by doschi 2008-04-29 01:14AM | 0 recs
That is NOT true.

by macmcd 2008-04-28 06:51PM | 0 recs
Can I get one, too, Campskunk?

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/tal k/2008/04/breaking-news-hillary-clinton. php

In the landmark civil fraud case against Bill Clinton in Los Angeles, where the former President is charged with defrauding a Hollywood dot com millionaire to help Hillary Clinton obtain more than $1.2 million from him for her 2000 Senate campaign, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Aurelio Munoz ruled on Friday, April 25 that Hillary Clinton would not be required to testify in a sworn deposition as a material witness in the case until AFTER the November election!

While Bill Clinton, Chelsea Clinton, Al Gore, Ed Rendell, Barabara Streisand, Cher, Stan Lee, Brad Pitt, Mike Wallace, Larry King et al may be called to testify and be deposed starting in May, Hillary alone has been protected from explaining her role in her husband's fraud charges.

by bookish 2008-04-29 03:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Can I get one, too, Campskunk?

Is this the case that was dropped against Hillary for lack of standing (meaning no evidence to back up the charges) by the judge in 2006?

by skohayes 2008-04-29 05:20AM | 0 recs
Well, except for

the $35,000 judgment against the Clinton campaign for underreporting associated costs.

My point is that this is exactly the sort of thing that she's going to be faced with in the GE, so don't think just because there's a repetition of the mantra "she's been vetted" that this shit is just magically going to disappear.

by bookish 2008-04-29 09:45AM | 0 recs
Jeff has been a well-known nit-wit

for a very long time.

by macmcd 2008-04-28 06:47PM | 0 recs
yeah, yeah

if they are not for HRC they are Judas.

We know. Move along now.

by kindthoughts 2008-04-29 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Senator Jeff Bingaman of New Mexicon endorses

Maybe he should have done it before the New Mexico primary.  

Just a thought.

by Montague 2008-04-28 07:48PM | 0 recs
agreed.

and a sigh of relief...let's just see where the chips fall...

by 4justice 2008-04-28 08:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank god she stayed in this race

It's also possible that Donna Brazile has a similar opinion of Mr. Super (http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/04/ mr-supers-take-on-where-undeclared.html)

He puts most congress people in the Pelosi club, which is in Obama's camp. Those SDs, when added to Obama add-ons (from states that Obama won) give Obama a virtually guaranteed victory.

So if Donna Brazile knows all this, as does Howard Dean, there is no reason to make any inflammatory statements about going against the will of the voters and ending this now.

What no one has noted is that since PA, Clinton has heavily toned down the kitchen sink strategy. And that was what the party elders were concerned with. So if there is no mud flying, then there is no reason to say that the contest is damaging the party.

What's best for Brazile and company is exactly what they are doing, being diplomatic and spouting platitudes about what's best for the party while letting this election run its course.

As we go through the next several states, we should see more supers deciding (Add-ons, and from upcoming contests) and the picture will get clearer.

Clinton has made her case that she is more electable. Yet as each week goes by, more supers  endorse Obama than Clinton. Her lead has slipped from 113 in December to 21 today (see demconwatch.)

If this continues over the 4 weeks, he will likely tie her in supers. That fact alone could be more persuasive to remaining supers than all the B.S. on the media about polls, electability, Rev. Wright and all the other nonsense the media spouts every day.

by PatrickBradish 2008-04-29 05:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Thank god she stayed in this race

Nice analysis. We shall see.

by RickWn 2008-04-29 11:56AM | 0 recs
Tides always return to where they start.

She needs 69% of all remaining contests to win in the delegate count.  Can she do it?

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-04-28 05:17PM | 0 recs
April is the cruellest month...

APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding     
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing     
Memory and desire, stirring     
Dull roots with spring rain..."

T.S. Eliot

I don't want to disappoint you guys but I think you're hanging on to HOPE.

Hope is a beautiful thing, but as the Polish say: "Hope is the mother of fools."

Fortunately there's a rider to that though:
"But a mother loves her children"

by brit 2008-04-28 05:59PM | 0 recs
I guess I hit a nerve.

Hilarious.

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-04-28 11:42PM | 0 recs
Re: I guess I hit a nerve.

If it pleases you to think that, don't let me stop you.

But the nerves of the last few days have long gone. And Hope is in the air.

Have a great day

by brit 2008-04-30 07:37AM | 0 recs
Yes, 69% is her favorite number.

But even if she doesn't, it doesn't matter. You don't need to end up with the most pledged delegates to win, you just need the most delegates overall and it certainly looks like she'll get that.

by mmorang 2008-04-28 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, 69% is her favorite number.

Nobody wins unless they have 2024 delegates!  That's why this race is wide open at this point in time.  It's not just who has the most delegates.

by orionwest 2008-04-28 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, 69% is her favorite number.

Yeah it is.  They're the ones that vote at the convention.

69% includes superdelegates.

by Mostly 2008-04-28 09:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, 69% is her favorite number.

Well when is she going to start picking up more superdelegates than him? There hasn't been a single day in two months where she has picked up more supers than him. It's all well and good to fantasize that she can win without winning the approval of voters, but she realistically hasn't shown she can even do that. And remember, she has to get roughly 100 MORE supers than him among the remaining undecided because even the rosiest Clinton projections over the remaining contests don't have her netting more than a few dozen delegates.

by brimur 2008-04-28 06:22PM | 0 recs
And if that fails... The Supreme Court.

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-04-28 11:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Certainly?!

Certainly?!  Really?  Dude, pass the dutchie on the lefthand side.

by deminva 2008-04-29 07:40AM | 0 recs
Obama can't do it without the

super delegates.  Since he can't win a single big state legitimately, super delegates know they cannot afford to go with him.  They don't want to lose in November.

by macmcd 2008-04-28 06:49PM | 0 recs
You keep telling yourself that.

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-04-28 11:44PM | 0 recs
OT, nonresponsive, disruptive spam

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-28 07:23PM | 0 recs
Tell me what to think TerasaInPa

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-04-28 11:44PM | 0 recs
Bitter, nasty, unfounded accusation.

TexasD brought up the tide metaphor, as have several Clinton supporters in rec'd diaries.  So either the metaphor is wrong or Hillary isn't actually going anywhere.

Oh, and those GE polls only mean anything if the candidate wins the nomination.  Otherwise we might as well poll Gore vs. McCain.  As we all know, that's in the hands of the supers.  So how is it OT to point out the super threshold?

And as evidence by the response to your post, it's not nonresponsive.  0 for 4.

by corph 2008-04-29 12:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

OH NOES THE OLD GEEZER VOTE IS RUNNING FROM OBAMA HELP HELP HELP!!!!!

by obamaforprez 2008-04-28 03:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

Mock if you want, but when seniors don't come out fairly strongly for the Democratic candidate in the fall, we lose.

by arkansasdemocrat 2008-04-28 03:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

OH NOES THE [insert racial insult here] VOTE IS RUNNING FROM CLINTON HELP HELP HELP!!!!!

See your problem now?

by Pacific John 2008-04-28 03:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

Go.Away.

by map 2008-04-28 03:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

Gee, what a nice attitude for a fellow Dem and a supposed progressive to have toward older people.

Shame on you.

by cuppajoe 2008-04-28 05:24PM | 0 recs
tr'd

out of line

by shef 2008-04-28 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

I noted what she said yesterday as well as a similar comment from Howard Dean. The Superdelegates are beginning to watch this race very closely.

by Pagan Power 2008-04-28 03:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

But that doesn't mean that they will come to the same conclusion about electability as you will want.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-28 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

I didn't suppose anything. My point is valid and it is true without supposition.

by Pagan Power 2008-04-28 04:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

I don't understand what you disagree with.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-28 04:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

it's the polls, she polls way high against McCain now, just when Donna says that. Seems like Obama can't count on his friends. Rats leaving a sinking ship are more loyal, look as his fathead pastor who wants to run in Barack's place. That guy eats envy for breakfast.  Only Tweetie is still firmly attached to Barack's leg. He was suggesting his problem has been fanned by Hillary, who is saying nothing and has said nothing. I guess just the fact of Hillary is enough for Tweetie to start whining and blaming?  So, Barack gets to keep Tweetie, but, he's not a super and the piece in the NYT magazine suggests he may be losing his day job, or getting a big decrease in the five mil he earns a year for selling male enhancement medications. He seems to attract an audience that purchases those meds, but so does KO, and KO attracts more of them.  It does inoculate them against boycotts.  

by anna shane 2008-04-28 05:15PM | 0 recs
you are right

they could chose to be morons.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-28 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: you are right

Disenfranchising the base of the party would be a good place to start.

If I wanted to be a member of the Green party, I'd be a member of the Green party.

by Mostly 2008-04-28 09:37PM | 0 recs
Re: you are right
Did all of John Edwards' supporters threaten to join the Green Party? Were his supporters disenfranchised? Seems to me that both remaining candidates are still trying to attract his supporters. Obama seems to have picked up some of them and Clinton seems to have picked up some of them. What is your point?
by Jeter 2008-04-28 10:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

OH NOES THE OLD GEEZER VOTE IS RUNNING FROM OBAMA HELP HELP HELP!!!!

by obamaforprez 2008-04-28 03:40PM | 0 recs
Troll Alert!!!!!!!!!!!!

by aurelius 2008-04-28 03:43PM | 0 recs
TR'd for spamming

by aurelius 2008-04-28 03:44PM | 0 recs
Yesterday he posted an obscene

photo of the shooter from Virginia Tech and said this is what HRC supporters will look like when she loses.

Speaking of losers.....

by CoyoteCreek 2008-04-28 04:00PM | 0 recs
Well, all I can say is that he's a

credit to his candidate of choice.  Sheesh.  What a troll.

by aurelius 2008-04-28 04:05PM | 0 recs
Well said.

by CoyoteCreek 2008-04-28 04:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Well, all I can say is that he's a

Come on now.

by Mandoliniment 2008-04-28 07:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Yesterday he posted an obscene

Whaaaat?  So seriously and ethically out-of-line. Grow up.

by christinep 2008-04-28 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

Yes old geezer here..sorry you have to attack me because of my age..

by grego101 2008-04-28 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

You're not helping.

by Mandoliniment 2008-04-28 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

Please don't consider this douchebag representatives of most of us Obama supporters.

I for one welcome the support of the elderly to the Obama campaign.

Obama/Weiss '08!!!

by doschi 2008-04-29 01:18AM | 0 recs
That is a very smart decision on

both Dean and Braile's parts if its true.

We CAN'T  make the same mistakes we made in the past or it will be the end of the Democratic Party.

Obama's people are doing everything in their power to help their candidate EXCEPT what they really need to do which is encourage him to come out and address and clarify the many unanswered questions many people still have about his platform.

Even if it means destroying some widely held misconceptions about his positions, he has a fiduciary duty to do that.

by architek 2008-04-28 03:43PM | 0 recs
Re: That is a very smart decision on

I'm an Obama supporter and I'm glad that he addressed the Wright remarks today. I'd like to see him do it again and do it strongly.

I think Wright is a self-centered man who didn't like Obama distancing himself from him and he simply doesn't care if he undermines Obama - He may even want to do so.

Yes, he is a complex figure and some of what he says is righteous. But other parts are pretty horrid.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-28 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

I noticed the change in talking points of Dean and Brazile as well. The whole point of the superdelegates is to ensure a strong candidate for the General Election.

by ProudMilitaryMom 2008-04-28 03:48PM | 0 recs
"Is Donna Brazile hinting that Clinton"

I'd rephrase that to say, is Donna Brazile ACKNOWLEDGING that Clinton IS the strongest candidate against McCain.

....because I'd most us following this and paying attention already KNEW, we're happy her biased outlook is clearing, allowing her to see the obvious.  :)

by LindaSFNM 2008-04-28 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: "Is Donna Brazile

great suggestion.  I'll make that edit.  Thanks

by TexasDarlin 2008-04-28 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: "Is Donna Brazile

so cool. thanks.

by LindaSFNM 2008-04-28 07:51PM | 0 recs
Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting

But Brazile is NOT "acknowledging" that at all -- You are exhibiting wishful thinking.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-28 04:03PM | 0 recs
I think she's saying that she's not blind...

to the obvious shift, which is good.

Actually, I think AP's article did a very good job of summing up the landscape..

I also think that the Democrats would be crazy to nominate someone who did not reflect party values as a whole, which is to say someone who feels that this country will do the best if we try to solve our biggest problems such as healthcare - as soon as we can - and not endlessly postpone dealing with them..  lets not forget that a VERY conservative estimate has 21,000 Americans DYING every year because they can't afford heathcare in one way or another.. either drugs, tests or operations...

Personally, I think that estimate is very low, and it doesn't count heart attacks or strokes, etc. in which people do not die.

Obama has said that we can't afford cover the sickest 20% of Americans, the ones who often are not in group plans and can't buy insurance on the open market because of cost. In my opinion, his plan concentrates most of its benefits on people of working age, who are healthy. By not attempting to cover everybody, Obama gives up the opportunity to negotiate prices down as a group, with both healthy (profitable) AND unhealthy (unprofitable) members. Thats a HUGE mistake, and it means many, many people will fall through the cracks. DNC officials probably have healthcare through their jobs at the DNC, I would imagine. But hopefully, they are human and they realize that if we let this historic opportunity go by on healthcare by niminating the wrong candidate, we only have ourselves to blame. We will be letting our people down.

by architek 2008-04-28 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: I think she's saying that she's not blind...

That's a misrepresentation of Obama's position.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-28 04:48PM | 0 recs
How?

Actually, Goolsbee (sp?) his economic advisor said what I got that from.

Basically, as I remember he said in a WSJ article that neither Obama or Hillary were going to be able to try to address the basic cost issues for uninsured people with medical conditions who were not in big groups. Those people are often confronted with insurance costs so high that its impossible for them to buy coverage. basically, its almost everybody with chronic conditions who loses insurance. once they lose it, they can't get it back. This is happening to millions of people.

Goolsbee said that covering people with chronic conditions for both candidates (both Hillary and his own advisee, Obama) would be too expensive. However, he's wrong as far as Hillary, Hillary's group has been crunching numbers and not only do they think they CAN do it - BY LUMPING PROFITABLE HEALTHY PEOPLE IN WITH UNPROFITABLE SICK PEOPLE.. More recently, the Clinton staff announced that they think we can also afford the subsidies to limit people's costs to 5-10% MAX of their income.

Thats less than we are paying now. Also remember that most people's EMPLOYERS would be paying most of this, as they do now. (Probably more peoples employers would do this because it would be cheaper)

Here's the URL:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_pri nt/SB119681696156513818.html

by architek 2008-04-28 07:21PM | 0 recs
Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting

The strongest candidate against John McCain is John Edwards.  He's got elected delegates and he only suspended his campaign - it seems to me he has as much right to the nomination as anyone.

by Mostly 2008-04-28 04:22PM | 0 recs
Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting

Edwards is not a viable candidate. It doesn't matter how qualified a person is, once they become the butt of national jokes they are finished.  Unfair as it may be.

by map 2008-04-28 04:33PM | 0 recs
Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting

Hillary's the strongest. She absorbs all those hits and she's still rated the most competent of the bunch, the one most likely to accomplish what she sets out to do. Pug women even want her, to clean up the bush mess, he's been soooo incompetent, not just in the highly visible areas, in every single area. Those who don't want a girl would vote for her just cause she'll do the hard cleaning and the tedious fixing and the important reversing.  Isn't it american that less than fifty percent say they trust her and more than 70 percent think she'll accomplish what she sets out to do and that they know where she stands on the issues. I heart America, a land of charming paradoxes.  

by anna shane 2008-04-28 05:21PM | 0 recs
the reason Edwards suspended his campaign
is that he was only getting about 12 percent of the vote and no financial support.
Your comment is starting to be spam and silly spam to boot.
by TeresaInPa 2008-04-28 07:40PM | 0 recs
Re: the reason Edwards suspended his campaign

Because I've said it twice?

Either the popular vote is upheld or it isn't.  If it isn't, then there's no reason not to consider Edwards.

by Mostly 2008-04-28 09:41PM | 0 recs
Re: the reason Edwards suspended his campaign

Um, rules state it's the delegates that decide, not the popular vote...

Not that I don't think Obama won't win both, I'm just sayin'.

by doschi 2008-04-29 01:21AM | 0 recs
Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting

I agree with your point even though I support Hillary.

by Pagan Power 2008-04-28 04:32PM | 0 recs
Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting

you are right - she is not ascertaining her preference.  however - she is changing her tune from harshly criticizing HRC/praising BO and the drumbeat of supers ratifying pledged delegates.  what do you think that means?

by canadian gal 2008-04-28 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting

It's possible she knows the contest is winding down and she wants to take a more conciliatory tone to avoid outraging the losing sides supporters.

by map 2008-04-28 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting

that is possible and it is also possible that in fact what many HRC supporters are hoping is true ;)

by canadian gal 2008-04-28 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting

I am once again astounded these people call Obama supporters cultists...

"Your word choice suggests an inadequate level of enthusiasm for and confidence in Teh Dear Leader...."

snark

by BlueinColorado 2008-04-28 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

Enquiring minds thinks she'll endorse Hillary before the supers, who want a winner. This is to pre-sage it, she's dropped repeating him and she's smiling more and that does perhaps indicate that enquiring minds knows a thing or two.   I was surprised and not sure I buy it, she was so in the tank for him, but with Hillary looking to take a bigger lead in the popular vote and besting McCain in pools, Donna saying it's the most electable does seem to give that unsubstantiated rumor some credence. But, what will she get out of it, she'll look like a turncoat, dropping Barack just cause he's lost his momentum.  I guess that's politicians, no loyalty.  Wonder what Bill Richardson is thinking? Suppose he thinks he won't get to be vice president after all?  

by anna shane 2008-04-28 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

Anna, I definitely sensed a shift in Donna's mindset yesterday...subtle, but apparent.

by TexasDarlin 2008-04-28 03:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

i picked up something a week ago in something she said- can't remember what the content was, but it was noticeably less pro-obama than she has been for the last few months. whether she thinks hillary might win and is junping on the bandwagon, or she thinks obama will win, and wants to salvage what she can of the splintered party's support for him, remains to be seen.

i trust brazile about as far as i can throw her. and i throw like a girl.

by campskunk 2008-04-28 04:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

I noticed a change in her demeanor in an interview the day after Hill won PA. It wasn't that she wasn't pro-Obama but much more complimentary and talking Hillary up and even defended her at one point, when someone said they thought Hill was directing her victory speech to the SD's and Brazile said she was not and was speaaking directly to the voters. I see Dean's attitude changing too but I'm not reading anything into eihter of them other than they might have realized they've both  been part of the divisity problem within the party and are trying to undo that damage.

There was a story in ABC, I think, a few days ago that the Obama campaign was calling up all his committed's to reasure them he could get blue-collar workers and to shore up previous support. No mention on how that was going. I'm sure Clinton is doing the same but we keep thinking there are only the 300 uncommitted, plus add ons, and not the 800 SD's we are dealing with. I'm sure IF Dean can press them into a meeting of the minds by Jul 1st and committing one way or the other many committed's might have a differing opinion now than when they first committed. Plus I think some will hold out until the convention waiting on the outcome of MI and FL if the RBC doesn't decide soemthing fair and square, within the rules, before then.

by Justwords 2008-04-28 09:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed ... thought I may have been on crack.  I had to rewind Tivo to watch a second time.

I hope she (and Dean and others) start being a little more open-minded.  I don't care if they conclude that they heart Sen. Obama, but it seemed like they were jumping on the bandwagon with little proof that he can win in the GE, which really disturbs me.

Also, she and Dean might be worried about their job security should Sen. Clinton secure the nomination.

by mlr701 2008-04-28 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

Did you see Howard Dean interview recently?  Notice the cuff-links?  VERY pro-Clinton cuff links.  The tide is definitely turning.  No doubt in my mind.

Maybe--just maybe--we sometimes see what we want to see.

by fogiv 2008-04-28 07:27PM | 0 recs
It's so funny...yesterday I was

complaining to my partner, who hasn't a political bone in his body, how Donna is so in the bag for Obama. Then as I'm watching ABC and Donna is talking, he's in the background pretending not to be paying attention. Then he says, "I don't see it." I nearly fell off my barstool - I knew immediately what he meant. I, too, was perplexed at Donna's change in demeanor. Your diary, T.D., really sums it up nicely.

by Rumarhazzit 2008-04-28 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: It's so funny...yesterday I was

sounds like my house, LOL

by TexasDarlin 2008-04-28 08:18PM | 0 recs
Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

The supers are always paying attention.  Dean is wishy washy though, he's flip-flopped some many times in the past three weeks, which is really spineless if you ask me.  She may very well see a surge in supers, but I don't think it'll be enough.

by venavena 2008-04-28 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile:wants a Winner

Maybe she senses an opening and she wants Dean's job?  it's pretty clear that when HIllary is prez she'll sack him for being a hack. Donna has gone too far out, and maybe she thinks by switching to Hillary she'll have a chance for that job. How much is she now paid by the DNC? And, does anyone know Howard's salary? So far neither has earned it.  

by anna shane 2008-04-28 05:26PM | 0 recs
I have worried about Dean lately
but I am still a Deaniac at heart and I am not convinced like others are that he is behind Obama.  He is not wrong about the 50 state strategy and why it is important.  I also think Hillary is a smart woman and will learn from the mistake of not paying attention to the smaller states.  We do need to build the party in those states to keep our numbers in the congress and senate, governorships and state houses.
So I am still willing to give Dean the benefit of the doubt and to believe that Clinton will not sack him.  I am not sure he wants to keep doing that job forever anyway.  But if he does want to continue  think he is better at the job than most people would be, and certainly better than Donna.  I still think he has the best interests of the party in mind while others mostly have their own interests in mind.
Now that is not to say I don't think he has made some mistakes.
by TeresaInPa 2008-04-28 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner

I think both supporters are going to read what they want to into Dean's and Brazile's statements.

by map 2008-04-28 03:55PM | 0 recs
Yup, I agree..

I don't think that anyone should read too much into anything.. But, there's hope that people like Donna will see what many of us have been trying to say which is that Hillary Clinton has been the stronger candidate all along, and that a lot of the tactics that Obama has been using to try to smear her are indicators of a person who would not make such a good president.

Obama is a very smart man and I think he quite possibly might be there in a few years, when he's gotten some more wisdom to along with that oratory ability, but not now. Right now he seems very immature and his positions aren't the right ones to bring this country out of our long national nightmare.

by architek 2008-04-28 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Yup, I agree..

Clinton has the same weaknesses she always has had. Her negatives are sky high and more people view her as out of touch than they view either Obama or McCain.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-28 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Yup, I agree..

I heard those numbers on the radio today, but they didn't name the poll. Did you catch it?

by BlueinColorado 2008-04-28 05:12PM | 0 recs
I disagree with you..

I think these much mentioned 'negatives' are manufactured by the right in the sense that they are based on propaganda that is just plain false. I think when independents and even moderate Republican voters learn a bit more about Hillary that is not filtered through the GOP noise machine they will realize that they have been lied to. I think that is the right's biggest fear, because not only will Hillary come out of that looking good, the right will also lose credibility because their whole reality distortion field is built on successive lies that have dependencies on one another. If you knock out one or two of the main ones, then the others start to crumble very quickly. Before you know it you have a very different person who realizes that they have been lied to for a LONG time about a LOT of things.

And they are angry.

by architek 2008-04-28 07:36PM | 0 recs
The right is weaker than we think..

for that reason..

by architek 2008-04-28 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Yup, I agree..

Well, what's interesting about that is that her "unfavorable" ratings have been pretty consistent.  But she still beats Obama in major states.  I guess voters have other priorities for their president.  If it were driven by that alone, she would have lost the nomination a long time ago.

by TexasDarlin 2008-04-28 05:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Yup, I agree..

 But she still beats Obama in major states.  I guess voters have other priorities for their president

You do get the difference between a primary and a general election, right?  Those numbers don't come from the 43% of the electorate that self-identify as Democrats.

by BlueinColorado 2008-04-28 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Yup, I agree..

sort of, but they still think she's the most competent and capable of the two and think she's most likely to accomplish what she sets out to do.  She's viewed as "in touch" as Obama within a margin of error, and I think he gets an advantage in that not everyone understands the question. McCain is probably as in touch with his own base, but he's old, not in touch with popular culture. Obama may know more about popular culture.  

by anna shane 2008-04-28 05:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Yup, I agree..

You've presented ZERO evidence to support your contention.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-28 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Yup, I agree..

she's most likely to accomplish what she sets out to do

Such as....?

by BlueinColorado 2008-04-28 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Yup, I agree..

She had very high negagtives in PA but still cleaned Obama's clock. I know many Republicans who would be very comfortable with Cliton.

She will be tough to beat in the general election which is what she is positioned for all along. She has to choose Obama as a VP or the MA gov.

by mmorang 2008-04-28 06:20PM | 0 recs
Really?

didn't seem to matter much to the good people of Pennsylvania

by okamichan13 2008-04-29 09:01AM | 0 recs
re

Newsflash! Obama can't win without supers either! So if a large chunk of them move to Clinton he won't get 2024 and then on to Denver! MI and FL have yet to be addressed as well and they will be or the Democrats are screwed anyway

by rossinatl 2008-04-28 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: re

you would think they'd know by now? But, no, some still claim he's insurmountably ahead, cause so far he has more.  Nice of you to explain again, but it doesn't suit Barack's narrative of being inevitable, so there it goes.  

by anna shane 2008-04-28 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: re

It's because Hillary will have to win so many MORE supers. She has to win roughly 2/3 of the remaining undecided even under the most pro-Hillary prediction of how the remaining pledged delegates are allocated.

by brimur 2008-04-28 06:28PM | 0 recs
Suggestions to TX Darlin

I think this is another good diary that does not go over the top but clearly is designed to make a case for Clinton.

I had a few thoughts.

1. I am a little cautious about reading too much into Brazile's words.  Remember that Obama supporters believe he is the "winner" of this contest and better able to win in November.  You and I disagree with them.  But Brazile has been a die-hard Obama supporter, leveraging her bully pulpit to play games with racial politics.  When she says the word "winner", I am pretty sure she is thinking "my Obama".

2. I'm curious about this "helped by young people" line, because a few people have used that today.  When I look at SUSA polls I'm not seeing it.  I'm going to have to look at the AP poll more closely.  I understand the idea that Barack's strength with youth may be overwhelmed by his weakness with older voters.

3. I would politely suggest that you remove the second-to-last sentence.  It really isn't strongly related to the rest of your piece and kind of just adds a note of divisiveness.  Your diary stands just fine without it.

by bobbank 2008-04-28 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Suggestions to TX Darlin

Nice takes . . . and good suggestion.

by Veteran75 2008-04-28 04:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Suggestions to TX Darlin

If more Hillary supporters - and more Obama supporters for that matter - were as calm and reasonable as you I think this whole process would be many times less divisive.

by brimur 2008-04-28 06:30PM | 0 recs
Polls before the conventions can be funny . . .

POLL SHOWS PEROT GAINING STRENGTH TO RIVAL CLINTON'S

by Veteran75 2008-04-28 04:41PM | 0 recs
but Perot dropped out

and if he had stayed in, all of that support which flew to Clinton after the Clinton would have stayed with him, and he may have won, or finished second

by DiamondJay 2008-04-28 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

Thank goodness there's only 5 more weeks of this. Just don't go getting your hopes up folks OK. This is all part of her exit.

by Travis Stark 2008-04-28 05:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

she has hope, and plans, and solutions and a huge staff of experts and professionals ready to take over on day one.  But, thanks for caring.

by anna shane 2008-04-28 05:41PM | 0 recs
Supporters hoping for jobs under Obama?

might explain some of the blog behavior we have seen..

Might some Dem. politicos think they have better chances of employment under Obama than they would under Hillary, given that Hillary might be more able to hit the ground running?

by architek 2008-04-28 07:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Supporters hoping for jobs under Obama?

Whatever you're smoking, I want some of it.

by amiches 2008-04-29 12:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

When Obama loses, will that be part of her exit too? Keep whistiling by the graveyard...

by zcflint05 2008-04-28 05:58PM | 0 recs
I admire your hope.

I'm looking forward to working with you to help Obama defeat McCain.

by Travis Stark 2008-04-28 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: I admire your hope.

Obama's gonna have to manage without my help.  He maybe should have considered that prior to pissing off a lot of Democrats like me.

But with a bit of luck and talent, Clinton's going to be our nominee, in which case I'll be working hard for her against McCain.

by Montague 2008-04-28 07:52PM | 0 recs
Congratulations.

That makes you a tacit (or maybe not so tacit) member of the Republican Party. The only thing Obama has done to piss you off is beat your candidate. Sorry about that. (Well not.)

by Travis Stark 2008-04-29 05:55AM | 0 recs
Congratulations.

That makes you a tacit (or maybe not so tacit) member of the Republican Party. The only thing Obama has done to piss you off is beat your candidate. Sorry about that. (Well not.)

by Travis Stark 2008-04-29 05:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

I hope so. Obama would have made McGovern look like a winner. The guy is so green and incompetent he embarrassing.

Obaam was never a valid candidate.

He just looked like one on television.

Thank God he's losing now rather than making the entire Democratic Party lose in November.

Obama is toast. Whole-Wheat, but toast none the less.

by BerkekeyGuy 2008-04-28 05:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

Ridiculous comment.  Baseless.

by fogiv 2008-04-28 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

If Obama's the answer, you're asking the wrong question.

by BerkekeyGuy 2008-04-28 05:46PM | 0 recs
The short is ``no''

She is for Senator Obama, always has been.

by ann0nymous 2008-04-28 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

I'm sure that it doesn't mean as much as you're reading into it.  Crazed individuals will soon be posting her emails on various websites once again.

by rfahey22 2008-04-28 06:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

The reality your seeing among the Democratic punditocracy in the widest sense, Brazile to Dowd at the weekend, is that Obama "probably" can't win this thing. In fairness to these folks they want a Democrat in the white house and they are waking up to the awful reality that although they've been lavishing praise on him and dumping on her for months he can't close the sale with the great solid mass of blue collar voters who are actually potentially susceptible to McCain's message. Hell I'm faintly susceptible to it so Mr and Mrs Average in OH or PA have to be. Obama is a great guy, talented and charismatic, but he can't win this. We can argue all night about the reasons and some of them aren't pretty but it's the political reality of America in 2008. Personally I'm one of those that hope they'll kiss and make up and he'll take the VP spot. God knows whether it will happen but it should and he needs to lay down tough conditions for it to happen but it's the optimum solution however unpalatable that may be to Obama's supporters.

by ottovbvs 2008-04-28 06:04PM | 0 recs
I'm sure

this mediafest of Reverend Wright's is changing many people's assessment of Barack Obama.  Donna Brazile looked ill today as she talked about Wright needing to stop making these appearances and speaking out.  As Hillary said after her stunning Pennsylvania win, "The tide is turning."

by izarradar 2008-04-28 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm sure

I have no doubt that Obama is going to draw a sharp line between him and Wright.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-28 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm sure

I know a lot of folks here are on strike and everything, but if you go over to the orange site, you'll see that nearly everyone is calling for Obama to make it as clear as can be that he does not agree with the things Wright has been saying.

There is no denial that this is an issue.  There's a real maturity and honesty about that.

Everyone knows that Wright went far beyond what is acceptable today.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-28 06:26PM | 0 recs
This is why the issue

of Superdelegates is so important, and why we have such a long primary season.  Just for these kinds of scenarios.  What happens when one candidate is leading, but he is tainted by a scandal before the convention?  

by izarradar 2008-04-28 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: This is why the issue

You mean like Gary Hart?

"What happens when one candidate is leading, but he is tainted by a scandal before the convention?"

by wblynch 2008-04-28 11:08PM | 0 recs
I will give DB the same response i

gave to Gov. Howard Dean -

She is only doing it to COVER HER ASS

by sepulvedaj3 2008-04-28 06:23PM | 0 recs
Re: I will give DB the same response i

That sounds about right.  Heck, Dean's also doing some CYA of his own.

by Montague 2008-04-28 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

Don't some of these people here have homework to do?

by Pat J 2008-04-28 06:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

Let's also remember that elected superdelegates are going to look at who can bring them more votes downticket.... Hillary at the top kills almost all pickups west of the Mississippi... She can possibly help win some stuff (and a couple states) in Appalachia...  but we may lost as many as 6 senate pickup opportunities and as many as 20 house opportunities with her at the top...

This kind of info goes through superdelegates' minds as well...  and it's important!  A democratic president with only a slim congressional majority can do very little...  but, they can sure do a lot with a huge majority...

by LordMike 2008-04-28 07:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

More importantly we lose the White House with Obama, Hillary can win. The presidency is worth all 100 Senate seats as the last eight years have demonstrated

by rossinatl 2008-04-28 07:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

Based n what?  One poll?  Hillary hasn't been "vetted" yet, with the right wing praising her at the moment and the media focused on taking down Obama.  If you don't think she has more skeletons in her closet, think again!

She's alienated the true democratic base, intellectuals and african americans who really can't stand her now... they aren't going to come back so easily in November...  and she's broke!  Completely broke!

The only thing working in her favor is obama's volunteer campaign organizing a huge voter registration drive... if she were to take the nomination by a coup of superdelegates, she'll need those numbers to counter the majority of democratic voters disenfranchised by her campaign.

by LordMike 2008-04-28 07:40PM | 0 recs
The right might be trying to hurt Hillary..

by praising her..

who knows?

Its been the most visible and known right wingers who have done it..

In any case, it doesn't matter AS LONG AS PEOPLE FOCUS ON THE ISSUES THAT MATTER TO THEM.. and choose based on that.

by architek 2008-04-28 07:47PM | 0 recs
Re: The right might be trying to hurt Hillary..

Now that's wishful thinking.

by Mostly 2008-04-28 09:47PM | 0 recs
Re: The right might be trying to hurt Hillary..

Not so much.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/opinio n/28kristol.html?hp

Glad to hear that the likes of Bill Kristol aren't defending my candidate of choice.  Might make me think twice.

by doschi 2008-04-29 01:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

Still college-educated, still black, still supporting HRC.  No voting bloc is a monolith.

by TinaH1963 2008-04-28 10:46PM | 0 recs
Fair weather friend...

Why do I get the feeling the people praising Dean and Brazile because they think they are on their side now, will turn on them viciously in a month or so?

As an Obama supporter, I love what Dean has done for our party (2006 election!!) and think highly of Brazile (even though she's a crappy campaign manager).  I felt that way before this primary battle, I felt that way when the HRC supporters were calling for their heads on a pike, I feel that way now, and I'll feel that way in a month or two.

How about you?

by map 2008-04-28 07:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Fair weather friend...

I used to like Brazile, but I started getting unhappy with her long before this primary season started.  She's been way too easygoing on Junior Bush for years now.

by Montague 2008-04-28 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Fair weather friend...

Yeah, for many here, it's all about who is a convenient ally for the moment.  They'll go back to demonizing both soon enough.

by rfahey22 2008-04-28 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Fair weather friend...
After what she tried to do to Bill Clinton (calling the "fairy tale" comment racist), I wouldn't spit on the woman if she were on fire, whether she supports Hillary or not.
Donna looks out for Donna and no one else.
by skohayes 2008-04-29 05:31AM | 0 recs
I -think- she was originally for HRC,
then caved to family pressure and outside pressure.
It would be great if she came back again. Brazile has good
down-to-earth common sense.   I like her a lot.
by internetstar 2008-04-28 07:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

Interesting, Brazile had been one of the ones making pretty ugly attacks on Hillary in the news media. I think the suggestion that Dean, Brazile, etc... just tend to back whoever the current winner is, is the truth of the matter.

I wouldn't expect any loyalty from them, even if Hillary wins both the nomination and the GE. It's people who back you when you are the underdog and stay with you no matter what that are more trustworthy (that goes for any candidate)

by K1966 2008-04-28 09:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

Cool, so now that you guys held a crystal ball and determined that Donna Brazile's word choice means that she's now a Hillary supporter, she's not a "brillohead" anymore.

Thanks for the clarification.

by amiches 2008-04-29 12:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

Excuse me? The only people I've seen using that insult term for Brazile have been Obama trolls here on MyDD who stalk Clinton diaries.  

by K1966 2008-04-29 03:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

The "brillohead" comment was made by a poster on Hillaryis44.  It gets brought up here since some of the Rec list posters frequent that disgusting site.

by map 2008-04-29 05:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

I doubt Brazile is "for Hillary," but we'll see what happens on May 31 when the DNC meets to decide the fate of Florida and Michigan. That will be after the upcoming primaries and Clinton may be able to consolidate more wins. Until then, with all that's going on right now, Superdelegates would be insane to pick Barack Obama as the best candidate in the general. But, it won't be the first time the Democratic Party has led its lemmings over the cliff.

McGovern in '72 comes to mind.

by Tennessean 2008-04-29 06:34AM | 0 recs
yeah thanks for

calling 15 million people who voted for Obama lemmings.

by kindthoughts 2008-04-29 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

Does this mean we don't have to kick Brazile out of the party for being a traitor as I have seen on MyDD so many times now?  What about Pelosi?  If she "gets in line" does she get to keep her seat in Congress?

by kasjogren 2008-04-29 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

I don't like her.  I'm a Hillary supporter and she could shout from the rooftops she was in love with her, and I'd still not like her.

Unlike with Doctor Fell, I know too well why I do not like her.  Starting with 2000 and what she did to Al Gore.  And just about everything since then.

by Larissa 2008-04-29 12:15PM | 0 recs
how bout brazille for hillary? not
obama has the delegates and is getting more supers than hillary. you all must be dizzy for all the spinning.
Taking words our of context and then putting them on a loop! oh,you already did that.
by kareng 2008-04-29 09:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

This site is so ridiculous.  Are you still calling Obama people a "cult"?  After reading this posting and its comments, that would be laughable.  

by froggyman 2008-04-29 09:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

Brazile should have taken up basket weaving after the fiasco in 2000.

by Larissa 2008-04-29 12:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Brazile for Hillary?

Laughable on its face since Brazile said she would quit the Democratic Party if the supers overturned the pledges.

And Hillary can't win the pledges (click on tagline).

by Kobi 2008-04-29 06:25PM | 0 recs

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