Politicsmatters:

Certainly no one can know what was in Narcissus' juvenile thoughts when his middle finger extended to scratch that itch at the very moment that he made the comment "Hillary Clinton was in her element."

But the audience seemed quite willing to presume his middle finger was part of a deliberate gesture. Their response is clear--they were reacting to the gesture.

And, whatever you may think about retarded people, I suspect even low-functioning people would get the picture after the middle finger, the JayZ brush-off and the shaking the dog poop off his shoe gesture.

So, you may not be retarded; just obtuse.

Barack Obama responded like every narcissist. When criticized, they respond with aggression. This was passive-aggressive behavior by definition.

With just enough plausible deniability.

I think TD is serious....  although, personally, I do not think Obama was flipping the entire electorate off, just the Clinton supporters...  /snark.

Do you?

the gesture HAD to be intentional..

LOL!!!!! Amazing

Yeah, they were responding to the speech.

You should take a look at the book "CNN's Tailwind Tale: Inside Vietnam's Last Great Myth"  While the subject is Vietnam, it also about why people believe what they believe - from a Amazon review

What Lembcke provides is the cultural atmospherics that make some people believe anything that supports their predispositions. Most alert people already know this, but rarely do we see such outrageous claims go unchallenged by pros.

You don't like Obama, find him and his supporters naive, childish and arrogant, so you believe that he is giving the finger and the crowd reacting.  

Instead of looking for that, take a look at the longer clip and ignore the gesture.  Listen to the speech, the crowd reacted because of the words being said.

Jay-Z!

The video link below shows the truth. He used two fingers. But don't let the truth stop your bullshit.

Actually, I'm 55 and I know it's a flip off. That's the way you do it when you are trying to hide it from "straight" people, or your BOSS who could fire you.

Doing that has been around for many decades now in the counterculture.

Tiny, invisible straws that don't exist.

the fact we are wasting time on this.

but like I said this needs to be pushed, once the supes see MSM talking about stuff like this?

yeah they will end the primaries once and for all

The diarist is not trying to assume the worst of our Democratic Presidential candidates...  just trying to smear Obama by any means necessary....

The flip of the bird is debatable and for the most part, a non-issue.

That being said, the clips you provided are a different viewpoint BUT none come even close to resembling the original image presented in the diary. Tell me, which side view pic goes with the direct view pic?

Aw. You spoiled the childish fun for the diarist who wants a grown up to be president. What a crock this diary is.

Consolaton is you have to be the frontrunner in a big way to get this kind of scrutiny.  

That'll be a relief.

Don't speak for Europe.

Nobody gives a crap about somebody itching their face.  Nobody except this diarist.

Sweet Lord you cannot be serious....

I have seen a lot of manufactured outrage on this board in the past month or so, but this sets a brand new standard....

Next he'll be scratching his balls in public.  Yikes!

Well said, Joey.

Although I believe his gesture was conscious and intentional.

(Great diary, TexasDarlin.)

You seem full of hate.

hahaha unless you are like 27 yo did NOT see that in middle school, Jay Z just wasn't that popular that long ago.

but by all means vote for McCain no one will tell you not too.

Thank you for saying you will vote for McCain.  

I look forward to ignoring you when Clinton finally drops out of the race.  

Teresa I have been reading your nasty, hateful posts for months.  And now you have finally done it - you are going to become a Republican because Obama scratched his face.  I hope after June 3rd you never have the gall to post here again - you are truly a disgrace to democrats.

Well then future republican, please remove yourself to redstate or some other such smear zone.  

You'll find a place more aligned with your views while simultaneously sparing the rest of us your idiotic comments.  It's win-win.

Jeez, Theresa, tell us how you really feel. And please by all means use your democratic right to vote to pursue endless war in the middle east and make sure we can continue with top-down economic policies that make it harder and harder for americans to afford food and gas and healthcare. Go right ahead, please.

This is really the bottom of the barrel. You actually think that Obama would give Clinton the finger on TV? Your perspective for rational thought and common sense has flown right out the window. That you would actually consider voting for endless war in Iraq solidly proves the point. The only one acting like a child is you.

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Seriously. Are you so insecure in your dislike of Obama you have to reach like this for evidence?

Get help.

Teresa finally jumps the shark.

Change your sig to "typical white person will be voting for McCain"

Well, he only did it at one event, so...you've just answered your own question.

You said it...!  Oh wait....

The MSM will make an issue out of a non-issue if it will help prolong this thing...  ratings are up... that will change once a nominee is chosen...  I suspect their motives are not exactly pure at this point...  That and it is probably a slow news day...

As to Clinton supporters making an issue out of it... I would like to say I'm surprised, but I would be lying.

Yes. Delusional.

History will look at this as a turning point in modern psychology. Pushing this issue will qualify one for immediate institutionalization. Billions will be saved on Psychological care, since no need for any other analysis. Anyone who thinks Obama is 'flipping the bird' from this are likely too far gone, and would thus overcrowd America's already overtaxed asylums. And the loss of business would leave tens of millions of unemployed mental health professionals with nothing better to do than depress the tens of millions of homeless citizens left over from the Bush Depression.

The country will collapse under the strain, but the cable news channels will be forced by all the Wall Street suicides to leave team coverage of Is-it-a-UFO-or-Bigfoot-or-Obama-Flipping -the-Bird-Gate. Having to do so will lead to mass self-immoliations at CNN and Fox News, a tragedy that will lead to people watching old Law and Orders instead.

In their weakened state, Fred Thompson defeats a one-term President Obama who was unable to pass any health care or economic reforms because Congress were too busy going on the cable nets to comment on "The-Zapbruder-Film-Shows-Obama-Flipping -The-Bird-Gate" than to actually legislate.

President Thompson then dozes off, his forehead hitting the button that sends all the nation's nukes to Ottumwa, Iowa, home of Radar O'Reilly from MASH.

CURSE YOU AND YOUR ITCHY FACE, OBAMA!

CURSE YOU OBAMA!!!???

Please, put your thinking cap on and watch the videos again.  It's the same event people!  How is this hard to understand?  I think what's going on here is a case of people seeing exactly what they want to see.

I was wondering if you were going to comment or if you were just going to troll-rate a bunch of comments you don't agree with and leave...

You are completely wrong by the way.  And comparing Obama supporters with GWB supporters...  thy are called Democrats by the way and if Clinton gets the nomination, you will need their support.

Must... fight... troll... bait...

- "Never done anything worthwhile." Not worth commenting.

- "Priviledged." Compared to whom? Clinton? Bush? Anyone in the Senate? Compared to the average politician, Obama had a much less priviledged upbringing than most, and as one of the few Blacks in politics, a harder upbringing than most of the ones that are left. He's certainly the least affluent of all the major Democratic and GOP candidates, even including his book sales since he became famous.

- "Funded by Criminals." Hmm, largest new donor base in history, millions raised... maybe some are criminals, but, if this is your try at a Rezko comment, we could Hsu it up if you'd like.

- "Flashing the bird." One sees what one wants... I don't think anyone above the age of fart jokes would even notice.

- "No records of his time in office in Illinois." Really? Maybe they were lost in the Earthquake, along with your ability to use Google.

- "Followers just as blinded as Bush's followers." I don't know, you have to be pretty blind to write a post in which every statement, with the possible exception of your "I have been saying it for a while now" is, again, demonstrably false.

- "There is absolutely no difference..." between your posts and a PhD thesis written by monkeys who were originally tasked to write Hamlet.

I'm very proud of you.

You emerged from the shadows of leaving troll-ratings for every Obama supporter on this site long enough to actually comment on something.

Progress!

It is very strange to me that Obama reminds me in far too many ways of Chimpy.  No one could be as bad as Chimpy, and by no means do I think Obama is that awful, but still.  Weird parallels.  I do think he did the scratching thing on purpose.  I do think it's juvenile.  It's not the reason I want him to lose, though.

No need to troll rate, macmd.  Your comments are as one-sided as mine, but - like Obama on Clinton's Bosnia retort - no need to pile-on.  

MediaFreeze,

Can you take a look at the video I posted up thread?  Since you've watched the other versions critically you'll be able to identify it as the same Raleigh, NC rally but from a drastically different angle.  Jump to 20:50 to see the the cheek scratch with all of Senator Obamas fingers plainly visible - you'll clearly see a two-fingered cheek scratch with nothing left up to interpretation.  

Thanks.

oh man we gotta find a youtube of that episode!

I think you're just mad that voters had the gall to laugh at the other night's silly debate.  Pantomiming the removal of mud after a "mud-flinging" debate is now a capital offense?  You either have no sense of humor or have lost all perspective.

Maybe we should talk about Hillary laughing at all his answers during the debate?

I would like to say I'm surprised that this hit the rec-list, but I'm not...  that is usually where the Obama hit-pieces end up....

And to think, yesterday there was a debate that Obama supporters actually hate Clinton more than they like Obama....  It would seem that, on this site and some others, Clinton supporters actually hate Obama more than they like her....  Hence the threats to vote for McCain... something that I doubt Senator Clinton would advocate....

I can say that I didn't believe it, I had to go back and check.

Here is why I am surprised.  It's insane and makes Clinton supporters seem delusional.  Normally the hit pieces at least are somewhat grounded in reality or would at least someone could imagine how it would be "devasting."

All this does is show how political passions can make see ghosts.  Its getting close to "9-11 was an inside job" bumper stickers.  

It reveals nothing about Obama, but a lot about people who "see" this or can't imagine the audience is reacting to the speech and "ohhh" line that was just delivered.  And sadly, a lot about this site, with it being on the rec list.  I kinda hope it goes to number 1.

that's not actually a joke.  :-(

Yes, it's all "clear" that that's what the audience thought and what Obama himself thought.  Can I pay you $5 for a palm reading?

I think that would actually be a step up in the level of discourse.

The stupid leading the stupid.

Congratulations.

If it makes the air, will they play that little "stinger" sound effect with it too, you think?

Good lord.

The quote redstate.com.

Typical Fox, all insinuation and innuendo, and they get the basic facts wrong: two fingers, not one Fox.

You're lost to all reason.

I disagree that he is being thin-skinned. When George Stephanopoulus said, " let's turn to the economy as it is the number one issue on voters minds," it was an absolutely terrible moment becasue he didn't actaully say that until more than an hour in to the debate. That is what Obama was leveling criticism at. It's not taking tough questions, its taking irrelevant ones.

What do you make of Hillary Clinton's complaint about getting the first question during the Ohio debate?

Yeah, you'd think that a diarist who was previously banned would have a little more journalistic integrity.

She types with her nose.

And those people sitting to his left are laughing - at his words. They can't even see his hand from their side.

not to mention that it was only one event.

Do you remember that time a different diarist posted a diary on the premise that since obama had an average contribution of 98 dollars he was elitist? Then it turned out Hillary had a higher average contribution?

This one's almost as fun as that one was.

I just love it when people get called out on their shit but then don't update or unrec.

I don't know about that, but I vote this diary be deleted.  I've already written one of the admins.  Anyone second me?

She's already been banned once.  Her supporters clambored to have her reinstated.  For insight like this.

Clearly he is flipping off wall street.

Snark.

As usual, TexasDarlin posts a hitpiece diary, then runs away and does not comment.

After it has been proved that she is mistaken, that indeed there's only one event, not two, she never corrects the mistake.

Dishonest and despicable.