Hoosiers

Last week I posted a diary analyzing the Ohio Democratic primary with an eye to predicting the Pennsylvania results on April 22. The bottom line of that analysis was a 57-43 Clinton victory in the Quaker State.

Indiana Democrats are slated to weigh in two weeks later on May 6, and insofar as Indiana might also share demographic characteristics with Ohio, a similar analysis in presented here for the IN contest.

First, recapping the analysis of the actual results in Ohio's March 4th primary, a cluster analysis (k-means) of Ohio's 88 counties on a set of five non-political factors (population density, median household income, percent blacks, percent high school grads, percent college grads) yielded the following map:

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The six clusters are defined roughly as follows:


Hillary-billies

Low income, low education, low population density, 99% white; supports Hillary at 80%. These counties have often leaned Republican in presidential contests, although it should be noted that they largely went for Bill Clinton in 1992, so it's kind of a traditional "Clinton Country."

Ed-necks

Like the Hillary-billies, just a little less so (slightly more income, education, etc), 97% white; supports Hillary at 70%. "Ed-necks" is a pun on PA Gov. Ed Rendell, who noted that some whites are not ready to vote for a black candidate for president. The support for Obama in the nearly 100% white Hillary-billary and Ed-neck counties of only 20-30% would support the idea that there is a good bit of racial voting there.

Proletariat

Medium income, medium education, exurban, 94% white; supports Hillary at 61%.

Hoosierdom

Medium income, medium education, rural, 98% white; supports Hillary at 61%.

Crunchy-cons

High income, very high education, medium population density, 97% white; supports Hillary at 55%.

Obama-crats

Medium income, high population density, high education, urban, 21% black; supports Obama at 54%.

Overall, Hillary prevailed 55-45 in Ohio, and Obama only came out on top in five counties:

To project the results in Indiana from these Ohio results, it should be noted that the following demographic analysis presumes all other "news" factors are equal. On March 4, for example, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright flap had not become widespread. At that time, the biggest issue in the campaign was perhaps the story about the Obama campaign's duplicity on NAFTA, widely considered to have hurt him in Ohio. The PA results on April 22 should be an indication of whether these IN projections will play out similarly two weeks later.

Here's a map of Indiana's 92 counties, subjected to the same cluster analysis described above for Ohio:

IN has a population of 6.3 million compared to 11.5 million for OH. IN has a smaller fraction of blacks in the population, 8.4% compared to 11.4% for OH. Hispanics are 4.8% in IN, over double that in OH, 2.3%.

Here's how the six clusters in the two states compare in terms of fraction of the Democratic primary electorate (projected in the case of IN):

The Obama-crat cluster is reduced in IN (more spread out population and fewer blacks. Ed-necks, Proletariat and Crunchy-cons are somewhat greater in proportion. These factors would indicate that Hillary will do even better in IN than OH's 55-45 result.

The Democratic primary turnout estimates for each group in IN are based on the turnouts for the analogous groups in OH:

In a similar way, the total voting-age population in each cluster in IN could be multiplied by the Democratic turnout percentages above to get the projected turnout in each cluster (i.e., represented by the pie chart above), and then the Democratic turnout could be multiplied by the expected Hillary percent above in each cluster to get the projected IN final result. However, as there are some minor demographic differences between corresponding clusters in the two states, it's best to do a little tweaking first of the expected Hillary percentages.

Here is the demographic comparison of the six clusters in the two states:

The expected Hillary percentage in each cluster for IN has been adjusted slightly based on the demographic differences. For example, Obamacrats in OH have 21% blacks compared to 26% for IN. That would mean less votes for Hillary in IN. Offsetting that though somewhat is that the Hispanic percentage (not shown) is higher in this group in IN. Lake County (Gary), for example, has 13.9% Hispanics and 26% blacks.

Given the projected Hillary percentages in the table, the projected final result comes out to a 58-42 victory for her in IN.

As for the projected turnout and vote totals, it comes out to a turnout of 1,120,450 Democratic voters, Hillary 643,396 to Obama 477,055--a margin of 166,341 votes. These totals may be somewhat of an overestimate, as IN tends more Republican than does OH. On the other hand, it is an open primary, and there could be a good bit of crossover voting from Republicans and independents.

Tags: 2008, Barack Obama, Election, Hillary Clinton, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Primary (all tags)

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by techfidel 2008-03-24 07:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Hoosiers

Wow, you went through a lot of work there. I'd say if every state went the way you extrapolated simply because of what Ohio did, Clinton would have won in Wisconsin, too. Indiana is more closely tied with Illinois and Chicago than anyone else; I think you overestimate Clinton's chances, though I don't disagree it'll be hard fought.

We'll just have to see.

by ragekage 2008-03-24 07:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Hoosiers

A damn fine diary.
Not only is the research good, but it's funny, too.

I cringe when the pundits say that Indiana is like Illinois.  
It ain't.  It is anything but.

by johnnygunn 2008-03-24 07:18AM | 0 recs
Fun diary, and I hope it's true ...

unfortunately (for us Hillary supporters) I also read a poll recently that asked Indianians if they were "ready for an african american president" (about 55% yes) and if they were "ready for a woman president (something like 40% yes).  :(

by mnicholson0220 2008-03-24 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Fun diary, and I hope it's true ...

Yes that is probably true, they want to appear to be open minded, but they are not really.  They are more traditional in many respects.  But they would answer a poll that way and in the privacy of the voting booth, not vote for a black man anyway.  That is the truth, but as for democrats, it could be s different thing, not based on race at all but on the experience question perhaps.  Who knows?  We will have to wait to see on this one.

by democrat voter 2008-03-24 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Fun diary, and I hope it's true ...

So, you think they're lying when the 40% say they're ready for a woman President because they want to sound more open minded?

by ragekage 2008-03-24 08:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Fun diary, and I hope it's true ...

When 50% of the voters are women and only 40% say they are ready for a woman it makes you wonder.

Kind of like if 15% of the population was black but 95% said they were not ready for a black president ...

by DTaylor 2008-03-24 08:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Fun diary, and I hope it's true ...

Your comparison confuses me.

by ragekage 2008-03-24 09:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Hoosiers

you do alot of hard work and I appreciate that. Good work! I would love one for NC. Let us see if this is on the mark

by American1989 2008-03-24 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Hoosiers

Having been born and raised in Indiana, I would say that Indiana is not Illinois, not by a long shot.

This state will go red this fall anyway but I think the votes will be more balanced because of republican crossover.  Whether they do vote for O is anyone's guess.  They are surely prejudiced there.  This is the state where the KKK once was created, where the John Birch society still has believers.

Without a doubt there are a few progressives there but not very many.  Even the colleges there are red underneath.  I don't think that O will find many people who believe as he does.  They are very pro military as well but don't feel a particular need to  be showy about it.  I doubt O speech makes a bit of difference to them.  This is a place where Indianapolis was once called naptown, and still is by some people.  They don't change their political views much either.  It took them decades to change to daylight savings time and many are still mad about that change.  A democrat like Evan Byah is their kind of democrat, not anyone even closely resembling Kennedy or Kerry.  Their idea of a man is not Obama, that's for sure.

Good work on your analysis and maps.  I like them a lot.

by democrat voter 2008-03-24 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Hoosiers

Oh, really? Whereabouts did you live in Indiana, and when? I'm actually curious, we might've been neighbors.

by ragekage 2008-03-24 08:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Hoosiers

you do alot of hard work and I appreciate that. Good work! I would love one for NC. Let us see if this is on the mark

by American1989 2008-03-24 07:39AM | 0 recs
I looked at VA

...as a possible model for NC (more appropriate than OH, I think). Problem is, VA has an odd system where there are 100 counties and then something like 40 independent cities which are not part of any county. The election results therefore include this mixed list of cities and counties, & it's not clear how to deal with that in the type of analysis above.

by techfidel 2008-03-24 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: I looked at VA

Heh. I did a commentary on this in a diary, much the same as you did, on why Obama can run away with VA in the fall. NC is very similar. Look up my analysis if you care to.

by ragekage 2008-03-24 08:11AM | 0 recs
Have a link? n/t

by techfidel 2008-03-24 08:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Hoosiers

Obama's campaign projected he would win Indiana 53-46, so any victory by Clinton there would be huge.  If she does manage a double-digit victory there, combined with an even larger victory in PA and perhaps squeaks out a win in NC, her chances for securing the nomination improve greatly.

by markjay 2008-03-24 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re:Danger of BAD April, May, June

Excellent work! Thank you for all the effort.

By the way, to those people who say Illinois is like Indiana politically is LIKE SAYING West Virginia is like the State of Virginia.

Unless you understand the politics in these states, please DO NOT make false conclusions just to sound knowledgeable or to falsely benefit your candidate.

Indiana is the most republican leaning state among the big 4 neighbors of IN,MI,WI,IL.

While Illinois is the most Blue state among the 4.

Indiana is much more conservative, Illinois is much more liberal.

Blacks have less clout in Indiana statewide office. While Illinois is only one of 3 states to elect an African-American for High Statewide office. In fact, the Only state in the entire country to ELECT TWO BLACKS for Higher Statewide office.

The month of April & May could turn out to be the roughest months for Obama & the best month for Clinton.

Even June could be rough for Obama. Clinton is expected to win Puerto Rico by a lanslide & is now said to be very viable in South Dakota.

If Obama ends the 2008 Primary with losing months for April,May & June - this will be a BIG HEADACHE for SUPER DELEGATES!

Have you ever had a Frontrunner nominee in history end the primary with Losing laps instead of Victory laps? And absolutely  No Momentum going into the Convention?

by libdemusa 2008-03-24 08:01AM | 0 recs
But WV could be like western VA

...which went strongly for Hillary.

by techfidel 2008-03-24 08:09AM | 0 recs
Re: But WV could be like western VA

Agree. I can say that WV and VA as a whole are very different, but swVA is more like WV and would seem to be more favorable to Clinton.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-24 10:00AM | 0 recs
Re:Danger of BAD April, May, June

BS. I've lived in ALL of the places you suggest- IL, IN, and VA- and IL and IN are WAAAAAY more alike than Virginia and WV.

by ragekage 2008-03-24 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Hoosiers

Okay, as a current resident of Indianapolis and the proprietor of a blog entitled "I May Be from Indiana, but I am NOT an Idiot..." I feel inclined to answer some of the issues here.

Sure, in a lot of ways Indiana is pretty backwards, but I kind of resent the implications that we're somewhat moronic and that Indianapolis is still "naptown."  For anyone who has visited Indianapolis in the past 10 years, you have to have noticed that it has undergone amazing transformations, which has been an example for many  cities trying to revitalize their core.  There is a lot going on in art and culture as well, with Indianapolis and it's Cultural Trail being singled out by the New York-based Project for Public Spaces as one of five "Great Cities," with the others being Hong Kong, Bogata, Zurich, and Melbourne.  Sure, we are not Chicago, and we never will be.  However, we're not all slack jawed yokels.

It is also a myth that Indiana is monolithically red.  In fact, the 7th District, which encompasses most of Indianapolis went for John Kerry in 2004.  Sure, there is little chance that Indiana will become a blue state in November, but there are definite pockets of progression in many parts of this State.  The fact that the Clinton Campaign has avoided Indianapolis in their campaign stops, proves that it is probably already being ceded to Obama, especially in light of the large African American population, that gave Julia Carson (and now her Grandson) multiple wins.

The interesting thing for Indiana will be turnout, and I think it will be much bigger than anyone thinks.  With a Governor that a lot of people do not care for, and of course, all of the House seats being voted on, there will be plenty of motivation for people to get out and vote.  Also, the Democrats have former Rep. Jill Long Thompson running in the primary for governor, which could also give a "woman" power push for Hillary.

Also, you must take into consideration for Obama that almost 40% of Northern Indiana favors the Chicago media market over Indianapolis.  So, in a lot of ways, Obama is more their senator than Evan Bayh or Lugar.  So, I expect him to be strong there and in Indianapolis.

Will it be enough for him to win? I do not know.  Clinton will need to mobilize the blue collar base, which I think she will be able to do, but I do think it will be very close.

Okay...that rambled on more than I wanted...

by FitnessNerd 2008-03-24 08:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Hoosiers

What he said. Lived outside of Indy; his take is pretty bang-on.

by ragekage 2008-03-24 08:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Hoosiers

I agree.

I hail from the NW corner of Indiana - with most of my family still residing their (transplants to Indy as well).

The Chicago media cross-over is not to be ignored.  It's funny actually -- unlike Wisconsin, which has something of a good-natured back-and-forth with its 'FIB' neihbors, or even downstate Illinois - which sometimes sees Chicago as the root of Illinois evil, there's a strong tie between the South Bend-Gary corridor and Chicago.  It's more of a 'big brother' relationship... ethnically (both Chicago and NW Indiana have large Polish contingents) and religiously (ditto Catholic populations).

I provided some of my own regional anecdotes below... but I definitely realize they are 1)first and foremost, anecdotes... which has all the validity of a Frum focus group (read: not much), and 2)definitely colored and weighted by their Chicago proximity.

I think the diarist's work on these maps is second to none... really, really good Demographics stuff.

I also think that geographical proximity is going to lead Obama to overperform what we might neutrally expect the Demographics to project.

I'll also say this...  Mitch Daniels is in trouble.   The SB area is a Democratic stronghold, but very much a "swing Democratic" vote... These are 'conservative Democrats' (think Tim Roemer... and Evan Bayh to a lesser extent, though the Bayhs are more of a central/southern IN power family).   There's a real, palpable anger against Daniels.  I'm not ready to put money on it - but I could definitely see Daniels getting a Bart Peterson "shock" this fall.

by zonk 2008-03-24 08:54AM | 0 recs
FWIW

I hail from NW Indiana (though I've lived in Chicago for about 20 years now).

My extended family still lives in Indiana -- mostly in the South Bend/LaPorte/Michigan City area, but some south around Indianpolis.  We're entirely Catholic.  Largely Polish.  Largely rural/some 'ex-urban'.  Lily white.

This weekend's Easter gathering really opened my eyes.

It's anecdote only - and there is dangerous in anecdotal readings - but my family is by and large typical 'low info' voter types.  They don't watch CNN or MSNBC at all -- but neithere do they watch FoxNews.   They don't generally vote in primaries-  but are somewhat reliable "Reagan Democrat" GE voters.

I was actually dreading the political discussions... My family knows me as the liberal among us - but they're not freeper types that somehow think this makes flawed.

My anecdotal report - ~30 voting age folks, ranging from highly educated uppper class (MBAs, another cousin whose family owns a large number of midwesetern auto dealers), solid middle class (single working women, nursing home adminitrators, independent truck-drivers), and lower class (stuggling blue collar workers, farmers, etc).

3 to 1 favoring Obama... and I have not sent a single e-mail or spent a single phone call lobbying for him.   More than pleasantly surprised - I was pleasantly SHOCKED at the discussion... so much so that I really listened more than talked because I found the Easter dinner discussion so uplifting, I didn't want to jinx it.

Some key points from my ad hoc focus group.

- Wright has NO legs.  The small town that my family hails from is 100% white... largely Catholic.  Rather than hurt Obama, Wright seems to have HELPED him.  There's a large segment of Catholics that believe THEY'VE often been victimized by Protestan machinations.  I, of course, don't buy into all that -- but there was an awful lot of "How come nobody is asking about McCain's church?!?! Or Clinton's??!?!"   I have no insight as to whether this is a Catholic thing or what -- but there was a strong opinion that how and where Obama worships is HIS private business... not "ours".

- Unity sells.  Big time.  The most common theme from 'camp Obama'?  It's time for a "new" politics.  More than once, I heard the themes of moving forward, hope, change -- an end to "bloodsport" politics.  Obama really speaks to folk's better angels.  These are folks that may be registered as Democrats (mostly), unaffiliated (the next largest group), and yes - Republican (a few).  However-  NONE of them are 'partisans'.  They're as likely to vote GOP as they are Democratic.   They truly like a candidate that seems to be 'post-partisan'.  They do NOT think Obama 'resolves' partisanship... rather, they think Obama can lead a move away from partisanship.

- Iraq matters.  Time and again - I heard the exact opposite of what I heard in 2004.  McCain's support for Iraq is going to hurt him.  Big Time.

- Econmics = taxes.  Lots of anger over taxes - but they were confined to State/local tax issues (IN just raised its sales tax... property taxes are high.. Excise taxes are high).  I actually used this as a neat little segue to deride our current administration... that local taxes have risen because federal income taxes were slashed, so states and municipalities have to raise their taxes.

- It wasn't nearly so easy to slot people into their 'demographic' classes (i.e., by education or income).   The 3 to 1 Obama support lead was pretty close to the same in my lower class, high school educated cousins, aunts, and uncles, as it was among my solid middle class, 2 year college family, as it was in my MBA holding, executive upper class family.

- Regionalism matters.... Fairly or not - Obama gets "midwest bonuns points".   There's a strong undercurrent of anger against those that view the midwest as 'flyover' country.   More than once - I heard the idea of voting Obama to "stick it to the east coast/stick it to the west coast".   Obama is clearly getting some regional, geographic "bonus points".... rightly or wrongly.

Like I said - this all just anecdotal... but it was also a welcome respite away from the hyper-partisan nature of our current world of the blogs.  I'm heartened, in fact, that 'non-partisans' actually seem to look at the way we see things as "navel gazing", "gotcha" politics of the worst sort.

by zonk 2008-03-24 08:21AM | 0 recs
Just to follow-up

Because, of course, preferences aren't the same as primary votes...

of the ~30 or so IN voting eligible folks gathered, I'd estimate that no more than 3 or 4 regularly vote in primaries.   If what family said is to be believed, that number will triple or quadruple this May.   An aunt, two uncles, and 3 cousins have already either verified or checked, found they weren't eligible, and updated their registration TO allow them to vote in the primary.  I helped several more navigate the IN SoS website so that they can make to get registered this week.

By my count - there are at least a dozen folks within my own little 'family focus group' that wouldn't normally vote in a primary that will be voting in May.  The count is decidedly pro-Obama - in fact, of what I would guess to be "new primary voters" - it was 100%.  The Clinton folks were the ones I suspect usually vote in primaries (my grandmother, etc).

Like I said... take it for what it's worth - but it was refreshing to take a break and talk politics with folks that aren't so easy to pigeonhole demographically -- who aren't interested in the latest news cycle, but take a more "long view" approach.   We can deride them as low-info voters, but there's actually a more circumspect and nuanced approach that gets missed in our analysis of how things "play in Peoria", so to speak.

by zonk 2008-03-24 08:34AM | 0 recs
Anti-Catholicism

Not surprised your family feels somewhat like an oppressed minority in Indiana.  While the Klan most famously hates blacks, its second wave - which was incredibly strong in Indiana - was also virulently anti-catholic.  Many of my older family members, even those who are otherwise democrats, didn't vote for Kennedy.

by BDB 2008-03-24 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Anti-Catholicism

Good point.

My grandfather actually has stories very much to that effect... Like I said, though, my town is very much a Catholic enclave - the extent, while possibility not an outright majority, probably are a plurality in the area.  

by zonk 2008-03-24 11:09AM | 0 recs
As for flyover backlash

Hillary hails from Chicago herself, thence to the Arkansas Mafia. Not much East/west-coastiness there either.

by techfidel 2008-03-24 08:38AM | 0 recs
Re: As for flyover backlash

Sure - but most folks either don't know that, or, don't consider her a "Chicagoan".

Rightly or wrongly - and as an Obama supporter, I'm not one to play devil's advocate against him/for his opponent - she's seen in my family as a "New Yorker".

I'm just reporting the anecdotes I heard over the weekend -- and those anecdotes clearly painted Obama as the midwest 'native son' and Clinton as the "east coast elite".  

by zonk 2008-03-24 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: As for flyover backlash

Just so we're all clear.

I absolutely, positively did NOT take any part in the "regionalism" discussions... I only listened.

I'm firmly in the "Democratic ticket all the way" camp.

I was very careful, for whatever little my voice is worth, NOT to play any "anti-Hillary cards".  At one point, I actually did even defend her against some of hte usual right wing attacks...

I tried to foster what I felt are fair and valid Obama points of support and downplay any anti-Hillary sentiments.

In the end, once this primary is over -- I think my real work begins.... wrining every last vote for a Democrat that I can out of my family.

I hope that's a vote for Obama - but if it's a vote for Clinton, so be it.... I'll be advocating the Democratic ticket with no if's, and's, or but's.

by zonk 2008-03-24 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: FWIW

Thanks for sharing this. It's always interesting to get anecdotal experience of the election. It makes you wonder where polling data comes from. For instance, I thought for sure based on conversations with my family and friends in VA that Hillary would have done better than she did. BTW, there is new polling data out on the Catholic vote you might find interesting. Obama will need to make gains in the Catholic voting block to overcome Hillary's lead. I'm assuming Obama also trails McCain with the Catholic voting block as well.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-24 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: FWIW

Thanks -

I will say, I think what polls do is "even out the anecdotes".

While my anecdote touches on one dynamic (i.e., "Catholic") - it also very much includes another dynamic -- proximity to Chicago.   In my particular instance - it seems at least from my experience that "media market identity" trumps the "Catholic idenity" judging strictly from the "primary voter preference" perspective.

It has little to do with the primary... but our biggest fight over Easter dinner?   Whehter it was "right" to root for the Belmont upset of Duke :-)..... I.e., myself and a few others viewed it as cool that a David like Belmont almost upset the Duke goliath.  But a couple cousins and uncles scoffed as us rooting against the very Polish, very South Side Chicago, very Catholic Coach K!

by zonk 2008-03-24 11:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Hoosiers

Excellent diary.

by LindaSFNM 2008-03-24 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Hoosiers
Good work. Rec'd.
by sricki 2008-03-24 09:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Hoosiers

Obama has raised more money in IN than any other candidate. Democratic and Republican.

by KathyM 2008-03-24 09:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Hoosiers

One dynamic is missing from this report. There is a seven-way Democratic primary for Julia Carson's old seat in the 7th District. Her grandson, Andre, just won it in a special election over the Republican, John Elrod.  However, he is facing stiff competition from several much more qualified and experienced candidates, including two state legislators and the former Director of the Department of Health.  This is going to be a turnout race, and Carson's old machine will most definitely crank up the buses.  That will translate into a greater percentage of African American votes than the percentage of population.  That favors Obama.  Also, Indiana is VERY Republican.  It is still proud to be the birthplace of Lincoln.  A better question than who lives where is who lives where WHO WILL VOTE DEMOCRATIC.

Indiana is an open primary- just declare when you get there.  Also, the Governor is unopposed on the primary ticket.  The real deciding factor might well be local.  Most races here are decided in the primary, particularly in the Republican towns and cities.  People who otherwise might vote Clinton will take Republican ballots to decide their next city council, mayor, school board or judge.

by dhonig 2008-03-24 09:17AM | 0 recs
Lincoln Birthplace?
What is that log cabin in Harrodsburg KY doing calling itself the birthplace of Lincon?
Don't most history books say Indiana was the boyhood home of Lincoln?
by susie 2008-03-24 11:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Lincoln Birthplace?

Maybe that's it.  I just know people here associate themselves very strongly with Lincoln (I'm from Florida - what the heck do I know?).

by dhonig 2008-03-24 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Hoosiers

More great work, techfidel. I appreciate the effort you put into this. It is nice to read the numbers versus the vitriol. Happy to rec.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-24 10:04AM | 0 recs

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