I knew a year ago not to expect real change.

At this point I am hoping " Obama reform" gets defeated so that we can have real reform in the future.

i other words, it is okay if Obama does it even though he said he wouldn't.

by health care reform I guess you mean the current "insurance industry protection act" that is currently being proposed by the president and the democratic congress?

I am not worried.  I am not surprised.  Why worry over the inevitable.  I knew last year this was all going to play out this way.

What pisses me off however is that it is all set to kick in in 2013.  Why?  Because by the time people figure out how badly they have been screwed obama will have been safely reelected.

democrats I am assuming you are a liberal.  As a liberal how can you think that anything other than medicare for all or single payer is a good solution for anyone?  This plan is being called the "insurance company protection act" for very good reasons.  Obama and his liberal supporters should be ashamed.  

ps... the people you speak of as disinformation mobs and far right lunatics are Americans who happen to disagree with you.  Some of them, many of them are democrats. Astroturf comes in both flavors you know.  The Obama mob perfected the sport during last years primaries.
In addition, which version of reform are you talking about?  Do you know the details of the various bills and do you know that many people will be excluded from the public option?  Do you know that medicaid and medicare are going to be cut to finance this mess and that it is going to be grossly expensive and STILL leave insurance companies making obscene profits?  

nice but failed attempt at deflection.

are you saying we are too stupid to scrutinize the bill so we should just trust the people we voted for?  That is exactly how the fringe bush loonies used to think.

found on another web site:

Ron4Hills, on July 31st, 2009 at 1:24 pm Said:

     Thank God the Dems are too chicken sh*t to use there 60 vote majority, if they weren't they would give W2 his crappy health care lobby compromise bill without Republican support and we'd be stuck with it.

     The only chance or medicare for all/single payer is for the Obama sham to fail, by any means necessary. Blue dogs, Black Caucus, craven cowardice, Republican scare tactics. What difference does it make. If BO gets his "little win", game over that's all we get.

WMCB, on July 31st, 2009 at 2:16 pm Said:

           I agree, Ron. This thing needs to go down in flames, regardless. But it would be very nice if it went down with true liberals loudly voicing the RIGHT objections to it - that it's an insurance giveaway coupled with an executive power-grab, melded to an assault on Medicare, that does nothing for the average american.

Ron4Hills, on July 31st, 2009 at 2:38 pm Said:

                 Your analysis is dead on. Which is why I crack up when the erstwhile Bushies cry,"Socialism!" Hell socialism would be better for the working class. What pathetic opposition they are. They don't attack W2's actual short comings, they go after these ridiculous straw men and it leaves them looking ridiculous.

if we get this there is no chance to get real reform.  Obama is a place holder for a real democratic president.  Unfortunately by then he will have lost us the mid terms.  

just plug your ears and sing la la la la

why not just ask the scary person with girl parts on a date and get over her already?

cute, you trying to have a clue

let the rationalization begin.....

gotta go feed the animals and the spousal equivalent.  Be back later.