Open Suggestions to Democratic Courage (Federal PAC)

I like the idea of progressive minded individuals who want to build stable Democratic majorities and want to stop the presidential Auction and inevitability campaign we are undergoing.

In a recent poll only 28% of the public for instance could name John Edwards as a presidential candidate compared to 90% for Hillary.  Clearly the corporate hack pack media is anything but "fair and balanced".

A federal PAC  (NOT a 527 which has no maximum contribution limit) could be one way to even the playing field.  However, here are my suggestions.

http://www.dcourage.com/

1.  Add all the other Democratic candidates' links to your BlogRoll immediately.

2.  Add Hillary is 44 somewhere highlighting it as non-candidate affiliated spending trashing other candidates on behalf of Hillary.  (this might balance out the stories the MSM will run)

3.  Put different variations of potential radio or TV ads on the site and let individuals pick which one they donate to.  (the connection between paying for a particular ad that the reader finds effective would motivate me a lot more than generic giving.

4.  Make it the anti - Hillary is 44 clearing site with stories the MSM corporate hack pack misses or underplays.

5.  Don't be afraid to solicit feedback or feedforward advice on your site for ideas or ads.

6.  Realize that whatever ads you make need to be unconventional, 100% accurate, and likely to garner free media exposure.  Further, don't go too far into the woods.

The first ad I would do would be about Hillary's "if I knew than what I know now" statement with the recent Kyl/Lieberman bill that does not include the word "diplomacy" in the text of the bill.  (only in the findings).  Does she ever learn?  What is it with her and misleading men?

I'd go after Hillary's hedging and hawing her war votes and social security and her polarizing nature and liklihood of costing Democrats seats in congress over time.

Good Luck.

Note: the first YouTube is amusing and is not about Hillary - it's about ann coulter and is funny. The 2nd is a Ron Paul Revolution youtube and third I have no idea. I'm not advocating the 2nd or 3rd Youtubes as ads - they're just out there and some people might find some aspects of them amusing.

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46 Comments

Those are great

What a terrific political mind you have TarHeel.

I hope that this new PAC runs both of those on Iowa TV. The one comparing the Democratic frontrunner to Adolph Hitler. Wow. What can I say. Powerful stuff, there.

I'm sure Iowa voters will respond to those kinds of hard hitting ads.

by hwc 2007-10-24 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Those are great

You know, I've never clicked on those youtubes from Tarheel. Now that I have, I must say that this is the most despicable thing I have seen on this site, and I have seen a lot of those things.  I am ashamed to be sharing the same blog with this individual.  I am ashamed for the progressive blogging community condoning this despicable crap with their silence.

I can now inequivocally state that way too many Edwards supporters on this site are nothing but trolls.  This crap should be banned off this site, and for people like TomP and other assorted Edwards supporters to feign outrage at the "conduct" of some Clinton supporters here while not having a problem with this most despicable smear ever thrown-up onto the net is quite the indictment of ultimate hypocrisy.   If this junk is not met with the strongest of outrages by this community (especially other Edwards supporters) we will know for certain where we are.      

HILLARY CLINTON = ADOLF HITLER  is now the battlecry for Edwards supporters on the progressive blogs?  If that is what sells for EDWARDS SUPPORT around here, no thanks.   Thank GOD that Edwards is so far behind that he lacks any real chance at the nomination, rightfully so.   These "supporters" make liking the guy very, very hard.   The advocation that CLINTON is equal to HITLER is such ridiculous smearing, that it is a massive black eye on this community to have that despicable video displayed on this site.    

Let me now go throw up just THINKING of the "outrage" I have seen expressed by Edwards supporters over the last 4 weeks.  

Shameful, despicable conduct.

by georgep 2007-10-24 05:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Those are great

i'm shocked you are just coming to this realization.

That is why I am never impressed when some on this site want to put all what is wrong on this site on one person , this diariest is why I just laugh when I see such comments.

He makes everyone else look holy in my opinion and nobody blinks an eye yet they want to talk about a particular poster.

The same thing goes for the diariest that just puts up pictures of bloodied kids .

by lori 2007-10-24 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Those are great

Okay. wtf is up with the hilter shit? that's so out of line and stupid and pointless and just plain wrong. the first youtube video about ann coluter was amusing and within bounds. the second one, the hilter and hillary one, was way out of line and the third one is just plain stupid, but I suppose it's just supposed to be funny.

The hitler thing is not on. it's unacceptable and should be removed from the damn diary. you're not doing our guy (or yourself) any favors by posting that here tarheel.

by Quinton 2007-10-24 05:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Those are great

Stunning, isn't it. I recommended this diary just so that everyone could see exactly what we are dealing with here.

by hwc 2007-10-24 06:04PM | 0 recs
OK, she's not Adolph Hitler...

...but ya gotta admit this is damned funny:

<object width="425" height="366"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/OIAE9Sik_SM&amp;rel=1&amp;border=0"&gt;&lt;/param&gt&lt;param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/OIAE9Sik_SM&amp;rel=1&amp;border=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="366"></embed></object>

by horizonr 2007-10-24 06:07PM | 0 recs
Well. hell

Here.

by horizonr 2007-10-24 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Well. hell

With your record, I doubt anyone but an Edwards supporter will click on a link you provide.

"Hey, pull my finger!"  

by FilbertSF 2007-10-24 06:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Those are great

Agreed.

Hillary as Hitler in the second video and Hillary as a baby-eater in the third? Shameful, disgusting filth!

by domma 2007-10-24 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Suggestions to Democratic Courage (Federa

Are you fucking kidding me with that Hitler thing?  Dude, you are sick.

by Steve M 2007-10-24 06:12PM | 0 recs
Tarheel is a fool

Congratulations, Tarheel!  Just when I didn't think you or Edwards supporter could sink any lower, you did.

You have my admiration.

by FilbertSF 2007-10-24 06:38PM | 0 recs
Edwards Support

First I want to say that I find a few of these videos distasteful and disrespectful. I do not in any way support their proliferation.

Maybe we need to call a truce or something. This is really crossing over a line that I am not comfortable with.

This began with the accusations from Hillary Clinton supporters that John Edwards is a Sexist and a Racist.

And now it has come to this.

I recommend that we all take a few deep breaths, maybe go for a long walk and then come back and argue this nomination process out without violating our Democratic core principles.

I understand the revulsion that Hillary Clinton supporters feel for this type of obvious slander. My only desire is that they understand the revulsion John Edwards supporters feel for the obvious slander recently posted against him.

If we can agree that these are places we prefer not to visit again it's possible that a modicum of civility might just take over. It's worth the effort.

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-10-24 07:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

Wow .

You are not so bad after all.

giggle.

by lori 2007-10-24 07:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

I'm sorry, Lori.  I can't agree with you.  I know HillaryLieberman's post history.  

HillaryLieberman is in the same league as Tarheel.

HL's post isn't condemning Tarheel, it's bashing pro-Hillary supporters.  

HL claims that it started with areyouready's comment.  It did not.

It started with Edwards' supporters calling HRC a "corporate whore," and used the same GOP smear tactic.  

It started when Edwards became desperate and started to wrap his campaign with negativity.  He called HRC Bush-lite; and Mudcat calling Mark Penn, Hillary's Karl Rove.  So many things said I can't remember all of it.

areyouready's diaries and posts are in reaction to months of vitriolic posts by Edwards' supporters and by Edwards himself.

Many a times, I find myself wanting to punch back like AYR.  I understand the frustration.

Can any Hillary supporter find me a link where Hillary has gone after Edwards or Obama in the same way they have gone after her?

by FilbertSF 2007-10-24 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

yeah i have seen a lot of his/her posts and you have a point but at least I give credit for him/her seeing how despicable the video is and calling for a hold on this type of attacks.

by lori 2007-10-24 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

Thank you. A shame others will not join to put a halt to this.

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-10-25 05:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

Look, "corporate whore" is hardly civil, but it's standard political rhetoric in this kind of forum.  I mean, lots of people think the Democrats are too corporatist as a party.

Accusations of racism and comparisons to Hitler are in a completely different league.

by Steve M 2007-10-24 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

Steve, you know that's not all that has been said about her here.

Look.  Facts are facts.  If I can put all the comments made by Hillary supporters in one column and comments made by Edwards' and Obama's supporters on another column, side-by-side, it would be astonishing how vitriolic the anti-Hillary can be.  And we're all Democrats!!

Their comments are in the same mode as those made those in Free Republic or by Rush Limbaugh.  I've even read suggestions that Hillary killed Vince Foster!

Like I said, there's been so many vitriolic things said by Edwards, his campaign and his supporters that I can't remember everything.

"Corporate whore" is a relatively minor ad hominem attack compared to others.

And if you think I'm exaggerating, I suggest you read HillaryLieberman, Tarheels, framecop, and rssrai's post history for reference.  

I'm not here to defend areyouready.  But I do understand his frustration.  If every day your candidate's view and positions are distorted and her character attacked, you'd lash out, too.

by FilbertSF 2007-10-24 08:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

Oh, of course I agree.  But areyouready is not a mild-mannered soul who has been driven to frustration by uncivil attacks.  He brings as high a volume of nastiness to this site as anyone.

I think we can all agree that comparisons to Hitler are completely unacceptable and it really makes no difference who "started it."

by Steve M 2007-10-24 09:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

..it would be astonishing how vitriolic the anti-Hillary can be.  And we're all Democrats!!

I don't believe "we're all Democrats" here -- that's why there is so much vitriol.

Their comments are in the same mode as those made those in Free Republic or by Rush Limbaugh.

Exactly. This place is overrun with freeper trolls who are trashing Democratic candidates because they're afraid to run against them. They're playing that Republican divide-and-conquer game and any real Democrats shouldn't fall into this trap. That's how we end up losing elections.

by LakersFan 2007-10-25 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

I have to agree now, Lakersfan.  It was always rather strange to see Tarheel use primarily right-wing sources and wax about what "Limbaugh said today," but this nonchalant use of the most vitriolic hate crap I have seen on here makes a very strong case that he is not a Democrat by any means.  I can't imagine any Democrat worthy of that name using something vile like that against the frontrunner of his own party.  It makes no sense.  The logic you advanced here makes a ot more sense.  During the 2006 mid-terms I used to troll on Freerepublic and Redstate, just to egg those folks on with concern trolling by showing them with poll after poll exactly how much trouble their party is in, and went undetected for a while until both sides' admins figured it out.  I am sure a GOP concern troll focusing exclusively on Hillary Clinton negatives and chiming into the existing antipathy of some of the progressive bloggers can go undetected and "survive" for quite some time, at least until the nomination is over.      

by georgep 2007-10-25 12:03PM | 0 recs
areyouready

is the only confessed non-Democrat ..

and he likes Hillary,  maybe he's Krauthammer or brooks or broder

by TarHeel 2007-10-25 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: areyouready

I noticed your deliberate use of the term "confessed" non-Democrat.

Sounds like you agree that there are plenty of non-confessed trolls in our midst.

by LakersFan 2007-10-25 03:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

I have to disagree with you here, Steve.  

Accusations of racism or sexism or reverse-racism or reverse-sexism or whiteism are certainly not desireable, but you will get them pop up every now and then, from all sides of the equation.  

  That does not come even close to rising to the filth on display here (and we have seen some things in similar veins from horizonr, DerekLarsson, and a few others.)  I don't think you are doing this particular smear enough disdain justice by putting these two things together.   THIS is the kind of filth that could get us national attention as a crazy site that spreads the most vile anti-Hillary crap imaginable.  Remember the O'Reilly-Dkos flareup?  He read on the air some of the more vile Hillary-hate posts he had saved from dailykos.  Those were mild to a visual video comparing her to Adolf Hitler Nazis.  Imagine him showing "what the left blogosphere thinks of Hillary Clinton" and making his case using MyDD as a shining example.    It can't get any more vile than this without breaking all kinds of obscenity laws.  

by georgep 2007-10-25 04:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

should hav been:  "Those were mild compared to a visual video..."

by georgep 2007-10-25 04:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

I find it troubling that rather then accept the hand of a truce you prefer to exploit this for political gain as you see it. Well, at least I tried. You didn't.

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-10-25 05:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

If you were 100% serious, you would change your user id to something else.   If you are truly serious in this case, I have no problem with you personally.  I was discussing this issue with someone else, did not mention you by name.  Others have not been as forthcoming as you have been with an expression of disdain for this attack, which should give you pause as well.  Where are those who are usually first in line with condemnation?   Let them show balance by condemning stuff like this from their own ranks.   I commend those who have done so (like SteveM, you, Quinton) but the more vocal posters are nowhere, and if there was ever an issue all of us should strongly push back against, it is this vile crap.  

by georgep 2007-10-25 05:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

I am not going to change my name. A person can't do that here anyway. And I do understand your frustration with those that have not come forth and condemned this type of material. But I am just one person. I am not in league with anyone else. And I am just trying to stop some of the most vicious attacking here. Racism and Sexism and Homophobia are not traits that Democrats perpetuate. We are the party of inclusion that has worked hard to overcome these horrendous divisive issues of separation and discrimination. So as a lone Democrat I am asking for a cease fire from all sides. We can go at this without resorting to the in the mud disrespectful and anti-Democratic stuff that has been coming from all sides. ALL SIDES.

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-10-25 05:44AM | 0 recs
...asdf

just because she voted for Lieberman/Kyl and her husband campaigned in person for Lieberman in CT.  doesn't mean they think a like right?

by TarHeel 2007-10-25 10:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

Believe me, labeling candidates as racist can very easily be picked up by the national media.  Of course they pop up every now and again; that's why I wrote a whole diary decrying the practice.  They are 100% unacceptable just like the disgusting filth in this diary.

by Steve M 2007-10-25 05:52AM | 0 recs
WTF?

That does not come even close to rising to the filth on display here (and we
have seen some things in similar veins from horizonr, DerekLarsson, and
a few others.)

Like I said, WTF?

by horizonr 2007-10-25 08:06AM | 0 recs
Flame bait

I recommend that someone make this diary go away. Like you, I am disgusted  by all personal attacks against a candidate. This diary disgusts me.

However, someone calls Hillary a corporate whore and bush lite, and you are so offended, you troll the site? Surely you know that this argument is childish and lacks merit. Who are you, Filbert, some kind of nut?

by misscee 2007-10-24 10:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Support

Look. I tried to make peace with you and Hillary supporters in general. I came out against what to me was/is something totally over the line only to be met with more hated. I made the offer for a truce and rather than accept it you chose to perpetuate this offensive onslaught of smearing candidates and their supporters.

You give new meaning to the phrase "Hillary haters."

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-10-25 04:59AM | 0 recs
Typical of Hillary haters

One would think that Hillary haters from both the right and the left would realize that over the top vitriole against Hillary is NOT a winning strategy. Moderate people get turned off by the hatred and will just start tuning you out and not taking seriously ANYTHING that you do say.

Oh, well, your outrageous attacks against Hillary isn't anything new that her campaign hasn't seen before. While your candidate and Obama focuses on dragging Hillary down in the next few weeks at the exclusion of everything else, Hillary will continue to focus on a positive agenda. That's how she's going to win by the way. She's going to answer the question that is on most voter's minds "why should I vote for you? what's in it for me?"

So continue on with the vitriole. I don't think it does your candidate any favors. Which is why I hope you continue wasting your time and alienating even more posters here at mydd with this garbage....  

by ademption 2007-10-24 07:44PM | 0 recs
Absolutely disgusting.

You should be ashamed of yourself.  I hope desmoinesdem will put you in your place.

by bookgrl 2007-10-24 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re:

Last night and this morning I have seen posters who come across as "outraged" quite a bit on this site write posts in other diaries, even attacking posters who express outrage about this vile video, but they are strangely silent when it comes to condemning the display of this Hillary/Hitler video on MyDD.   Why should anyone listen to them complaining in the future, when they can't condemn filth like this?   Yes, I am specifically referring to the posters Vox Populi, jeremiahthemessiah, and TomP.  I usually don't call people out by name, but in this case, I must.   I am personally tired of the hypocrisy that is on full display here.  If they can't condemn stuff like this, then why should anyone listen when they complain about Clinton supporters?

by georgep 2007-10-25 04:13AM | 0 recs
the Hitler video is a ron paul produced

youtube at the end it says Ron Paul Revolution and there is a  website..

so I'm not sure what you're outraged at that it exists and is produced by  a self proclaimed ron paul supporter with a corresponding website OR if you're outraged that I would show you what's out there in Youtube land.

by TarHeel 2007-10-25 04:18AM | 0 recs
Re: the Hitler video is a ron paul produced

You are peddling filth here.  Absolute filth.  You should be ashamed of yourself, but I am sure you are not, so this is just a waste telling you this:

 I don't CARE if it "exists" out there.  A LOT of things exist.  If you go to the Aryan Brotherhood or KKK websites I am sure you'll find some videos you may like you can link to here as well.     You are sick for peddling this filth here.   Period.  

by georgep 2007-10-25 04:44AM | 0 recs
what do you think

of Hillary peddling the haircut expense to Politico?

by TarHeel 2007-10-25 04:50AM | 0 recs
Re: what do you think

That is ALL you can say?   You are peddling vile FILTH, tarheel.    Please be so kind and respond to that instead of trying to divert the issue.

  I am curious what you are going to do when Hillary wins the nomination.   Work feverishly with the GOP to undermine her candidacy?  Or will you just say "Well, that Hitler-Uberfuhrer thing was all in good fun, just normal, healthy banter in a primary"?  

You have for a while now gone down this road to partner with the right-wing for your material.  Shameless to bring it to a progressive site.   This VILE FILTH does not belong here, and your flimsy excuse that you are just showing us what is out there in Youtubeland holds no water.  Not on a progressive site.

by georgep 2007-10-25 05:12AM | 0 recs
areyouready is not even a democrat

so  I'm not too embarassed

by TarHeel 2007-10-25 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: the Hitler video is a ron paul produced

I understand that you didn't create this crap. But in the interests of peace can you please step back just a little so that the possibility of a restoration of civility from all sides may prevail?

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-10-25 05:18AM | 0 recs
Re:

The whole purpose of a truce is to cease fire and allow for cooler heads to prevail. It would be nice if perhaps you took the offer rather than perpetuate more hatred. Seriously, we have exchanged some harsh words here but in the end we belong to the same party. I am asking for a cease fire so that perhaps we can end this hatred from all sides. Calling out people by name only perpetuates this cycle. Will you please join with me in trying to chill things out?

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-10-25 05:16AM | 0 recs
Re:

Seriously, how about you start by changing your offensive user id and tagline and making it into something positive for your candidate?   It starts with that type of stuff.  You don't see my username "Edwards_BreckGirl" or "Obama_empty_suit," which obviously would not lend itself to any type of reasonable discourse.  I don't even use deragotory taglines, and, when areyouready had one himself (I believe it was something alongst the lines of "Over 50% won't vote for Edwards") we (several Clinton supporters) asked him to remove the offensive tagline and replace it with a pro-Clinton one, and he heeded that request.   Why won't you join the rest of this community in shedding both the offensive user id and tagline to perpetuate a truce that lasts beyond just a couple of hours?  

by georgep 2007-10-25 05:31AM | 0 recs
What's in a name?

Whatever my name is or my tag line is really doesn't matter. I really don't care what anyone else calls their self here. I might not like it but they have the right to present their image as they like. I am particularly troubled by Hillary Clinton's agreement with Joe Lieberman on Iraq and Iran. It isn't just something that bothers me a little bit. I bothers me immensely. And it is the main reason I do not and will not support her. My name and sig line are my protest of her association with ANYTHING Lieberman. Consider it my one finger salute to their association.

But this is not about the candidates that come and go. It is about our very Democratic party and what we will allow ourselves to do. There are some lines that should not be crossed and I am pointing out very clearly that we are in line crossing territory all the way around. And that for the sake of our party we should probably take a few chill pills.

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-10-25 05:53AM | 0 recs
Missing the point of &quot;Hitler&quot;

I don't care for the Hitler video, I just think a too-literal reading of it misses the point of what it's trying to do.

Images and footage of Hitler now have been presented so many times in so many different contexts, and thus
are so deeply embedded in the public consciousness that the images themselves -- independent of the historical
figure of Hitler -- have taken on a life of their own, as iconic representations of the mythic controlling leader who
demands -- and receives -- from his or her followers blind acceptance, subservience, obedience, and worship.

It is this idea that the video is trying -- rather hamfistedly -- to tap into. This same idea is used with much greater
discipline -- and to much more pointed and eloquent effect -- in the 1984 ad and in the film version of The Wizard
of Oz, the obvious reference for the outsized head of Hillary Clinton in that ad.

One can criticize the Hitler video for perpetuating the endless cascade of Hitler images with which we've been
inundated for the last 70 years -- each of which serves to make us forget just a little more of who Hitler was and
what he did.

But I don't believe the author of the video -- or TarHeel, for that matter -- is pushing a literal connection between
Hitler and Hillary.

I see the Hitler aspect of the video more as a cautionary reminder to beware of leaders who assert their power
seductively, i.e., who seek to perpetuate and extend their power by using that power in a way that manipulates
the frequent human tendency to want to bask in its "reflected glory."

The danger is obvious: The more powerful this kind of leader, the more likely that those who are drawn to power
for its own sake -- and there are many -- will fall under the spell of said leader, eventually losing themselves and
defaulting on their right and responsibility of self-determination.

There is only one candidate, on either side, who has anything like this kind of power -- who has so much power,
in fact, that power itself is a discrete part of the sell: Hillary Clinton. Is she using this power manipulatively, as a
tool of seduction? There is no better or more merciless message control operation anywhere.

And power is the great aphrodisiac. We're seeing this in the cascade of official endorsements of Clinton. We're
seeing it in drumbeat of inevitability, which -- whether or not that precise word is used -- is being pounded both
by the so-called "mainstream media" and by her supporters.

For weeks now, Hillary Clinton's footsoldiers on this site have been telling those of us who support other candidates:
"Why are you even wasting your energy on that? Why resist a candidate who has built up this much 'support' in the
polls? And even if you don't especially like her, you have to support her anyway, for the good of the Party. Are you
a good Democrat or not?"

I repeat: The connection between how Hitler acquired and used power and how Hillary acquires and uses it is
not literal. Not even close.

But it is evocative -- and it's an evocation I don't care for.

by horizonr 2007-10-25 01:20PM | 0 recs

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