Need National Unsubscribe Movement from Obama's OFA to Protest his Healthcare Flip-Flop

I can't tell you how disappointed I am from a policy standpoint, a political standpoint, and a personal standpoint on Obama's decision to Sista Souljah his only dependable supporters.  The best the whitehouse can possibly hope for is Sista Souljah, the worst is political suicide.

What really pissed me off is that the whitehouse never rebuts any stupid Dems like the blue dogs or blanch lincoln today who claim they can't support a public option because it costs too much.  In fact according the to CBO the public option in the House cuts costs to taxpayers by 15%.

I am officially a supporter no more.  I unsubscribed from whitehouse.gov a couple weeks ago and today unsubscribed from OFA.
I left a note explaining exactly why (in the unsubscribe box) and also called my states field director.  She said the state field directors do get to talk to the whitehouse and she appreciated my call.  I'd urge you to unsubscribe and call your state field director's phone number.  I found mine's by google...

http://my.barackobama.com/page/unsubscri be

Rather than re-hashing all the ways that this stinks, I will post prominent bloggers thoughts on this and remind everyone that Obama campaigned for a "public plan" and against "mandates".  Now we are getting the worst of both..

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9 2/775656-The-problem-with-triangulatio n

The problem with triangulation
by Jed Lewison

The thing they need to be careful of is that when you triangulate, you don't want to do it with the least popular position of all -- individual mandates without a serious cost-control mechanism. And you especially don't want to do it when that position is the exact opposite -- on both counts -- of your position during a campaign that you won by a wide margin.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/ 09/if-public-option-isnt-dead-why-is-axe lrod-referring-to-its-spirit.php?ref=fpa

The Obama administration is sending out its strongest signs yet that it's willing to scrap a public option in order to move a health care bill forward. White House adviser David Axelrod tells ABC News that what remains of Obama's desire for a public option is largely theoretical. "The spirit that led him to support a public option is still very much at play here and so you know he wants competition. He wants choice."

Here's an important point that the field director had no answer for...

http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009 09/02/white-house-admits-the-public-opt ion-is-gone-will-sistah-soulja-the-left

The White House is making the calculation that the hit they suffer when they drop the public plan is only with the "far left," that they can survive that and actually use it to their advantage by triangulating against "the blogs."

It's just a guess, but when average Americans understand that "health care reform" means they will be forced to pay Blue Cross more money than they do now for worse insurance or be fined 2.5% of their income, I have a feeling it's not just going to be a couple of radical lefties who are pissed off about what amounts to an increase in middle class taxes. Unfortunately, since all the liberal interest groups ceded the bank bailout debate to the teabaggers and there was no pushback against the White House's decision to coddle AIG, the right owns that particular real estate and will be well poised to make the most of it.

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I asked the field director

why should I go drive to raleigh for one of their events when I do not support what Obama's trying to sell?

by TarHeel 2009-09-02 12:03PM | 0 recs
Re: National Unsubscribe Movement

I'm trying to imagine what the world would be like if progressives spent half the time trying to get good legislation that they spend working on the frowning of a lifetime.

We had a good couple of months there when Republicans were the ones doing this.  Then they decided to start demonstrating and found the field wide open.

by Jess81 2009-09-02 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: National Unsubscribe Movement

Love the phrase

the frowning of a lifetime.

But from everything Tarheel says about healthcare reform - the reference to 'true believers' and now the mealy mouthed 'Obama's decision Sista Souljah his only dependable supporters' - he/she is not that interested in healthcare reform. The whole issue is a just a stick to beat other democrats with.

When in doubt, attack and corral your own: at least you know where they live.

by brit 2009-09-02 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: National Unsubscribe Movement

They're also considerably less likely to be packing heat.

by Jess81 2009-09-02 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Unsubscribe

Prove to us that you can.

by QTG 2009-09-02 01:05PM | 0 recs
I already did

that web page address had what i posted above followed by forward slash and my email address

by TarHeel 2009-09-02 05:07PM | 0 recs
Re: I already did

 I meant something more along the lines of an action we could witness first hand.

by QTG 2009-09-02 05:16PM | 0 recs
question for you

answer the question in the diary.

why is mandating people buy private insurance under penalty of a tax

1) good politics

2)going to lower premiums in the future

by TarHeel 2009-09-02 06:04PM | 0 recs
Re: question for you

You are asking for a reasoned response from a sycophant...good luck with that.

by tarheel74 2009-09-02 06:32PM | 0 recs
Re: question for you

Are you tarheels arguing that someone could, if they just had the gumption, provide FREE medical coverage to everyone, make all private insurance companies disappear, make every doctor change the way they practice medicine, and all manner of imaginary magical healthiness fall like a lovely Spring rain upon our poor suffering heads?
Are you saying that Obama could, if he was really a Progressive, force every politician with a D after his/her name through threat or other means to do your magical bidding?

If so, then I can't argue with you (singular or plural as appropriate).

by QTG 2009-09-02 06:53PM | 0 recs
Re: question for you

uprated for the weak rating by fogiv.

by TxDem08 2009-09-04 11:09AM | 0 recs
Re: question for you

it was downrated for the 'sycophant' ad hominem.  Deservedly so.  

by fogiv 2009-09-05 10:27AM | 0 recs
Let me get this straight...

...you're urging people to unsubscribe from Organizing For America because you've heard what amounts to rumors that you might not get everything you wanted from the eventual health care bill?

I don't buy it.  Nobody who really believes in something folds this easily.  If you were ever a part of OFA, I can't imagine that you ever did any useful work, because you must've quit as soon as you hit any snag at all.  Or heard about a snag.  Or thought there might eventually be one.

I'm not buying what YOU are selling.

by Dracomicron 2009-09-02 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Let me get this straight...

This would be a good action to take following Obama's upcoming speech, or at such time as it's clear what he is actually going to do.

While I'm mad as hell when it comes to these trial balloons/lack of control of the White House message, I'm waiting to hear what Obama ACTUALLY has to say. I don't give one shit about some nameless, rankless "White House Official."

Axelrod has been a little low-quality lately though. And I'm still pissed we haven't had clearer, stronger leadership out of the WH.

by surfbird007 2009-09-04 10:59AM | 0 recs
Of course

If Obama had been leading on the issue all along, he would be accused of trying to steamroll his agenda through.  While the right wing was going to take offense anyway, by letting congress try to lead first means he can say that he at least tried to get them to do the right thing before pressing his agenda.

I think it's been all pretty solidly planned so far.

by Dracomicron 2009-09-04 12:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Of course

In a world where the President is being accused of trying to indoctrinate little kids with a Marxist agenda, I really don't understand why anyone in the White House should care about inoculating themselves against a completely harmless, process-based attack like that.

I mean, you're suggesting that Obama has altered his legislative strategy merely to give himself a marginally better response to a talking point that no one will care about anyway.  (I want to meet the voter who says, "I used to like Obama, but now I'm voting against him because I didn't like the way he tried to strong-arm Congress by writing his own bill."  The only people who care about process can be found on blogs and even those people are mostly just rationalizers.  ("Even if we don't get health care reform, I'm glad Obama respects the Constitution enough to acknowledge the prerogatives of a co-equal branch of government.")

I seriously hope you're right that this is all kabuki, one big game of rope-a-dope before he gets all "now you've made Hulk mad," but I really really have my doubts.  As always, I will agree to wait and see, but you better apologize if I end up not getting my Public Option Pony.

by Steve M 2009-09-04 01:35PM | 0 recs
Actually

I heard many people say that about Bush, that they didn't like the way he shoved or try to shove his agenda through Congress.

by DTOzone 2009-09-04 02:48PM | 0 recs
It's true

Bush used all sorts of tricks, including extending legislative sessions into congress's specified vacation time, to force them to do his bidding.  It was particularly loathesome when he used it to give telecom immunity in the FISA bill.

I'd rather not see Obama pulling that sort of stunt.

by Dracomicron 2009-09-08 07:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Let me get this straight...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32672703/ns/ politics-health_care_reform/

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/090 9/26751.html

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/ 09/with-reform-in-jeoparty-and-progressi ves-restless-obama-weighs-his-options.ph p?ref=fpa

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washin gton/articles/2009/09/04/obama_to_stress _common_ground_in_health_speech/

And this is what they're gonna scare ya with:

The White House is preparing to rally wavering Democrats on health care by invoking a bitter memory most in the party would rather forget: Bill Clinton's failed health reform effort in the 1990s.

White House officials are warning fellow Democrats that the party lost Congress in 1994 not by trying to do too much on Clinton-style health care but by failing to get any reforms done at all - drawing a parallel to the dangers of inaction this year.

So, we're gonna get forced insurance, w/ no public option, no tied to medicare rates, no or compromised policy cancellation, and now there are triggers being mentioned and etc., etc., etc.

At this point...NOTHING is better than a aborted, hatched, piece-meal SOMETHING that is far worse than the hell hole we have now.

I'm saying this now.  If he gives up the public option, or okays some sort of trigger phase-in, and allows policy cancellations...I WILL WORK TO DEFEAT WHAT COMES UP.

by TxDem08 2009-09-04 11:29AM | 0 recs
More hand-wringing

Let's actually listen to what he has to say before flipping out, shall we?

by Dracomicron 2009-09-04 12:26PM | 0 recs
Look who you're talking to

by DTOzone 2009-09-04 12:37PM | 0 recs
Yeah I know

Things have gotten pretty sketchy around here, I know.

by Dracomicron 2009-09-04 12:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Look who you're talking to

Ah yes, the pot calling the kettle I see?  Like you're the bastion of rationale and mediation.

Too funny.

by TxDem08 2009-09-04 03:21PM | 0 recs
Re: More hand-wringing

Sure that wouldn't be a problem if I already didn't have experiences with Obama on:

Domestic Wiretaping
DOMA
Secrecy-and it's about time he opened up the visitor books
Lobbyists
Cuts for Seniors
Tax cuts for companies that add jobs

SIGNING STATEMENTS

And now

HEALTH CARE

So, as I said, I'll wait till he speaks, but I'll do what I said if he cuts the PO or puts in triggers.  But I don't expect to have to wait long, and I'm not holding my breath either.

by TxDem08 2009-09-04 03:20PM | 0 recs
See now

I would be willing to bet my entire unemployment balance that if this was President Hillary Clinton doing those things, you'd be defending her as a "smart pragmatist"

see the problem with people like you is credibility. Most of us saw what happened here last year.

You want credibility, start with a new handle, so we don't know who you are.

by DTOzone 2009-09-04 04:14PM | 0 recs
I preferred obama

over hillary, and I would slam anyone who wants to mandate people buy private insurance with no other choices.

It's phillosphically like privatizing medicare

by TarHeel 2009-09-05 05:42AM | 0 recs
Re: See now

And you would lose.  If she was doing the same, I would be railing against her as well.  Because the difference between you and me is that just because I vote for one doesn't mean I have to drink the kool-aid or sacrifice at their alter in order to make myself feel better about it.  I unlike you have a base with which I can make my own decisions, and not wait for the talking points.

The problem with people 'like you' is the farcical nature with which people are righteous and not or have credibility with which I guess your the head czar for credibility or something, and yet have no credibility or ability to rail on anything other than 'you have no credibility'.

Most of us, saw what happened here last year, I agree, and some of us are using blanket statements with which to attack those who don't subscribe to their 'religion' and label them as not having credibility.

The way I know you are not a real Democrat is the why you so flippantly use the 'with us or against us' meme ala Bush for your own personal vendetta when you have nothing else to base your hysteria upon.

Now that we have that established, why don't you stick you head back in the sand, quit trying to play the credibility czar b/c you my friend have no business in that game.

by TxDem08 2009-09-05 09:00AM | 0 recs
You've been punked and don't recognize it?

Time to primary Barry

by martinlomasney 2009-09-06 11:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Let me get this straight...

Actually though, its not the progressive Democrats that would get scared by that, but the Blue Dogs. Now, the progressive Dems have power and they would lose that in the minority, but the ones that would get scared here (who should be the target) is the Blue Dogs.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-09-05 06:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Need National Unsubscribe Movement

Was expecting this.  Still do not approve.

by Endymion 2009-09-02 03:03PM | 0 recs
Unsubscribe?

You could also try holding your breath.  Just a thought.

by fogiv 2009-09-02 04:27PM | 0 recs
I am no longer a supporter of Obama either

His incompetence and lies on healthcare is the LAST straw for me.  We need to start looking for a 2012 primary challenger to him.  

by Kent 2009-09-02 04:49PM | 0 recs
Re: What was the

FIRST straw, if I might ask?

by QTG 2009-09-02 05:19PM | 0 recs
bank bailout

instead of wiping out shareholders ala Krugman, Roubini and stiglitz's suggestions was the first major schism with liberals..

adding more troops to afghanistan soon to be another.

his own admin arguing homosexuality is equivalent to  
beastiality

etc....

by TarHeel 2009-09-02 06:03PM | 0 recs
Re: What was the

SECOND straw, if I might ask?

by QTG 2009-09-02 06:39PM | 0 recs
Re: What was the

For me it was his poor handling of the stimulus debate and nearly losing the whole thing.  

by Kent 2009-09-02 06:33PM | 0 recs
Re: What was the

NEXT straw, if I might ask?

by QTG 2009-09-02 06:40PM | 0 recs
Have you not been paying attention or just need to

muck out the whole stall?

by martinlomasney 2009-09-06 11:01AM | 0 recs
Upstate Dems Front Yard

He's really into straw.

by WashStateBlue 2009-09-04 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Need National Unsubscribe Movement

Why the big surprise? You are talking about a guy who made a career of voting "PRESENT" tough issues so he didn't get sullied. What? You expected him to be a stand-up guy?

The golden rule of politics. Never pay attention to the lies they tell on the campaign trail. Always look at what they have done. What's their record of accomplismeht?

by hwc 2009-09-02 06:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Need National Unsubscribe Movement

What do you have against Planned Parenthood?

by Jess81 2009-09-02 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Need National Unsubscribe Movement

Why, for the love of God, waste your time swapping talking points again?

by Steve M 2009-09-02 07:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Need National Unsubscribe Movement

I have a perhaps not very healthy "fight fire with fire" knee-jerk reaction to these sorts of things.

by Jess81 2009-09-03 05:14PM | 0 recs
B I N G O!!!!! That's my main reason why

I  could not support him. A man of words but of no actions especially when it was about saving a woman's life!

by suzieg 2009-09-02 10:21PM | 0 recs
Alright, My favorite Lemming Returns

Always a gas to see your inane posts, SuzieG, don't be such a stranger...

by WashStateBlue 2009-09-04 07:40AM | 0 recs
by Dracomicron 2009-09-04 12:39PM | 0 recs
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by QTG 2009-09-03 05:06AM | 0 recs
Re:

Oooh Oooh Mr. Carter!  Mr. Carter!

Perhaps you should be worrying more about those who have no response other than...just wait and see...it will be fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3rip SM

by TxDem08 2009-09-04 11:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Wait and see, everything will be fine

 I've been saying that non-stop since the Primary Wars. I'm batting 1000.

by QTG 2009-09-04 04:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Wait and see, everything will be fine

How's that domestic wiretapping working for ya?  Or that secrecy?  Or those tax-cuts?

And the health-care that was painstakingly and somewhat begrudgingly promised and is now being yanked out from under ya?

Don't worry...everything will be fine.  As long as you've got the money or a job to pay for it.  No worries.

Sucker.

by TxDem08 2009-09-05 09:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Wait and see, everything will be fine

I'm sorta pleased with the non-Depression thingy. I'm glad that the fringes are whirling dervishes.

If you want to discuss failed Health care reform, we can discuss it, but REAL failed Health Care reform goes back a few years, and involves another cast of characters.

A discussion of future failures and future successes can wait.

by QTG 2009-09-05 10:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Wait and see, everything will be fine

Ah, so you're waiting until the Titanic is completely underwater before asking the captain to watch out for ice-bergs.  I see.  Well, enjoy the music of the orchestra while you're waiting, I hear they play musical chairs like all get out.

In the mean time here is some lite reading for you to digest...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090909/ap_o n_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_overhaul

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., told reporters a Medicare-like plan for middle-class Americans and their families isn't an essential part of legislation for him. Hoyer's comments came shortly after a key Democratic moderate said he could no longer back a bill that includes a new government plan.

Prospects for a government-run plan to compete with private insurers sank as a leading moderate Democrat, Sen. Max Baucus of Montana, said he could no longer support the idea.

Baucus is calling for nonprofit co-ops to compete in the marketplace instead of a public plan.

In what appeared to be a sign of tension, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs pointedly noted that the administration had not received a copy of the plan before it leaked to lobbyists and news media Tuesday.

Obama's wedded to Baucus...Baucus is giving him and has been for a while the big F U w/ a grin.

Talk about failure...sonny boy...YOU ARE WATCHING FAILURE ON A MASSIVE SCALE.  Right before your eyes.

by TxDem08 2009-09-08 06:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Need National Unsubscribe

I'm also frustrated.  But I'm also painfully aware from personal experience that it is very hard to deliver on promises when in office.  I have no doubt he'd give us single payer if he thought he could get it.  It's about the politics of the possible.

He should have drafted his own legislation long ago, and he should have invited single payer into the debate so the PO would look like the compromise.  He messed up.  But we do need to get something, some foot in the door.  A public option with a trigger is better than no public option at all.

by Drummond 2009-09-04 02:43PM | 0 recs
Depends on the triggers?

Who is writing them? Enzi? Grassley?

How are the measured, because numbers can be spoofed, who is measuring them, are they submitted data from the insurance companies, or measured by a industry friendly new admin?

Can they be challenged in court?

This is a weasel, and a weak one.

A delay, THEN triggers.

This is all they want anyway, they know the whole ball of wax collapses when the majority of American business throws it's workers off of company supported health care.

The millenials are going to vote in Medicare for all, but it will be very different and down the road 10-15 years.

This is a stall and a great victory for Health South and the rest of the them.

by WashStateBlue 2009-09-04 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Depends on the triggers?

You have to get what you can.  And if the blue dogs and other conservative democrats won't vote for a public option without triggers, then I'd rather have something than nothing.

Personally, I think the public option is a lame alternative to single payer, which is a lame alternative to real social medicine.  But you start with what you can get and you work from there.

by Drummond 2009-09-04 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Need National Unsubscribe

Please tell me when should you activate the "trigger"? Say when there are nearly 50 million uninsured? when the premiums are rising every year? when the economy is so bad that 14000 people are losing their insurance everyday? Do these events qualify as a trigger? The trigger is a joke, reminds me of the song " when i feel my finger on your trigger/I know nobody can do me no harm". Makes a nice punchline, beyond that it's nothing.

by tarheel74 2009-09-04 07:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Need National Unsubscribe Movement

I don't want a trigger, but if I'm stuck with one I'd suggest a trigger of a certain number of complaints about abuses or violations deemed legitimate.  They get 100 in each state in one year.  After that, the public option comes into effect permanently.

by Drummond 2009-09-04 08:01PM | 0 recs
Re: TRIGGERS

Bruce Webb contributed and excellent Diary on Triggers http://www.mydd.com/story/2009/9/3/15139 /59417 , which has gotten 3 comments.

If what you imagine about triggers upsets you so much, then perhaps you should do yourself a favor and find out what the reality is.

When we are graced with a good diary, like Bruce Webb's, it is followed by the sound of crickets. There's a lesson in that, but actually learning something isn't valued here like it ought to be, imo.

Trigger? Why should Roy Roger's stuffed horse have a say in who gets FREE medical care???!!!

by QTG 2009-09-05 03:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Triggers?

Triggers?  We don't need no stinkin' triggers!

by TxDem08 2009-09-08 06:28PM | 0 recs
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