Edwards: Obama "wearing Rose-colored Glasses"; Krugman nails Obama again

Obama really does think that the free media ride he's been given so far will carry over to the general.  Edwards is drawing the contrast with Obama on who has the fight to take on the multinationals and their lobbyists who write the laws against the benefit of most Americans.

Yesterday when asked about whether Obama would swear off 527 support in the general he would not answer the question but hoped the Republicans would play nice.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/12/23/ politics/fromtheroad/entry3643326.shtml

He was asked if he would accept support from 527s if he was the nominee but Obama did not give a definitive answer. He said he hopes to get Republicans to come up with an agreement on how to operate.

Now an Edwards spokesman is responding with the obvious.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articl es/2007/12/24/in_shifting_race_edwards_a ims_for_the_gut/?page=full

"He's wearing rose-colored glasses," Jonathan Prince, Edwards's deputy campaign manager, said of Obama. "It's nice in theory that you think you can get everyone to come together, but it doesn't work that way."

I personally don't think that Obama's charm is going to cause Cigna to give up profits or Exxon Mobil to start using only renewable energy.

Edwards, a onetime courtroom lawyer, portrayed Obama, a former constitutional law professor, as cool and abstract in his thinking. "From my perspective, this is not an academic or a philosophical question," Edwards said. "This is about who has the toughness and fight to take on corporate greed and win."

It was a new front between two candidates who had previously kept their quarrels quiet. "The differences between Senator Clinton and myself are much more dramatic than the differences between Senator Obama and myself," Edwards said in early November, when both were trailing Clinton by significant poll margins in Iowa and nationally.

It may in fact have been Clinton who first highlighted the stylistic difference between her two rivals, when she said at a recent debate in Des Moines that "you can't demand change, you can't hope for change, you have to work hard to make change, and that's what I've done."

Krugman takes on Obama for bashing labor unions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/24/opinio n/24krugman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Once upon a time, back when America had a strong middle class, it also had a strong union movement.

These two facts were connected. Unions negotiated good wages and benefits for their workers, gains that often ended up being matched even by nonunion employers. They also provided an important counterbalance to the political influence of corporations and the economic elite.

....

It's often assumed that the U.S. labor movement died a natural death, that it was made obsolete by globalization and technological change. But what really happened is that beginning in the 1970s, corporate America, which had previously had a largely cooperative relationship with unions, in effect declared war on organized labor.

Don't take my word for it; read Business Week, which published an article in 2002 titled "How Wal-Mart Keeps Unions at Bay." The article explained that "over the past two decades, Corporate America has perfected its ability to fend off labor groups." It then described the tactics -- some legal, some illegal, all involving a healthy dose of intimidation -- that Wal-Mart and other giant firms use to block organizing drives.

These hardball tactics have been enabled by a political environment that has been deeply hostile to organized labor, both because politicians favored employers' interests and because conservatives sought to weaken the Democratic Party. "We're going to crush labor as a political entity," Grover Norquist, the anti-tax activist, once declared.

But the times may be changing. A newly energized progressive movement seems to be on the ascendant, and unions are a key part of that movement. Most notably, the Service Employees International Union has played a key role in pushing for health care reform. And unions will be an important force in the Democrats' favor in next year's election.

But Barack Obama, though he has a solid pro-labor voting record, has not -- in part, perhaps, because his message of "a new kind of politics" that will transcend bitter partisanship doesn't make much sense to union leaders who know, from the experience of confronting corporations and their political allies head on, that partisanship isn't going away anytime soon.

O.K., that's politics. But now Mr. Obama has lashed out at Mr. Edwards because two 527s -- independent groups that are allowed to support candidates, but are legally forbidden from coordinating directly with their campaigns -- are running ads on his rival's behalf. They are, Mr. Obama says, representative of the kind of "special interests" that "have too much influence in Washington."

The thing, though, is that both of these 527s represent union groups -- in the case of the larger group, local branches of the S.E.I.U. who consider Mr. Edwards the strongest candidate on health reform. So Mr. Obama's attack raises a couple of questions.

First, does it make sense, in the current political and economic environment, for Democrats to lump unions in with corporate groups as examples of the special interests we need to stand up to?

Second, is Mr. Obama saying that if nominated, he'd be willing to run without support from labor 527s, which might be crucial to the Democrats? If not, how does he avoid having his own current words used against him by the Republican nominee?

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Cool and Abstract

Edwards, a onetime courtroom lawyer, portrayed Obama, a former constitutional law professor, as cool and abstract in his thinking. "From my perspective, this is not an academic or a philosophical question," Edwards said. "This is about who has the toughness and fight to take on corporate greed and win."

There is a fine line. The trick for Edwards is to be partisan without appearing overheated. The trick for Obama is not to appear to aloof. My feeling is Edwards is more likely to accomplish his task than Obama his.

by molly bloom 2007-12-24 04:10AM | 0 recs
I'm surprised edwards

hasn't used the recent Cigna case more.
a clear example of only public outcry and protest causing Cigna (too little too late) to do the right thing...

it is a "fantasy" to think this big multinationals care about anything other than the bottom line

by TarHeel 2007-12-24 05:16AM | 0 recs
With Edwards

I expect it would become a staple of the campaign. Probably it would with HRC. Obama? I don't know. I would not hold my breath.

by molly bloom 2007-12-24 06:38AM | 0 recs
The republicans will promise Bambi Obama

They will promise him they will play nice and then they will put on their brass knuckles and pulverize the soft, in experienced Obama.

by dpANDREWS 2007-12-24 07:12AM | 0 recs
Re: The republicans will promise Bambi Obama

Dear lord, yes.

He was asked if he would accept support from 527s if he was the nominee but Obama did not give a definitive answer. He said he hopes to get Republicans to come up with an agreement on how to operate.

This is the height of naivete. He is just not ready.  Maybe in a few years.  He's young.

by susanhu 2007-12-24 11:04AM | 0 recs
Re: The republicans will promise Bambi Obama

Just had another thought re that quote about this section:

... but Obama did not give a definitive answer. He said he hopes ...

Yet another time he can't give a clear answer, and evades it with that "hope" rhetoric.  Karl Rove must be beside himself with anticipation.

(Don't get me wrong: He's a very smart man with some great abilities.  It's just that he's not ready.)

by susanhu 2007-12-24 11:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards all talk, no fight

Is this what Progressivism has come to?  When someone takes a principled stance and actually backs it up that becomes reason to criticize?  What Krugman is arguing for is your special interests are corrupt, mine are pure.  Yeah, right, talk to me about the purity of Union leaderships.  Sure corporate America championed by Reagan went after Unions.  They were effective in part because too many hard working people in this country who are not in Unions have a bad image of Union Leadership and Union heavy-handed practices - from featherbedding right down to Jimmy Hoffa.  To deny Unions have been partially responsible for their own demise is to really live with rose-colored glasses on.  They are a special interest group which shows time and again by their actions which hurt innocent people with no stake in the argument, that they are too often only concerned with their own agenda, to hell with the rest of the country.  I got mine, to hell with you is too often their motto.  That is a special interest.  They would be far better off spending their political activism money on building back their national image than on trying to subvert campaign finance reform which seeks to curtail the power of all groups and restore the power of the individual voice in this country.  Why should individuals participate when the system is rigged to make it a game between Corporations vs. Unions.  Exxon doesn't talk for me, but neither do the Teamsters.  Shame on Krugman.

by Piuma 2007-12-24 08:37AM | 0 recs
no he's arguing

comparing HMOs to unions representing nurses and home care workers is silly

by TarHeel 2007-12-24 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: no he's arguing

so is Obama's unwillingness to relinquish all the bundled donations he received.  he will exploit one loophole in campaign finance, but he will denounce the other as a result of the dearth of union endorsements his centrist and corpratist campaign has received.

because obama has received bundled donations, one can view his campaign apparatus as a conglomeration of multiple 527s.    

by truthteller2007 2007-12-24 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: no he's arguing

But that is not Obama's argument, it is Krugman's misrepresentation.  Obama is not claiming, as Krugmans says,  that they are "representative of the kind of "special interests" that "have too much influence in Washington."  That statement just shows Krugman has become a partisan hack.  Obama says they are representative of special interests, not the kind of special interests.  

by Piuma 2007-12-24 09:04AM | 0 recs
Re: no he's arguing

He conflated unions with corporations and K-Street lobbyists.  And even worse, Obama has received bundled donations from the latter, thereby rendering his campaign a conglomeration of the 527s he is ostensibly repudiating.  one also wonders why he established HopeFund PAC if PACs represent all he claims to despise in Washington, DC.  

by truthteller2007 2007-12-24 09:06AM | 0 recs
Nonsense

You are confused.  Obama is bashing our own side, and has adopted the Repukeliscum line.

The ONLY time I am interested in compromise is when we DICTATE the compromise.  That's the Repukeliscum version of compromise - to them, it's a matter of agreeing with Bush now or later. If we try real compromise, they will run all over us, the Dems.

Obama is now doing Harry and Louise.  Is he nuts?

by dataguy 2007-12-25 06:09AM | 0 recs
Krugman: Obama goes Harry and Louise

Obama apparently is running Harry & Louise style commercials in Iowa.

It has a man and a woman talking, with the man leading off saying that health care mandates "force those who cannot afford health care insurance to buy it, punishing those who don't fall in line."

by molly bloom 2007-12-24 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Krugman: Obama goes Harry and Louise

Is he running as a Republican?  I thought their field for the primary was already too crowded.

by truthteller2007 2007-12-24 11:40AM | 0 recs
I like to give all Democratic candidates

the benefit of the doubt, but if true, then Obama is about Obama (even more than most pols).

by molly bloom 2007-12-24 11:52AM | 0 recs
Terrible error

I just am confused about what Obama is doing.  

by dataguy 2007-12-25 06:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards: Obama "wearing

stop acting like he's a country rube, fresh off the train. He's an outsider who made it to the Senate from the South Side of Chicago. He's a Black Man running for President, and has come this far. He is NOT naive. He is NOT a bumpkin.

by rikyrah 2007-12-24 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards: Obama "wearing

He is not from the south side of Chicago; he is from Kansas or Hawai'i, and he attended Ivy League institutions.

by truthteller2007 2007-12-24 05:12PM | 0 recs
Where did he get elected from?

The SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO. That he was able to break through in Chicago, is a testament to his skill level.

by rikyrah 2007-12-25 06:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Where did he get elected from?

Skill at removing Democrats from the ballot.  

by truthteller2007 2007-12-25 09:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Where did he get elected from?

No, that's Hillary's talent.

by Nedsdag 2007-12-25 12:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Where did he get elected from?

link?

by truthteller2007 2007-12-25 01:01PM | 0 recs

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