Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

Obama is trying to divert attention 1) from his stinging loss in New Hampshire, and 2) from his inadequacies as a presidential candidate, mostly his cluelessness about what he'd actually do if he were president -- most recently, about what he'd do to stimulate the economy.

"He speaks with so much passion, but I'm not sure what his views are on a lot of things," says [Maurice] Frye. He worries about a poor economy and sagging U.S. dollar. He wants more substance. "I think he speaks too generally. Not being specific hurts him because no one knows him that well yet."

Meekaaeel [DeBradley] agrees. "It's good that he keeps saying what the problems are over and over again, but I need to hear the solutions, too," he says. -- From the Reno Gazette-Journal, January 13, 2008

People aren't stupid. People can see that substantive plans are missing from his rhetoric. People can see that how he'll make "change" happen isn't spelled out. Well, at least those people who haven't drunk the Kool-Aid.

Renowned economist and NYT columnist Paul Krugman writes a devastating dissection of Obama's economic stimulus package today. "Disreputable" is the term that Krugman uses to describe the Obama campaign's first weak attempt. About Obama's second attempt, delivered on Sunday, Krugman says it's "tilted to the right" and that Obama "really is less progressive than his rivals on matters of domestic policy."

We've heard that before, haven't we, about Obama's use of GOP talking points on Social Security and more. That Obama's policies, such as they are, are far more conservative than those of Sen. Hillary Clinton and former Sen. John Edwards.  Krugman also points out:

Last week Hillary Clinton offered a broadly similar but somewhat larger proposal. (It also includes aid to families having trouble paying heating bills, which seems like a clever way to put cash in the hands of people likely to spend it.) The Edwards and Clinton proposals both contain provisions for bigger stimulus if the economy worsens.

And you have to say that Mrs. Clinton seems comfortable with and knowledgeable about economic policy. I'm sure the Hillary-haters will find some reason that's a bad thing, but there's something to be said for presidents who know what they're talking about.

Dr. Krugman has joined the ranks of those of who dare question the Obama "hope" machine, hence his reference to "Hillary-haters." He knows that, having published that column today, he will be deluged with hate mail.

It's a disturbing phenomenon.  For all their rapturous adoration of Obama's message of "change" and "hope," his followers -- they're really not so much supporters as they are Hari Krishna-like followers -- are filled with ugly rage at anyone who dares to question their irrational beliefs.

Here's what Dr. Krugman writes today about Obama's "disreputable" first plan and right-leaning second plan:

The Obama campaign's initial response to the latest wave of bad economic news was, I'm sorry to say, disreputable: Mr. Obama's top economic adviser claimed that the long-term tax-cut plan the candidate announced months ago is just what we need to keep the slump from "morphing into a drastic decline in consumer spending." Hmm: claiming that the candidate is all-seeing, and that a tax cut originally proposed for other reasons is also a recession-fighting measure -- doesn't that sound familiar? [NOTE THE REFERENCE TO BUSH'S PLAN.]

Anyway, on Sunday Mr. Obama came out with a real stimulus plan. As was the case with his health care plan, which fell short of universal coverage, his stimulus proposal is similar to those of the other Democratic candidates, but tilted to the right.

For example, the Obama plan appears to contain none of the alternative energy initiatives that are in both the Edwards and Clinton proposals, and emphasizes across-the-board tax cuts over both aid to the hardest-hit families and help for state and local governments. I know that Mr. Obama's supporters hate to hear this, but he really is less progressive than his rivals on matters of domestic policy. ...

It must also be noted that Dr. Krugman gives John Edwards his due -- which makes Edwards a far more serious candidate than Obama will ever be:

On the Democratic side, John Edwards, although never the front-runner, has been driving his party's policy agenda. He's done it again on economic stimulus: last month, before the economic consensus turned as negative as it now has, he proposed a stimulus package including aid to unemployed workers, aid to cash-strapped state and local governments, public investment in alternative energy, and other measures.

Krugman is deadly serious about the need for sound, progressive economic stimulus packages because of a looming recession:

Suddenly, the economic consensus seems to be that the implosion of the housing market will indeed push the U.S. economy into a recession, and that it's quite possible that we're already in one. As a result, over the next few weeks we'll be hearing a lot about plans for economic stimulus.

Since this is an election year, the debate over how to stimulate the economy is inevitably tied up with politics. And here's a modest suggestion for political reporters. Instead of trying to divine the candidates' characters by scrutinizing their tone of voice and facial expressions, why not pay attention to what they say about economic policy? ( Read all of Krugman's column today.)

The only time I indulge in "hope" is when I think about the voters in the upcoming elections in South Carolina and Nevada.  I "hope" they'll keep wondering when Obama is going to talk more substantively about the issues.  I "hope" they'll read Paul Krugman.  I "hope" they'll read this guest column today at Taylor Marsh's blog by Michael K. Fauntroy, an assistant professor of public policy at George Mason University and author of Republicans and the Black Vote. A registered Independent, he blogs at: MichaelFauntroy.com.

Fauntroy, a black man, is suffering the same fate as Paul Krugman, Larry Johnson, Taylor Marsh, me and others who dare to look past the message and assess if Barack Obama is able to be president:

It's hard out here for Black pundits/analysts/commentators who haven't come around to drinking the Barack Obama is the best-thing-since-sliced-bread-how-did-we -ever-exist-as-a-nation-without-him-this -is-our-last-best-chance-to-elect-a-Blac k-president-so-we-better-support-him-see -I-told-you-racism-is-dead Kool-Aid. I have learned an unfortunate lesson in observing the Democratic presidential nomination fight: In too many segments of the country - Black and White - to express any skepticism about Barack Obama is considered political heresy. I'm blown away by this discovery, because it suggests a dangerous group think: Obama is the only agent of change and to not praise him at every opportunity is to support the status quo. ...
[...]

While I got slapped around by a few callers [on a radio show] (and gently by the host, an Obama supporter), one caller was particularly unhinged. ... and went on about how Obama showed leadership in the Illinois legislature in opposing the war and that I was out of line for not giving him credit for this. I reminded the caller that Obama has not opposed one nickel of Bush spending to continue this travesty, but, alas, I was deemed unduly critical of "the Brother," not to be taken seriously. By the way caller: Do you know how easy it is to oppose something when you have no skin in the game? Can anyone say for sure that he would not have voted to authorize Bush's foolishness in Iraq if he were a member of the Senate in 2002? I'm willing to bet that Obama would have done as all the Senate Democrats who wanted to be president did: vote to support Bush so that their Republican general election opponent couldn't say they were soft on terrorism.

All I've tried to do is add some reason and caution to the over-the-top response that many voters have for Obama. And I'll keep doing it. I have thick skin, so it's no big deal to me.

I also "hope," as Krugman suggests, that political reporters "pay attention to what [the candidates] say about economic policy" instead of obsessing about this racism non-issue kerfuffle that Obama's camp is pushing to divert attention from his woeful lack of substantive, progressive economic policies.

Hey, reporters! How about starting with this key point in Krugman's op-ed?

the Obama plan appears to contain none of the alternative energy initiatives that are in both the Edwards and Clinton proposals.

Tags: Barack Obama, Economy, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Nevada, Paul Krugman, racism, South Carolina (all tags)

Comments

102 Comments

Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

Alernative energy initiatives are critical not only for the environment but also because they create JOBS! Thousands and thousands of jobs and new industries and new small/large businesses!

(Tips and comments welcome!)

by susanhu 2008-01-14 07:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

I hope you're right when you say people aren't stupid. Look around susanhu, these bastards are doing everything within their power to try to detroy HRC and Bill. It pisses me to no end.  I want to scream out loud. Look at how Obama previously attacked Krugman regarding his health care plan. God forbid someone disagree with Obama. Obama wants to destroy our party, I've concluded. I hope America wakes up and soon.

Great diary.

by lonnette33 2008-01-14 07:13AM | 0 recs
Your comments indicate that you

have either a serious problem with reality or an unresolved anger problem.

Obama did not attack Krugman. They merely disagree.  It is possible to disagree without becoming unhinged, although this seems to be impossible for a Hillary-bot like yourself.

Can't we disagree without becoming unhinged?

by dataguy 2008-01-14 08:37AM | 0 recs
Obama did attack Krugman

everyone knows that.  Caling someone else unhinged won't make you look smarter Databoy.  Stop being such an asswipe.

by MollieBradford 2008-01-14 08:40AM | 0 recs
"Everybody knows that"

Yeah, what a pile of crap.

You can have a dialog without it being an "attack".  I know that for you and the other Model3 Hillary-bots, it's not possible to discuss without slashing, burning and pillaging, but many people can have an adult discussion without killing their opponent.  That's an important adult skill to develop, and you should think about it.

You Hillary folks are pissing off a huge component of the left.  Many find your tactics to be absolutely repugnant, and I am starting to hear calls that "No, I will not vote for Hillary in the general"  I put the blame squarely on her partisans.  

Think about it.  Can you disagree without being disagreeable? You may wish to try it for a bit.

by dataguy 2008-01-14 08:53AM | 0 recs
Re: "Everybody knows that"

This is "Team Obama" in their narcissistic, arrogant triumphalism right after his win in Iowa.

At Obama Victory Event, Campaign Played Jay-Z's "99 Problems (But A Bitch Ain't One)"

Posted at 7:09 AM on January 14, 2008.

PRESIDENTIAL hopeful Barack Obama claims to run a clean campaign, but someone in his camp took a swipe at Hillary Clinton through the candidate's theme song.

As Obama and his wife, Michelle, strolled triumphantly into his victory party in Des Moines, Iowa, on Jan. 3, Jay-Z's "99 Problems" was blaring. In it, Jay raps, "I got 99 problems, but a bitch ain't one."

Some listeners took it as a not-so-sly reference to Hillary.

"We didn't know he used that," a shocked Clinton spokesperson said.

Alternet and HuffPos picked up the story:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01142008/gos sip/pagesix/hillary_barack_rap_rock_14 2152.htm

by Tennessean 2008-01-14 09:32AM | 0 recs
Re: "Everybody knows that"

Why do you keep hi-jacking the thread, as opposed to refuting the arguement?

Do you read, or hear yourself?

And as a troll method, it's really so 1988.

Might want to update, cutting edge PR indicates truth is again, in.

by Marsha1 2008-01-14 09:49AM | 0 recs
The thread is "Obama bad, Hillary good"

and I'm just throwing my little bit in.

That's the thread of all Hillary-bots.  You can gussie it up, but it's always good versus evil with you Hillary-bots.

I'm trying, without success, to introduce a moment of thoughtful reflection and adult consideration.  

It's like discussing Plato with pigeons, I find.

by dataguy 2008-01-14 10:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Pushes Race Card in Memo

In Follow-Up Poll, Hillary Regains Big National Lead:

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/po ll_mccain_hillary_gain_sizable_national_ leads.php

Obama Campaign's Memo Proving They are Pushing the Race Card:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12 /obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html

Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has prepared a detailed memo listing various instances in which it perceived Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign to have deliberately played the race card in the Democratic primary. [See the full memo here.]

*

The memo, which was obtained by the Huffington Post and has been made public elsewhere, is believed to have been given to an activist and contains mostly excerpts from different media reports. It lists the contact info and name of Obama's South Carolina press secretary, Amaya Smith, and is broken down into five incidents in which either Clinton, her husband Bill, or campaign surrogates made comments that could be interpreted as racially insensitive.

*

The document provides an indication that, in private, the Obama campaign is seeking to capitalize on the view - and push the narrative - that the Clintons are using race-related issues for political leverage. In public, the Obama campaign has denied that they are trying to propagate such a perception, noting that the document never was sent to the press.

In putting together a memo on these comments, the Obama campaign is seemingly implying that they are part of a larger, ugly pattern of the Clintons trying to politicize the issue of race. Prominent African-American figures have argued as much. This past week Rep. James Clyburn, D-SC, said he would reconsider his decision to not make an endorsement should the questionable undertones of the campaign dialogue continue.

The memo also underscores the growing testiness of the Democratic primary campaign. Following Obama's victory in the Iowa caucus, Sen. Clinton promised a more aggressive strategy in the New Hampshire primary. And, to a large extent, she delivered, calling Obama to task on his voting record, his connection to a New Hampshire lobbyist, and the idea that he was more rhetoric than substance. Obama did hit back, criticizing Clinton for saying that the he was offering "false hope."

The Obama camp did not return repeated requests for comment. But campaign spokesperson Candice Tolliver told Politico that, in regards to the race-based comment: "Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this really an isolated situation or is there something bigger behind all of this?"


by Tennessean 2008-01-14 11:01AM | 0 recs
code red irony alert!


Yeah, what a pile of crap.

you and the other Model3 Hillary-bots...are pissing off a huge component of the left...find your tactics to be absolutely repugnant, and I am starting to hear calls that "No, I will not vote for Hillary in the general".... I put the blame squarely on her partisans...

followed by

Think about it.  Can you disagree without being disagreeable?...

You may wish to try it for a bit....

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-15 05:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama did attack Krugman

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by sndeak 2008-01-14 10:41AM | 0 recs
Any disagrement with Obama always an attack.

Dataguy you should read his campaign press releases. If Clinton coughs it's an attack.  

by ottovbvs 2008-01-14 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

Baaaah! So now we have junior psychiatrists entering the fray.

These are probably the most dumb statements from susan to date:

"1) his stinging loss in New Hampshire, and 2) from his inadequacies as a presidential candidate"

Hillary, leading by doubled digits, takes a 3 point "stinging" win? Please.

If Obama can prevent the nation from coming under the sway of Clintonism: Republican Lite and more corportism such as demonstrated by the Bush administration, and a continuation of Neocon foreign policy, that would be enough.

Hiding Hillary's agenda by focusing on Obama is a slick willie trick. The Clinton's intent to reclaim the Democratic party as a party of right wing Democrats, as a party of Reagan Democrats, is no longer a viable. Hillary has alienated the left wing of the party and will continue to do so as her hidden agenda become more public.

The era of Clintonism is over.

by shergald 2008-01-15 02:45AM | 0 recs
Yes, I was also disappointed...

To see that Obama has no "green collar jobs" plan in his economic stimulus package. And for that matter, he doesn't really have anything to take on the foreclosure crisis... Or anything to help people facing skyrocketing energy costs. So what is Obama propising? Oh, just more "supply side economics" crap with a bunch of tax cuts that don't really help.

No wonder why Obama's campaign wants to distract us with all the race-baiting crap...

by atdleft 2008-01-14 07:32AM | 0 recs
Do-do-do-do

Tinfoil hats, mystic crystal.  Water hen knows all, and can tell the future.

Seriously, you thoughtful post was quite amusing, but then it came to me: you believe it.

Wow. That's some seriously deranged notion you have there.

by dataguy 2008-01-14 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Do-do-do-do

Mickey Kaus in Kausfiles, December 2006:

According to Obama,  a friend once told him "you always think everything's about you."

And he doesn't any more?

Obama's favorite complexity still seems to be Obama--it was certainly a subtext of his 2004 convention address. ("We worship an awesome God in the blue states").

At the end of his early Obama profile, Jacob Weisberg of Slate says Obama "would never be so immodest" as to compare himself to Lincoln.

But a dozen paragraphs earlier, Obama had done just that:

"That kind of hunger--desperate to win, please, succeed, dominate--I don't know any politician who doesn't have some of that reptilian side to him. But that's not the dominant part of me. On the other hand, I don't know that it was the dominant part of--" his voice suddenly trails off as he motions behind him to a portrait of Lincoln, the self-invented lawyer, writer, and politician from Illinois. "This guy was pretty reflective," he says, offering a sly smile.

http://www.slate.com/id/2155709/&#ob amadrama

by Tennessean 2008-01-14 10:01AM | 0 recs
by NeuvoLiberal 2008-01-14 08:55AM | 0 recs
Obama's fact check links to original articles

It's Obama's job to set the record straight when smearing and lying artists lace attacks on him. It's people's job to read and explore the sources and figure out facts for themselves.

The Clinton camp has sunk to disgusting lows.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-01-14 09:18AM | 0 recs
Attack attack attack without quarter

They are poisoning the well.  Many on the left are viewing the relentless and over-the-top deranged partisans which infest the Clinton campaign as repugnant, and these wackos are driving away many on the left.

When the smoke clears, and one nominee remains, will that person have the Democratic Party remaining?

by dataguy 2008-01-14 09:45AM | 0 recs
No, we don't

We do not know this.  And saying that we do is a lie.

by dataguy 2008-01-14 09:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama fact check.

and the race baiting continues by team Obama

by sepulvedaj3 2008-01-14 10:03AM | 0 recs
Clinton backers are disowning the Clintons and

their nasty tactics. That's what's happening.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-01-14 10:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

I just wish Hillary would spend more time on economic policy, her strength, and less on voter suppression in Nevada.

by mcdave 2008-01-14 09:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

Well, fair elections are very important, and Hillary  is trying to insure no one has unfair advantatge.

Obama understands discrimination, my goodness, I would think he would be the last to supress the vote, as a black man.

by Marsha1 2008-01-14 09:52AM | 0 recs
Susan who?

Its really obnoxious to see an Obama hit piece on the reco list authored by you every single time I sign on. The claims you make in this diary are unsubstantiated at best. I still lean to Hillary, but the venom coming from Clinton supporters right now is really repelling me, just like Edwards' people did a year ago. And yes, I DO think its fair to judge a camp by the crowd they attract.

by alipi 2008-01-14 07:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Susan who?

Unsubstantiated?

I suggest you lodge your complaints with Dr. Paul Krugman and the editorial board of the New York Times.

by susanhu 2008-01-14 08:33PM | 0 recs
I want to honor the truce

but, since PBS Newshour aired before that, I want to give you all the link to the audio of Rep. John Lewis's powerful statements tonight in an interview with Judy Woodruff.

by susanhu 2008-01-14 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: I want to honor the truce

John Lewis' statement was indeed powerful. He is a civil rights icon.

by KnowVox 2008-01-15 05:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

Same old Hillary camp tripe.

No tip for you, susan.

by shergald 2008-01-15 02:48AM | 0 recs
Just to be sure they win SC

Mrs. Obama now plays the race card too.

Can we all now admit that this IS the Obama "southern strategy"?

Heres is the [UPDATED AS OF 12:08 PM]list of Democrats that are racist according to the obama campaign and obama surrogates.

[and please remember that the scoundrel Robert Gibbs and his boss, David Axelrod, and HIS boss Pete Rouse are all as white as winter flounder]

Joe Biden
Bob Kerry
Bill Shaheen
Andrew Cuomo
Hillary Clinton
Bill Clinton
Founder of BET Robert Johnson (wha?)
LBJ
and me

who's next?  Its like Joe McCarthy time redux with Obamaland.

Have they no shame? Have they no sense of decency?

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-14 07:16AM | 0 recs
HUH??!!

What are you talking about? The "Deep South" states went to Goldwater in '64 b/c they were offended over LBJ signing THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT into law. In fact, LBJ even said as he was signing The Civil Rights Act that he knew he was signing "a death warrant" to the Democratic Party in the South b/c he knew the racist, pro-Jim Crow Dixiecrats would soon desert the party. So why again did LBJ make civil rights so important? HE PUT PEOPLE'S RIGHTS ABOVE POLITICAL STRATEGY.

So please, don't try to rewrite history here.

by atdleft 2008-01-14 07:37AM | 0 recs
I am waiting for the day you write

ANYTHING that isnt hate based and bass ackwards.

I wont even respond to the first part of your comment, i refuse to debate such asinine charges, but LBJ gave up all of his support in the South BECAUSE he drove and demanded the Civil rights act through and from Congress.

It cost him his second term.

And now all these years later a hllary hater like you slanders his good, good works just in order to score points against someone you so irrationally oppose.

Truly Disgraceful.

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-14 07:43AM | 0 recs
LBJ quit because of the Vietnam war

If the civil rights stuff had anything to do with it, it was minor.  It was the Vietnam war that led him to quit.  You're too young to remember the facts, but I am not.

by dataguy 2008-01-14 09:25AM | 0 recs
1/2 knowing CW

his strong southern base was damaged, if not GONE, and so he made himself vulnerable to both an anti war candidate and a wallace challenge.

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-15 05:16AM | 0 recs
go f yourself

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-15 05:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Just to be sure they win SC

How in the hell do you know what CODE is rssrai? Are you AA?  You don't speak for me.

by lonnette33 2008-01-14 07:44AM | 0 recs
Show me

where the Obama campaign called these people racists?

by Moonwood 2008-01-14 07:55AM | 0 recs
ill happily agree that anyone who would use

racist ploys is a racist.

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-14 08:28AM | 0 recs
Hey, Seymour, you're a pro

Tell us, please, what Andrew Cuomo was getting at with his "shuck and jive" comment. Please, that's a specific comment from a specific Hillary surrogate.  

If you can explain that in a sensible way, many of us would be appreciative.

How is "shuck and jive" NOT a racist code phrase?

by dataguy 2008-01-14 08:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Hey, Seymour, you're a pro

The full quotes from Cuomo are availabe. He wasn't even talking about Obama. He was talking about how campaigning in Iowa is one-on-one and none of the candidates can shuck and jive their way through media press conferences -- all of the candidates have to interact one-on-one with voters.

His whole thought had nothing to do with Obama. Obama selectively misquoted him.

by hwc 2008-01-14 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Just to be sure they win SC

Would that crew (Axlerod, Gobbs and Rouse) be the one that came up with the " Obama as heir to MLK"
schtick?

Imagine, taking the name of that great man, MLK, and using it to sell Obama the Talentless, like so much Perrier water --  

They just like the way he makes them feel, the Obama supporters.

by Marsha1 2008-01-14 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

Successful candidates say as much as necessary to get elected, but leave themselves the maximum amount of wiggle room and give their opponents as little as possible to use against them.

Right?

by Carl Nyberg 2008-01-14 07:36AM | 0 recs
Exploiting Racism?

By pointing out when Dogwhistle Politics are being used against him..that's 'exploiting racism'?

GTFOH.

I'm am beyond tired of White folks telling me the racism that I see is in my 'imagination'.

by rikyrah 2008-01-14 07:48AM | 0 recs
dont know about your personal life

but i know that the dems they have slandered arent racist and dont DO racism.

screw your dog whistle!

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-14 08:31AM | 0 recs
Take that, you ungrateful person, you

Nope, who you gonna believe: me or your lying ears?

by dataguy 2008-01-14 08:55AM | 0 recs
All I can hope

is that the wacko Clinton people on this site are indicative of a campaign that is desparate.  You all are so full of vitriol - its disgusting.  Have fun.

by Moonwood 2008-01-14 07:57AM | 0 recs
It appears that the Hillary-bots have

the DIAL set to NEGATIVE - INTENSITY 11.  They give no quarter.  There is nothing positive or uplifting coming from the CLinton folks today, it's just attack attack attack.

It's a darn shame that this horrible, nasty tone is what the Clintons want right now.  

by dataguy 2008-01-14 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: It appears that the Hillary-bots have

Michelle Obama implied Bill was racist last night.  Perhaps you should contact the campaign and ask her to issue an apology.

by truthteller2007 2008-01-14 08:35AM | 0 recs
Re: It appears that the Hillary-bots have

Obama and Michelle don't do apology; they do demand it of others constantly.  What's wrong with this picture, fplks?  Is this merely a campaign tactic or is it a sign of someone unable to deal with criticism?

by David Kowalski 2008-01-14 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: It appears that the Hillary-bots have

I am referring to this speech, a speech Wal-Mart Queen Michelle Obama delivered last night at the opening of the Trumpet Awards.

by truthteller2007 2008-01-14 08:44AM | 0 recs
Wal-mart

"Even Wal-Mart, the largest and arguably most powerful corporation in the country, is no match for the triangulation, pandering and obfuscation of Hillary Clinton. With Wal-Mart rating as public enemy number one among many liberals, progressives and just regular voters, Clinton is finding her past ties to Wal-Mart too hot to handle so, presto, over the side the Beast of Bentonville must go.

For those not in the know, Clinton served on Wal-Mart's board for six years prior to her husband's run for the presidency. She recently received $5,000 from Wal-Mart. I've raised the Wal-Mart relationship repeatedly in my current race against Clinton and it causes deep unease among voters. I believe it speaks to the incumbent's close ties to abusive corporate power: her large corporate financial contributions, her support for so-called "free trade" (which is simply trade to benefit corporations) and her unwillingness to confront corporate power that denies every American, among other things, universal health insurance. "

What the fuck are you talking about?

by dataguy 2008-01-14 08:57AM | 0 recs
This is a lovely example

of the lies and distortion from the Clinton side.

The plain fact is that Clinton and Obama are very similar position-wise.  In some things, Hillary is more progressive, and in others, Barack is more progressive.  Neither are really strongly progressive - both are sensible centrists.

Yet partisans like "truthteller" (now theres's a name for a liar) distort, lie and stretch the truth to pretend there is a difference.

Hillary was for Wal-Mart well before she was against it.  Or is she against it?

by dataguy 2008-01-14 09:00AM | 0 recs
Re: This is a lovely example

Michelle and Barack were for Wal-Mart before they were against it.  And in fact, Michelle worked for a major Wal-Mart affiliate in 2007.

Michelle Obama and WAL-MART

by truthteller2007 2008-01-14 09:09AM | 0 recs
But, you gormless twit, SO WAS HILLARY

HILLARY WAS ON THE WAL-MART BOARD.

HILLARY WAS ON THE WAL-MART BOARD.

MICHELLE OBAMA WAS NOT ON THE WAL-MART BOARD.

You can't attack the Obamas for being MORE FAVORABLE TO WAL-MART WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE LESS>

ANYONE who continues such an attack line is AN IDIOT.

by dataguy 2008-01-14 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: But, you gormless twit, SO WAS HILLARY

She worked for a major WAL-MART distributor and resigned out of guilt.

by truthteller2007 2008-01-14 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: But, you gormless twit, SO WAS HILLARY

This is why Michelle Obama will remain a WAL-MART Queen.

by truthteller2007 2008-01-14 09:16AM | 0 recs
Only a stupid person argues with a moron

and I am not stupid.

You, like many, are immune to facts.

You are the problem with the Hillary campaign.  Your stupidity turns many many off.

You cannot lie about facts for a long time without people noticing.  And you are lying.

by dataguy 2008-01-14 09:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Only a stupid person argues with a moron

I cited one news article, and I can cite at least seven more.  

by truthteller2007 2008-01-14 09:46AM | 0 recs
You, sir or madam,

are a FOOL

by dataguy 2008-01-14 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: You, sir or madam,

I believe it is something all of us should discuss, for she quit the position after her husband uttered comments critical of WAL-MART before the AFL-CIO in Trenton, NJ.  She also sat on the board when WAL-MART pressured Daley, a major Obama ally whose brother serves as Chief Advisor to the Obama campaign, to veto the Big Box Ordinance.

by truthteller2007 2008-01-14 09:19AM | 0 recs
IN POINT OF FACT, YOU LIAR

Michelle Obama was on the board of a WAL-MART SUPPLIER.  

A WAL-MART SUPPLIER IS NOT THE SAME AS WAL-MART.

HILLARY CLINTON WAS ON THE BOARD OF WAL-MART.

GEEEEZUUUUUUSSSS  What a DOLT

by dataguy 2008-01-14 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: IN POINT OF FACT, YOU LIAR

Then why did she quit at the very moment her husband uttered comments critical of WAL-MART in Trenton, NJ?

by truthteller2007 2008-01-14 09:18AM | 0 recs
false charges of racism piss me off!

cuomo is no racist. f those who lie and say he is`!!

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-15 05:20AM | 0 recs
Clinton fanatics

are apparently in full force this morning.

by highgrade 2008-01-14 08:11AM | 0 recs
wearing the bullet-proof garments

of frozen kool-aid.  You cannot argue with these people.  They are immune to logic.

by dataguy 2008-01-14 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: wearing the bullet-proof garments

I can see your point dataguy, you're very bright.

by Marsha1 2008-01-14 10:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

Great diary.  Knowledge of economic policy, and sound economic policy, is critically important to this election.  Obama doesn't get it.  Clinton and Edwards do.

by markjay 2008-01-14 08:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism
Watched Susan Rice on msnbc. And the way she explained it was Hillary makes a comment about MLK, then Clinton surrogates push the the race story in the media then turn around and blame the Obama campaign of playing the race card.
Obama has not commented on Hillarys MLK remarks or the 'fairy tale' comment.
Like Rice explained Obama wants to talk about his economic stimulus package and does not want to get into what Hillary could've meant with her MLK comments.
To me it seems the Obama campaign has moved on but its the Clinton campaign and the media that want to keep this nonsense going.
by joachim 2008-01-14 08:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

The reporter you describe is biased.

by truthteller2007 2008-01-14 08:27AM | 0 recs
GE'S msnbc? no!!

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-14 08:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism
Susan Rice is a senior Obama adviser.
She was speaking on behalf of the campaign and she refused to answer any question about race and said the campaign only wanted to talk about Obamas stimulus package.
The Obama campaign has moved on...
by joachim 2008-01-14 09:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

Susan Rice is the woman who refused aid to Rwanda during the genocide there, or wasn't able to recognize the brutal tragedy of what was occurring.

Why would Obama hire someone so seemingly incompetent, even with second chances, it's his campaign, you would think he would want the best...

by Marsha1 2008-01-14 10:22AM | 0 recs
She was a Clinton staffer right

that was on Clinton's watch right?

That was a huge failure of Clinton.

Why are you blaming Obama for a Clinton failure?

by dataguy 2008-01-14 10:48AM | 0 recs
You have it correct

Hillary and her surrogates are continuing the polarization.  They should drop this line, and get back to the "positive" campaign. Of course, that may be a loser for Hillary, but that would be the responsible thing to do.

Many many many activists are getting very very annoyed with Hillary and her surrogates about this racial thing.  They are digging a deeper and deeper hole, and they should stop digging NOW to minimize the damage to HILLARY.

by dataguy 2008-01-14 08:31AM | 0 recs
Re: You have it correct

Michelle Obama stoked the embers of race last night.  I implore the Obama campaign to restrain their surrogates.

by truthteller2007 2008-01-14 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: You have it correct
And which hole would that be? The one that puts her within the margin of error in SC in a statistical tie? Or would it be the one that puts her ahead nationally at pre Iowa numbers? Maybe it's the hole that hets her the endorsement of NAACP California? Oh, I know, it's the one that has her leading both Florida and California by a nice margin, right?
by americanincanada 2008-01-14 03:29PM | 0 recs
Rets been his campaig and surrogates

hillary never said the word kindergarten you know, but i bet that sent you on a fit!.

and the obamaites got real mad at blll shaheen and bob kerry i recall.

be consistent

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-14 08:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

I guess the Obama campaign is backing off then. They must see that this strategy is affecting their campaign. Internals must be bad.

by Ga6thDem 2008-01-14 10:30AM | 0 recs
What a ridiculous diary

"Stinging loss" - how ludicrous and stupid this characterization is.  Barely a month before the NH primary, Obama was supposed to lose by double digits. He lost by 3 pts.  Only an idiot or a Hillary-bot would call this a "stinging loss"

You Hillary-bots can tell all the lies you want, but you are poisoning the well.  Stop this horrible polarization, and get back to a positive campaign.

by dataguy 2008-01-14 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: What a ridiculous diary

you neglect to note how his numbers skyrocketed after the Iowa/Illinois caucuses.  but hillary's vigorous campaigned neutralized these margins during the five day period during which everyone was sounding her death knell.

by truthteller2007 2008-01-14 08:32AM | 0 recs
I neglected to say that

because my comment had NOTHING to do with that.  What I am stating, and state again, is that this diary is an unbalanced, over-the-top rant which is not constructive.  

I do not oppose vigorous campaigns.  I do not oppose negative campaigns, as long as they are based on record, not person. It is legit and sensible for Hillary to point out that she has more experience than does Barack.  It is not legit for her to mischaracterize his record in Illinois, which she is doing (calling him anti-choice, for instance, a really despicable slur and calumny).  Barack is perfectly within his rights to critique her record on voting for Iraq.

This campaign is getting very nasty, and many of the Hillary-bots are, quite frankly, out of control.  Many of them seem, quite frankly, dangerously unhinged and really off the rails.

by dataguy 2008-01-14 08:43AM | 0 recs
All the bots

And that would include the Oborg, eh?

by lambertstrether 2008-01-14 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: I neglected to say that

But Barak does have a pattern of ducking out on the important votes, making sure he does nothing controversial. ( Kyl-Lieberman, and abortion, for starters). He will not risk, and true leadership is about intelligent risk.

This does not bode well for a future President, or even Senator, no matter how hard you spin it.

by Marsha1 2008-01-14 10:28AM | 0 recs
Dataguy you should read some of your own posts

The Obamanauts have been out of control for months sounding like denizens of Redstate and slavish followers of Drudge. Obama is getting himself into a huge hole over this race issue. I'm a Clinton fan but I just can't understand what he gets out of it other than a short term bounce in SC which is probably going to be counterbalanced by a white push back. I think he's a great guy but not in the same league as Clinton at the moment but I can honestly say he has completely transcended color for me but by all this Sharpton style bs he's forcing it onto the radar. Clinton and Penn must be chortling to themselves. Honestly Dataguy don't you see the downside for him in all this.    

by ottovbvs 2008-01-14 11:11AM | 0 recs
But what about the unity pony?

I love my unity pony!

by lambertstrether 2008-01-14 08:57AM | 0 recs
Heck, why not start with the damn tax cuts?

That's the key point in Krugman's column. Obama's pushing yet another right wing talking point. First, he puts Social Security in play in Iowa, now it's tax cuts as the solution to everthing? Oratory isn't everything...

by lambertstrether 2008-01-14 09:00AM | 0 recs
Exaggerations turn to lies

Here's what Krugman said:

"I know that Mr. Obama's supporters hate to hear this, but he really is less progressive than his rivals on matters of domestic policy."  he did not call it right-wing.  It is a lie and a false characterization to call it right-wing.  

by dataguy 2008-01-14 09:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Exaggerations turn to lies

(I'm not bird dogging you, I swear.)

But to answer the question, Obama is advocating supply side economics by pushing tax cuts, right?

And supply side economics, that Reagan legacy, failed miserably, both for Reagan (who had enough sense to call it) and for Bush ( who didn't).

Was Obama's plan put together by a PR pollster?

Sounds like it, I cant imagine how anyone could advocate tax cuts, as of today...

by Marsha1 2008-01-14 10:31AM | 0 recs
Stop lying

You are telling lies by exaggeration.

Stop lying.

by dataguy 2008-01-14 10:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

I think with all these, shall we say, STRANGE comments coming out of the Hillary campaign, one way or another (thru Hillary, Bill or some surrogate), it shows voters that the Clintons will do anything to win.

So far there's been:

Obama's NAME - (OSAMA)
Obama's Religion - (muslim extremist)
Obama's Not Black enough
Obama's drug use or selling of it
Obama's which is he, black or white
Obama's not experienced enough
Obama's Hope message - Dr King needed President
Obama's Fairy Tale - on war stance or campaign?
Obama's winning endorsement of Nevada union - now Teachers union is suing (yet they didn't say a word until after Obama got it)

The only thing that might be an actual campaign issue is Obama's experience.

Where do you suppose all these TOPICS came from - if not the Hillary campaign?

Nobody MADE the Hillary camp SAY these things that got picked up and reported.  Geez people - wake up.

I loved Bill too but this time around they are WRONG and ACTING GOP LIKE - swiftboating Obama because he's doing so well.  Why can't they just run on Bill's record - LIKE HILLARY was doing in the beginning?

Coonsey's View
www.freewebs.com/coonsey/

by coonbug 2008-01-14 09:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

you know what, the post you just called bullshit was dead on, and your response is so infuriating to me that I am going to cast a vote for Obama tomorrow in the straw poll, just for you.

I have been leaning to Hillary, but the things Bill has been doing lately and the conduct of Hillary's camp in general, including supporters like yourself is DISGUSTING.

by alipi 2008-01-14 07:21PM | 0 recs
Yes. MLK Needed a president...

... in order to make the dream a reality. The Kennedys were timid about doing anything substantial when it came to civil rights. LBJ grew up poor and among black share croppers. Once he rose to the height of his power he called in every political chit to pass civil rights bills, start headstart and fight hunger.

LBJ had an open door for MLK.
They both needed and respected each other.

This who did more argument is petty. Both men went to the limits of their powers and risked much to make this happen.

(what was Lyndon's risk? He know that it would cost the dems the south for a generation. He was right and the "Southern Strategy" was what brought us Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Shrub. But he also believed that it was the right thing to do.

by demwords 2008-01-14 10:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

That should be BULLWICKY - come on now...be nice

by coonbug 2008-01-14 09:27AM | 0 recs
Nice

susanhu: "It's a disturbing phenomenon.  For all their rapturous adoration of Obama's message of "change" and "hope," his followers -- they're really not so much supporters as they are Hari Krishna-like followers -- are filled with ugly rage at anyone who dares to question their irrational beliefs."

Stay classy, MYDD.

by Korha 2008-01-14 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Nice

talk about exploitation. I clicked here in error. I won't make that mistake again.

by misscee 2008-01-14 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

I think it's obvious he's trying to turn the black vote against the Clintons- he's hoping if he wins South Carolina big- it will be the wave that gets the nom- and even though the polls say he is ahead there- he doesn't trust them now.

by reasonwarrior 2008-01-14 11:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

Fuck you, susanhu.  Hey, look, it rhymes.  You're a lying jerk.

by Setec 2008-01-14 01:24PM | 0 recs
Another fact free diary

Quoting Paul Krugman at this point is like quoting Hillary's campaign strategist.  He's been doing op-ed fact free hit pieces since November, when HRC's camp finally started taking Obama serious.

The fact that other blogs take these op-ed hit pieces and reference them as actual journalism is surprising.  Is Krugman freaking because Obama may represent the new liberalism, one Krugman is not the taste maker for?

http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot. com/2007/02/paul-krugman-wrong-is-right. html

Krugman's been an apologist for Hillary for well over a year, and since December has taken every opportunity not to talk up Hillary, but to rip on Obama.

by markt 2008-01-14 03:42PM | 0 recs
Great Homework and Citations.
I give your term paper an "A."
Seriously...this is a terrific compilation.
by demwords 2008-01-14 10:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

Both sides are exploiting racism - both Clinton and Obama- in different ways. This diary only confirms it.

by bruh21 2008-01-15 04:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Reality: Why Obama Is Exploiting Racism

Ha! Obama is exploiting racism? Sorry, what George Orwel planet are you on? Hil is saying MLK needed a white guy to get anything done, a racist white guy at that.

Obama may be no MLK, although we don't know yet, but I hope Hil is no LBJ.

The Clintons will stop at nothing to win, which is why I've decided to double my contribution to Obama.

by Demeric 2008-01-15 05:51AM | 0 recs
Stinging?

What nonsense.

I think that it makes sense to bring race into the equasion if you're Hillary.  What better to bring white voters into her camp than to remind voters that Barack is the scarry black man?!?  I hardly think that Obama believes that race is an advantage to him.  

It was Hillary's endless codewords that prompted this whole debate.  It just took something overt such as her outlandish diss of MLK to spark the debate.  Check this article by Laura Washington in today's Chicago Sun Times...

At a New Hampshire coffee shop, a woman asked if she was OK. Clinton teared up, her voice quavered: "I have so many opportunities from this country, I just don't want to see us fall backward," she replied. "This is very personal for me -- it's not just political, it's not just public."

Listen to the words. "I just don't want to see us fall backward." Backward to what?

To that black man. That black man who beat Hillary. That black man who made the white woman cry.

White New Hampshire voters came to her rescue. Poor Hillary. Don't worry -- we will protect you. We will save you.


(emphasis mine)

Yeah... you go girl.

by IowaCubs 2008-01-15 06:02AM | 0 recs

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