I'm declaring war on the trolls - MAJOR 3rd UPDATE

MAJOR UPDATE

Amazing what 10 hours of research can determine, compared to two hours.I have discovered an earlier version, put out by BingoFrogger at You Tube. This is Bingo's only video, so the name was created specifically for this historic moment in the troll's life. We can prove that this video was posted earlier than Politikewl's video, because of this blog post at a MySpace blog, posted on May 1st at 9:43 PM (time zone unknown) by someone named Stacie.

There's no doubt that Politikewl is bad news - Politikewl posts videos all over the place, and is worthy of ridicule and scorn. However, based on the time of Stacie's post at the MySpace blog, BingoFrogger's video was earlier.

I don't want to keep throwing stuff out here as I find it - fact is, troll research isn't always easy, so instead I'm just going to keep heading down the rabbit hole as far as I can, and then I'll post a new diary with my final findings.

Thanks,

John END 3rd UPDATE

I've had enough.  I'm declaring war...and I'm good at it.

Question - who is the first person at You Tube to release the now fully-discredited video showing Mickey Cantor and George Stephanopoulos discussing Indiana?

Answer - Politikewl, according to my research the past 2 hours, who posted the video before 2 AM PST early this morning.

Here's a google link for this unique screenname, and I'll be combing it as fast as I can to figure out who this person is, and I will do whatever I can to make life miserable for this troll.  A quick scan leaves no doubt that this troll is an Obama supporter, or at least appears to be (trolls can be so clever these days), but this does not mean, or prove in any way, that he/she has anything to do with the campaign.

If any intellectually honest people around here would like to pitch in, please feel free to.  In my opinion, when it comes to whack-a-moling trolls, honest people need to stick together, regardless of who they support.  Truth, above all other things, is what matters.

John Dean
SluggoJD

OK folks, the following is what I've got...please note that this is not even close to being ironclad - it makes sense, it links together, but it is speculative. It is a good enough lead to get in the hands of the Clinton campaign, but whoever this guy is, he's really good.

FACTS

1. Politikewl posted the video earlier than anyone else I can find - I searched You Tube with all sorts of words, Cantor, Hillary, Clinton, Indiana, Obama, and for those who don't know, even if a video is removed, the "advertisement" for the video remains. In Politikewl's case, the video is still there. This alone is a good solid lead to figure out who this asshole is.

2. Politikewl posts videos attacking Hillary all over the place - and I mean all over the place. I can link some of these if you like - homebusinessresearch.com, politicalert.com, Celebrity Desktop, gamesfather.com, and many other places. No doubt, this is much more than just a hobby - we've got a real live professional hitman on our hands here.

3. The earliest link to Politikewl's video I can find is at DU, posted by themartyred less than one hour after it was posted at DU.

Please keep in mind the type of screenname here - politikewl.

4. The screenname "themartyred" is much more unique than I would have thought going in - while there are 55,000 hits, there are only 4 pages available, for unique hits. There is no doubt looking at all the hits on those 4 pages that the DU poster known as "themartyred" is of enormous interest, since this poster happens to slam Hillary and support Obama at DU (once again, the support for Obama does not mean Obama or his campaign have anything to do with this - there are a lot of right wing trolls pretending to be something else).

THIS IS ALL I CAN HONESTLY SAY IS SOLID EVIDENCE. THE FOLLOWING IS WHERE IT MIGHT LEAD...

OK, here we go...is this person Politikewl?

5. themartyred.com WHOIS shows the owner as Scott Dimeler, in PA. He uses the name "Precisionchaos.net" in the registering information as well. His email is jiggles@gmail.com...there are no hits for this.

6. Precisionchaos.net these days merely shows a spider graphic, the words "I have returned" underneath, and the words "Like the Phoenix, Baby!" in your little tab at the bottom of your screen for that browser window, as well as at the top.

7. However, Internet Archive is our friend - it appears that precisionchaos.net used to be a more lively place, with dozens of comments for each posting. I didn't see any political talk, but this was from 2004.

8. 2ND UPDATE CHANGE - I deleted the link to a picture of someone with the name Scott Dimeler, because I don't think that was the right guy. I do believe though that there is a decent likelihood that Politikewl is themartyred at DU.

At this time, please keep in mind that there is no way I can prove that Politikewl is themartyred at DU, no way to prove that the Scott Dimeler who went to Penn State and has strong skills, is themartyred at DU - but certainly themartyred is a very uncommon screenname, themartyred.com does exist, and the name Precision Chaos is certainly fascinating.

And that's that - all I can figure out without crossing a line into real world investigating. Hopefully, someone can put this information into the hands of the Clinton campaign, since there is no doubt that Politikewl is a pro.

SECOND UPDATE

Sometimes Yahoo comes up with things that don't show up on google.

This Yahoo link from 2006 at Atrios, catches someone posting several comments with the sign off, Chocolate Proton - politikewl. Sometimes the poster provides a "homepage" link (which may or may not be true) to a bird watching blog, localwildlife.blogspot.com, and supposedly he/she is in Alabama. The chocolate proton info doesn't lead to anything.

John

Tags: Bitter Truth, campaign 2008, Hillary, obama, trolls (all tags)

Comments

49 Comments

Here are the friends of Politikewl

Jedreport is one that rings a bell.

by SluggoJD 2008-05-02 06:19PM | 0 recs
this means dkos

I'd look there as well since you found this friend.  Also, perhaps this person will lead you to the maker of the you tube video.  I'm sure everyone who was slandered by this will want to know as they are already seeking legal measures against this person.

by 4justice 2008-05-02 06:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Here are the friends of Politikewl

http://www.jedreport.com/
-Looks like the same guy, it's an Obama supporter

jedreport.dailykos.com/

Kos, with comments about Tuzla on Kos also coming up on google.

by zcflint05 2008-05-02 06:31PM | 0 recs
Jed was

a big Edwards supporter before he dropped out.

by kevin22262 2008-05-02 06:34PM | 0 recs
Tell Cantor what your find out...

he committed to taking legal action against these sleezeballs.

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-02 07:04PM | 0 recs
I'd like to see your references

You claim to be good at battling trolls. My experience is that any such claim is automatically self-refuting. My considered opinion is that your skillz at battling trolls approach zero.

by Bipolar Disorder Democrat 2008-05-02 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: I'd like to see your references

Your opinion means nothing to me.

And I'll put you on my radar screen soon enough.

by SluggoJD 2008-05-02 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: I'd like to see your references

ZOMG phear the wrath of SluggoJD!!!

Seriously dude, FAIL.

by username3 2008-05-02 07:25PM | 0 recs
My opinion obviously means something to you

if you are going to put me on yoru waidaw.

by Bipolar Disorder Democrat 2008-05-04 10:21AM | 0 recs
Re: I'd like to see your references

Since you've only made about 17 comments, and since your only diary was a youtube clip entitled "Storm Over Tulza," I wouldn't be surprised to learn that you were a troll.

by sricki 2008-05-02 06:30PM | 0 recs
Re: I'd like to see your references

That storm over tuzla video cracked me up. I thought it should be shared.

by Bipolar Disorder Democrat 2008-05-04 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: I'd like to see your references

Why so touchy about the subject?

by Scotch 2008-05-02 06:54PM | 0 recs
Re: I'd like to see your references

I'm generally a touchy feely kind of guy.

by Bipolar Disorder Democrat 2008-05-04 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls

Jon Kewl Guttman

by giusd 2008-05-02 06:31PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls

Go for it!

Just make sure the Mystery Machine has a tank full of that discounted tax-holiday gas and you have a full box of Scooby Snacks!

But be careful, meddling kids, you might pull off that mask and find a superdelegate that hasn't switched from Clinton to Obama yet.

by emptythreatsfarm 2008-05-02 06:32PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls

this mystery machines a hybrid.

by the Walrus 2008-05-02 06:34PM | 0 recs
lol

that was funny

by sepulvedaj3 2008-05-02 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls

Good luck with that. I'm probably not so great at declaring war on trolls, so I'll leave it to you. Besides, there are so many on teh internets... seems like it would be a never-ending battle. But I applaud you for your noble intentions.

by sricki 2008-05-02 06:33PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls

They are all traitors, and must be stopped! We will now commence the purge! Our purity shall not be tainted! My enemies shall fall!

Or, we could simply make clear and concise arguments which convince everyone we are correct on our own merits, thereby destroying the trolls by attrition, instead of imposing our own arbitrary definition of a troll on the world.

by Lost Thought 2008-05-02 06:43PM | 0 recs
Is this concise enough for you?

The person who made this video and spread it around is a scumbag.

by TeresaInPa 2008-05-02 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls

I would up-rate this comment if this "forum" had not already been purged.

by username3 2008-05-02 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls

Folks, sorry if I can't respond quickly, but I'm combing the internets as fast as I can for clues.

Politikewl is posting videos all over the place, not just at You Tube.

More later!

John

by SluggoJD 2008-05-02 06:50PM | 0 recs
Any DU moderators here?

Got a good lead - the DU poster themartyred posted a link to Politikewl's video at DU, shortly after it first appeared.

by SluggoJD 2008-05-02 06:56PM | 0 recs
ABCNews declaring the doctored clip

as dirty trick.
Filmmakers Chris Hegedus and D A Pennebaker write: "We would like to respond to some erroneous statements made today about our film, THE WAR ROOM. These statements alleged certain remarks to Mickey Kantor that simply are not true. The transcript of the scene in question confirms this."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/05/official-transc.html

by louisprandtl 2008-05-02 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls

Thanks for doing this man!   it need to be done.

by JoeySky18 2008-05-02 07:16PM | 0 recs
this video was one of the slimer

things done by team Obama.  I am not suggesting that it was anyone in campaign management.  But I do think the supporters takes their cue from the candidate.

by TeresaInPa 2008-05-02 07:25PM | 0 recs
Re: this video was one of the slimer

So I can assume that you'll be contacting Sid Blumenthal?

by politicsmatters 2008-05-02 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls
Ditto what JoeySky18 says! Good on you! I am sick of the trolls!
(And I have seen your resume- you WILL get them!)
by ProudMilitaryMom 2008-05-02 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls

This war on trolls is probably as useless as the war in Iraq. However, it's far less costly in casualties and money.

by pollbuster 2008-05-02 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls

Keep going JD! Give us an update when you get the results.

by zcflint05 2008-05-02 07:35PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls

Updated Zach!

by SluggoJD 2008-05-02 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls

Don't you think it is up to the moderators to deal with site abuses?  What you are suggesting sounds like some kind of strange cybervigilanteism.  There has been far too much down-rating from easily peeved individuals of late.  Even if a comment does not please, why not write a response instead of just doing the numerical ding thing?

by mady 2008-05-02 07:55PM | 0 recs
the person he is referring to

isnt on Mydd

by sepulvedaj3 2008-05-02 08:11PM | 0 recs
Jedreport at 8:58 AM wrote in comments


jedreport  Today 08:58 AM

i can 100% vouch for the fact that nothing was dubbed in from the dvd. it is exactly what was on the dvd. there was a little bit of audio quality filtering, but that doesn't change what was said, just narrows the dynamic range and gets rid of background noise.

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/05/hillary -clinton.html

Go down the comments and you'll find what jedreport wrote. It is intriguing that he says that he can 100% vouch for the fact that nothing was dubbed in from the dvd...

by louisprandtl 2008-05-02 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Jedreport at 8:58 AM wrote in comments

I find it interesting that JedReport is commenting on this, and trying to make it sound authentic.

Certainly they are strong enough at posting videos to be a suspect as well.

by SluggoJD 2008-05-02 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls

I hadn't even heard about this video until this diary.  But I did enough searching to be completely convinced that it's both a) a fake and b) completely disingenuous.  There is no way a guy who apologizes for saying the word "sh@t" one moment is going to feel fine for saying the n-word the next.  Patently obvious to me that he never said it and the "shit" comment seems aimed at pollsters (?) I think.  

Anyway, I would hope you were involved in championing an attack on all the ridiculous people involved in fingergate?  That case was much more clear than this one and yet there were numerous Clintonistas saying "well, that second finger isn't totally extended" and "yeah, but that lady snickered so it means Obama hates Hillary."

You will have a lot of credibility with me if you attack all trolls, not just anti-Clinton ones.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-02 08:13PM | 0 recs
Ummm

Perhaps you should study Fingergate a little more.

by SluggoJD 2008-05-02 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Ummm

Haha, are you really implying that you believe Obama was flipping off Hillary?  Please tell me no.  Aside from the ridiculous notion that a sitting Senator would literally flip the bird to another sitting Senator who he WORKS WITH EVERY DAY, all while both are running for president and followed by dozens of cameras every day...the side angle video clearly shows that Obama was scratching his face with TWO fingers.  The case is closed on it.  

If you need to feel outraged about Obama, there are lots of other actually true things for you to be angry about (bittergate, Rev. Wright, Ayers, Rezko).  Don't demean yourself by trumping up something untrue.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-02 08:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Ummm

This diary has nothing to do with that.

So drop it.  Either pitch in and help, or go somewhere else!

by SluggoJD 2008-05-02 08:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Ummm

It just seems that by your own definition, trumpeting fingergate is a sign of a troll.  I would just love some reassurance that I'm not following the advice of a troll before I sign up.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-02 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Ummm

you would be.

by haystax calhoun 2008-05-02 09:33PM | 0 recs
Troll rated for high jacking the comments!

by macmcd 2008-05-02 08:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Troll rated for high jacking the comments!

Aww, did I bring up the ridiculous past of the original poster?  Aww, I'm sorry.  

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-03 06:16AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls - UPDATED

Good luck SluggoJD.

I'm an Obama fan, but I hate trolls and all deceptive practices.

One bit of caution though. People who are cyber goons may also be hackers and have traps set up. You may go to a website to investigate and end up getting your own computer hacked. I once got an e-mail that tried to download all my contacts and personal information.

Unless you really know computers, the trolls may hack you and do damage to your computer.

Just a cautiounary note. I admire your persistence. Good night and good luck.

by benjaminsp 2008-05-02 08:29PM | 0 recs
Thank you for that!

Good for you!  I love running into decent Obama supporters.  They exist, of course, in good numbers and thankfully balance out the ones who have spit on me (well, only one did that) or yelled profanities(many).  

by The Smoldering Crone 2008-05-03 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls - UPDATED


May 02, 2008
Categories: Hillary Clinton
By Ben Smith, Politico 12:12 PM

Pennebaker: Clip Doctored

I just spoke to D.A. Pennebaker, the director of "The War Room," who said his film had been doctored to produce a widely-viewed YouTube clip.

In a clip from his film on the 1992 Clinton campaign, posted to YouTube today, Clinton advisor Mickey Kantor is -- according to subtitles -- seen referring to Indiana residents with an expletive and to his colleague George Stephanopolous with a racial slur.

"He does not say that. He does not say that," said Pennebaker, after viewing the clip.

He said the initial expletive referred to the anticipated reaction in the Bush White House to the fact that Ross Perot's polling numbers were holding strong.

"What he says is he's surprised Perot's numbers are holding," said Pennebaker in a brief phone interview. "He says they must be shi**ing in the White House."

The second expletive, he said, appeared to have been entirely fabricated, with new audio dubbed onto the original movie.

Pennebaker appeared surprised and amused by the video.

"A thousand people saw that film in theaters and didn't think" the second expletive had been used, he said. "It's very clearly understandable. It's not like it was in Bulgarian."

In an earlier version posted yesterday, the clip was circulating with a subtitle indicating -- Pennebaker says inaccurately -- that Kantor had insulted Hoosiers; the racial slur appears to have been added to the second version.

The audio in both versions isn't clearly audible; it's possible that the subtitles are incorrect, but that the audio hasn't been deliberately altered.

UPDATE: I spoke to the editor of the video who said that he enhanced, but didn't alter, the audio in the second portion of the video.

By Ben Smith 12:12 PM

by benjaminsp 2008-05-02 08:41PM | 0 recs
I found another link to Scott

is this the same guy?

http://www.families.com/plutoniumx/info/

by TeresaInPa 2008-05-02 11:00PM | 0 recs
Re: I found another link to Scott

Teresa, that's the link I decided to remove in my second update.

There's no doubt that Politikewl is the first "person" to post the You Tube video.  Since it is a unique name online, we can find him all over the place, and know it's the same guy.

There's no doubt that "themartyred" at DU spread the video to DU within minutes after it first appeared.  Themartyred is also a unique name online.

But is DU's themartyred the same person as the owner of themartyred.com, Scott Dimeler?  I can't prove that - certainly "Precision Chaos" sounds sinister.

And is that link the correct Scott Dimeler?  No way for me to tell at this time.  It could be him...that guy certainly has the skills, but I didn't want this to turn into a witch hunt.

I'll keep working on it!

John

by SluggoJD 2008-05-03 08:25AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm declaring war on the trolls - UPDATED 2X

This is fascinating!  Keep going with it.  The more of these folks we shine a light on, the better.

by cjbardy 2008-05-03 08:03AM | 0 recs

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