Reid, Pelosi let Feingold twist in the wind

I don't like to say I told you so. But I told you so.

AP rounds up the day's (in)action from the Dem side:

Throughout the day, Feingold's fellow Democrats said they understood his frustration but they held back overt support for the resolution.

And - from their generalissimo - what one might have expected:

Asked at a news conference whether he would vote for the censure resolution, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada declined to endorse it and said he hadn't read it.


Feingold's censure resolution drew empathy but no outright support from Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi.

Pelosi "understands Sen. Feingold's frustration that the facts about the NSA domestic surveillance program have not been disclosed appropriately to Congress," her office said in a statement. "Both the House and the Senate must fully investigate the program and assign responsibility for any laws that may have been broken."

Best to treat this - as with all encounters with the Dem hierarchy - as a teachable moment...

Update [2006-3-13 21:44:44 by skeptic06]:

The Post has a classic piece of knife-work from the consultant class:

Several Democratic strategists said surveillance issues are not Bush's most vulnerable spot, and they fear the party may appear extremist. "It is more likely that a big censure fight would have the effect of rallying folks to his side," said one Democratic strategist and former Clinton aide. "While some in the Democratic base want retribution for what happened to Clinton," the adviser said, "I think there is a larger reluctance to try to remove people from office."

Smaller minds may nitpick such matters like censure has bugger all to do with removing people from office.

But the supreme arrogance and condescension towards lesser mortals can best be appreciated when viewed in the round. With a sickbag handy.

Tags: Censure Resolution, Feingold, Pelosi, Reid (all tags)



Re: Reid, Pelosi let Feingold twist in the wind

It is their leadership vacuum that Feingold is filling, their silence only increases the volume of his voice.

by blogswarm 2006-03-13 03:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Reid, Pelosi let Feingold twist in the wind

Let's just go ahead and quote a former Clinton aide.


Who wants retribution for what happened to Clinton?
And what does that mean?

I want retribution for our president breaking the law.

I wanted it when Clinton was in office. I want it now.


by phatass 2006-03-13 08:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Reid, Pelosi let Feingold twist in the wind

Me Too. I will never spend 20 million dollars on a dog and pony show when the censure tool is around. Break the law, get censured. That simple.

Bush has broken the law, flaunted it outright. I say, censure him NOW.

by turnerbroadcasting 2006-03-14 12:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Reid, Pelosi let Feingold twist in the wind

Censure, hell, Impeach the Motherfucker Already!

http://www.impeachthemotherfuckeralready .com/

by Feh 2006-03-14 05:07AM | 0 recs
Absolutely Incredible

"It is more likely that a big censure fight would have the effect of rallying folks to his side," said one Democratic strategist and former Clinton aide.

Exactly what demographic group of "folks" would Feingold's censure resolution rally? The O'Reilly crowd? I'm having tremendous difficulty even imagining any group that would rally to Bush's side in support of not informing Congress about secret programs to spy on American citizens.

At some point you have to begin wondering if the Democratic Party is capable of mustering even token political opposition to the GOP.

by Gary Boatwright 2006-03-13 10:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Absolutely Incredible

Boatwright, Americans today now believe that Bush is a complete failure. The lowest results of his approval ever recorded, were just recorded today.

Sen. Harry Reid is no dumb bunny - if he figures out that outright opposition to Bush, will clear the party of the "obstructionist" label once and for all - and win them the mantel of REFORM. He'll go for it.

He says he hasn't read it. Pelosi is out of the picture anyway, she's in the house, not the senate. This is GIVE EM HELL , HARRY  

Lets see what happens, I say, the resolution is entirely one day old now. Anyone who says its dead now , waving their hands around - is a coward.

by turnerbroadcasting 2006-03-14 12:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Absolutely Incredible

One thing I have begun to decipher is that the Dems may actually be using a tacit strategy of letting just one or two of their number do a cameo appearance of protest against each new Republican media regime outrage. Using the one or two Dems who can most easily afford to square their stand with their particular constituents.

Kennedy against the war, Kerry on Alito, now Feingold on censure for the illegal privacy invasions, etc. That way, It's never just a story about "obstructionist" Dems. Each new outrage merely gets howled at by a new lone-wolf hero.

by blues 2006-03-14 12:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Absolutely Incredible

If so, it's an utterly useless strategy, given the Republican ownership (in multiple senses of the word) of traditional media. Harry really doesn't seem to get it. Good cop/bad cop isn't going to work in this century, if it ever did. I'm really surprised, but I guess I shouldn't be.

When will DC dems wake the fuck up? They seem determined to throw away their best electoral opportunity in the last 50 years. It's being handed to them on a silver platter, and they're knocking it away.

by lightyearsfromhome 2006-03-14 06:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Absolutely Incredible

I should clarify: the obstructionist label is going to be placed on the Democrats no matter what they do. It doesn't matter. DC Dems need to grow thicker skins, because people want to hear them stand up for their beliefs, and the Republicans will slime them when they do so. GOP SOP.

The number one reason Kerry failed in 2004 was that he wasn't seen as a stand-up guy. The reality didn't matter, it was the perception that he perpetuated by failing to defend himself at numerous points, by seeming to equivocate at many points, by failing to present a passionate embrace of anything.

For that matter, Clinton might have failed for some of the same reasons in 1992 if Perot hadn't split the wingnut vote. Even though Clinton had more intuitive grasp than Kerry.

by lightyearsfromhome 2006-03-14 06:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Absolutely Incredible

Well, lightyearsfromhome, you do have a valid point.

Lately, I begin to see that the politicians really have very little to do with what's going on.


We really, really need a whole big new gigantic blog 99% dedicated to monkey shit smearing the ever-deceitful Tucker Carlsons, et al.

Just think, every day, a riotous free-for-all, demolishing another big psyop, scumbag, talking ass of the self-annointed CRYPTO-SADO-NEOCON MEDIA REGIME!

by blues 2006-03-14 04:55PM | 0 recs
Its the Accountability, Stupid...

Why is it only obvious to the netroot-erati that censure is more about doing something to hold this administration accountable for its actions than just 'getting along' so the Dems aren't seen as 'obstructionist'...

This is an unchecked, runaway administration doing its best to neuter the legislative branch -- and our congresscritters are mostly sitting on their hands.

Throw the bums out works both ways unless the public sees an alternative. If Dems wait until November to give them one, its too late.

by musicsleuth 2006-03-14 07:03AM | 0 recs
Slate had it wrong. It should have been 2 STOOGES

Pelosi is one dumb woman. How tough is it for this person to get her staff to do some research and come up with examples that people can relate to where the President can operate within the law and still nab terrorists?

Democrats made the same dumb mistake during Abu Ghraib. It was tough for the public to muster real outrage(despite the majority disapproval) of the torture because the democrats failed to produce good examples of how innocent people get tortured and how severe the torture really was(most people still think it was some scapegoat like Lyndie England having some fun with a few rough Iraquis while most seem ignorant of people like the poor innocent guy who got sent to Syria and was tortured much more severely).

by Pravin 2006-03-14 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Reid, Pelosi let Feingold twist in the wind

they let Russ twist and thety criticize Howard Dean.  You gotta wonder if these people are all on the same side sometimes.  

PS... cool new blog add for Chris Carney.
But then I am partial, he is running in my district and I have been volunteering for him..

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2006-03-14 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Reid, Pelosi let Feingold twist in the wind

I would have liked to see Feingold get more support, but if Feingold wanted a lot of support for this, wouldn't he have talked to people about it in advance and found out how much support he would have for it?  I don't believe Feingold did this as a "stunt," but I do believe that, given the way he handled this, the reaction shouldn't be expected.  Frist's attempt to force a vote was just Sean Hannity politics: "Do you agree with this resolution? Yes or no?  YES OR NO, Senator Colmes?"

As to why a lot of Democratic Senators won't come out for it (yet): let's face it, a lot of them aren't paying that much attention to anything and don't really understand the issue.  They can't openly say that Bush broke the law because they don't really understand why the program is illegal.  Those few Senators who do understand the issue either denounce the illegality (Feingold) or try to cover the President's ass (Specter). But leave us face the facts here: you talk to any random Republican or Democratic senator and they probably won't be able to explain exactly what it is the President has done.  

by maestroanonymo 2006-03-14 08:21AM | 0 recs
Dems - The Insanity Definition

Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

I think the most disgusting thing about the Democratic Party is that they not only abdicate their responsibility of representing their constituents they don't even represent the majority of Americans that they say that they are reaching out to. After all, don't the majority of Americans favor impeachment?

Who do they (the Democratic leaders) think  are kidding?  I finally understand first hand what taxation without representation actually means.

Senator Feingold you have my vote.

by misscee 2006-03-14 09:21AM | 0 recs


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