Obama camp cracking?

Well - New kind of politics my ass!

Another sign of the anger in Obamaland at the Clinton campaign: an email from a member of Obama's LGBT leadership council, Maxim Thorne, to a couple of listservs:

"We cannot tolerate her lies and stolen election," Thorne wrote of Clinton, revisiting familiar themes:

   At 3am, Hillary said she and Bill were in bed and she knows of all the calls a President gets at different times of the day and night. Really? So much involvement - so much togetherness. Where was she when Monica was having sex with Bill? 35 years of experience? When he was intimidating Katherine Wiley and Paula Jones? Where was the judgment on the cattle futures and white water. Do we forget Mark and Denise Rich? This was an impeached President who lost his license to practice law. He committed perjury. They settled with Paula Jones for the full amount of her lawsuit. I haven't forgotten and none of us should.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 308/Obama_backer_Clinton_lies_and_stolen _election.html

UNHINGED!

UPDATE: Maxim Thorne has resigned. FYI - I posted this right as class ended, and just got back home.

Tags: Barack Obama, Campaign advisors, Hillary Clinton (all tags)

Comments

80 Comments

cookie jar

comments, slams, accusations of racism - shoot

by sepulvedaj3 2008-03-11 03:36PM | 0 recs
Re: cookie jar

You aren't a racist, but your girl's supporter, Ferraro, sure as hell is!  Shows all kinds of character that Hillary hasn't kicked her to the curb... unfortunately its not the GOOD kind of character.  Amazing how fast they were to condemn Powers yet Ferraro, who made a much worse comment, isn't fire-worthy.

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-11 05:00PM | 0 recs
Is Geraldine Ferraro

a staffer on Clinton's campaign, or is she just a supporter?

by georgiapeach 2008-03-11 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Is Geraldine Ferraro

Ferraro is a big fundraiser and part of Clinton's Finance Committee.  

So, I guess that counts as "staffer."

by freedom78 2008-03-11 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: cookie jar

I am totally floored that they are resorting to these type of direct below the belt attacks.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-11 05:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

krazy!

by Thomas J Jefferson 2008-03-11 03:37PM | 0 recs
where did they find this joker?

I'll bet this person is a log cabin republican.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-11 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: where did they find this joker?

LOL!  Great minds think alike!

by Si Ella Puede 2008-03-11 03:41PM | 0 recs
Re: where did they find this joker?

I think it's really Andrew Sullivan.

by LakersFan 2008-03-11 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: where did they find this joker?

WOW! That's a low blow.  Log cabin republican.  Do you know what they stand for?

by bradydundee 2008-03-11 05:40PM | 0 recs
Log Cabin Republican?

This LGBT person sounds like a member of the Log Cabin Republicans.

Not surprised if that is the case.

by Si Ella Puede 2008-03-11 03:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Log Cabin Republican?

That person was the head of Obama's GLBT Leadership Council.

by americanincanada 2008-03-11 03:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Log Cabin Republican?

the head ?

by Thomas J Jefferson 2008-03-11 03:46PM | 0 recs
She resigned

"These comments have no place in this campaign," said Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor, who couldn't immediately say whether Thorne would be leaving his position with the campaign.

UPDATE: Vietor said Thorne is resigning from the leadership council, and that the campaign has accepted his resignation.
link

While the Clinton camp continues their race baiting tactics:


Geraldine Ferraro digs in, engages in more flagrant race-baiting.
by Geekesque
Tue Mar 11, 2008

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-03-11 03:42PM | 0 recs
You know what?

Why not try linking to an actual article instead of a biased dkos diary?

by kevin22262 2008-03-11 03:45PM | 0 recs
Readers can judge

the DK post (that I gave to link to) for themselves, and it gives links to the sources.

Here are quotes of Ferraro:


Ferraro's take 1:

If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.

Ferraro's take 2:

"Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up," Ferraro said. "Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white. How's that?"

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-03-11 03:55PM | 0 recs
These

race baiting charges are getting ridiculous!

The crap that both of the Obamas fed into and let fester, concerning Bill Clinton and all the supposed race baiting crap prior to SC, was also a form of race baiting.

CAN WE ALL Please STOP this Racist and Sexist CRAP!?

The Clintons are NOT and NEVER have been racist!

As Ferraro said in the quote you mention:

"Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down (I am assuming she means the Obama campaign) and says let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up," Ferraro said. "Racism works in two different directions.

And I believe it was Farrakhan who said "that white people can be racist against blacks, but blacks are never racist against whites" .. or something like that.

I am SO SICK of racism and sexism in all of its forms!

by kevin22262 2008-03-11 04:25PM | 0 recs
Ferraro is shameless to race AND gender bait

and belittle Obma with: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position." "He happens to be very lucky to be who he is."

These remarks are DISGUSTING.

Obama is a highly qualified individual, has more elective office experience (11 yrs) than either Ferraro had (6 yrs) when she ran as the VP nominee or Hillary Clinton now (7 yrs).

The lifetime experience of Obama that Hillary Clinton and Ferraro have dismissed and denigrated is 46 years long, with 20 of them in public service:


Obama's Lifetime Experience: includes
  1. an outstanding education (including serving as the first AA president of Harvard law review)
  2. a good family
  3. work as a community organizer and a civil rights attorney (which he took up rejecting lucrative jobs)
  4. teaching constitutional law
  5. 8 years as an IL state senator
  6. 3 years as a US senator
  7. strong, meaningful and productive legislative accomplishments which include work/bills/results on healthcare, poverty, crime, civil rights, ethics reform, the environment, procuring loose nukes, helping strife-ridden Congo populace, etc. And a progressive voting record.
  8. strong opposition to the war. Not only with his speech in Oct'02 but also in striving all the way through March 2003 to prevent an invasion of Iraq. Link

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-03-11 04:38PM | 0 recs
Curious

do you mainly link to Dkos diaries?

by kevin22262 2008-03-11 04:39PM | 0 recs
God, and I came here specifically to avoid KOS...

he and his blog have truly jumped the shark. It's really going to be ironic to see how their constant flying the racism flag will ensure Obama loses if he is the nominee. No way does America need or want this kind of racial hypersensitivity to be governing their lives for the next 4 years. They are sowing the seeds of their own destruction.

by berkshiretrueblue 2008-03-12 02:30PM | 0 recs
Interesting

he has 46 years of "experience" when he is just 46 years old? By the way, that is the same age I am.

So being born, spitting up, pooping and peeing in a diaper, learning to talk and walk, coloring on the walls, puberty, teenage angst, and so much more is part of his 46 years of "experience"?

ok...

by kevin22262 2008-03-11 04:43PM | 0 recs
'lifetime of experience' is everything
you experience in your life. Hillary Clinton didn't seem to think his lifetime existed for anything other than his 2002 speech when she insulted him (while praising McCain):

I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002," Clinton says.
Link
by NeuvoLiberal 2008-03-11 04:46PM | 0 recs
First off

that was not praise for mccain. It is showing a contrast in experience. It does not point out what kind of experience and if it was good or bad.

The last part about the speech was just politics. Obama has said things also to try and diminish Hillary Clintons appeal and qualifications.

by kevin22262 2008-03-11 04:51PM | 0 recs
One other thing

Ferraro is not the one running for office, so her experience does not play in this debate.

by kevin22262 2008-03-11 04:44PM | 0 recs
Clinton should fire her

"Ferraro is not the one running for office, so her experience does not play in this debate."

We're looking what she said. Of course, it matters what her own experience is.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-03-11 04:49PM | 0 recs
No it does not

If you or I say that O or C have or do not have "experience" and we lack the experience they have, how does that reflect on either campaign or on the candidates? We are not the ones running for office, so it would be silly to compare "our" experience to theirs.

by kevin22262 2008-03-11 04:54PM | 0 recs
Re: These

Kevin... I know you aren't truly that stupid or ignorant to defend Ferraro.  Seriously, she stepped over the line and needs to go.  If Hillary doesn't have the class to do it, then she doesn't deserve to be President... her failure to act puts her into Bush territory.

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-11 05:06PM | 0 recs
No

I am not stupid or ignorant. Thanks anyway.

I do think she let her anger at how the "racism" argument only seems to go in one direction when it has obviously been swinging from both sides.

So with that in mind, I may have said the same type of thing. To be fair, I would probably ask her to step down.

But, as we all know, most of these people still are "working" for the campaigns, even Powers. They are just not "officially" working for them anymore.

by kevin22262 2008-03-11 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: You know what?

Good Point.  Let's see honest written material

by bradydundee 2008-03-11 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: She resigned

A un-biased source will buttress your arguments in the future.

by Si Ella Puede 2008-03-11 03:49PM | 0 recs
Re: She resigned

Can you post the actual link of that abhoring Thorne resigning instead of Dkos link? I know you love to spend time there but I dont click on anything DKos:-)

by Sandeep 2008-03-11 04:20PM | 0 recs
Here is the link you should visit:

link

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-03-11 04:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Here is the link you should visit:

Thanks for sharing the link and proving what a total hypocrite you are:-)

If you believe in all that, I am worried about you. And if you believe plus claim to be Obama supporter, I am worried about Obama.

by Sandeep 2008-03-11 06:10PM | 0 recs
when is Hillary Clinton dropping out?
The Clinton camp has been trying to ghettoize Obama since December. Here is a catalog that compiles 45 incidents and most of them are incendiary race baiting.

clintonattacksobama | Incident Tracker

The Clinton campaign is one of the most disgusting political campaigns we have ever seen.
by NeuvoLiberal 2008-03-11 04:29PM | 0 recs
Re: when is Hillary Clinton dropping out?

I am just wondering is the BO campaign going to fire Farrakhan.  If you think that statement is nonsense then why is HRC responsible for what Ferrero said???

david

by giusd 2008-03-11 04:59PM | 0 recs
Clinton campaigned ghettoized Obama
for months. Their disgusting tactics are catalogued here:
clintonattacksobama | Incident Tracker
by NeuvoLiberal 2008-03-11 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

Ugly, and the Obama campaign has accepted Thorne's resignation.

by mady 2008-03-11 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

And wouldn't it be nice if the Clinton campaign did the same with Gerry Ferraro, no?

by mady 2008-03-11 04:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

Does Ferraro work for the clinton campaign and if so what does she make, after taxes.  And after she is fired does she get unemployment for the job she doesnt get paid for.  Does she have to clean out her desk she doesnt have?

david

by giusd 2008-03-11 05:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

Samantha Powers was unpaid.  She had to resign for calling Clinton a Monster.  Ferraro says something racist, not once, but twice, and she's still working in the campaign.  Clearly the standard of Clinton's campaign is not as high as that of Obama's.

by shalca 2008-03-11 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

what specifically was racist and why.

by Thomas J Jefferson 2008-03-11 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

Obama has integrity though.  Team Billary obviously lacks that.  Between Wolfson and Ferraro, she is getting worse and more desperate.  

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-11 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

Funny how when ever the race gets close we hear all these racists charges.  First, there was the darkening of the video.  Second, there was the "the 3 am ad was really racist.  Third, BO only lost OH because of the racist voters. And finally, HRC is responsible for Ferrero.

Boy the word racists sure has a lot of more meanings than it used to.  I wonder, if you are a democract and voted for HRC does that make you a racists too.  If is interesting that the Clinton's who have done 10x more on civil rights that BO are suddenly racist.  Am i the only one who finds this really interesting and hard to believe????

david

by giusd 2008-03-11 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

its a disgrace

by Thomas J Jefferson 2008-03-11 05:28PM | 0 recs
It's hard to wrap my head aorund

their twisted "logic". So, all you have to do to prove you're not "racist" is to vote for the AA guy-if you do anything else or point out any deficiency in said guy's experience, you are, ergo, a racist. Actual accomplishments advancing civil rights is not pertinent all that matters is that you support Obama NOW. Hilary is not supporting Obama so thus, everything she and anyone she knows says, thinks and does is labeled "racist".  Nothing Obama or his supporters do is admitted to having anything to do with race-they are above and beyond race and yet conversly see everything as a racial attack.

What I really hate is how this will lose us the GE as there is no way America is signing on for 4 years of racial hypersensitivity governing this country. The Republicans will exploit this to their benefit, as well they should, because it's ridiculous

by berkshiretrueblue 2008-03-12 02:45PM | 0 recs
by sepulvedaj3 2008-03-11 03:42PM | 0 recs
UPDATE

"These comments have no place in this campaign," said Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor, who couldn't immediately say whether Thorne would be leaving his position with the campaign.

UPDATE: Vietor said Thorne is resigning from the leadership council, and that the campaign has accepted his resignation.

by kevin22262 2008-03-11 03:43PM | 0 recs
Re: UPDATE

Yep.  Now if only Hillary had the class to chastise Wolfson for the BS Starr comment and to fire Ferraro.  But obviously, she isn't that kind of classy person.

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-11 05:03PM | 0 recs
Obama has a LGBT leadership council?

Who knew? And where were when the whole McClurkin mess went down? And when Kirbyjohn Caldwell popped up? The time for them to speak was then, not now.

Why all the right wing talking points?

by DaleA 2008-03-11 03:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

Sickening and shameful. One has to wonder what kind of atmosphere Obama is fostering within his campaign.

by americanincanada 2008-03-11 03:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

look anywhere on the web to answer that one.

by Thomas J Jefferson 2008-03-11 03:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

LOL A great one!!

I am gonna send this to SNL.

Q: What kind of atmosphere Obama is fostering within his campaign?

A: Look anywhere on the web to answer that one.

You look anywhere and "most of" his supporters are spewing hatred and making Bush-Cheney lite remarks.

by Sandeep 2008-03-11 04:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

We learned from the best... The Clintons!  They taught us well.

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-11 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

LOL A great one!!

I am gonna send this to SNL.

Q: What kind of atmosphere Obama is fostering within his campaign?

A: Look anywhere on the web to answer that one.

You look anywhere and "most of" his supporters are spewing hatred and making Bush-Cheney lite remarks.

by Sandeep 2008-03-11 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

Clean up your own mess before you blame others! He at least does, this guy is gone. Ferraro, however, is still talking BS on FOX NEWS!

by marcotom 2008-03-11 03:57PM | 0 recs
Where's Axelrod after Claiming

Hillary was responsible for Benazir Bhutto's death?

Where's Jesse Jackson III after claiming that Hillary "didn't cry for Hurricane Katrina victims."

P.S. she and Bill Clinton raised millions and worked to change role of FEMA.

Clean up your house before going on with the race baiting again-- because if Jesse Jackson III wasn't worthy of dismissal who is?

by chieflytrue 2008-03-11 06:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

"These comments have no place in this campaign," said Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor, who couldn't immediately say whether Thorne would be leaving his position with the campaign."

UPDATE: Vietor said Thorne is resigning from the leadership council, and that the campaign has accepted his resignation.

From Politico.

by mady 2008-03-11 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

Well, he's already resigned.  LOL!

by Si Ella Puede 2008-03-11 03:48PM | 0 recs
Ken Starr, is that you?

by Rumarhazzit 2008-03-11 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

Why don't you mention that this guy was forced to resign immediately? Ah... you want to stir the flames a bit more, don't you!

Where is the Ferraro resignation, by the way?

by marcotom 2008-03-11 03:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

IMO from you means so much bias that it amounts to nothing, really.

by marcotom 2008-03-11 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

Okay, we've established that both sides have supporters who say really dumb things. Maybe we can call a truce again?

by OrangeFur 2008-03-11 04:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

Ha, that was almost exactly the comment I was going to post.  Except for the truce part, because I think there's no hope of that!

by Steve M 2008-03-11 04:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

Agreed. It's stupid for each campaign to make the other accountable for every stupid thing their supporters say.

On the other hand, there comes a time when you wonder whether a campaign is giving a wink and a nod to outrageous statements and rumors. Still, this has gone too far.

The temperature is getting cranked up on this primary. It's the only prayer Hillary has of turning things around. It's an awful long time to Pennsylvania.

by alvernon 2008-03-11 04:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

Well, maybe Clinton is giving a wink and a nod to what Ferraro said.  Or maybe Obama is giving a wink and a nod to what Jesse Jackson Jr. said, or that Spanish-language ad in Nevada that said "Hillary doesn't respect our people."

To partisans of one side or the other it's always going to look like a wink and a nod is being given.  It's only human to assume the worst.  That's why both sides need to keep back from the precipice.

by Steve M 2008-03-11 04:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

Quite honestly, I think this is a sentiment shared by the vast majority of people who do not support Hillary.

by highgrade 2008-03-11 04:40PM | 0 recs
BS

You base this on what? The rabid O supporters you hang with?

I would not make a blanket statement like that about Obama.

by kevin22262 2008-03-11 04:46PM | 0 recs
Re: BS

I didn't say Obama thought that - I think many of his supporters do. I'm sorry to break it to you but half of the country essentially despises your candidate. It may not be her fault - in fact, I'm sure she gets way too much blame - but it's the truth.  

by highgrade 2008-03-11 05:09PM | 0 recs
haha

First off, I never made any statement that noted Obama said anything. Read what I wrote in context with what you wrote.

Your "opinion" that half the country "despises" Hillary Clinton is nonsense. They both have close to a 50/50 split in the popular vote right now. Does that mean 50% "despise" Obama?

Both of them are drawing from wide swaths of the party and either of them will gain the support of the majority of those people and more in the GE.

Most of the "hate" for Hillary comes from the righties and rightwing talk radio, much of this has been going on for YEARS. It also comes from people like you continuing to spew rightie talking points as fact.

by kevin22262 2008-03-11 05:20PM | 0 recs
ADMIINS!

BAN THIS PERSON!

by Thomas J Jefferson 2008-03-11 05:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

uhm..

ehem...

uh--- the quote in this diary sounds just like Rush Limbaugh.

The comments about President and Senator Clinton sound just like something you'd hear on Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity.

Am I to understand that they came from a Senator Obama supporter?

Really?

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-03-11 04:53PM | 0 recs
Obama couldn't wait a few years to learn about

foreign policy. He had to be president NOW because he was told to strike while the iron is hot regardless of the fact that he isn't ready yet. He has milked the Iraq vote for all its worth and more.

He can't differentiate himself from Clinton on senate votes because they are virtually the same. So, he had to pretend that he is the political Mesiah, he will do things in a different way. Well of course that's bullshit. He threw the mud first, saying that Clinton will say or do anything to get elected. He then played the race card over and over again.

In the process he has trashed a Democrat who is ready and the last and only living Democratic president.

Now Obama's and Clinton's supporters hate each other and would rather see McCain win then their Democratic rival.

If Obama plays his cards right he could be president some day. But he and his supporters will probably F%#k it up with their extreme over-confidence. Regardless of the polls and the money advantage, at this point I believe John McCain will be the next president of the United States.

by mmorang 2008-03-11 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama couldn't wait a few years to learn about

AND THEY CALL HER "POLARIZING"?

by Thomas J Jefferson 2008-03-11 05:40PM | 0 recs
this is him

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by Thomas J Jefferson 2008-03-11 05:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

That's two. ;)

by Nobama 2008-03-11 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

CNN showed Obama picture which was darker than usual. We need to alert Kos and some Obama supporters about it. Can someone help? Look at the current picture on cnn website before Kos gets it changed.

by Sandeep 2008-03-11 06:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?
LOL, CNN is racist trash.
by sricki 2008-03-11 07:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?
Thorne's griping about Bill, but he's cool with Obama's pal McClurkin? WTF?
by sricki 2008-03-11 07:13PM | 0 recs
Could be a trap

Obama surrogate making extreme comment about Hillary seems to happen with remarkable regularity.  In fact, it happens so often that it almost seems calculated: Obama surrogate makes an outrageous comment and then quits the campaign.

It started with David Geffen's famous quote last year:

"Everybody in politics lies, but they [the Clinton's] do it with such ease, it's troubling."

Samantha Power's reference to Hillary the "monster" also falls into the pattern.

The problem is that these extreme comments, while roundly criticized, also hit home.  Even while reflecting poorly on the Obama campaign, they also tarnish Hillary.

Last week's dust-up over who is ready to be Commander-in-Chief is a perfect example.  On March 5, Susan Rice said that neither Obama nor Hillary was ready to take that 3 a.m. call.  Hillary responded the next day that she and McCain were ready, but its not clear whether Obama is.

Hillary was pilloried for her assessment.  Even though Susan Rice's comment was just as damaging as Hillary's, it was dismissed as an Obama mis-step.

By my calculation, Hillary has a habit of over-playing her cards.  Obama knows it.  So they send these surrogates out to make these outrageous comments.  The surrogate may or may not survive the ordeal.  The Obama campaign gets a bit of bad press in the process.  But Hillary always seems to get the worst of it.  Either the characterization of Hillary, however extreme, resonates with the press and some voters or Hillary over-reacts and turns an advantage against herself.

A couple of weeks ago, Maureen Dowd reported on an incident between Hillary and Obama that took place when they ran into each other on the tarmac.  Obama tried to apologize for one of these slights and Hillary really lost it.  Dowd described her as flapping her arms.  Obama tried to calm her, but that just infuriated her the more.

I don't know whether this incident occurred as Dowd reported it.  But Obama found out that Hillary has a bit of a temper.  That's a vulnerability which I believe that the Obama campaign has learned to exploit.

by dbrown04 2008-03-11 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp cracking?

They are cracking all right.  They are:

1) Cracking eggs for a nice, tasty victory omlette. 1 egg for every net delegate.  Thats one big omlette!

2) Cracking smiles as they realize that the nomination JUST GOT closer.

3) Cracking open refreshing beverages, and making reservations in Denver.

I hope y'all are able to come back into the fold happily when this is over.  If not, I pray that you have support groups and counselling available. I really, honestly fear for some of you.

by a gunslinger 2008-03-12 05:59AM | 0 recs

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