Bill Gates Busted - Microsoft Lies to Press/Congress

Cross posted at Dailykos

Bill Gates has been busted in a big fat lie and we've got the statistics to prove it.

Last year, Microsoft founder Bill Gates told Washington Post columnist David Broder that the types of people they were bringing in on H-1B Visas, are:


Highly paid, highly qualified individuals. Salaries for these jobs at Microsoft start at about $100,000 a year.
Their counterparts can be hired more cheaply in China or India, he said, but Microsoft does 85 percent of its research and development work in the United States because it wants its computer scientists interacting directly with its program managers and its marketing people on its own campus.

Gates was pounding the halls of Congress at time of this interview, demanding more H-1B Visas along with the ITAA.

Unfortunately for Bill Gates, when a Corporation sponsors a green card, they must publish the actual salary along with the application.

Microsoft Green Card Application Salaries

From the graph above and the table below, only 3.3%, or 40 employees, of the 1202 total green card applications submitted by Microsoft had wages above $100k.

In fact, more applications, 8.3%, or 92 employees, were paid salaries below $60k.  Most of the jobs titles of  the 1202 applications were Software Engineer, an entry level job indicator.

The median salary for all was $71k, well below the $100k that Bill Gates touted in his claim of a great shortage of "talent" in America (read cheap, controllable and young).

The job title "Software Engineer" is an entry level job position, such a role would never be given to the level of expertise that Bill Gates claims he is obtaining through his cheap labor H-1B Visa.


   
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
Salary# of Emp.    Cum. %
5000000.00%
5500080.67%
60k928.32%
65k16622.13%
70k25143.01%
75k27065.47%
80k18080.45%
85k9988.69%
90k4692.51%
95k2394.43%
99.99k2796.67%
105k1998.25%
110k898.92%
115k299.08%
120k499.42%
125k399.67%
130k199.75%
135k099.75%
135k+3100.00%

My question is, how come we, the bloggers, have to do David Broder's, Dean of Political Reporters as claimed by Tim Russert,  job and research the actual facts versus publish the propaganda spewing from Bill Gates mouth as he demands Congress meet his cheap labor vehicle demands?

Is it because when Bill Gates, the richest guy in the world, demands more cheap labor vehicles, he gets them, like a feudal lord would if he demands a head on a platter?

Tags: Arbitrage, Bill Gates, H-1B, Labor, microsoft (all tags)

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10 Comments

Immigration creates jobs

The whole issue that's missing from this debate is that immigration of intelligent people actually creates more jobs than it consumes. More people doesn't mean fewer jobs -- if the US were to suddenly combine with Canada and Western Europe, the number of jobs would remain more or less constant, despite the increased population. Some people create jobs (by expanding the economy), and some people consume jobs. The types of people who immigrate under these visas, even if their income is "only" $71k, are intelligent enough to start businesses or manage growing divisions of businesses. They're also willing to immigrate, so they are risk-takers (and likely entrepreneurs). The way the US got to be the richest country in the world was precisely through inventors, most of whom were smart, risk-taking immigrants. We invented every major invention of the past 100+ years (transistors, integrated circuits, televisions, airplanes, nuclear, modern automobiles, arguably radios, computers, etc.). If the rest of the world wanted the technology, they had to come to us, and we charged a premium. Continuing the creative brain drain is essential to sustaining our economy. The shortage of jobs isn't caused by immigrants. It's caused by the rest of the world closing the innovation gap. This was partially done by changes outside of the US to encourage innovation, and partially by changes in the US to discourage it (cutting back on bringing in intelligent inventors being one of them; cutbacks on university R&D and government research being another; a large number of laws that discourage small businesses being a third).

With the closing innovation gap, we also have some choices about how to respond. Until we can make our employees significantly better than Indians again, development work will be done in India and other parts of the developing world. It's mostly a question of whether those Indians will be developing for Indian-owned or US-owned businesses, and whether they will be developing in the US or abroad. Personally, I'd much rather bring the smart people here. If I can't, I'd rather they at least work for US companies.

by cypherpunks 2007-02-08 03:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Immigration creates jobs

Can you give me just ONE instance where immigration can create new jobs?   Perhaps in a very indirecct way...  but I can then tell you why it won't help ME if you DO find an example of this...

I know the most favorite is that Indian programmers are going to spend money on American goods...  how can that help ME?   I don't manufacture goods,  I develop software...  are indians going to buy my software?  It's like trying to sell a snowball to an eskimo.

by jdcrunchman 2007-02-08 09:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Bill Gates Busted - Microsoft Lies to Press/Co

I think Bill probably mis-stated salary. If you look at the total compensation for each employee, I'm sure the average is at least 100k. Beyond salary, there is:

- yearly bonus

  • 401k matching
  • employee stock purchasing plan
  • medical coverage
  • gym membership
  • etc...

I don't care much for MSFT, but this is a pretty weak argument, imho.

by exmsft 2007-02-08 06:18AM | 0 recs
This is not "immigration"

These are NIVs or non-immigrant Visas and the statistics are overwhelming that they are used as a labor arbitrage, age discrimination vehicle.

This is real compensation.  Microsoft is one of the best employers but these salaries are well below the median for this type of work, nationally.

by Robert Oak 2007-02-08 08:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Bill Gates Busted - Microsoft Lies to Press/Co

As an unemployed programmer, among many thousands of highly skilled programmers,  and spending 45 years learning and developing my skills,  I just cannot believe Bill Gate's greed.  

Every Indian programmer coming over here is going to displace yet another American job.

I know at least 20 programmers who have lost their homes, cars and sometimes families because they've been replaced by outsourcing and NRI's (Non Resident Indians).

This has GOT to stop,  or America is just going to become a 3rd world country really soon.

Please write to your elected official and voice your disgust with these greedy actions these large corporations are engaged in.

I used to be getting $120/hour as a programmer (contract), and now I have to significantly reduce my rates just to be competitive.  Many others are following me.

It takes many years of struggling through our broken education system to learn the skills necessary in todays damand for higher quality software,  and yet MIcrosoft has more holes in their system then swiss cheeze...   so not only is this causing massive loss of jobs, but inferior software code allowing spammers and phishers to steal our identity.  And the amount Bill Gates is claiming is JUST PLAIN WRONG.  Indian programmers make nowhere near 100k a year.

I've been in India in 1999.  I've seen and reviewed one of the many thousands of Programming trade schools dotted all over Mumbai and Bangalore. Do WE have subsidized tradeschools to educate OUR programmers?  Of course not,  but why don't we give tax breaks to companies who setup trade schools for educating new incoming American programmers?  And can I go over to India and work as a programmer?   No Way Jose!!!   The Indian government is NOT playing on a level field... and the ONLY way I can work over there is to first be working for an American firm and be luckey enough to be sent over there for work.  But can an Indian come over here and work?   Of course.

We really have to bring back our American programmers again.... Most are working for K-Mart or other major retailers making a fifth of what they used to make.

Under Clinton,  there was a reasonable restriction on the number of H1B's issued per year - as I recall,  it was about 95,000 a year...  now I can go to Graigslist and look until I'm blue in the face,  but only find highly specialized programming jobs (Ironically programming in languages that work ONLY under Windows).

John

by jdcrunchman 2007-02-08 09:22AM | 0 recs
by liaozhi123 2007-10-15 10:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Bill Gates Busted - Microsoft Lies to Press/Co

Unemployment level increase in major part of world due to increasing population. Developed countries hire workers from 3rd world countries and saves their wealth. Because underdeveloped countries immigrants agreed to work for developed countries in that salary which they agreed to gives. They get no more salary in their homeland due to currency conversion. After the research (www.http://www.biolexis.com/ ) we guess that this immigrants level increase too much in the near future. According to Bill gates, the salary they agreed to give to the immigrants is reasonable. they get too much work from the employers in the reasonable salary and earn a lot.

by aaaaa 2007-10-29 11:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Bill Gates Busted - Microsoft Lies to Press/Co

Unemployment level increase in major part of world due to increasing population. Developed countries hire workers from 3rd world countries and saves their wealth. Because underdeveloped countries immigrants agreed to work for developed countries in that salary which they agreed to gives. They get no more salary in their homeland due to currency conversion. After the research (www.http://www.biolexis.com/ ) we guess that this immigrants level increase too much in the near future. According to Bill gates, the salary they agreed to give to the immigrants is reasonable. they get too much work from the employers in the reasonable salary and earn a lot.

by aaaaa 2007-10-30 12:03AM | 0 recs
Microsoft Lies to Press/Co

He's not lying though. These are the base salaries. Generally, offers for entry level positions come with stock options and a 0-20% expected bonus. If you sum up all the value, it comes out to about $100k. SDETs get paid about $10k less per year, according to everyone I've talked to on the issue.Again, according to everyone I spoke with while working there, $80k per year is consistent with the base starting salary for an SDE. Most people could expect to receive on average about a quarter of the value again in stock options , bonus, online stock trading and perks. Most of the people I worked with were green card or H1-B holders. This article proves nothing.

by timada 2008-02-25 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Bill Gates Busted - Microsoft Lies to Press/Co

I wonder if online stock trading for Microsoft will be affected by this discovery. In my opinion, this is just dust in wind because Bill Gates does not really care about cheap labor vehicles.

by tiberiu 2008-02-26 06:51AM | 0 recs

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