You Didn't See This Coming?

Yeah.  You're worried.  You're concerned.  The national polling doesn't look too good.  Obama's down in Ohio in the newest Rasmussen.  The Republicans are getting cocky.  The media's not pushing back very hard.  Hell, the Republicans are acting like they might actually win this thing, and they've not done that before.

You're starting to have doubts.  You're actually imagining what a McCain administration might look like.  You're maybe resigning yourself to focusing on some House races that matter to you.  Hell, we've survived the last eight years...life goes on, doesn't it?

SNAP OUT OF THAT SHIT.

What, you didn't see this coming?  You thought there wouldn't be bad days?  Did you somehow imagine a perfect victory without strife, suffering, or reversals?  Lordy lordy, we really are the party of dreamers.

Of course John McCain will have some good days, and of course Barack Obama will have some bad days.  The RNC just happened.  This is very probably John McCain's ceiling.  His party is as eager as they will likely ever be.

I am very nearly every bit as confident as I was two months ago.  The fundamentals are ours.  We own the economy, folks.  The overwhelming majority of Americans think we're on the wrong track.  Tons of folks are skittish about their own personal finances.  Unemployment is up.  The feds are nationalizing Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.  Jumpin' Jesus, what more do you want?  An engraved invitation?

We are going to win.  Chill the fuck out.  Bad days happen.  Check back with me in 10 days or so, maybe two weeks.  I ain't worried until the polls (and the voters) have had a little time to digest what they've learned.

All we need are the Kerry states, Iowa, New Mexico, and Colorado.  We do not need Ohio or Florida, though I expect we'll probably win one of those states.  John McCain needs a clean sweep of the swing states.  Barack Obama just needs a few.  There are many roads to 270 EV's, and Senator Obama is doing just fine in those state polls.  Just fine.  Virginia, New Hampshire, Montana, North Dakota, and even North Carolina look pretty damned interesting at this point.  We're doing better in those states than McCain is in Michigan, much less Pennsylvania.

Chill.  Take a breather.  Get some perspective.  Did you think this would be easy or something?  We're fighting the Republicans.  Remember them?  No matter how perfect your plans, your enemy always gets a vote.

Besides, the press will tire of the "McCain resurging" narrative, and turn on his ass for how he's been treating them. Should be fun.

Tags: Bad Days, Doldrums, polling (all tags)

Comments

96 Comments

Tips

For keeping a level head.  We're winning.  This is a bounce.  The number of advantages we've got is frightening.  Do NOT forget that.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-09-08 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Tips

Thanks reaper. It's at times like this that you find out who your real friends are.

by duende 2008-09-09 04:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Tips

Yes, thank you indeed. The Democrat's greatest enemy is The Democrats.

Yesterday was a tough day. Panic spreads.

The Obama campaign is keeping its cool under attack, and that's tough to tolerate, even when it is the superior strategy to kneecapping. The guy didn't stumble into this position.

I'm glad to see more powerful ads, using the L-word. I also think some mistakes were made in the past few days.

I say to everyone: let's see where the polls are on Friday and then discuss this again.

by iohs2008 2008-09-09 05:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Tips

Agreed, Agreed, and Agreed!!!

We need to start running explicitly against the republicans and their brand.  McBush is a POW.  Palin is a special needs Mom.  They are going to push bio over issues.  We need to push our Brand.

Let's use a line from each Clinton.

HRC: Thinking the republicans can fix this mess is like thinking that an iceberg can fix the Titanic.

BRILLIANT!

WJC: There's nothing that's wrong with America that can't be fixed with what's right with America.

Profound!

And how about one of my own: Republicans running against Washington makes as much sense as Jews for Jesus.

Okay.  Leave the last one out.

by Strummerson 2008-09-09 05:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Tips

I saw that a day or so ago in icanhascheezburger.com's political site, and I just knew that picture was going to end up at mydd.  Immense kudos for doing it, love that.

by Skalite 2008-09-09 05:31AM | 0 recs
Want to fight this bounce?
Then DONATE Time Energy and Money.... NOW!
http://barackobama.com
by kevin22262 2008-09-09 07:16AM | 0 recs
Seeing where polls are on Friday...

...knowing, by all rights and reasons they'll probably either be around where they are now or a couple (a few) of points lower (for the Dems) is to be (totally) expected. Don't have any problem with that, at all.

Seeing the Obama camp adjust with more aggressive communications/behavior is also good. I'd like to see them even more aggressively going after the Rethugs than they are now. Hopefully, that'll happen sooner rather than later.

But, for those that put forth the notion that we wait until mid-October, and then see where the polls are...as far as that mentality's concerned, those folks just aren't getting it.

by bobswern 2008-09-09 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Tips

After I've finished my troll-rating blitz at another blog, at least, this diary does not play the blame game. Let's see the hand that Obama is playing in the coming weeks. I hate when people want to blame Hillary and bring up the past tensions of the primary.

Let Obama...play his hand...and allow...Hillary...pitch in where...they've reached an agreement. Dang! Is that too hard to ask?

At least, this seems to be a straight-forwad diary. I'll recommend it!

by Check077 2008-09-09 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Tips

Yes, this has to do with all democrats coming together and fighting back. Anyone who tries to take this back to the primaries is just trying to weaken our resolve. If the primary result had gone a different way, then that candidate would also be under fire, and we'd be rallying round him or her.

It's the republicans who are the enemy to every democrat. None of us should forget that - and anyone who tries to make us fight among ourselves at this point is no frickin' democrat

by duende 2008-09-09 09:25AM | 0 recs
Is Palin's interview on 9/11?

If so, that may help us out as the national service forum with McCain and Obama will take place on that day as well.  I feel that Obama is once against on McCain's turf, just as Saddleback was McCain's turf.  Palin's interview could take away attention from the event if it doesn't go down so well.

Why cannot we have one of these forums focused on labor issues?

by Blazers Edge 2008-09-08 08:22PM | 0 recs
Do you think Obama needs

Hillary Clinton voters now?  

More than once or twice, Obama supporters on the blogs triumphantly claimed that he didn't need her voters.
I wonder if they have snapped out of that shit.

by Radiowalla 2008-09-08 08:47PM | 0 recs
Go fuck yourself

You don't speak for Hillary Clinton and she would be ashamed people such as yourself feel the need to be so self important that continuing Bush's policies is the lump of flesh you deserve for your bitterness.  Go fuck yourself, he country deserves better.

by Brandon 2008-09-08 08:59PM | 0 recs
What a great way to win friends.

telling people to f--- off??? That's the kind of anger people have been spewing at Governor Palin for ten days....it's really working wonders.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-09-08 09:39PM | 0 recs
Re: What a great way to win friends.

I was reading something by a female psychologist who wrote of how and why women get angry (complicated) and how a why women lose their anger (very very complicated). The amazing part was that the anger/losing anger cycle was completely separated from the objective benefit to the woman's own best interest. The bottom line is that women apparently will ignore (as opposed to consciously choose against) self-interested results - in order to punish the perceived offender.

Fascinating. I'll try to find the article, but it made the Sarah Palin as President idea really interesting to ponder.

by QTG 2008-09-09 07:16AM | 0 recs
Same to you!

I'm not voting for a continuation of Bush's policies.  I'm voting for Obama.  Or maybe you think Obama doesn't want my vote?  

Your comment to me demonstrates precisely why some Obama supporters are his worst enemies.  Your unbridled hostility, not to mention your vulgarity, do the Obama campaign great discredit.

Goodbye.

by Radiowalla 2008-09-09 02:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Go fuck yourself

This type of comment is not helpful either.

by Captain Bathrobe 2008-09-09 03:06PM | 0 recs
Time Machine is that way ------------------>

Feel free to jump in and go back to someplace in history where you are actually relevant to this conversation.

by shalca 2008-09-08 09:03PM | 0 recs
Shalca's Time Machine

You need your own graphic.  Here's one for you.  Feel free to copy it and warp away as many trolls as you want.  :)

by Dumbo 2008-09-08 10:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you think Obama needs

I think you've confused "Obama supporters" with "idiots and McTrolls".

Of course we need every vote, every voter. Did anyone really think we didn't?

What's been differed about is the path to getting the votes of Clinton supporters. Overall I'm pretty happy with how it's been achieved. The remaining PUMAs are essentially a group of fringe loonies that remind me of the Flat Earthers, Holocaust Deniers, or 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists. There was never any satisfying them; they have seen The Great And Revealed Truth and nothing will compete.

The rest, the non-PUMAs, are welcome to decide on the issues. The issues strongly favor Obama to any Clinton supporter unless both 1a) the single and only reason they were supporting Clinton was experience -- not a single policy position, or 1b) the single and only reason they were supporting Clinton is that she's female, and also 2) they're willing to ignore the litany of issues on which McCain and Palin are bad for the country and Obama is good for the country. In those cases again there's not going to be any satisfying them.

So yes, we need Hillary Clinton voters. Welcome aboard -- the more the merrier!

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-09-08 09:19PM | 0 recs
Radiowalla, please read this.

Radiowalla, howdy.  If I've been reading it right, you've been a voice of sanity at Alegre's Corner.  You've actually stood up for your issues, and I respect that.  No, check that, I salute you for it.  I'm glad that you see past your anger to what matters beneath all of the process crap.

Do we need those folks who supported Senator Clinton?  Of course, we need every (non-Operation Chaos) vote we can get.  I never said or thought we could win without them.  That would have been pretty stupid.  Almost as stupid as basing one's vote on what some idiots on the internet said.

I doubt you're dumb like you'd have to be to vote that way.  I don't think you're dumb at all.  Like I said, I've seen your posts, and I respect you.  

Now, my honest respect notwithstanding, this was  a bit of an aggressive, borderline passive-aggressive, comment on your part, Radiowalla.  Did I call Clinton supporters out in this diary?  Did I show them disrespect in this diary?  If I didn't, you might consider the fact that you've shown me the very same sort of disrespect you received during the primaries.

For my own sins, I am truly sorry.  I have tried to learn from them, and to be a better person in these times.  We all got heated during the primaries, my guy just happened to have won.  We'd be having similar conversations had the roles been reversed.  Please don't delude yourself into thinking that either camp behaved qualitatively worse or better than the other.  I was treated like a child by Clinton supporters, and I'm twenty-eight.  There's enough sin to go around.

But as I said, I respect you personally, and I'm sorry for anything retarded I might have said before (and I wasn't among the worst offenders at all).  We believe in a lot of the same things, you and I.  Why let petty grievances stand in the way of progress?

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-09-08 09:32PM | 0 recs
Oh God, make me puke why don't you.

Reaper, everytime I'm starting to think, yay Reaper, you go and post something like that.

by Dumbo 2008-09-08 10:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Radiowalla, please read this.

That's a nicer comment than he deserved.  At this point, is there really any reason to entertain the dead-enders?  Were any Dean supporters in 2004 still holding out on Kerry by this point, after the conventions?  If so, were they as irritating?

by Skaje 2008-09-08 11:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Radiowalla, please read this.

just ignore them or hide rate them, that's all that all the attention they need at this point

by KLRinLA 2008-09-09 12:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Radiowalla, please read this.

Thank you.  Thank you very much indeed.

Yes, my comment was snarky, probably passive-agressive, but I stand by it.  Many of the Obama partisans who ran roughshod over Clinton supporters, especially on blogs like DailyKos and, to a lesser extent here,  trumpeted that Obama didn't need Clinton supporters to win and that it didn't matter if they ran off angry.
Now that the situation has been turned on its head, I couldn't help but wonder if those unnecessary Clinton voters were suddenly back in favor.

It wouldn't hurt for these loudmouth firebrands to reflect a little on how their behavior did terrible damage to the party.  Some of them are still hell-bent, it seems, on continuing a battle that they have already won.  Some of them are still posting here.

I remember those slights and I'm still pissed about the way Clinton Democrats were treated by the netroots and by the DNC.  Really pissed.   It was never about hating Obama for me.  I just didn't (and don't) think he is the best candidate the party could have fielded.  

Nevertheless,  I have made my peace with reality and will vote for him.  No way will I vote for McCain, especially with that dreadful and dangerous VP he pulled out of his, er,  hat.  

Anyway, I appreciate your reasoned comments.

by Radiowalla 2008-09-09 03:02PM | 0 recs
Radiowalla?

Would you consider the possibility that we Obama supporters were also treated rather poorly?  I honestly don't know who, if anyone, got it worse then the other, but good lord there were guilty parties on either side.

You do realize you might have been speaking to me as I am now speaking to you, had Senator Clinton been nominated, right?

I was called a child, told to let the "adults" handle this, had my analytical skills mocked, and accused of possessing an over-abundance of "white guilt" that caused me to support Senator Obama.  This ain't my first rodeo, and I'm not an idiot.  I watched over Senator Clinton amass a 100 superdelegate lead before Iowa, before a single vote had been cast.

Radiowalla, some of us got heated because some of you got heated (who got heated because some of us got heated and so on).  We are all guilty to varying degrees.  The difference is that my candidate won and the other candidates didn't.

It was a hell of a thing being told that who I wanted didn't matter since me, and others like me, can't be counted on voting, that we won't even bother to show up.  You see that, don't you?

None of this is angrily written, and none of it is an attack.  I just want you to understand that it wasn't all malevolent evil or sexism that drove our side of the divide.  

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-09-09 03:16PM | 0 recs
I have not doubt that you felt

mistreated, and were sometimes mistreated, during the primary.  When a person is attacked personally, it stings in a way that is not easily forgotten.

It is also true that the netroots was extraordinarily harsh on  Hillary Clinton and, by extension, on her supporters.  All, or nearly all, of the major blogs on the left were pro-Obama  (DailyKos, Atrios, Huffington, Josh Marshall, Americablog and others.)  Clinton supporters were either hounded out of those blogs or left because they were unable to express their support for this historic candidate without being trollrated and mocked.   I was one of them, I know.  A good portion of these supporters have not returned to their former homes in the blogosphere and will be unlikely to do so.  

Certainly there were uncivil Clinton supporters.  Some of them are still uncivil, as a matter of fact.

There was only one winner in this race, and it was your candidate.  Obama  supporters still have their online homes.  Clinton supporters, on the other hand, not only lost the race, but lost their longtime communities in the  netroots.   Therefore, as a matter of strategy, I would not talk too much about how you felt attacked by Clinton supporters because they will have many more stories to tell you about their experiences and then it evolves into a schoolyard brawl with cries of "Well, what about me!?"

Again, your reasoned comments are appreciated.

by Radiowalla 2008-09-09 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: I have not doubt that you felt

Well, we're talking constructively.  I'd rather take a few steps towards one another than lament the size of the ravine between us.

I've already apologized for my part.  There isn't much I can do beyond that.  I do appreciate your replies.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-09-09 04:46PM | 0 recs
I remember reading your last diary
at DailyKos early this year (February/March?). If I remember correctly. JeffNYC an Obama supporter was the first one to deeply regret your departure. The primary wars have caused lot of wounds amongst us. I'll not go back to it, but would like to move on, and request you to come back here at MyDD and continue to post.
 
by louisprandtl 2008-09-09 08:25PM | 0 recs
It was in early March

that I left DailyKos and it was gchaucher2 who wrote a diary about it.  I had been there for eons...had a user number in the 3,000s.
I'd love to move on as well, but I have no real "home" in the netroots now.  

My main interests right now are preventing McCain-Palin from seizing power and reform of the Democratic primary system which brought us this mess.  

In the meantime, I'm going on vacation for a few days and hopefully that will renew my spirits.

by Radiowalla 2008-09-10 05:19AM | 0 recs
I just hope you get back with higher

spirits. I don't read DKos regularly anymore (used to be a long time lurker) since we left that place unless someone refers to me a diary or one of my old favorites like Meteor Blades, DarkSyde and Mutual Assured Destruction had posted a diary.

by louisprandtl 2008-09-10 09:30PM | 0 recs
Sen. Obama...

needs some of the 18 million who voted for Sen. Clinton of that there is no doubt.  Since they don't seem likely to vote for him anyway I hope he can win without the snotty ones.

by tonedevil 2008-09-08 09:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you think Obama needs

oh for the love of God, give it a freaking rest already. I think you see mean, taunting Obama supporters under your bed.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-09-08 10:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you think Obama needs

You bore me.

by Skaje 2008-09-08 11:02PM | 0 recs
That is NOT true!

But... if you were a Hillary supporter and you do not support what she is about and who she supports then you are a STUPID FOOL!

There is a small percentage of the "18 Million" voters who still have a whiny stick up their ass. Are you one of those people?

Guess what.. I HUGELY Supported Hillary Clinton!

By the way... here is my take on so called "Independents"
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/9/9/98 43/78114/120#120

Sorry for the rant, but if you are not here to HELP FIX this country then YOU are a big part of the problem.

Wake Up or you will regret it when we have kkkarl rove in the Whitehouse AGAIN!

by kevin22262 2008-09-09 07:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Do you think Obama needs

This comment was uncalled for.  Reaper responded in a more mature and civil fashion than I would have in the circumstances.  The fact is, the internet supporters of both sides behaved badly during the primary.  Obama himself never said that he didn't need Clinton's supporters, nor did Clinton say the same thing about Obama's supporters.  A few internet hotheads do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the campaigns they support.

We need everyone we can to beat McSame in November.  We would've needed everyone to beat him even if we had Clinton as a candidate.  

by Captain Bathrobe 2008-09-09 03:04PM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

This is excellent!  Exactly what I needed.  After seeing the photo, I'm envisioning Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction.  I do believe Obama and his team no what they are doing, and what they need to do next.

by lqbruin 2008-09-08 08:51PM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

great picture! now THAT'S the Obama I want to see more of.

by Todd Beeton 2008-09-08 09:06PM | 0 recs
You may like that picture....

but I wouldn't want to use it as a campaign poster. He looks angry, uptight and uncool. Unfortunately, in middle America it will be seen as threatening.

Dems also need to get their minds right on the Sarah Palin thing. Instead of trying to besmirch the reputation of this good frontier lady, we need to leave her alone. Every time someone like Olberman or Bill Maher says someting ugly about her, the Repubs will get a lift in the polls. No need to turn her into Joan of Arc.

For better or worse, politics is about being liked.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-09-08 09:36PM | 0 recs
Besmirching...

besmirch the reputation of this good frontier lady...

Yup.  She's Calamity Jane, if Calamity Jane were a rabid pro-lifer, creationist, liar, and straight.

I could just see her in a tundra version of Oklahoma as Cain't Say No Drillin' Annie.  Shootin' polar bears while talkin' in tongues.

by Dumbo 2008-09-08 10:58PM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

ditto  

by wellinformed 2008-09-09 05:06AM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

Thanks Reap for the much needed shot in the arm.  I didn't need it myself, but my there's been much CONCERN around here.

by fogiv 2008-09-08 10:02PM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

You had to see it coming. Open races are destined to be tight. I'm confident Obama will prevail but the odds all year have been in the correct range, 60/40, and not lopsided favoritism as many posters preferred to believe.

Virtually every major decision has chipped away at our potential advantage. When we narrowed it to either a woman or black atop the ticket, that was essentially forfeiting opportunity for a rout. I'm not avoiding that topic simply because it's uncomfortable. It's the reason I supported Mark Warner initially. He would have been in ultimate cruise control mode now, "the true map changer," as Jerome called him.

The other side refused to nominate a hard line conservative who could easily be linked to Bush. Those pictures of McCain hugging Bush are swell, but the public doesn't think of him that way, so we have our hands full. Then the VP choice was brilliantly cynical, essentially challenging apolitical women not to fall for it.

My major frustration is we continue to botch the situational priority list. In an open race you need unquestioned credentials, since the course of the nation is at stake and there's no direct comparison to an incumbent. Versus an incumbent you want a charismatic nominee. Otherwise you have no chance unless the incumbent is inept with 40ish approval.

In other words, we nominated Kerry when an Obama-type would have been preferable, and Obama when a Kerry-like resume would have made us invulnerable. It's not something I invented for 2008. I was posting it long before I ever heard of Barack Obama. If Obama loses, it will be due to concerns of his readiness. You never want that question front and center in an open race, not when the major swing stages are slightly more conservative than the nation as a whole. It's the reason I turned to Hillary above Obama. When we have more natural margin for error through demographic changes, mistakes will be easier to overcome.

by Gary Kilbride 2008-09-08 10:05PM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

major swing states, not stages. I need some sleep.

by Gary Kilbride 2008-09-08 10:10PM | 0 recs
A couple of things

I think if Democratic voters really understood it was going to be a tight red state / blue state fight then Obama wouldn't have been selected.  He convinced people he could change politics and therefore changed the map.  Nothing has changed.   It is politics as usual.  

Remember all the talk of African Americans rising up in the south and a couple of those states being in play.  Remember the excitement of winning all those meaningless small red caucus states and his supporters gushing some of them would be in play in the fall because of a different kind of politics.

Oh well, reality is sinking in and it is a B.

That being said the trend that started about 10 years ago is still going our way and this cycle CO, NV, and VA are finally in play.  So Obama does have more ways to 270 than McCain.   So despite and ineffective campaign and a squandered opportunity to put McCain away 6 weeks ago, I think Obama should pull this out in the end.

But as I said yesterday, I think party officials and some key donors need to sit him down and make it clear to him that he is expected to fight from here on out in a much tougher, hard hitting fashion than he has to date.  

by RichardFlatts 2008-09-09 06:42AM | 0 recs
I still see it coming

I second what you have said Reaper0Bot0.

And I want to add two more things.

1. Go Donate to Obama.

2. Keep repeating that Palin is just more of the same.

The benefits:

1. Will keep Obama's war chest full to keep expanding the map.

2. What you say here, and what you repeat here does indeed get picked up by the MSM and by both candidates.

Palin: Just an extension of McSame.

by Dickie Simpkins 2008-09-08 10:14PM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

Linking McCain to Bush will fail, people already belive he is some sort of maverick/POW BS so it would be better to attack him on his own record. As for Palin, she can go shove a hockey stick up her ass for all I care, that is one unqualified dumbass, she makes Cheney looks good. Hell, she is the reason I am supporting Obama, even though I think he is completely inexperienced.

by bsavage 2008-09-08 11:02PM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

Unlike that nasty little person who just suggested something awful a la Abner Louima, I recommend your diary. Love the picture and caption. This is a US Senator. A Harvard Law School grad. A man with great intelligence and uncanny political skills - his timing is near perfect. He is our next President and he's the one I want to have telling Russia or Iran to chill out. Daddy Obama also has two children and he probably would rip the throat out of anyone who tried to harm them - or any other little girl for that matter. Obama is not a pacifist, he's pragmatic. There is nothing different about this man than any other man who protects and defends this country.  This old white Latino guy says Obama/Biden 08, and so do my white skinned kids. Imagine someone who says hey don't pick on the little brown ones at the same time knowing that his priority is fighting for any working and middle class person trying to work and provide. It's called strong leadership. No props required.

by Jeter 2008-09-09 12:40AM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

I'm actually encouraged by the size of the bump.  It is relatively small.  Also, unlike the last Repub convention, the main topic of discussion is someone on their ticket.  The luster will eventually wear off as people get to know her (it does for every single politician regardless of belief system).

What made '04 so unbearable was that every thing they threw at Kerry stuck and that was all anyone was talking about out of the convention.  So the huge bump was a move away from Kerry.  I see this move as a move toward Palin.  So there is absolutely nothing to see here.  A good debate performance by Senator Obama and the numbers will move back.

by AZphilosopher 2008-09-09 12:54AM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

Seriously.  The RNC just ended: what did people expect?  Anyway, Rasmussen just put out a bunch of swing state polls and... we're pretty much where we were two weeks ago.  Leading in Colorado, down a couple of points in Ohio and Florida, tied in Virginia.

by Jordache 2008-09-09 12:57AM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

Nice diary.
A quote from Barack that bear repeating - The Democrats are professional hand-wringers.

I was watching the news tonight and Heather Wilson was on and was asked what John McCain is going to do to get the economy back on track. She said "keep taxes low" and then went into the "drill here, drill now" mantra.
Wait until the debates - Obama is going to destroy McCain's notion that the GOP ticket stands for "change."

by GrahamCracker 2008-09-09 01:45AM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

What was underestimated was how the cocky behavior of the Obama supporters turned people off.  Your unity BS.  Now that you threw Hillary under the bus and her supporters.  The Dnc included.  Nobody could figure out what might happen.  All I can say is shame on you.  Not everyone drank the cool aid.

by orion1 2008-09-09 02:30AM | 0 recs
Really?

If that's a factor than I'm taking the sanctimonious air-headed behavior of latter-day McPalin supporters to the bank in November.   Really?  People are voting against the "cocky behavior" of Obama supporters?  Then explain how Rudy Guilliani isn't losing this election for the GOP single-handedly, I can wait.

I'm a Clintonista and I don't feel thrown off a bus or anything else.  I do feel supremely insulted by Mooseskinner Barbie however.  

by GRO 2008-09-09 04:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

I am sorry, but as a Clintonista I do feel that Obama should have had the foresight to pick Hillary Clinton as VP, to help shore up the Democratic base as well as independents.  Joe Biden was the second best option, but the question is why the campaign couldn't forsee McCain's choice of a woman like Sarah Palin.

by MMR2 2008-09-09 05:17AM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

No, shame on you.  What about the cocky McCain supporters? "How do we beat the Bitch?"  You have misplaced your anger, please redirect it towards the real enemy. John McCain and many of his supporters are monsters.  John McCain and his supporters mock you and Hillary, and while you feel thrown under a bus, Team McCain would have thrown you off a cliff, laughed as you fell, and called you an unpatriotic liar for screaming bloody murder all the way down.

by Iago 2008-09-09 09:17AM | 0 recs
Heh :D

We own the economy, folks.

by soyousay 2008-09-09 02:56AM | 0 recs
Nice reminders

I know some staunch GOP-types (actual Bush defenders), and they are very worried about losing this. It doesn't seem like a slam dunk from the other side, not sure why people feel it's a sure loss from this one.

Interestingly, one of the GOPers said that the blog reaction was why he doesn't want "the libs" in power. He believes we crumble under pressure. On the other hand (and I quote) "Obama stays cool though.".

by Neef 2008-09-09 04:15AM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

Thanks Reaper. I also feel confident that the election is ours to lose, that this is likely McCain's high water mark. We do need to recalibrate our attack, and yesterday's "Whoa" commercial was a good start. I hope there is some video of Palin campaigning pro Bridge to Nowhere so that we can run another ad that is just the two of them back to back contradicting themselves over the bridge, over the Bush tax cuts etc.

by wasder 2008-09-09 04:24AM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

Problem is a lot of saw this coming and have been urging that the Obama campaign "snap out of it."  As many feared Obama is running a soft, overly verbose campaign, and is letting the Republicans define the race.

by RichardFlatts 2008-09-09 06:09AM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

I agree.  McCain bounced, only to be even.  

That's not to say we should be concerned, but this isn't a reason to go apeshit.  Help Obama out organize McCain.  Help him reach out to voters.  Donate:

http://www.actblue.com/page/united_democ ratic_party_money_bomb

by TheUnknown285 2008-09-09 06:25AM | 0 recs
Chris Bowers with some #'s

Obama is underperforming Congressional Democrats.   In previos cycles our Presidential candidate has actually outperformed Congressional Democrats, according to Bower's numbers.

I think that sums it up rigth there.  Obama is running an ineffective campaign.  

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jse ssionid=7850AD9B6B2DB2E3C1019210E457D5F5 ?diaryId=8069

by RichardFlatts 2008-09-09 06:36AM | 0 recs
That's a strange

way to judge effectiveness.

It's an interesting statistic, for sure. But 4 data points? And what does it mean, really...maybe it means house Dems are exceptionally popular, or maybe the downticket GOP as a whole is exceptionally demoralized, or something else - none of which is necessarily (or even remotely) germane to the Presidential election.

Furthermore, even strong correlation does not impart predictive power. To be useful, that statistic should show a strong trend when a Dem wins, and a weak or anti-trend when a Dem loses. However, Gore outperformed house Dems and still lost, Kerry outperformed house Dems and still lost - where's the prediction line? If losing Dems can pass that statistic, why is it an important stat?

Finally, I'd be curious how you reconcile that statistic with the electoral maps. If that statistic means Obama is underpowerforming, does it override the significance of the fact he is winnning the EV map? If so, why - the EV map is the best predictor we have of the outcome we want. Does that statistic presage a change in the EV map, that isn't showin up yet?

Minus answers to those questions, it's an obscure, tangential statistic that only a stat wonk would have imagined in the first place. It's interesting, but not meaningful, for reasons outlined above.

by Neef 2008-09-09 07:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Chris Bowers with some #'s

This is assuming people have the same willingness to vote Democratic in all races.  I still have the suspicion that Sen. Clinton would underperform as well.

Think about the nature of the races for a moment.  When there are all 435 House races up for election, all of the "personality" politics will eventually drop out of the picture in favor of a .

Running for president is like playing Blackjack with one deck.  Republicans are better suited for this environment because they take more risks.  The Republicans would risk being hated to deliver a devastating attack.  On the other hand, think of how many punches failed to land in the Congressional Races.

So, to make a long story short, generic numbers and Congressional races aren't good metrics.  About all one can do is to consult the EC map and register more voters.

by AZphilosopher 2008-09-09 12:34PM | 0 recs
Nope, didn't see this coming

What I thought would happen was a Hillary candidacy blowing McCain out of the water.

by Sieglinde 2008-09-09 07:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Nope, didn't see this coming

www.talkleft.com

That is a more apropos place for "democrats" that daily want to re fight a lost primary.  There you can be around people just like you, whose search for victim hood can finally be achieved. We already have enough fake democrats that only want to see the party crash and burn, we dont need another around here.

by Brandon 2008-09-09 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Nope, didn't see this coming

Who says I'm a victim?

I'm a fake Democrat?  Please.

A fake Democrat says things like "post-partisan" and blame for the nation's problems "lies equally on Democrats as well as Republicans".  That's a fake Democrat.  (Guess who spouts such nonsense.)

by Sieglinde 2008-09-09 08:27AM | 0 recs
Talkleft

Your people are calling.

by Brandon 2008-09-09 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Talkleft

What do you mean by my "people"?

Are you being racist?

by Sieglinde 2008-09-09 09:22AM | 0 recs
wut?

No, that is were people that pretend to be democrats and Bash Obama under the guise of "lifelong deomcrats" that are not fooling anyone.

by Brandon 2008-09-09 09:35AM | 0 recs
Re: wut?

So in your mind, a true Democrat can't disagree with Obama's words and positions?

Sounds fascist to me.

by Sieglinde 2008-09-09 12:00PM | 0 recs
Re: wut?

No, but a true Democrat supports the Democratic ticket in important elections and doesn't act like petulant children.  If the party cannot win because of an internal war fought by idiots in a year when every issue is on their sides, it no longer needs to even run for President, because the primarys will destroy any potential candidate from here on out.

by Brandon 2008-09-09 12:26PM | 0 recs
Re: wut?

Wow you really fear dissent, don't you.

You should probably move to North Korea or some place like that.

Here in America, there's a diversity of opinion.  And those who disagree with you aren't necessarily "petulant children".

This election IS IMPORTANT to me.  That's why I supported Hillary Clinton during the primaries.  As it is, Obama's campaign and supporters have a lot of work to keep the "petulant children" in line.  (And you could start by not obsessing about who the true Democrats are.)

by Sieglinde 2008-09-09 12:39PM | 0 recs
Obsess?

Never, I am not worried about you, because you are no Democrat.

by Brandon 2008-09-09 12:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obsess?

What happened to all of that "post-partisan" BS crap?

If I switched and became Republican, perhaps you'd be nicer to me and even obsess about me, because clearly Obama can't win a national election only with your ardent Democratic cohorts, and lawd knows he's trying very hard to appeal to Republicans, with his consistent move to the right.

by Sieglinde 2008-09-09 02:57PM | 0 recs
I DID see this coming....

In my diary, I predicted the Naysayers would hold a festival when the post Republic convention polls came out:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/9/4/18484 0/7253#commenttop

And, I was always convinced, had the Mariners with Griffey, A-Rod and Randy stayed together, they would have won at least 4 World Series?

Ok, my speculation is just as legit as yours, because in reality, events MIGHT have derailed both alternate time lines?

But, I'm sure, the Hillary supporters are going to go on a non-stop whine fest for the next 4-5 weeks at least.....

Anyway, good show Repear.

Calling out the fearmongers and the naysayers as the same old defeatist Demo whimps is dead on it.

Rec'ed

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-09 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: I DID see this coming....

Yeah this is how we lose elections.  Because of the naysayers and old defeatist Demo whimps and fearmongers.

That sounds really pathetic, don't you think.

by Sieglinde 2008-09-09 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: I DID see this coming....

Well I can't speak for why anyone else would want to lay down and just moan, because to me, it's completely counter productive?

If Kerry HAD fought back, challenged those swiftboat A-holes Mano y Mano, IMHO, he might have won?

But, this is more about the party, then about Obama?

He is a counter puncher, he fences with a foil, not a chainsaw like the Republics do?

We, on the other hand, are SOOOOO easily terrified, we roll over and play dead:

"OH NO, IF we had JUST picked Senator Clinton..."

Well, NO ONE can say how that have worked out, but even more so, it's Exactly what they want us to do, lay down and die, live in regret for choices we made.

Screw em, and the horse they road in on, and the fake patrotism and their so called Change Agent from Alaska...

If They DO win with this American Idol BS, then we are screwed anyway, and hopefully we slide RIGHT PAST third world status to the bottom of the stack where we can't harm the rest of the world.

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-09 10:41AM | 0 recs
Repubs have home court, umps, score board

..... Obama campaign better damn well be concerned.  

We ALL knew going up against Hillary was nothing in comparison to going up against a party who has the voting machines put in place to win this thing.  They have stolen so many elections and got away with it, what's to make them think otherwise.

The closing in the polls is ALL the thieves need to do their dirty work.

Sorry, I'll be called a gloom and doom person, but I've been concerned about the theft of this election from the word go!

The thought of Sarah Palin as VP makes me want to puke.  I was unhappy and disappointed in "evangelicals" as they marched behind Bush.  Now, as they gather behind Palin, I am completely disgusted!

I am angry about this .... we can hope that MORE Democrats, those who supported HRC until she lost, will be angrier and we can hope that the Republicans have played their Palin card just in time to wake Americans UP to the fact that this fight is far from over!

by Southern Mouth 2008-09-09 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

This is the game changer that Mark Penn has been waiting for.

by Iago 2008-09-09 09:20AM | 0 recs
We saw it coming long ago

We're on the bus, but having seen similar versions of this mistake made in the last two presidential elections (Dems taking women voters for granted) we're tired of shutting up about it.

We're on the bus, we're raising money and volunteering, but we're also using this as a "teachable moment" to get our party to stop acting like jackasses when it comes to women voters.

You will continue to hear complaints about it now because the party and its leaders refuse to listen any other time.  We've got your attention and we're going to make sure you learn to stop making the same dumb mistakes.  It's your choice. Learn or deal with it.

by Betsy McCall 2008-09-09 09:27AM | 0 recs
What was that Betsy?

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by Brandon 2008-09-09 09:33AM | 0 recs
He fell into Rove's trap

Can you explain why that was such a good idea?

by Betsy McCall 2008-09-09 09:35AM | 0 recs
Re: We saw it coming long ago

It'll be high irony indeed if Sarah Palin becomes the first female president of the US.  Why is the GOP excited?  It's not because she's female.  She's Mike Huckabee in a nice package, but there seem to be plenty of voters who can't see past her gender.  For the GOP party faithful this is a dream come true.  The age issue, which was such a problem for McCain for a while, now works in his favor,  Many Republicans are giddy at the prospect that he might not finish his term.

Politics, sadly, doesn't really lend itself to teachable moments.  There are winners and losers.  The Dems entered the 2004 election seemingly occupying the highest moral ground possible (Florida, Iraq) and still lost.  Not saying Obama will lose this time around, but gotta admire the Republicans to this extent, they want to win and don't play games.  

by IncognitoErgoSum 2008-09-09 01:56PM | 0 recs
Who's "We"?

A reality check for you, Betsy: Obama happens to be winning the support of the majority of women voters.

Now if you meant "white baby-boomer women that sought personal validation and vicarious relevance through Hillary's run", if you continue to indulge this faux victimhood complex with unsubstantiated allegations about being "taken for granted" by the Democratic party, then perhaps your "we" is appropriate after all, though it's likely you that needs time off for a "teachable moment".

I have news for you. You're not special, and you won't be getting anyone's attention. Not any more than will any other democratic voter, regardless of how loudly you complain. You don't get to blackmail the party into indulging your whims or your pet conspiracy theories, and blindly repeating these ad mauseum will do little to ensure a more favorable reception in the future.

Vote for whoever you please, but for heaven's sake quit the whining.

by Sumo Vita 2008-09-09 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

When will people realize that this election is also about TIMING. McSame is peaking now, so how is he going to sustain that momentum, especially when they just keep digging themselves in deeper and deeper with all their lies. Now you see Obama call them out on their lies. Next step he will connect those lies to issues of trust, i.e. how can you TRUST people who have been lying to you about their records. So the election turns to trust and issues and change. Well guess who wins on those platforms?

by venician 2008-09-09 10:21AM | 0 recs
I'd rec this fifty times if I could.

Heck, I'd rec it ten times just for the picture. ;)

by Mystylplx 2008-09-09 11:10AM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

In case anyone doubted that this race is still favoring Obama, Gallup just came out with its regional polling for the week of September 1 -7 (through the RNC).

You can see it here: http://www.gallup.com/poll/108037/Candid ate-Support-Region.aspx

Prior to the RNC, Obama was up 17 points in the East; he's still up 11.
McCain was up only 4 in the South--he's now up 13.
In the Midwest Obama was up 10, and is now up by 6; and in the West his lead has remained the same: 7 points.

It will be interesting to see how this looks next week, when the polling is all post-convention.  But what this shows is that McCain has mostly only managed to solidify his base; the South is now crazy for him.  Obama was never going to win in the South anyway.  And unless things get a whole lot uglier in the next week or two, Obama will still have significant leads in the regions that will decide this election--the mid-West and West.

by Graeko 2008-09-09 02:06PM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

I can haz Virginia?

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-09-09 02:26PM | 0 recs
FAIR WARNING: NEXT WEEK WILL BE WORSE

Please note that Charlie Gibson's interview will be this Thursday and Friday.  In it, you will probably see tearful goodbyes between Sarah Palin and her oldest son as he goes off to Iraq.  You will see Charlie Gibson asking soft ball questions so that the he can continue the interviews into Friday.  You will see the softer side of Sarah Palin, the lies told through a smiling mouth, and the attacks on Obama/Biden while offering Gibson cookies.

The repubs will love her.  The ignorant independents (not all indies are ignorant btw) will love her.  The polls will be ecstatic.  You will see a Palin bounce next week, and even more crying and gnashing of teeth by us more knowledgeable Dems.

Obama will still have 50 days to crush McCain/Palin after those polls come out.  50 days is an eternity in politics.  Ask Jeremiah Wright.  Oh what was that?  50 days after Fox played him for 2 weeks straight every hour on the hour he was a distant memory?  Thank you.

by shalca 2008-09-09 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: FAIR WARNING: NEXT WEEK WILL BE WORSE

"In it, you will probably see tearful goodbyes between Sarah Palin and her oldest son as he goes off to Iraq."

Is her son Alaska National Guard? If so I can't help but wonder about a landmark September 11th deployment date.

Is it a ballsy question to ask? You betcha. But then what's someone going to do, accuse me of bashing the troops?

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-09-09 03:32PM | 0 recs
Rec'd!

Great dairy but if for nothing else that fabulous picture!

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-09-09 03:28PM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

I used to be a Hillary supporter and I swore NEVER to support Obama under any circumstances until the Democratic convention, and ESPECIALLY when McCain PICKED PALIN.I WILL be voting for the Obama/Biden ticket this November. It REALLY hurts now to see something shocking such as this Gallup poll.I knew as soon as I saw Palin's face that this woman was going to be major trouble for the Dems. She is appealing to those voters who could not bring themselves to support Obama in big states such as Ohio and Pennsylvania.She has also done something that has not happened since Reagan: Giving the GOP a candidate they can WORSHIP and at the same time knowing that she is protected with a "Teflon" coating that Reagan was born with.Obama and Biden ignores Palin at their peril. They MUST figure out a way to go after her on the ISSUES that really matter to the American people this year and that our side can win on.If it is her personality vs. Obama/Biden we will LOSE. You all can count on it...

by vermillion 2008-09-09 03:55PM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?
I'm more concerned that, since July, most of the major tracking polls began including more Republicans in their samples. It's less accurate and misleading when the number of registered Democrats likely to vote outnumber Republicans. People want to vote for a winner. If an undecided reviews a series of polls that suggest McCain is the "winner" then his/her vote might be covertly influenced by the misleading data.

From Huffington Post

Abramowitz simply doesn't think the overall spike in Republican sampling among all three polling firms is an accurate reflection of the electorate. "It's just not likely," he says. Given how important polls can be in the coverage of the race, even a slight assist to McCain during a period in which he is exciting the Republican base could help him solidify a new narrative in the race, regardless of the partisan facts on the ground.
by zenful6219 2008-09-09 04:37PM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

thanks for your concern. I will keep looking at reality myself and take things seriously and try to not let this chance slip out of our fingers as much as it is possible for one person to do so.

by zerosumgame 2008-09-09 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

I saw this coming unfortunately. I was hoping to be wrong. I am hoping I am wrong about what I see coming, which isn't a change in perspective at all.  I think we lost this in the primary. But I will vote & get everyone I know to vote Dem.  Timewise though I have to dedicate myself to preserving my future as best as I can b/c I don't believe any of my efforts to campaign will yield any fruit.  This country is going to be in for an even WORSE state affairs with as time goes on with the GOP in charge.

by jrsygrl 2008-09-09 06:34PM | 0 recs
Re: You Didn't See This Coming?

jrsygrl and the rest of you chicken littles. Understand some things please. For all the talk of McSame's surge in the "national polls" he still is losing in the polls that count- the EV polls. Not that any of us should put much faith in any poll. Regardless. If you beat the mind, the body is irrelevant. Too many of us have allowed our minds to be beaten by the past. ENOUGH! The way you make a bully back up is to hit him. They may hit you back, maybe even beat you up, but after that, they never, ever, bully you again. This goes for middle school and politics. We have to work like we are going to TAKE this thing. We cannot have a mindset that we a going to back into a win. We can and we will win IF we believe that we will, and we operate as though all we have to to is TAKE it! Everyone who reads this, quit fretting. Quit whinning. And QUIT BEING AFRAID!. In the end, all we can ever do is the best we can do. After that, it's up to faith, GOD and destiny. If you as individuals know that you did all you could do to win, then you have nothing to hang your head about, and it will be alright. Actually, it will be better than alright. You will thrive. We will thrive. LET'S GET IT! "NEVER GIVE UP. NEVER GIVE UP. NEVER GIVE UP" Winston Churchill.

by onlinesavant 2008-09-09 07:44PM | 0 recs
Polls. Nate was talking about them

a few months ago. That's Nate from fivethirtyeight.  Every poll has to be paid for by someone (or some group).  That group owns the poll results and can choose to release them to the media or not.

We shouldn't assume that just because there are some polls out there that make M/P look good they are the only ones.  

Obama's campaign has polls too but they don't release them to the media.

by GFORD 2008-09-09 11:25PM | 0 recs

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