Bob Casey - Does He Want to Lose?

by realvalues, Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 02:46:13 AM EST

I got to tell you, I want Rick Santorum (R-PA) to lose. I want ole man on dog sex Santorum to lose more than any other candidate in this cycle. I want Rick Santorum to lose so much that I am willing to support a guy like Bobby Casey, Jr. - an anti-choice Democrat. I am not alone. Millions of progressives across the country are willing to hold their noses and support Casey's candidacy.

However, this morning's Philly Inquirer headline makes me wonder if Casey WANTS to lose?

Casey supports Alito confirmation

So far, ONE Democratic Senator - Nebraska's Ben Nelson - has come out for Alito's confirmation. Even red state Democrats like Montana's Max Baucus, have come out against Sam Alito. What the fuck is Bob Casey thinking?

The Philly Inquirer-
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Casey, once again, drew a line between himself and the Democratic-leaning interest groups he must rely on as he seeks to unseat Sen. Rick Santorum (R., Pa.), who will vote to confirm Alito. Those groups, such as MoveOn.org and the League of Conservation Voters, which endorsed Casey Monday, have been pressing hard in recent weeks to keep Democratic support for Alito to a minimum.

If he had opposed Alito, Casey could have invigorated the liberal base - a shaky constituency because of his antiabortion position - at a time when fund-raising is a top priority of the campaign.
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The Inquirer is dead on. Coming out and opposing Alito, like almost every other Democratic Senator or Senate hopeful, would have absolutely invigorated the base and would have come with VERY little, if any, electoral down-side. Just in case Casey forgot, this is Pennsylvania. You know, a state Kerry, Gore and Clinton carried. This is one of them thar "blue states."

If you really do want to be the Senator from Pennsylvania, not Utah, it might be nice if you actually acted like a candidate for Senate from Pennsylvania.

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Couple of things
First of all Alito wrote a very favorable brief on his father's bill Casey v planned parenthood 1992.

Also Gov. Rendell also yesterday endorsed Altio.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/103-01252006-602560.html

by THE MODERATE 2006-01-25 04:09AM | 0 recs
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Re: Couple of things
Rendell's wife sits on the 3rd Circuit with Alito and with this backing doesn't seem to aspire for higher office, it's a pretty poisonous vote of approval in my eyes.
by Albert 2006-01-25 07:30AM | 0 recs
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3rd Circuit Democrats
Not only Pa. Gov. & former DNC Chairman Rendell endorsed Alito, but former NJ Governor Brendan Byrne and current Gov. Corzine's legal counsel did the same. Alito is very favorably viewed by those who have appeared before him and there are many prominent Democrats in the 3rd Circuit who support Alito. There's something to be said for one's own experience outweighing the interest group caricatures.
by SLinVA 2006-01-25 08:21AM | 0 recs
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Yeah that sucks
and I'm a person who supports Casey running for Senate. He's making it real hard to defend him.

Pennachio already had my vote in the primary, if Casey is so popular he should be able to pull off a primary win without my vote. Let's see him turn out those conservative Dems.

by dfields 2006-01-25 04:19AM | 0 recs
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Re: Go ahead, DO a Rhode Island!
Go Ahead guys! Do a Rhode Island!

Join NARAL in ousting Casey. They did it in Langevin's case. Why not do it with Casey.

As it is, Republican Chafee is now ahead in Rhode Island because the strongest Democrat Langevin had the sin of being Pro-Life. ( Yes, Langevin was ahead by 12%-16% before being driven out by NARAL wackos)

Com'on, do it in PA. As it is, Rendell is now slightly trailing Republican Swann. Survey's show a portion of African-American democrats intend to cross party line to vote for Swann if he is the nominee.

Take out Casey & let's give the GOP a sweep!

Go Ahead! Who do you think wants to end abortion, a democrat Casey or a republican Senator Santorum?

Take your pick.

After you kick out Casey, just please Stop Bitching & Moaning why mainstream Democrats & independents NEVER take you seriously. Stop wondering why you are viewed as " Left Wing Activists" who are Far Left of the mainstream.

P.S. For people who either are Not Religious or who have No Religion, they seem to have this STUPID notion that being Pro-Life is like picking underwear. You can just throw it out & get a new one. The STUPIDITY is sickening.

by fightingLadyinblue 2006-01-25 04:45AM | 0 recs
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Re: Go ahead, DO a Rhode Island!
You dont have to be pro-choice to oppose Sam Alito.  So spare me the squawking about how the "stupidity" of "left wing activists" is "sickening."  In fact, a pro-life CATHOLIC magazine came out OPPOSED to Alito yesterday.  Here is what Commonweal said:

There is little doubt that Alito's embrace of "judicial restraint" will result in rulings restricting the federal government's efforts in areas such as environmental protection, campaign-finance reform, voting rights, workplace safety and discrimination, and the rights of criminal defendants. Most worrisome, Alito gives every indication of being excessively deferential to the executive branch at a time when the president is asserting virtually unprecedented authority with regard to national defense, domestic spying, and the right to imprison people, including U.S. citizens, without trial.
http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/article.php?id_article=1496

Casey's support for Alito betrays just about everything progressives stand for - environmental protection, civil rights, civil liberties, workplace safety, etc.  

by realvalues 2006-01-25 04:54AM | 0 recs
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Re: Go ahead, DO a Rhode Island!
 Realvalues,

Is Casey your puppet? Is he the puppet of "your" progressive movement? I assume he has the intelligence to decide where he stands?

Just because he does not share your view or the view of your brothers on this issue, he is betraying you?

Did you cry like a baby when Russ Feingold voted for Roberts while moderates like Evan Bayh voted againsts Roberts?

PLEASE!!!!   You're full of it !

If you want to tell them what to do or vote, get an education & run for office. Otherwise,.....

by fightingLadyinblue 2006-01-25 05:00AM | 0 recs
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Re: No Win with Far Left!
You know what the problem is with some of our Far Left brothers & sisters?

If a Democrat flip-flops, they go nuts. If a Democrat does not stand for anything, they go nuts. If a Democrats happens to stand-up for his values, his beliefs such as being Pro-life, they go nuts.

Either the Democrat spew Liberal values or his unacceptable.

That's some of the stupidity that moderate Democrats have to deal with.

There's ONE MAJOR PROBLEM with that. The Far Left is a MINORITY within the Democrat Party. Are they Loud ? Yes! Are they visible? Yes, Very. Do they have the Numbers? Not even close to 20% of all Democrats.

They tried to make history by uniting as one & raising $75 million on a Primary for Howard Dean. The results? Not only did Three MODERATE DEMOCRATS All finish ahead of a united Liberal candidate, but more glaring is that their candidate failed to win ANY STATE but his home state!

That's the biggest problem. they want to dictate on the Democratic majority when they are the minorty. So out of touch with mainstream.

by fightingLadyinblue 2006-01-25 04:56AM | 0 recs
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Re: No Win with Far Left!
Who are you fighting against Lady in Blue?  Calm it, a little.  With only Ben Nelson coming out for Alito so far, he looks a little extreme.  Make that very extreme if you are a Democrat.

Sure Casey is better than Santorum.  Is he better than Ben Nelson, though?  This endorsement will not win friends and influence people for Casey.

by David Kowalski 2006-01-25 08:57AM | 0 recs
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Re: Go ahead, DO a Rhode Island!
Take it easy. I am a supporter of Casey, but I'm allowed to vote my conscious in the Primary.

And really, he is so popular across the state, I should be able to do that.

I've supported Casey over on dailykos, trust me, I would rather have a pro-life, pro-union, pro-single-payer healthcare, pro-environment Democrat Senator than a Pro-choice Pro-Corporate DLCer anyday. I've said before that I spent October of 2004 arguing with my neighbors because the couldn't vote for Kerry since he was pro-choice.

But they'll vote for Casey. So I think it's a smart choice on the part of Schumer to get him to run.

It's just that there are enough other reasons to be against Alito (limits on Presidential powers) that I don't see why he came out for him.

Casey is getting into the area where if he isn't different enough from Santorum, he'll just be making the race harder for himself.

by dfields 2006-01-25 05:12AM | 0 recs
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Not about abortion
The prime reason I'm against Alito and why I have up to this point supported Casey is for economic reasons and, as has been said, for issues that involve "looking out for the little guy."

But if Casey is backing Alito, who thought it was okay for a 10 year old girl to be strip-searched (among numerous other horrible decisions), then I have to seriously wonder what Casey stands for at all that makes him a Democrat.

by LiberalFromPA 2006-01-25 09:01AM | 0 recs
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Sorry
...this was meant as a response to fightingLadyinblue.
by LiberalFromPA 2006-01-25 09:02AM | 0 recs
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Re: Go ahead, DO a Rhode Island!
I see your manners still leave a lot to be desired fightingLadyinblue. Is blue state politics a specialty of yours?
by Gary Boatwright 2006-01-25 02:18PM | 0 recs
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Casey is going to be the PA Senator
When the Dem establishment endorsed Bob Casey Jr, it was certain that PA was going to vote for Casey.  PA has changed from a independent Dem state to a reliable Dem state.  Rendell may lose, but Casey is going to win, and that solidifies the Democrats in that state unless a weak nominee is nominated for president in 2008.  PA in the past presidential elections has been called quicker than other Dem states like MI and WI.  So, you don't need to worry Casey will win the Dem nomination for the Dem ticket in Nov and will beat Rick Santorum.
by mleflo2 2006-01-25 05:37AM | 0 recs
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Casey Thinks Its About Abortion
Casey, like the rest of the Democrats think this is about abortion.

But when the Supreme Court overturns worker protections, consumer protections, and environmental protections, then it will be apparent that this is about protecting the little guy, the one the Democrats are supposed to care so much about.

It's not about abortion. It's about the direction this country is going in.

If the Dems could get their heads out of their butts for just a moment, they would see this.

by Mister Go 2006-01-25 06:14AM | 0 recs
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Ditto
I agree completely.

 

by dfields 2006-01-25 06:33AM | 0 recs
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Re: Casey Thinks Its About Abortion
Senator Kennedy made this the focal point of his arguments against Alito - that the "little guy" would not get a fair shake in Alito's court.
by Crystal Patterson 2006-01-25 06:38AM | 0 recs
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What about Pennacchio?
Do your really want Casey?
by liberal elite 2006-01-25 08:10AM | 0 recs
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Re: What about Pennacchio?
It doesn't matter, I like Pitchiro in the primary but he is going to lose.  So, Casey is going to be the Dem nominee anyway and I am going to support all of the Dem nominees.
by mleflo2 2006-01-25 10:13AM | 0 recs
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Choices
Voters in PA and monetary supporters outside of PA have a choice to make.  Support a candidate who would stand against the nominations of SCOTUS nominees like Roberts and Alito or not.

If Casey were in the Senate right now, he and Ben Nelson (D-ND) would be the only Senators with Ds after their names in support of Alito further weakening the chance for filibuster and voting down of such poor nominations.

Chuck Pennacchio is the Progressive candidate who has my support.

by Albert 2006-01-25 08:21AM | 0 recs
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Re: Go ahead, DO a Rhode Island!
Lucas,Fighting Lady in Blue,and Real Values- Can we stop attacking each other. We are all Democrats. It does not matter if We are Liberal,Moderate,or Conservative- We all are members of the Democratic Party. That said- I tend to agree with Fighting Lady Blue that they are liberal bloggers that unfairly expect ideological purity in the Democratic Party- and unfair attack Democratic Members of Congress that don't vote in lockstep of the Progressive Leadership- I hear name calling from Liberal Bloggers such as DINO,Flip Floppers used towards Democratic Members of Congress That supports certain Republican Policies. I was unhappy towards former Georgia Senator Zell Miller when he gave that fireball speech at the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York. It is one thing for a Democrat to Support Bush's Re-election Campaign or Support Bush's policies. But It is wrong for Democrats including Bush Democrats to attack other Democrats.

I expect Members of Congress to vote their personal conscience. If they are not sure where they personal stand on the issue. They should vote their constituents conscience. If their constituents are equally divided. Then they should vote their Party Leadership.

Casey supporting Alito is not very suprising. Casey is pro-life and Alito is a member of the 3rd District Court which includes Pennsylvania.

by CMBurns 2006-01-25 09:48AM | 0 recs
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Re: Go ahead, DO a Rhode Island!
I am sorry, but it won't matter if we have a Democratic Senate, House or Executive, if we have a Court packed with right wing ideologues who will seek to limit the ability of the Congress to protect the environment, civil rights, worker's rights, worker safety, women's rights, etc.

Folks should be outraged that Bob Casey supports a right wing ideologue for the highest Court in the land.  I am not calling Casey a DINO, nor am I interested in simply towing the party line.  However, I will not support candidates who, in an excercise of their conscience, can not stand up for progressive values.

by realvalues 2006-01-25 10:13AM | 0 recs
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Re: Go ahead, DO a Rhode Island!
I just happen to be pro choice, pro universal healthcare, pro higher education for all, pro progressive tax, pro gun safety, anti war...  All of those tings just happen to fall under the umbrella of the big D.  Casey Jr's stances on all of those issues [and a slew more] fall outside of that big D.

I just also happen to not be in favor of appointing [for life] judges who are wackos.  Most of the elected Democrats in Congress believe the same way.  Casey Jr does not.  He sees something that just about every other Democrat I've spoken to about this SCOTUS nomination doesn't see.  He is out of line.

Call him what you want, or don't call him what you want, while he may be a D because he has a (D-PA) after his name, he surely doesn't seem to believe in that D much.

Chuck Pennacchio's the guy for the job.

by Albert 2006-01-25 10:31AM | 0 recs
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Re: Go ahead, DO a Rhode Island!
Casey supporting Alito is not very suprising. Casey is pro-life and Alito is a member of the 3rd District Court which includes Pennsylvania.

Don't you mean "anti-choice"? You see, if Saclito we're truly "pro-life" he wouldn't be such a vigorous defender of the unitary executive who can start wars and torture people at will.

Yep, it's all about abortion, nothing else matters. It's certainly not about "life".

by Michael Bersin 2006-01-25 01:01PM | 0 recs
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It Sucks
No defense for Casey on this front - Alito is wrong for the SCOTUS and Casey is wrong to endorse him, plain and simple. That said, he's still the only Democrat in the race who can beat Santorum. Vote for whoever you want in the primary, but we can't let Santorum pull this one out.
by bluenc 2006-01-25 12:15PM | 0 recs
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Casey = Santorum lite
Here are the respective positions of the PA candidates:


                                            Pennacchio       Santorum     Casey

Sensible Gun Control Laws       For              Against     Against

Iraq Exit Strategy                          For              Against     Against

Equal Rights                                  For              Against      Against

Expanded Stem Cell Research   For            Against      Against

Takes Corporate PAC Money       No                Yes             Yes

Reproductive Choice                    For                Against    Against

Death Penalty Moratorium            For                For           Against

Living Wage                                    For               Against     Against

Separation of Church & State       For               Against     Against

Can somebody remind me why PA Democrats should vote for Bob Casey?

by Gary Boatwright 2006-01-25 02:31PM | 0 recs
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Re: Casey = Santorum lite
Oh please. Casey supports expanding health care coverage and bringing down health care costs. Casey "is a strong supporter of increasing the minimum wage" (from his website). Casey is against CAFTA. Casey supports more funding for public education, after-school, and college. Casey is against privatizing Social Security. Casey wants to fix the Medicare prescription drug benefit. Casey supports making polluters pay for their crimes and was endorsed by the League of Conservation Voters. Casey supports proper funding for veterans benefits. He's a good Democrat.
by bluenc 2006-01-25 02:48PM | 0 recs
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Re: Casey = Santorum lite
Stop wasting your time with Gary. Only people like Dennis Kuchinch, Cynthia McKinney, Barbara Lee, and Maxine Waters can be "real Democrats". Anyone else is Republican-lite to him.
by jiacinto 2006-01-25 02:52PM | 0 recs
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Re: Casey = Santorum lite
Only people like Dennis Kuchinch, Cynthia McKinney, Barbara Lee, and Maxine Waters...

You mean the kind of people who speak out and advocate for the voiceless and powerless? What on earth is wrong with that? They're my kind of Democrats!
by Michael Bersin 2006-01-25 03:16PM | 0 recs
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Re: Casey = Santorum lite
Cynthia McKinney, the congresswoman who claimed that George Bush "may" have had prior knowledge of 9/11, but didn't act on it because the war on terror would boost the defense stocks of associates of his father? The congresswoman who claimed that Al Gore had a low "Negro tolerance level"? A congresswoman who was soundly beaten in a primary in a district Kerry carried with 72% because most of her constituents were sick of her divisive style? She's your kind of democrat?
by JRyan 2006-01-25 03:32PM | 0 recs
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You watch too much cable television
So much for critical thinking.

...Hi, Lynette. My name is Greg Palast, and I wanted to follow up on a story of yours. It says, let’s see, after the opening -- it’s about Cynthia McKinney -- it’s dated Washington byline August 21. “McKinney’s [opponent] capitalized on the furor caused by Miss McKinney’s suggestion this year that President Bush might have known about the September 11 attacks but did nothing so his supporters could make money in a war.” Now, I have been trying my darndest to find this phrase . . . I can’t. . .

Lynette Clemetson, New York Times: Did you search the Atlanta Journal Constitution?

Yes, but I haven’t been able to find that statement.

I’ve heard that statement--it was all over the place.

I know it was all over the place, except no one can find it and that’s why I’m concerned. Now did you see the statement in the Atlanta Journal Constitution?

Yeah....

[Note: No such direct quote from McKinney can be found in the Atlanta Journal Constitution.]

And did you confirm this with McKinney?

Well, I worked with her office. The statement is from the floor of the House [of Representatives].... Right?

So did you check the statement from the Floor of the House?

I mean I wouldn’t have done the story. . . . Have you looked at House transcripts?

Yes. Did you check that?

Of course.

You did check it?

[Note: No such McKinney statement can be found in the transcripts or other records of the House of Representatives.]

I think you have to go back to the House transcripts.... I mean it was all over the place at the time.

Yes, this is one fact the Times reporter didn’t fake: The McKinney “quote” was, indeed, all over the place: in the Washington Post, National Public Radio, and needless to say, all the other metropolitan dailies--everywhere but in Congresswoman McKinney’s mouth.

Nor was it in the Congressional Record, nor in any recorded talk, nor on her Website, nor in any of her radio talks. Here’s the Congresswoman’s statement from the record:

“George Bush had no prior knowledge of the plan to attack the World Trade Center on September 11.”

Oh.

And I should say former Congresswoman McKinney.

She was beaten in the August 2002 Democratic primary. More precisely, she was beaten to death, politically, by the fabricated quote...

The "Mighty Wurlitzer" doesn't need your help.

by Michael Bersin 2006-01-25 05:23PM | 0 recs
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Re: You watch too much cable television
I see you have no response to what she said about Al Gore. Talk about a circular firing squad.

This isn't the exact quote I was looking for, but check this out:"In a recent interview with a Berkeley, Calif., radio station, McKinney said: "We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11th. . . . What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11th? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? . . . What do they have to hide?"

Found here

McKinney is, frankly, a disgrace. She wouldn't vote for a resolution comdemning the anti-Semitic speeches of a Louis Farrakhan disciple, Khaild Muhammad. She publicly apologized to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, who had offered 10 million in aid to New York, but was turned down because he took the opportunity to say: "Our Palestinian brethren continue to be slaughtered at the hands of Israelis while the world turns the other cheek." Get a grip. She wasn't beaten 58-42 just because of that quote.  Even more interesting, her father blamed her defeat on "J-E-W-S".

Do you have a better excuse for that quote, perhaps better than it doesn't exist?

by JRyan 2006-01-25 06:10PM | 0 recs
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You still watch too much cable television
Get a grip. She wasn't beaten 58-42 just because of that quote.

Is that why she get re-elected after that?

You have so much faith in the Washington Post, eh? You'd think there might be some questions about their credibility these days.

As for the "Jew" thing, life is a little more complicated than you think [be careful, don't assume too much!].

Do you have a better excuse for that quote, perhaps better than it doesn't exist?

Heh. It worked for the first one, didn't it?

Does Cynthia McKinney have a lot of baggage? You betcha. Does she deserve all the baggage that our lazy media piles on her? No.

Looking at her background, I like what Jesse Jackson said in 1984: "...I am not a perfect servant. I am a public servant doing my best against the odds. As I develop and serve, be patient. God is not finished with me yet..."

Now compare her "sins" to, say, I dunno, the host in the current republican party.

It remains that Cynthia McKinney speaks up for the voiceless.

by Michael Bersin 2006-01-26 12:54AM | 0 recs
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Re: You still watch too much cable television
She was reected because she ran a stealth campaign. She didn't say anything, never went on TV, and didn't even send flyers to most of the precincts in the district. She relied on an ultra-loyal grassroots base, and on a shattered field with candidates who, in total, recieved 49% of the vote in the primary. Later, even thought Kerry won the district with 72%, McKinney still ran 8% behind Kerry.

And don't think I haven't read that article. It may explain some, but not all of her views. I think her justification for voting against condemnation was extremely weak.

"Does Cynthia McKinney have a lot of baggage? You betcha. Does she deserve all the baggage that our lazy media piles on her? No."

She has too much baggage. And I'd like democrats to hold themselves to higher standard than republicans. And frankly, anyone can claim to speak for the voiceless to further their own ambitions. If McKinney really cared about Africans and the poor, she would think twice about making idiotic statements that would diminish her credibility.

by JRyan 2006-01-26 03:40AM | 0 recs
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Re: You still watch too much cable television
Yawn. You continue to do the work of the "Mighty Wurlitzer".
by Michael Bersin 2006-01-26 04:37AM | 0 recs
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One-liners instead of debate?
I'll just stop trying, but I'm not suprised that you don't even try to acknowledge, excuse or argue about the perfectly valid information I gave you about McKinney.
by JRyan 2006-01-26 05:22AM | 0 recs
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How about something more than rnc spin?
As if you've addressed your recycling of right wingnut memes and talking points? Yawn.

I don't really care if you like or dislike a particular Democrat. That's your problem.

What I find amazing is your propensity for damning the Democrats with who you happen to disagree in the language and memes of the republicans and their right wingnut enablers.

That's right, perpetuate their memes that people who speak out are not in the "mainstream". Yep, let's continue to comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted, just like the republicans do - that'll sure get us some more votes.

by Michael Bersin 2006-01-26 07:16AM | 0 recs
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Get bent

"recycling of right wingnut memes and talking points?"

Bull. I pulled stuff from the Almanac of American Politics and the Washington Post, hardly full of "right wingnut memes and talking points". You might not like the way the Washington Post reports things, but instead of dealing with the legitimate quote I handed you, you attacked the Post's credibility. If you aren't going to respond to evidence fairly, you should post somewhere else. Free Republic perhaps.

"What I find amazing is your propensity for damning the Democrats with who you happen to disagree in the language and memes of the republicans and their right wingnut enablers."

"That's right, perpetuate their memes that people who speak out are not in the "mainstream"."

What exactly are you talking about? Did I criticize Barbara Lee? Did I criticize Maxine Waters? Did I criticize Dennis Kucinich (although I don't like him)? Did I criticize John Conyers or Louise Slaughter, two other democrats that speak out? No. I criticized Cynthia McKinney. Guess what? She isn't in the mainstream, for any of the comprehensive reasons I've given here. It's obvious that you have no idea how to honestly debate anything, because suddenly any criticism of McKinney is suddenly doing the work of the "Mighty Wurlitzer", or deserves a "yawn", or I become the bad guy doing the work of republicans because I don't agree with her vicious criticism of Al Gore, and don't think that it helps anyone when she peddles her ridiculous conspiracy theories.
God forbid we should ever call out people on our side for being out of line.

by JRyan 2006-01-26 11:39AM | 0 recs
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Re: Get bent

because I don't agree with her vicious criticism of Al Gore

Do you have a link to McKinney's "vicious criticism of Al Gore"?

by Gary Boatwright 2006-01-26 11:46AM | 0 recs
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Re: Get bent

Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, a black woman, accused Al of engaging in "Jim Crow practices" in limiting the number of black agents assigned to his Secret Service detail. She said the vice president has something called a low "Negro tolerance level." Said Miss McKinney of the agents' claims, on her Official Internet Web Page:

"Gore's Negro tolerance level has never been too high. I've never known him to have more than one black person around him at any given time. I'm not shocked, but I am certainly saddened by this revelation."

This is a pretty good link about her that mentions it

by JRyan 2006-01-26 11:59AM | 0 recs
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Also, just search on google, msn, etc, and you'll find that in 2000, dozens of conservatives picked up what McKinney said and used it to further smear Gore.

by JRyan 2006-01-26 12:10PM | 0 recs
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Get bent
Heh. Your self-righteousness is inversely proportional to the quality of your content.

What I find really fascinating is that you think Izvestia on the Potomac has any credibility. Seriously, that's funny!

I see you have no response to what she said about Al Gore. Talk about a circular firing squad.
I see, we've met before this. Heh.

...For example, she criticized vice-president Al Gore, saying his "Negro tolerance has never been too high. I've never seen him around more than one at a time." While most would not use the same words, many feel that Gore's loss in 2000 was partly due to the fact that he failed to fully court the black vote. Some of Gore's African American staffers might echo McKinney's sentiments, if not her stridency, in describing the former vice-president's shortcomings. In fact, across the spectrum, people have criticized not only Gore's "Negro tolerance", but also his "people tolerance". A kinder, gentler, more tolerant Gore might be sitting in the White House today....

Double Standards and 9/11 Inquiries
Where is Cynthia McKinney?
By GRAYSON CHILDS

So, that outspoken Cynthia McKinney should have kept her mouth shut?

Cynthia McKinney, the congresswoman who claimed that George Bush "may" have had prior knowledge of 9/11, but didn't act on it because the war on terror would boost the defense stocks of associates of his father? The congresswoman who claimed that Al Gore had a low "Negro tolerance level"? A congresswoman who was soundly beaten in a primary in a district Kerry carried with 72% because most of her constituents were sick of her divisive style? She's your kind of democrat?

She was reected because she ran a stealth campaign. She didn't say anything, never went on TV, and didn't even send flyers to most of the precincts in the district. She relied on an ultra-loyal grassroots base, and on a shattered field with candidates who, in total, recieved 49% of the vote in the primary. Later, even thought Kerry won the district with 72%, McKinney still ran 8% behind Kerry...
...She has too much baggage. And I'd like democrats to hold themselves to higher standard than republicans. And frankly, anyone can claim to speak for the voiceless to further their own ambitions. If McKinney really cared about Africans and the poor, she would think twice about making idiotic statements that would diminish her credibility.

Uh. Winning with 64% of the vote [72% for Kerry, minus 8%, equals 64% for McKinney, right?] is usually considered "very good".

So, which is it? Did the "smart" voters of her district throw her out, only to become really "stupid" later and vote her back into office? Hmmm. I wonder. Maybe time allowed them to see through the overheated accusations of the previous election. You think?

Amateur.

by Michael Bersin 2006-01-26 12:37PM | 0 recs
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The fact that you would compare the Post to a Soviet propoganda rag should show anyone still reading this diary (which I doubt) who the amateur is here.

"While most would not use the same words"

Most? How about no one? Basically insinuating that Al Gore is a racist is reprehensible. It's also stupid, given that Donna Brazile was his campaign manager. I am actually shocked that you're willing to defend her for that.

"Some of Gore's African American staffers might echo McKinney's sentiments"

Let them come forth then. Oh, wait. None did, and putting words in their mouths to advance your own views is dishonest. And why exactly would anyone believe Gore had a low "Negro tolerance" if he has all these African American staffers?  

"So, that outspoken Cynthia McKinney should have kept her mouth shut?"

Bush made lots of speeches spreading freedom to the world. I guess Bush should get all the credit for the Orange Revolution then, right?

And what about all those other incidents? When she publicly apologized to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal do you think she should have kept her mouth shut?

"Uh. Winning with 64% of the vote [72% for Kerry, minus 8%, equals 64% for McKinney, right?] is usually considered "very good"."

No, not really. McKinney's district is D+23. Other democratic districts with that kind of plurality are GA-5, at D+23, FL-20, at D+18  (66%), FL-11, at D+11 (58%), FL-3, at D+16 (65%), CO-1, at D+18 (68%), CA-38, at D+20 (65%, 70% in 2000), CA-34, at D+23 (69%), etc. I could go on, but my point is that in 2004, John Lewis, Lucille Roybal-Allard, Grace Napolitano, Diana DeGette, Corinne Brown, Jim Davis, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, in districts either as or less democratic than McKinney's, either crushed their opponents by a much higher margin than McKinney, or were completely unopposed. Some, like Wasserman Schultz (who won with 70%), were just elected in 2004. McKinney was a congresswoman for a decade, and, while in a more democratic district than Schultz, was still unable to rack up the points. Is this splitting hairs? YES. This whole portion of the debate is totally useless. Just don't say that McKinney's margin is "very good".

by JRyan 2006-01-26 02:56PM | 0 recs
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I guess I'll have to explain the joke, eh?

You see, the Washington Post has credibility problems. You know, with Bob Woodward servicing the administration for access for his book sales while he withholds information from his editors. Or Deborah Howell, the so called "ombudsman", getting embarassed as an rnc talking points shill.

The fact that you would compare the Post to a Soviet propoganda rag should show anyone still reading this diary (which I doubt) who the amateur is here.

So, how long have you been working for the Post in deliveries, Comrad?

To translate the joke from the Russian: "The truth is not the news, and the news is not the truth"

Pravda = "truth", Izvestia = "news"

Judy Miller's paper is Pravda on the Hudson.

So, the joke is, the Post has as much credibility as the old Soviet papers. The difference here is at least the Russian people had the ability to recognize their papers were serving up a bunch of crap.

by Michael Bersin 2006-01-26 04:54PM | 0 recs
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I don't recall ever defending Bob Woodward, or Deborah Howell. They have nothing to do with the article on McKinney. If you think there are errors in the specific Post article I mentioned, say so. If not, stop wasting my time.

by JRyan 2006-01-26 05:00PM | 0 recs
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Re: I guess I'll have to explain the joke, eh?

I don't recall ever defending Bob Woodward, or Deborah Howell. They have nothing to do with the article on McKinney. If you think there are errors in the specific Post article I mentioned, say so. If not, stop wasting my time.

I do recall your defending the credibility of the Post. Don't the people who work for the paper have something to do with its credibility?

If you think I'm wasting your time, precious, then don't read this and don't reply. Heh.

Everything is pedagogy. Maybe you've learned that some Democrats do stand up to mindless repetition of rnc talking points, memes, and frames instead of crouching in the corner whining, "please don't hurt me."

Thus endeth the lesson, grasshopper.

by Michael Bersin 2006-01-26 05:23PM | 0 recs
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Yeah, you're all real heroes.

by JRyan 2006-01-26 05:26PM | 0 recs
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What do you mean "we"? Gasp, don't tell me you're one of those "let's all blandly smile and hold hands and sing songs of brotherhood while the opposition stabs us in the back Democrats", are you? I'd have never guessed such just by the way you write.

by Michael Bersin 2006-01-26 05:39PM | 0 recs
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Re: I guess I'll have to explain the joke, eh?

Sarcasm becomes you. I'm a believer in the Jim Wright/Thomas Reed school of politics. When we have the power, grind the opposition's faces in the dirt. When we don't have the power, fight until we do, but fight smart. To paraphrase Reed, one man/woman with courage and God might make a majority, but plenty of martyrs have been burned at the stake while the votes were being counted.

by JRyan 2006-01-26 05:46PM | 0 recs
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Oh, wait, it's right down the page:

"With her comments concerning Sept. 11, McKinney, 47, seems to have tapped into a web of conspiracy theories circulating during the past six months among people who believe that the government is partially -- or entirely -- to blame for last year's attacks, which killed more than 3,000 people.

"What is undeniable is that corporations close to the administration have directly benefited from the increased defense spending arising from the aftermath of September 11th," McKinney charged. "America's credibility, both with the world and with her own people, rests upon securing credible answers to these questions." "

It's called insinuation.

by JRyan 2006-01-25 06:13PM | 0 recs
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Cynthia McKinney is as disgraceful as any right winger in the GOP.

As you can see from some of the Far left in this thread, there is absolutely no difference between the Far right & the Far left.

Both extemists share views that are based on fantasies in their colorful minds.

They are so out of touch with reality that its not even funny.

by fightingLadyinblue 2006-01-25 07:19PM | 0 recs
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Begone, troll.
by space 2006-01-26 03:16AM | 0 recs
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This troll has visited us before. It is one of the most ill mannered trolls ever spawned.
by Gary Boatwright 2006-01-26 03:28AM | 0 recs
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Re: Casey = Santorum lite
Also, people who can't win statewide elections. It's great to have some folks who share your principles, but let's face it: Penacchio can't win PA. Casey can.
by bluenc 2006-01-25 03:33PM | 0 recs
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is a strong supporter of increasing the minimum wage

Which is not the same as a living wage.

Casey supports more funding for public education, after-school, and college

That sure is bold.

Casey is against privatizing Social Security. Casey wants to fix the Medicare prescription drug benefit.

Wow!

Casey supports making polluters pay for their crimes and was endorsed by the League of Conservation Voters. Casey supports proper funding for veterans benefits.

Is that it? Those are Casey's only differences with Santorum? Casey sounds like a solid moderate Republican to me.

by Gary Boatwright 2006-01-25 03:23PM | 0 recs
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Yeah, and Penacchio sounds like a Marxist-Leninist to me. Political caricatures are stupid, Gary. If Casey is elected, we have a chance of seeing of Majority Leader Harry Reid. If Santorum wins, it's more Bill Frist. Or maybe Santorum goes for the leadership spot himself.
by bluenc 2006-01-25 03:31PM | 0 recs
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If Casey is elected, we have a chance of seeing of Majority Leader Harry Reid.

That isn't the point.  The question is WHY is he the Democratic candidate in the first place?  It goes without saying that Dems could use an additional seat in the Senate.  But does Casey help the Democrats do that? NO.  Casey is about the only guy who could lose to Santorum because he will have zero grassroots enthusiasm.

If this was Alabama we were talking about, I could accept a conservative nominee.   But it is Pennsylvania.  Not being pro-choice is bad enough.  It isn't necessary to be anti-abortion to win in PA (see Spector, Arlen). But endorsing Alito?  Give me a break.  I'm sorry, but supporting increased funding for schools is not more important than preserving Separation of Powers and the Bill of Rights.

Backing Casey was a moronic decision on the part of Schumer which might actually COST the Democrats the Senate majority.

by space 2006-01-26 01:27AM | 0 recs
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Wait, in what universe does Penacchio have a better chance of beating Santorum than Casey?

by bluenc 2006-01-26 03:04PM | 0 recs
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Are you related to Cynthia? Some of the views you spew are way way to the Left.

It seems like any Democrat who doesn't think exactly like you is a DINO? Am I right?

If we allowed you to chose our Message & pick Democratic candidates for office, We Would Lose All current Democratic seats in the South, the Midwest, the Southwest, the Rocky Mountaints & many some in the Northeast.

We would be left with California, New York & Massachusetts as the only Democratic controlled  state.

That's how wacked & out of touch you are with mainstream voters. O well!

by fightingLadyinblue 2006-01-25 07:29PM | 0 recs
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It seems like any Democrat who doesn't think exactly like you is a DINO? Am I right?

You aren't very bright for a mind reader are you?

by Gary Boatwright 2006-01-25 08:25PM | 0 recs
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Are you related to a hairy troll on loan from FReeRepublic.  Some of your talking points are way, way wingnut.
by space 2006-01-26 01:29AM | 0 recs
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Labor
Don't forget his strong support for labor unions.
by LiberalFromPA 2006-01-25 06:08PM | 0 recs
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why is he saying he'd vote for alito if he's really for the little guy?  he just lost some [not a lot, but some still] support from the unions on Tuesday.  Inquirer article here.
by Albert 2006-01-26 05:04AM | 0 recs
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Terrific.

When leaders of the Philadelphia AFL-CIO called a meeting Tuesday to unify behind Casey, the officers left divided. Casey earned the overall endorsement, but three unions and Pat Gillespie, president of the Building and Construction Trades Council, backed Sen. Rick Santorum (R., Pa.) over the Democrat.
by Gary Boatwright 2006-01-26 05:17AM | 0 recs
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Unions
A union backing Santorum says more about the union than about Santorum or Casey (and what it says ain't good).
by LiberalFromPA 2006-01-26 05:33AM | 0 recs
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doesn't it give you pause that he's willing to tip the balance of the supreme court over to a group whose agenda is so dangerous to freedom? All Casey's Demo policy positions will be set at nought when a neo-con supreme court starts dismantling workers rights, environmental protections, freedom of speech and the federalist list goes on...
by ianrsuk 2006-01-26 02:01AM | 0 recs
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Bingo.

"I wanted worker protections.  Don't blame me that the Supreme Court just found them unconstitutional,"

by space 2006-01-26 03:14AM | 0 recs
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Um, because "sensible gun control laws" is an oxymoron?

I support Casey for the same reason I support Feingold and the same reason I supported Dean.  Until the Democratic Party takes gun control completely off the agenda, we will continue to lose, lose, lose.

by ACSR 2006-01-26 02:47AM | 0 recs
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Wrong, wrong and wrong. Howard Dean supports sensible gun control laws. Do you want convicted felons and mental patients to be able to buy a gun without getting a permit?
by Gary Boatwright 2006-01-26 05:59AM | 0 recs
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Y'know, I always love it when people try to change the subject from gun rights to "keeping guns out of the hands of convicted felons and the mentally ill".  Gun control laws don't keep guns out of their hands, they keep them out of the hands of the rest of us.  This issue is just like the abortion issue - if abortion is made illegal, abortion will continue at the same rates, it will only move to the black market with unsafe back alley abortions.  I also take issue with your choice of words here, that "convicted felons" (including those with nonviolent convictions long in their past, who deserve a right to get on with their lives with a clean slate and get their rights back) rather than "criminals" (those who intend to continue in a life of crime) shouldn't have guns.  Do you also believe convicted felons shouldn't be allowed to vote for the rest of their lives and be subject to lifelong job discrimination too?

by ACSR 2006-01-27 03:56AM | 0 recs
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wow, another thread about Bob Casey!
this will change his supporters' minds for sure this time!
by johnny longtorso 2006-01-25 05:41PM | 0 recs
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As a Pennsylvanian
I observe that Santorum's electoral success in PA has been based on coldly and viciously exploiting the calculus on the wedge issue of abortion on a socially conservative, catholic, aging Pennsylvania electorate.  That is it. That is all he's got.

On this issue, Rick Santorum pretends to be what Bob Casey is.

Before this race is over, we'll have to hear a passive-aggresive Rick fall back on his old "sickly childhood" schtick and may even face the further exploitation (by the owners of Rick's soul) of Gabriel's tragic life an death for electoral ends.

I, for one, want to see what the consequences of this Casey declaration are for this election in my state for my Senate representative, all your armchair king-making be damned.

by cargocult 2006-01-26 02:11AM | 0 recs

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