Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46 UPDATED 2x

Cross-posted at Clintonistas for Obama.

John McCain's negative attacks are beginning to work:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows the race for the White House is tied with Barack Obama and John McCain each attracting 44% of the vote. However, when "leaners" are included, it's McCain 47% and Obama 46%. This is the first time McCain has enjoyed even a statistically insignificant advantage of any sort since Obama clinched the Democratic nomination on June 3 (see recent daily results). Tracking Polls are released at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time each day.

What happened? McCain has opened up a lead among independents:

A week ago today, Obama had a three-percentage point lead and the candidates were even among unaffiliated voters. Today, McCain leads 52% to 37% among unaffiliateds.

The negative attacks have taken their toll on Obama's favorables...especially among independents:

McCain is currently viewed favorably by 55% of the nation's voters, Obama by 51%. That is the lowest rating for Obama since he wrapped up the nomination. Obama is viewed favorably by 83% of Democrats, 22% of Republicans, and 47% of unaffiliated voters. For McCain, the numbers are 87% favorable among Republicans, 26% among Democrats, and 61% among unaffiliated voters.

During the primaries, Hillary repeated warned that his numbers would start to fall when the GOP attack machine kicked into high gear.  And now they have.

The Obama campaign cannot replicate their strategy of It's the same old Washington politics.  The Washington politician is picking on me.  Shame on the Washington politician. The Washington politician he is facing is a known--and respected--politician.

There's been some chatter lately about the need for Obama to bring in a fighter.  I hope Obama heeds the call because Hope and Change aren't going to be enough in this election.

UPDATED at 3:08pm by Psychodrew:

As one of the purity trolls below pointed out, I forgot to include the link in my diary. I have fixed that. For those of you who are not intelligent enough to know that you can find Rasmussen's website through Google, I apologize--and pity you.

UPDATED at 3:39pm by Psychodrew:

There are now THREE response diaries on the rec list! I'm flattered, guys. Truly.

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Tags: Barack Obama, John McCain, polls (all tags)

Comments

179 Comments

Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

McCain started to early, Obama will hit back like his new energy, ad, but McCain 3 months of being negative?

yeah that will back fire, they pulled this to early

by TruthMatters 2008-08-04 05:46AM | 0 recs
I don't like Obama on the attack.

It just doesn't seem natural to him.  I think he needs a vicious attack dog VP.  What do you think?

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 05:49AM | 0 recs
Agreed. n/t

by sricki 2008-08-04 06:39AM | 0 recs
Re: I don't like Obama on the attack.

I think drew that you STILL haven't gotten over your primary loss, and use every chance you get to bring Hillary into a conversation. And just to remiind you the G.E. is won state by state. We use the electrol college to elect the President. It's done state by state, and by that metric Obama is leading McCain. Thank you for your concern though, it's really helping to elect our democratic nominee.

by venician 2008-08-04 08:09AM | 0 recs
Unfair, I think. n/t

by Koan 2008-08-04 08:19AM | 0 recs
Purity troll alert!

DFTT

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Purity troll alert!

So I guess this makes you an UnPure Troll. Nice!

by venician 2008-08-04 11:14AM | 0 recs
Did I hurt your feelings?

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by psychodrew 2008-08-04 11:24AM | 0 recs
Birds of a feather

Oh god, I just read your tag line and the fact that you are blogging with Linfar tells me alot about your integrity or lack their of. She has ZERO credidbilty left, after her discusting behavior over prayer gate.

by venician 2008-08-04 11:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Birds of a feather

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by psychodrew 2008-08-04 11:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Birds of a feather

Your self portrait says it all.

by venician 2008-08-04 11:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Birds of a feather

psychodrew, I commend you for speaking your mind regardless of the potential attacks that some responders would provide.

I'll tell you that a picture speaks a thousand words. It's so clear and concise! Kudos to you...

by Check077 2008-08-04 12:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Birds of a feather

Thanks!

Venetian is a purity troll.  He hates people who don't agree with him.  Most people here aren't like that.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 02:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Birds of a feather

So that makes you, what, an unPure troll

by venician 2008-08-04 09:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Birds of a feather

ah, thanks for coming out of the closet as a pro-McLamer. I suspected, nice that you confirm it finally after all your trolling

by zerosumgame 2008-08-04 04:57PM | 0 recs
Ask mommy for a hug...

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by psychodrew 2008-08-04 06:23PM | 0 recs
No way.

Do not agree. At all.

The national polling trends are a little silly, since Obama has been making serious gains in the Electoral College all week. Rasmussen always leans a little right, especially in their "Likely Voter" model (something they indirectly admitted a couple weeks ago).

Obama's win in the primaries is a perfect model for what we can expect for the general election: He learned the rules, he played by the rules, he won by the rules.

Do we need an attack dog? No way. We need a member of the team. McCain can attack until he's blue in the face. His surrogates will continue to release contradictory, absurd, and baseless accusations. The RNC will continue to release ads and statements that paint Obama as an elitist  celebrity. This will not change, regardless of who we have as VP.

This election will be won on the ground. No matter what Rasmussen of Gallup is telling you, McCain's attacks do one thing really, really well: they fire up the Democratic base.

For me, I'll stick with the numbers at 538.

by not Brit 2008-08-04 08:13AM | 0 recs
Smart strategy!

Find the poll that confirms what you believe and champion it.

Brilliant!

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Smart strategy!

No, that's what you've just done.  538 has all the polls, and averages them.

You take the worst one and write a diary on it.

by Jess81 2008-08-04 11:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Smart strategy!

Thank you Jess, that is exactly what he's done.

by venician 2008-08-04 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Smart strategy!

I wrote a diary because the results are worth discussing.  If you can't handle uncomfortable facts and dissenting points of view, you need to swim in the kiddie pool.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Smart strategy!

It's not that I "can't handle" it, that's a silly charge. It's that daily tracking polls are f#%@ing stupid.

Let's ignore the fact that daily polls 90 days before an election are useless indicators. Let's also ignore the fact that "likely voter" models are thrown out the window this year. Let's also ignore the fact that Rasmussen actually LOWERED their percentage of Democrats this month. Oh, and please ignore the fact that 30% of the country has yet to watch a speech by EITHER candidate. Please ignore the fact that polls have a proven tendency to create opinion, rather than measure it. And, oh yeah, you have to ignore the fact that the electoral college, not a popular vote, will decide the presidential election.

You can ignore all of that as long as you recognize that polling from a single organization simply cannot accurately measure A) actual national preference B) likelihood of voter turnout or C) volunteer and voter enthusiasm.

So f#%@ your kiddie pool. If you're interested in numbers, let's talk about the numbers at Pollster, RCP, or 538. At least they are trying to find an accurate measurement.

by not Brit 2008-08-04 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Smart strategy!

I'm not embracing this poll to the exclusion of all others.  I felt the results merited a discussion as it showed a drop in support among independents.

Go back to the kiddie pool and don't forget your floaties.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 06:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Smart strategy!

Come on, man. I understand holding on to an opinion, but don't be a dick.

Floaties.

by not Brit 2008-08-04 10:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

You put too much faith in tracking poll's.

Most poll's during the primary season under-estimated Obama's support. In other words he out performed the poll's in nearly all states which measured his support whether he won or lost.

Examople Missouri. Survey USA showed Hillary winning by 7-8 PTS AND oBAMA won by 1-2 pts

by BDM 2008-08-04 05:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

I don't put too much faith in tracking polls.

This far out, they're not very useful, but they're good for identifying a trend.

I'm not saying that the sky is falling and McCain is going to win.  What I'm saying is that this election is not going to be a cake walk.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 05:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

There are a couple of areas of the country where McCain is doing extremely well: Oklahoma (+32); Kentucky (+21); Kansas (+23); Utah (+19).

Of course there are some large states where Obama is doing well: California (+15); New York (+20); Illinois (+17).

When we see a shift in California (for example) of +20 to +15, it makes a big difference in the national average, but Obama is going to win Califoria no matter what.

I think that the national polls are essentially useless.  It's like watching a baseball game and only paying attention to the number of walks.  Issuing too many walks will be harmful to a team's chances, but that is not how the game is scored.

We can like it or not like it, but all that matters is the electoral college.  And I think Obama is looking like a 300+ candidate there.

by smoker1 2008-08-04 08:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

This election could very well be a blowout.  But his leads in many of those states are within the margin of error.

I'm not saying that he doesn't have the advantage here.  He does.  What I'm saying is that--according to this poll--he's not doing as well among independents as was three weeks ago.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

"McCain started to early, Obama will hit back like his new energy, ad, but McCain 3 months of being negative?

yeah that will back fire, they pulled this to early"

Nonsense, John Kerry was destroyed in August by the swiftboaters. It's not only not too early, it's almost running late. The McCain campaign has to define Obama in voters' minds before he can define himself. Obama's talking about his family background isn't enough, he doesn't have a record of accomplishments and committed positions taken over time to establish himself and  reassure voters who are only now being introduced to him. His dramatic loss in the number of independent voters is a harbinger of how ineffective and weak a candidate he is. None of his campaign's predictions regarding those independent voters is materializing, he hasn't made his case with them. The "arrogant" meme is sticking, and it makes him very unattractive.

by 07rescue 2008-08-04 06:18AM | 0 recs
"weak" and "ineffective"?????

Remember one thing.  This is the guy who defeated the Hillary Clinton political machine.  That was no small task.

He's not a bad candidate.  He's a great candidate who needs to start throwing some punches.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 06:25AM | 0 recs
He only defeated Hillary because of the race Card!

Now he is out of those race cards. If you keep repeating that he defeated Hillary you would be deceiving your self. He defeated Hillary only because there was coup in the Democratic party. When hillary was in the contest they never fully wanted to seat FL and MI. Obama is an illegitimate nominee of the Democratic party.

I will vote for him only because he represents the Dem party.

by indydem99 2008-08-04 07:21AM | 0 recs
slightly confused

Wait,

did he only defeat her because of the race card, or because there was a coup in the Democratic party, or because of FL and MI?

That's three only-s.

by vadasz 2008-08-04 08:33AM | 0 recs
Now that he is the nominee he wants

to seat Fl amd MI another Flip flop. This the same guy that claimed FL and MI vote should not count.

by indydem99 2008-08-04 08:54AM | 0 recs
Actually he said in February that...

...whoever was the nominee would seat both delegations in their entirety. Next.

by conspiracy 2008-08-04 09:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Actually he said in February that...

Owned!

by fogiv 2008-08-04 01:21PM | 0 recs
Winning a primary isn't the same

as winning the GE.  That's often the downfall of candidates who come from Dem dominated districts where the real election for them is the primary. They're good at beating up fellow Dems and triangulating GOP supporters to win a primary, but have little experience in taking on the GOP as an opponent instead of an ally.

Obama can overcome it, but it requires a fundamental change in mindset: from one of disliking half the Dem voting base and liking GOP'ers to a mindset of liking all Dem voters while learning to dislike the GOP.  Its not as easy as it sounds. It explains how a Clinton or a Carter can fight better in the GE than Kerry or Ted Kennedy.

I'm convinced he can do it, he has to try.

by Betsy McCall 2008-08-04 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

that was by swiftboaters,

McCain is basically doing this personally, it will not look presidential for him and his campaign to continue with the nonsense they have been doing for 3 months,

Obama is up by 10 among working class whites, why is that? oh yeah he is talking about the issues.

McCain spending 3 months arguing how much of a celeb Obama is, will not win in the end.

by TruthMatters 2008-08-04 06:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

Get back to redstate, you ridiculous McCain-supporting joke:

http://archive.redstate.com/blogs/susann ah/2008/jun/20/how_to_reach_out_to_clint on_voters_using_specific_issues

I don't agree with McCain's positions on many issues, but I do like and respect him as a person, so he has gained my support. I simply value free and fair elections too much to support Obama, who's ideas of fair play horrify me, and will damage democracy in this country. Many Clinton voters agree with me, and for our own reasons will support him, and do the best we can to help him beat Obama in this election.

....

I encountered far too many pissed off Republicans in my travels to primary states. ... I personally spent a considerable amount of time disabusing Obama-leaning Republicans of the idea that Obama would be any improvement over Bush ... .

You must be pretty shameless to still be posting here. Or perhaps your new "friends" at redstate found you as pathetic as we do and banned you. That's MyDD for you...even redstate's refuse can't get banned here.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-08-04 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

Well spotted Johnny Gentle. Big Kudos

by duende 2008-08-04 07:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

That's not even the worst quote.  There's also his allegation that Obama's tactics include kidnappings and drive-by shootings (seriously!).

by Jess81 2008-08-04 11:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

May be the case.  Voters could be tired of it come October.

But the poster is right.  Obama does need to bring in an attack dog, and he really does need to consider Clinton.  Believe me, I'm not sanguine about that.

by Drummond 2008-08-04 07:59AM | 0 recs
Tips/flames??

I am wearing my flame retardant pantsuit.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 05:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Tips/flames??

Guess you had to wait a couple months to uncork this one.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-08-04 07:38AM | 0 recs
The Independents are key

If Obama drops among Independents, he is in trouble.

I'm not sure if this is the race card stuff or oil drilling or the general ad campaign. But he needs to run about even among Independents.

by elrod 2008-08-04 05:48AM | 0 recs
Re: The Independents are key

It's early, but this is a wake-up call.  This election isn't going to be a cake walk.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 05:52AM | 0 recs
It's the end of the world as we know it...

...and I feel fine.

by conspiracy 2008-08-04 05:48AM | 0 recs
Obama had a GREAT primary strategy.
Now. he needs a different strategy for the  general election.
Simply TR'ing opponents, or yelling "racist!", works in a democratic primary, NOT a general election.
by kosnomore 2008-08-04 05:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama had a GREAT primary strategy.

Simply TR'ing opponents

I didn't know candidates could troll rate!  You learn something new everyday.  ;)

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama had a GREAT primary strategy.

Where have you been?  It was a big controversy a few weeks ago.  McCain troll rated a comment by Obama, and Obama responded by going into McCain's comment history and troll rating like ten random comments.  It was all over Fox News.  What rock have you been living under?  Obama should be banned from the blogs.  What a jerk!

by SpideyDem 2008-08-04 06:33AM | 0 recs
Ha! Love it! n/t

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 07:21AM | 0 recs
This was bound to happen

But the Obama campaign has begun to hit hard this week.

Let's see what happens.

by puma 2008-08-04 05:52AM | 0 recs
Re: This was bound to happen

Why was it bound to happen that our candidate would be losing in one of the major tracking polls while our party enjoyed a 13 point advantage in the generic congressional ballot?

I've still got faith that Obama can hit back and that we will win in the end.  But let's be honest here.  McCain has basically won the summer on balance thus far.  Given the overall political environment, they are probably ecstatic to be where they are right now.

by Fuzzy Dunlop 2008-08-04 05:59AM | 0 recs
Re: This was bound to happen

I agree with (and I hate this username) puma.

We were never going to just sail into the White House.  It was always going to be a fight.

Well my claws are out!  Are yours?

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 06:02AM | 0 recs
Re: This was bound to happen

My claws have been out for some time.

It was always going to be a fight, as presidential campaigns nearly always are.  But that doesn't mean I'm going to stop thinking critically about how the race is developing.

by Fuzzy Dunlop 2008-08-04 06:25AM | 0 recs
Re: This was bound to happen

Please continue to think critically.  I just don't agree with you.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 06:30AM | 0 recs
Looks like they learned from

their failures of last week.

They came out attacking this week.

by Geekesque 2008-08-04 05:59AM | 0 recs
I haven't seen the news today.

What's going on?

Personally, I don't like Obama on the attack.  It just doesn't seem to suit him.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 06:04AM | 0 recs
there's a contrast ad on gas prices

It's only a small start on what needs to be done.

by John DE 2008-08-04 06:28AM | 0 recs
Pointing out that McCain is in

the pocket of the oil companies like Bush is.

by Geekesque 2008-08-04 06:33AM | 0 recs
Re: I haven't seen the news today.

Agreed.  But at least it's a substance attack.

by Drummond 2008-08-04 08:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

McCain will be in the lead all but a few days until the election and will win by 6-8%.

Obama needs to cancel his vacation--and what's this stuff about tire gauges?

I'm really just going to focus on Congress the
rest of the way.  It's over.

by esconded 2008-08-04 06:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

You're being a little dramatic.

One tracking poll has given McCain a non-significant lead.  It's not a reason to give up (or celebrate if you're a McBlogger).  It's a reason to fight.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 06:08AM | 0 recs
I agree he is going on vacation at...

...exactly the wrong time but you are overreacting with the other stuff.

by conspiracy 2008-08-04 06:16AM | 0 recs
But he's been working out 3x per day

He'll get photographed with his shirt off in Hawaii, and his poll numbers will rise.

by catfish2 2008-08-04 01:19PM | 0 recs
Thanks for the belly laugh!

It made my morning.

by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem 2008-08-04 08:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

Thanks for your help, Chicken Little. We'd best go warn the King.

by Denny Crane 2008-08-04 08:30AM | 0 recs
Independents are the ones

most persuadable on the basis of flip-flopping charges.  That's why I didn't feel his support of the offshore drilling compromise, even if the support was lukewarm, was good politics, let alone good policy.  Indies often prefer a candidate that "tells them what they need to hear, rather than what they want to hear," even if they disagree with the candidate.

Obama still has room to improve among dems as well; he doesn't need to improve among indies if he can perform better among dems.  Rasmussen has him getting fewer than 80% of dems; Obama should be able to secure at least 85% of dems.

by Blazers Edge 2008-08-04 06:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Independents are the ones

I think you have to be deaf to take what he said about off-shore drilling and call it a flip flop.  The fact that the MSM is labeling that way reinforces my opinion that most people on TV are complete idiots who do not deserve to be there.

by shalca 2008-08-04 09:00AM | 0 recs
Thing is, McCain hasn't closed the deal either

he isn't really offering a theme. I think it will work out for Obama, and you know I don't like saying that.

by catfish2 2008-08-04 06:07AM | 0 recs
I know that's hard for you to write! ;)

I agree.  The other guy is an elitist, out-of-touch empty isn't much of a GE strategy.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 06:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Thing is, McCain hasn't closed the deal either

This is the flipside of all this polling.  McCain has a really hard time breaking through about 44-45% without leaners and 47% with leaners in any poll.

There are a lot of people out there who aren't sold yet on Obama but just can't bring themselves to vote for McCain.  

by Fuzzy Dunlop 2008-08-04 06:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Thing is, McCain hasn't closed the deal either

:~)

yep.  It's worth being appropriately paranoid - sometimes people are out to get you (and they are out to get us) - but I'd still rather be supporting the Dems than the GOP any day with the way things are going.

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-08-04 07:08AM | 0 recs
It's a shot across the bows

And a fightback is overdue. But let's not forget the underlying essentials

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by duende 2008-08-04 06:08AM | 0 recs
Re: It's a shot across the bows

I'll point out one thing.  When I checked that a few days ago, Obama was up 4.6%.  Now his lead is down to 2.6%.  So the race is tightening.

But I'm not exactly losing sleep right now.  It's still early.  I just hope everybody realizes that despite the enthusiasm and the money advantage, this is not going to be a cakewalk.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 06:20AM | 0 recs
Re: It's a shot across the bows

I concur completely. Personally, I think McCain is trying to activate the base and get the low shots in now. It hasn't really dented the polls too much - it reminds of the Wright phase of the primary wars.

However, if you read comments on some of the bigger blogs and newspapers, there's definitely a concerted attack on the blogosphere too, and it does have an impact. Voter registration and local organisation is IMHO more important, but we're going through a dip in morale. Your diary is important to wake us up. The TREND is in Obama's favour, but he's an easy candidate to scare some folks with, and without the progressive left keeping his back, he would be vulnerable.

by duende 2008-08-04 06:29AM | 0 recs
Re: It's a shot across the bows

Dude,

What is up?  Got my rec ability back.  My personal guess is this election is going to be much closer than many dems think.  While i am in favor of the 50 state plan the truth is BO needs to win either OH or CO and NM.  He should concentrate on either of those two plans.

As for OH if HRC is the VP than IMHO that would do the trick.  And one last thing. The last FOX poll (ok FOX is full of it but whatever) had BO up by 1% but when it was chnaged to McCain/Rommey versus BO/HRC that lead went form 1% to 10%.  Just my opinion.

best  david

by giusd 2008-08-04 07:24AM | 0 recs
Re: It's a shot across the bows

Totally agree.

Dear John McCain:

Please, please, please pick Mitt Romney as your veep.

Thank you for your consideration.

by TL 2008-08-04 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: It's a shot across the bows

Remember RCP doesnot include the Research 2000 poll of last week.

Obama 51
McCAIN 39

by BDM 2008-08-04 06:40AM | 0 recs
Re: It's a shot across the bows

That chart is from pollster.com, not RCP.  

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

It'll be just fine.

by QTG 2008-08-04 06:11AM | 0 recs
where's the trend

The Rasmussen tracking poll has been close for weeks now, this is not surprising that it's within it's margin of error. The alarm isn't really that resounding, we all knew this would be close. The generic candidate argument is bunk too

by Dog Chains 2008-08-04 06:12AM | 0 recs
Re: where's the trend

" we all knew this would be close. The generic candidate argument is bunk too "

- really ?

I could have sworn all I read about was electoral landslides , reallignment etc.

Maybe you were a more prudent and didn't partake  in that but others were.

by lori 2008-08-04 06:22AM | 0 recs
Re: where's the trend

There is a realignment, but these things are always tendencies. There's no one revolutionary moment. I remember last summer when Obama was well down in the polls, but during that time he and his team were out organising like mad.

There's nothing messianic or inevitable about this, but the strategy worked during the primaries. At this stage, a certain amount of trust is required. It has to be earned, true. But registration and participation at state level is extraordinary, and I am for one pretty convinced by that level of strategy. On the EVs he's still heading for a landslide.

On the bigger propaganda battle, this hopefully will wake the team up a bit. No one said it would be easy to defeat the republican machine. But this the best shot available, and I think it will pay off, bigtime.

by duende 2008-08-04 06:34AM | 0 recs
organizing

From most signs Obama really is investing heavily in field, which is unusual for Democratic presidential campaigns. As far as I can tell he is being very smart and forward-looking in how he is organizing. But speaking as a big advocate for more investment in field in the end it can only make a marginal handful of percentage points difference. Message and media are still very important. Obama's efforts may force McCain to spend money in places that should be safe, and in a tight race Obama's field investment may make the difference.

The record from the primaries argues against Obama's organizing strategy. Despite a huge investment in field and media Obama was unable to change the dynamics in primary states. His organizing made a difference in caucuses, but the general election is not a caucus.

by souvarine 2008-08-04 07:59AM | 0 recs
Re: organizing

We'll have to disagree on this, or risk restarting the flame wars. Obama exceeded expectations in MOST states and not just caucuses. There was a pushback in Appalachia and Latinos, but now a lot of those votes are behind him too. Check out the swing states in Pollster, Poblano, or RCP. Obama's created several NEW ones.

My point is that at this stage during the primary cycle, Obama was out organising by a long shot, and that finally cruised him through to victory. Registration and turnout will give him a 5 point bounce. He leads 2.5 on the RCP average now, BEFORE the Veep choice and Denver.

I'm not complacent, but I'm not deeply concerned. Having been through this as an Obama supporter for over a year, I recognise a pattern.

by duende 2008-08-04 08:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Denver worries me

I hope the media does keep tabs on the deadenders. They should set up a shop out side their convention site, which is the CHEESE CAKE FACTOY!

by venician 2008-08-04 09:10AM | 0 recs
Will they over-cover his stadium speech?

That could backfire too.

by catfish2 2008-08-04 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Will they over-cover his stadium speech?

Yeah, because Americans hate people who are popular.

by venician 2008-08-04 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: where's the trend

There's nothing inconsistent with the two. Tracking polls show a close race, and anything outside of a 3-4 point final margin would be very surprising (for either side).

However, state-by-state electoral polling consistently shows Obama with a giant advantage (303/235 according to FiveThirtyEight, 284/147 with 107 tossup according to Pollster). Furthermore, these electoral maps show a great deal of realignment, with Obama picking up all Kerry states plus Ohio, and a number of formerly red states as tossup or Democratic.

So it's possible for this to be a close race in overall polling and yet not close at all in the Electoral College. There's very little room for McCain to win in the Electoral College -- he has to defend every single tossup state and pick off at least one Kerry state or Ohio, or he's toast. That's an extremely tall order.

Yes, Ras is showing a slight McCain lead. Negative campaigning will do that in the short term. In the longer term, he's trashed his image, started to actively alienate the press and some of his big-money donors, and only gained a couple short-term points for it. This is a pretty good ad campaign -- for late October. For late July it's a disaster.

Yes, Kerry was swiftboated by this time. The difference is that the swiftboating was done by 527's and Bush could pretend to be above it all, whereas this is McCain's campaign itself. The negatives from going negative didn't accrue to the Bush campaign the way the way these are hitting McCain.

Until we see significant movement in the state-by-state polling, this election is not "close" in the terms that actually matter. That doesn't mean there's any room for complacency, but it also means that there's no reason to get too excited about a one-point McCain blip in a tracking poll.

HRC is still a far tougher opponent than McCain will ever be, even counting the likely upcoming 527 slime ads.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-08-04 06:45AM | 0 recs
Re: where's the trend

I am just disputing the point the poster was making ,

" we all knew it would be close "

That wasn't the case 2 - 3 weeks ago when polls were coming out showing a bigger lead for Obama in national and state by state polling .

While I don't give any credence to tracking polls for now , it is also important to point out Mccain is closing the gap in a lot of these battleground states state by state.

That said the handwringing isn't justified in my opinion.

Also I believe like I have said for over a year , at the end of the day there would not be an electoral landslide and very little realligment state by state.

by lori 2008-08-04 06:54AM | 0 recs
Re: where's the trend

Well, those 2 things are not mutually exclusive, Obama could win the election by 2% and still have an electoral landslide. But whatever, if life teaches us anything, it's that polling means nothing, especially this far out, and that you don't like Obama, so anything you say is tilted by that.

by Dog Chains 2008-08-04 07:25AM | 0 recs
Re: where's the trend

This has very little to do with Obama.

You made a claim that isn't borne out by reality and I disputed it .

Thats all.

" We all knew it would be close " is just not an accurate statement.

Your opinions on other issues is irrelevant.

by lori 2008-08-04 07:36AM | 0 recs
Re: where's the trend

Funny thing about this is, you and I are saying the same thing, anyone who thought that this wasn't going to be close is not thinking logically, we just arrive at it different ways and from different perspectives.

by Dog Chains 2008-08-04 08:04AM | 0 recs
Obama has three aces

McCain needs to pull an inside straight on the river to beat him.

by activatedbybush 2008-08-04 07:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

So what?

We all knew this was coming.  Now we are going to see the response.  It's no surprise that once the smear machine got ratcheted up, that he would take a short term hit.

But we've all got to help pull this one together or it's right-wing dominance of the courts and America in the gutter for another 4 years.

Once Obama hits backs and once the Clintons get back in the field, we'll battle ahead.  Remember, Ras has always had this close.  Seeing a slight McCain blip - or even a trend for a week or two - is cause for concern but we'll pull it out.

by mousethief 2008-08-04 06:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

Hillary would beat McCain in a cake walk. The Super Delegates know this...yet they are going to nominate a guy who is going to have a hard time winning.  There's still time to win Democrats..come to your senses and give it to Hillary at the convention.  She'll make Obama her VP, which is more than Obama will ever do for her.

by karajan72 2008-08-04 06:32AM | 0 recs
Bah

Why don't you just make stuff up? The polling was MORE difficult for Hillary last time she and McCain were head to head. Switching nominee now would be disastrous for dems.

Perhaps you know that...

by duende 2008-08-04 06:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Bah

That is not correct.  Hillary consistently polled better against McCain than Obama throughout the entire primary season.  And Rasmussen did a poll a couple weeks ago showing Hillary beating McCain by 9 points and hitting 50%.  Obama only beat him by 2 and now Obama is 1 point behind in Rasmussen.  The Clintons know how to beat McCain and have had a strategy to do that for years.  They know how to win.  Obama doesn't have a clue.

by karajan72 2008-08-04 06:40AM | 0 recs
Because. She. Has. Not. Been. Attacked.

by conspiracy 2008-08-04 06:47AM | 0 recs
Why the primary wars?

We're done with this now.

None of the Clinton/McCain polling means anything after, say, February, because Republicans stopped going negative on her around then.  McCain and the right have been going after Obama hard all this time; it's not surprising that his numbers are lower than Clinton's.

by Dracomicron 2008-08-04 06:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Bah

That's simply incorrect. HRC virtually never polled better than Obama vs. McCain except at two points: during the height of Wright-gate and at the end of the campaign, once Obama stopped campaigning against her and started running only against McCain.

So during Obama's worst period of the primaries, and during a period of time when no one was campaigning against her, HRC polled a bit better than Obama. Aside from that, she consistently polled considerably worse than Obama. It's a bit meaningless to say that HRC also polls better than Obama vs. McCain in July, when again, no one's been running against her for months. Flip the primary results around, with HRC the presumptive nominee, and I bet Obama would be up by 15 over McCain in July. It's pretty meaningless to compare polling when there's no actual race involved.

There's a reason why the McCain camp strongly preferred to run again HRC. They know how to beat her; they have no clue how to beat Obama.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-08-04 06:50AM | 0 recs
Great points

Been awhile since I saw your posts, TGW.  I pretty much came to the same conclusions.  

I think that this last week's disjointed attacks have been McCain trying desperately to find an accurate line of attack on Obama before the conventions basically reset the field.  I have a feeling that Obama's convention bump is going to be... more substantial than McCain's.

by Dracomicron 2008-08-04 07:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Great points

Thanks -- and yes, I've been trying to get back to some balance after the craziness of the primaries, which means posting less (still reading almost as much, though). But I'm still around.

I agree -- they just don't know what else to do, it's pretty clear, and they're hitting with what they have. They don't have much in the way of winning arguments on policy, so it's going to be all about personality.

I don't see much of a convention bump at all for McCain. The Republican convention is just not looking good right now; the Democratic convention is likely to be very high-energy, even without the move to Invesco Field. And unless something goes wrong, at this point you have to figure that the debates strongly favor Obama; McCain really is good at Town Halls, and Obama has his bad moments in debates -- but McCain is no HRC either, and at this point he doesn't have much of an answer on policy.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-08-04 09:07AM | 0 recs
Oh yeah.

...but McCain is no HRC either...

You can say that again.  Obama doesn't have to use kid gloves against McCain in the upcoming debates, and McCain is a jucier target anyway.

by Dracomicron 2008-08-04 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Bah

Where did you get your figures?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/us/general_election_mccai n_vs_clinton-224.html

They show Hillary consistently behind.

And you fail to address the main point.

by duende 2008-08-04 06:50AM | 0 recs
Argghhh

Why oh why can we not have a civil discussion without people resorting to this BS! YOU ARE DELUDED.

by conspiracy 2008-08-04 06:42AM | 0 recs
I love it.

The ol' bait and switch.  No way that could backfire, no sir.

Good thing Clinton didn't shut down all of her field offices.  Wait, what?  

by Dracomicron 2008-08-04 06:44AM | 0 recs
Your numbers don't make sense

Where is the link?

How is this possible?:

A) "A week ago today, Obama had a three-percentage point lead and the candidates were even among unaffiliated voters."

B) "Today, McCain leads 52% to 37% among unaffiliateds."

C) Obama is only losing in this poll by 1%.

If McCain were ahead by 15% among independents his lead in this poll would be HUGE, not one percent.  What kind of bunk are you trying to sell us?  

by Blue Neponset 2008-08-04 06:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Your numbers don't make sense

whenever someone talks about McCain winning Independents I don't get to worried about it, because I remember the trend with Party ID.

those indies who like democrats have started IDing as democrats, thus Democrat ID is up, Republicans don't wanna ID as Republicans so they say they are indpendents, hence why GOP ID is down,

but that means that more and more the independent category will lean GOP as more and more Indies start IDing as Democrats

by TruthMatters 2008-08-04 06:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Your numbers don't make sense

I understand your point and I agree with it, but still...a 15 point swing among any group in one week?  That just seems ridiculous. Nothing really happened this week.  

I found the LINK Maybe the diarist will be kind enough to add the link to his diary.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-08-04 06:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Your numbers don't make sense

shrugs I have decided to let the world have their fun, we all know that turnout will be different this year, but no one really knows how, so they are all guessing on the methodology or using those from 2000  and 2004 which wont account for the new AA and youth votes

Obama won't stop working and I will wait till november I don't care what people say I think people will vote on issues in the end.

and more voters trust Obama to fix the economy then McCain

by TruthMatters 2008-08-04 06:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Your numbers don't make sense

I'm with you. Once Obama starts talking about healthcare, the housing crisis and social security the voters will dump McCain faster than Angry John dumped his first wife.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-08-04 07:06AM | 0 recs
Maybe the better question should be...

...what bunk is Rasmussen trying to sell us? I think it is probably because Obama is doing better with Democrats but Ras reckons there are now fewer Dems so who knows. But the tightening looks clear to me. At least in the tracking polls. Lets see what Gallup says later in the day and the snapshot polls we should get later in the week.

by conspiracy 2008-08-04 06:45AM | 0 recs
by engels 2008-08-04 07:16AM | 0 recs
Purity troll alert!

DFTT

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 11:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

People will "diss" this poll because it's from Rasmussen but it seems in line with the Gallup Daily Tracking.

by handsomegent 2008-08-04 06:42AM | 0 recs
Gallup: McCain 44, Obama 45

Gallup has Obama ahead by one.  A trend upwards I might add.  LINK

Since these tracking polls three months before the election are wicked important it seems like your boy McCain is going to lose the whole think now.  Ha Ha!!

by Blue Neponset 2008-08-04 06:55AM | 0 recs
by psychodrew 2008-08-04 11:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Gallup: McCain 44, Obama 45

Aw come on BN....remember what I said about holstering your weapons?

Pyschodrew is NOT a PUMA...is NOT a McTroll...is NOT promoting/voting for McCain.

While you (and others, to be sure) like to accuse some C4O's of continuing the Primary battle...you fail to notice that you actively do so yourself.

Save your ammo for the real foes.
They are actually pretty easy to spot if you pay attention.

by Kysen 2008-08-04 11:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Gallup: McCain 44, Obama 45

Baby steps.  

The points I made about this diary were legitimate and I haven't tried to discuss the alleged troll-like qualities of the diarist at all.  I think that is an improvement.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-08-04 11:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Gallup: McCain 44, Obama 45

Well, I for one think that a good faith effort from both sides (in this case, I am speaking of Overzealous Obama supporters and C4Os) would yield a more focused MYDD. The two groups really do have far more in common than not. First and foremost....both groups are actively working to see the Democrats (including Obama) win big in November. Secondly, both have legitimate 'gripes' with one another...but, quite frankly, the vast majority of said gripes are quite petty when one looks at the big picture.

(Please note that I am NOT speaking of PUMAz and/or other outright Trolls...show no mercy for them)

(Baby steps are good...but, November is too close to dawdle)

;)

by Kysen 2008-08-04 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

Obama's ground game and organization is much superior to McCAINS. iT IS WORTH 2 TO 2-1/2 PTS.

If the election were held today, Obama WOULD WIN BY 5 TO 6 pts.

by BDM 2008-08-04 06:44AM | 0 recs
Good point.

His organization is definitely superior.  If you combine that with dampened GOP enthusiasm, his advantage is even better.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 11:16AM | 0 recs
McCain = Bush: That's the winner

Bush is McCain's biggest liability.

Obama should release a new ad every day for about a week showing Bush and McCain together.

by elrod 2008-08-04 06:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

I have so much trouble with polls, it is hard to put much stock in them. That said, I think the factor that needs to be put in the mix is his race. the polling will not show very accurtately if/how  this is affecting polls. I think obama will win handily, but this election is too important for any one to get compacent.

by linfar 2008-08-04 07:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

Hillary would be winning big.

by notBobDole 2008-08-04 07:06AM | 0 recs
...in Arkansas

by conspiracy 2008-08-04 08:18AM | 0 recs
She'd be up by 375%

Since she shits polished gold, she'd have captured the hard-working white Americans of Appalachia with promises of free gold nuggets for all.

by JJE 2008-08-04 08:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46
basically it is showing that dems have a disaster on their hand:
obama with all his money and speeches cannot get a winning gap against old guy running very bad campaign
by engels 2008-08-04 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

You are so lovable.  I just want to pinch your little cheeks.  "Old guy running very bad campaign" ought to be a McCain bumper sticker.  Just like that.  No grammatical corrections.  No punctuation.  Engels style.  Would you put that on your car, Engels?

I love your sig too, since Obama is up double digits with the white working class and women and up 2-to-1 with Latinos.  McCain just might hold on to seniors and whatever the f$%@k "holding-on sweeties" are.  Are you a "holding-on sweety," Engels?  Are you?

by SpideyDem 2008-08-04 07:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46
obviously you have very low IQ but it is not my fault.
and i cannot return the favor: you are not lovable at all
by engels 2008-08-04 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

I love you when you're angry Engels.

by SpideyDem 2008-08-04 07:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

MOJO for being sooooooooooooo
sexxxxxxxxxyyyyy engels  

xoxoxoxoxoxoxooxxxxooxoxxoxoxo

by wellinformed 2008-08-04 12:04PM | 0 recs
Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry!

that is all.

by Scan 2008-08-04 07:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry!

For VP or as a replacement candidate?

by SpideyDem 2008-08-04 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry!

VP.

Barack Obama is the nominee.

by Scan 2008-08-04 07:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry!

Engels disagrees with you.

by SpideyDem 2008-08-04 07:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry!

oh well.

by Scan 2008-08-04 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry!

agreed: as a replacement for the loser...

by engels 2008-08-04 07:35AM | 0 recs
Shorter

The sky is falling!  The sky is falling!

by TL 2008-08-04 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry!

Also, you might want to revisit your signature line.  

Looks like Obama's winning Latinos by huge margins, on the order of 2:1, and today's WaPo brings the unsurprising conclusion that he's up 10 among the white working class.  

Reality has a pro-Obama bias.

by TL 2008-08-04 07:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry!

Democratic Sen. Barack Obama holds a 2 to 1 edge over Republican Sen. John McCain among the nation's low-wage workers

Obama's advantage is attributable largely to overwhelming support from two traditional Democratic constituencies: African Americans and Hispanics. But even among white workers -- a group of voters that has been targeted by both parties as a key to victory in November -- Obama leads McCain by 10 percentage points, 47 percent to 37 percent, and has the advantage as the more empathetic candidate.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/08/03/AR2008080301969. html?hpid=topnews

by politicsmatters 2008-08-04 02:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

This poll could be accurate.  I would not be surprised, but I think it'll backfire on McCain.  It may temporarily hurt Obama in the polling, but eventually it's going to wear on his own "Maverick" brand, it's beginning to show already.  Also, I expect a huge McCain gaffe or more long pauses in the near future and at some point people are going to notice.

by venavena 2008-08-04 07:32AM | 0 recs
negative attacks don't "backfire"

the idea of negative attacks backfiring is a myth and wishful thinking. And its not gonna "wear" on his "maverick" brand. Negative campaigning worked for LBJ without backfiring, Nixon without backfiring, and Bush Sr. in 1988 and W both times are perfect examples of not backfiring. Obama needs to hit back.

by Lakrosse 2008-08-04 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: negative attacks don't "backfire"

Have you seen the energy ad today?  If so, what do you think?  I think it hits McCain right where it hurts.

by SpideyDem 2008-08-04 07:49AM | 0 recs
Re: negative attacks don't "backfire"

In 2004, The daily Show ran an extended clip of Bush completely contradicting his new policy in the 2000 election. Had Kerry ran with that strategy, he would have won.

by vcalzone 2008-08-04 08:45AM | 0 recs
Re: negative attacks don't "backfire"

Obama needs to do this. It is NOT GOING DIRTY to point out how deeply McCain has violated his principles.

by vcalzone 2008-08-04 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

The only fighter worth taking on is Ms. Clinton.  Admittedly, living with her for eight years could be a trial, but the race may be lost without her.

by Bob H 2008-08-04 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

1 pt on 1 poll and we are ready to go to  def con 1?

by wellinformed 2008-08-04 12:08PM | 0 recs
Just a thought

This might have been affected by the fact that Ras found less Dems in July so he has adjusted his August sample accordingly. If we were still in July the same numbers may have still resulted in an Obama lead. Of course that doesn't change the fact there were less Dems in July but I think it is worth noting just the same.

by conspiracy 2008-08-04 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

Gallup is Obama +3. I give up!

by conspiracy 2008-08-04 09:04AM | 0 recs
Gallup today: Obama up 3

So, Gallup shows a reverse trend from Rasmussen. Two days ago, it was 44-44. Today it's 46-43 for Obama. McCain lost one point and Obama picked up two.

Folks, this is all statistical noise. Obama still has a small lead.

by elrod 2008-08-04 09:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Gallup today: Obama up 3

So psychodrew why don't you update your diary to reflect the Gallup numbers????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????

We'll be waiting.

by venician 2008-08-04 09:15AM | 0 recs
because the deadenders need barack to lose...

sure, hillary would have lost anyway, probably by a landslide given her complete and utter incompetence at running a presidential campaign, but they sure the hell don't want barack winning!

mike murphy predicted that hillary votes for mccain in november.  i don't think that is much of a gamble...  

by bored now 2008-08-04 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Gallup today: Obama up 3

If you don't like it, write your own diary.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 11:30AM | 0 recs
imagine how bad it would be with hillary on the...

ticket!  with democrats relying on the most polarizing politician in america today, we'd probably be in the low 30s!  and hillary's historically high negatives (for a non-incumbent) -- maybe you might adjust that to be the 20s!

can you just imagine who hillary would fare with their 16 years of video of her "taking every position under the sun?"  while republicans may accuse barack of taking various positions, they had video up and ready showing hillary doing it.

thank god that democrats finally nominated a stronger presidential nominee, one that does not feed the frames of the republican attack machine.  barack was our only hope.  hillary only promised defeat -- again.  which, granted, is exactly what many democrats wanted...

by bored now 2008-08-04 09:47AM | 0 recs
CDS!

You really need to see a doctor about your CDS...

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 02:27PM | 0 recs
The driling issue

it is sinking democrats, and it no longer matter if the netroots thinks it is dumb, it is helping Mccain and sinking Obama good job Nancy, ,good job.

by Brandon 2008-08-04 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

Way to ignore the Gallup tracking poll when has Obama improving 46-43...

And if Clinton warned abut poll numbers dropping when the GOP hit machine started, what did she think would happen to her 60% disapproval rating?

Yeah, I know... she'd fight... but, so what? You can only fight so much...  

Although, I would have loved to see her rip McCain a new one instead of Obama being totally asleep at the wheel here...

by LordMike 2008-08-04 10:56AM | 0 recs
Gallup: McCain 43, Obama 46

The diarist really should update this diary to include the Gallup poll results.  They directly refutes his points.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-08-04 11:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Gallup: McCain 43, Obama 46

Rather than shout him down about it, why not ask nicely...or provide the links yourself in a helpful manner rather than a 'bash one over the head with it' manner.

Trust me, unlike the Christian God....there are many paths that lead to supporting Obama as our Democratic Candidate, not just one.

(and, no, I AM NOT comparing Obama to God...hopefully no one will be stupid enough to infer that)

by Kysen 2008-08-04 11:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Gallup: McCain 43, Obama 46

Read the whole thread my friend.  I did ask more or less nicely and I did provide the link.

I am not going to disarm unilaterally though.  If a certain person wants to keep writing chicken little diaries then I am going to comment on them.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-08-04 11:52AM | 0 recs
You? Ask nicely?

Ha!  That's a good one.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 02:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46

The Gallup poll came out hours after Rasmussen.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 11:27AM | 0 recs
UPDATED

When are you going to update the diary to show the Gallup tracking poll results?  Obama is up by three points in that poll.

by Blue Neponset 2008-08-04 11:15AM | 0 recs
Shoo, troll!

DFTT

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 11:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: McCain 47, Obama 46 UPDATED

Breaking News...
United States abandons popular vote!
Next President to be determined by Electoral College!

With this dramatic change...
It is the electoral map that counts..

http://www.pollster.com/

by nogo postal 2008-08-04 11:17AM | 0 recs
Oh hey look

I guess this is the reason I was compelled to write my diary! Man psychodrew what would I do if you weren't the only one here that ever posted a poll diary. Its not like someone else also wrote one on the same exact poll!

by upstate girl 2008-08-04 11:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh hey look

And it's a great diary, that actually includes SEVERAL polls. Thank you for showing us what a well researched diary looks like. Are diaries like this one, written only to boost the writers ego?

"There are now THREE response diaries on the rec list! I'm flattered, guys. Truly."

by venician 2008-08-04 12:43PM | 0 recs
Venician, you're so cute....

You do flatter me.  Really.  I'm touched.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 02:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Venician, you're so cute....

My pleasure. Anytime you're feeling inadequate again,just give a holler.

by venician 2008-08-04 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Venician, you're so cute....

Trolls like you find me no matter how I'm feeling.  But thank you for caring.  You can crawl back under your rock now.

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Venician, you're so cute....

One doesn't need to follow you, you're easy to spot. You're the one embarassing himself all over these boards. Where ever theirs a Clintroll diary that's where you'll be. When ever one spots a "sky is falling" diary, that's where you'll be. When ever McTrolls post inflamatory  diaries, that's where you'll be, rec.ing them.

by venician 2008-08-04 07:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh hey look

I'm glad I could inspire you!

Perhaps you could follow my lead and brush up on your spelling?

by psychodrew 2008-08-04 02:23PM | 0 recs
1001 Rationalisations for Obama slippage

 Obamanauts have a 1001 reasons why Obama is slipping in all the polls. Don't worry about the polls they say it's all about the electoral college. And if that doesn't work they post a juvenile cartoon and accuse you of being a troll. These numbers stink. They stink folks there's no other way to describe it in the context of the electoral landscape and McCain as a candidate. I'm getting fed up of the rationalisations, they'll still be rationalising after Obama has lost the race. They never deign to tell you why he's slipping so I'm going to tell you one of the reasons. It's called Clinton. In fact with every day that passes I'd say it's more likely he's going to have to pick her to pull this situ around. I've always thought this was inevitable.  

by ottovbvs 2008-08-04 12:47PM | 0 recs
I'm getting fed up with the naysayers who post...

...rubbish like "Obamanauts have a 1001 reasons why Obama is slipping in all the polls." All the polls? No. Rasmussen because he has changed his sample that is it. What else? The Q state polls? All within the margin of error of their previous numbers in those states. You are seeing what you want to see because as you admit:

"They never deign to tell you why he's slipping so I'm going to tell you one of the reasons. It's called Clinton. In fact with every day that passes I'd say it's more likely he's going to have to pick her to pull this situ around. I've always thought this was inevitable."  

by conspiracy 2008-08-04 01:05PM | 0 recs
We have rationalizations...

...for things that you're making up out of whole cloth. Who's lost touch with reality again? Hmm, let's check your numbers - oh wait, you don't have any, only juvenile insults.

by upstate girl 2008-08-04 01:26PM | 0 recs
Repubs won 9 of the last 12 contests

Let's face it, changing from Right to Left in the U.S.A. means changing from the far-right to the right-of-center.

by catfish2 2008-08-04 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: 1001 Rationalisations for Obama slippage

What will be your own rationalization after Obama wins over McCain?

Or will it be, as I'm betting, that you'll simply disappear and never show your face in MyDD again?

by Aris Katsaris2 2008-08-04 04:03PM | 0 recs

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