Obama's New Direct Answer to "Black Enough"

(Now cross-posted on DailyKos)

Obama's appearance on Friday at the National Association of Black Journalists sparked one of the most interesting question and answer sessions in a long time, with Obama addressing tensions between the black and hispanic communities, arguing for a broader engagement with Africa, and answering questions about his chances as an African-American candidate.  Obama gave his most detailed and thoughtful treatment of the problem of race in America in a long time.  

I posted my own unedited transcription of the most interesting sections of the Q and A session on My.BarackObama.com here, and you can also listen to a full audio recording of the event here.  

Calling for a broader engagement with Africa:

On Darfur, he cited instituting a no-fly zone as the bare minimum we can do, along with supporting the UN peacekeeping troops who will be there on the ground, "in preventing increased bloodshed as we try to initiate broader peace-talks between the rebel groups and the government in Khartoum." But he pivoted to knock the ball out of the park by making a much broader point about America's role in Africa:

Last point I would make, we've got problems like this all throughout Sub-Saharan Africa.  And we can't wait until the genocide's taking place before we engage Africa. We've got to have an Africa policy that is active, that is involved, that is engaged, that is dealing with the health care infrastructure, that is dealing with the educational infrastructure, that is expanding trade opportunities for African nations and that is holding African nations accountable for rule of law, anti-corruption measures and so forth.  Because if we're not a partner with Africa and we just wait until all heck breaks loose, then we're never going to have enough troops.

And keep in mind, as tragic as what happened in Darfur is, we've had millions of people die in the Congo in the last six years.  And if you asked the average American, they wouldn't know a thing about it.  And that is a consequence of us not being consistently engaged and we've got to understand it's not just a charity or a humanitarian issue, it is also a security issue, because if you've got chaos and anarchy in Africa, terrorists will find a way to exploit that chaos and anarchy, that's where they're going to be based, that's where they're going to recruit and we're going to have increased problems in years to come.


Obama further explored what he imagines he could accomplish for American politics that no other candidate in the field can.  I'll address this answer for my first front-page post on MyDD as a candidate blogger on Wednesday, but for the moment I'd like to turn to two questions asked towards the end of the forum: about Obama's chances as an African-American candidate and for the potential to change the racial dynamic in the United States if he became president.

First, a question was asked about what kind of national conversation about race Obama would like to start as president and what impact his election might have on race in America.  Obama responded by saying first of all that his election would change the way America looks at itself, focusing on the imagery of his own children playing on the lawn of the White House:

As President, obviously the day I'm inaugurated, the racial dynamics in this country will change to some degree.  You've got Michelle as first lady and Malia and Sasha running around on the South Lawn.  

That changes how America looks at itself.  It changes how white children think about black children, and it changes how black children think about black children.


But then he went on to describe the kind of conversation he would like to see about race in America: a meaningful conversation about the ways we can reduce the effects of racial profiling and address the needs of under-served minority communities, as well as fight inequality in the criminal justice system and the job market.
And I think that there is then an opportunity to have a broader conversation.  But I'm more interested in us talking about action instead of us talking about talk.  I'm sympathetic to efforts to have a racial conversation in this country, but I find that generally there's a lot of breast-beating and hand-wringing and then not much follow-through.

And so the kind of conversation that I'm interested in having about race is very concrete.  Do we have a criminal justice system that is color-blind.  If we do not, how do we fix it?  And that is a conversation that as president I would like to initiate.  

If we know that  the rates of drug use are comparable between African-Americans and whites, and yet the arrest record, the conviction, the prison terms --- all that is skewed in one direction --- that's something we should do something about.  That violates the essential tenants of what this country was founded on.

I want to have a very specific conversation about the achievement gap, because I know every child can learn, but if we're not investing in early childhood education, if we go to areas of South Carolina that they call the "Corridor of Shame," because school buildings were built right after the civil war and our children are still trying to learning these buildings, that's a concrete conversation we should have.


Finally, Obama was asked a very personal question about where he derives his belief that America is ready for a black president.  As a CNN correspondent describes it, a hush fell over the room:
The room fell eerily silent. The barrage of camera shutters tapered off quickly. The cavernous ballroom was standing room only, a stark contrast to Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-New York, who spoke to a half-filled room.

Previously, as the CNN correspondent pointed out, Obama has answered this question with a joke about trying to catch a cab:
But that was hardly his answer Friday afternoon.

Instead - for the first time in more detail that I've ever seen - Obama took the opportunity to get at what he considers the heart of the matter, actually demanding that black journalists themselves are to blame for missing the point. Skin color, his record in public service, the issues - none of this suggests he's not `black enough' and yet questions over his blackness persist, he put to the crowd of black journalists.

It's "puzzling," he said. Why is this?

But the question was rhetorical. Professor Obama then stepped onto the stage, answering his own question, and suggesting that perhaps the real issue is a basic mistrust in black America of a black candidate.

"What it really does is really lay bare, I think, that we're still locked in this notion that if you appeal to white folks then there must be something wrong," he said, adding it's the same sort of suspicion many blacks face when they attend a predominately white Ivy League institution.

And that's when he issued this provocative challenge: Instead of asking Obama if he's black enough, black journalists should dig deeper, and ask why there exists this mistrust in black America of a black man like Obama running for office?

Bottom line: Obama nailed it. The question of his blackness has always been a ridiculous one. And maybe now he won't have to answer it again.


Here is my own transcript of Obama's answer to the question:
I interact with people in very unlikely places --- small farm towns in Iowa or old mill towns in New Hampshire --- and my strong impression is that people will vote for me if they believe that I can help them live out their dreams and achieve their hopes.  If I lose this election, I don't believe it'll be because of race.  It'll be because the country makes a determination that either Barack's not projecting the kind of vision we want for the country or we don't think he can deliver on the promises he's making.

Does that mean that there are going to be people who don't vote for me because I'm African-American? Absolutely.  But I think that is a relatively small percentage of the country, and I think that most of them probably wouldn't vote for me because of my political philosophy anyway.  So those aren't votes that I think John Edwards would get, and those aren't votes that Hillary Clinton would get.

But look, this is part of the risk that I'm taking.  But it pales in comparison to the risk that folks on the Edmund Petus bridge were taking, it pales in comparison to the risks that abolitionists were taking, their achievements were far more unlikely.  And yet they said to themselves that if we act, if we are willing to take risks, then change may come about.

And I'm always humbled by their sacrifice.  The worse that happens to me is folks call me some names in the newspapers and I lose, and that's a relatively modest risk.

The one thing that I think has been interesting in the dynamic of the campaign so far is it has said so far more about attitudes within the African-American community than in the larger community. And so, since this is the NABJ, I do want to address that directly.  I made a joke at the beginning about this whole question of:  Is he black enough?  This is a puzzling question.  And the fact that it's been perpetrated through our press I think is interesting.  We should ask ourselves why that is.

It's not because of my physical appearance, presumably.  It's not because of my track record.  Because there's nobody in this race who has a stronger track record on the issues that directly pertain to the African-American community.

If there's somebody else out there who has actually passed racial profiling legislation, or actually taken political hits because he voted against crime legislation that created unequal treatment among black and white youth, if there's somebody else out there who has reformed the death penalty or organized in public housing projects, or devoted their entire lives to civil rights, then I could understand why people would ask the question.

So it's not my track record, it's not that I can't give a pretty good speech, from what I heard, I can preach once in a while.

So what it really does lay bare is... I think .... in part, we're still locked in this notion that somehow if you appeal to white folks, then there must be something wrong. And we're still kind of working that through.  There is some of that is he keeping it real because he went to Harvard issue, which a lot of you in the audience had to deal with and you'd think that we'd be over that by now.  

And part of it has to do with fear --- which is you know what, we don't want to get too excited about the prospects here because we feel like we'll be let down in the end.  My attitude is:  Let's try.  Let's see.   Why defeat ourselves ahead of time?  Why say we can't do something?  Let's take a chance and see if we can.

Now, if there are people here who end up deciding Barack Obama is not the right candidate because he's inexperienced, or I don't like his health care plan, or what have you --- those are perfectly legitimate, because I expect to earn the African-American community's support like I have to earn everybody's support.  And I respect that.  But it certainly shouldn't be because we're confused about our racial identities.  I think that time has passed.  It's time to move forward.

The Associated Press also wrote up an article on Obama's remarks, missing completely however the significance of his comments on race and focusing on his defense of his foreign policy.

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Comments

30 Comments

I thought his answer was amazing.

by psericks 2007-08-11 09:29AM | 0 recs
Re: I thought his answer was amazing.

Great answer , but still yawn...........

by lori 2007-08-11 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: I thought his answer was amazing.

But then you only canvass "Obama Diaries" to start a flame war.  Obviously, you did not get it, and you never will.  Great job, psericks.

by iamready 2007-08-11 10:44AM | 0 recs
Re: I thought his answer was amazing.

what did i do

by lori 2007-08-11 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: I thought his answer was amazing.

nothing of any value

by alipi 2007-08-12 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: I thought his answer was amazing.

I absolutely agree. It is precisely because he is constantly encouraging people to THINK that he appeals to me. I have not seen another candidate who is willing to give such answers, ever. Other candidates, past and present, are stuck in the idea that politics is about soundbites..

by alipi 2007-08-12 09:41AM | 0 recs
Obama did well

It was a good answer.

by dpANDREWS 2007-08-11 09:36AM | 0 recs
Good diary.

I am proud of Obama's superb efforts as of late.  I look forward to your upcoming front page post and keep up the great work.

Obama '08.

by lovingj 2007-08-11 09:54AM | 0 recs
This is such a

fine diary.  Would you consider cross-posting it on dailykos?  This is what we need to know about Obama.  This kind of thinking.  

by noquacks 2007-08-11 09:58AM | 0 recs
Yes, cross post it...

by iamready 2007-08-11 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's New Direct Answer

This is a great diary. I particularly found the Africa comments interesting. Obama has really fleshed out the way he looks at the rest of the world in a way that no other candidate has. At some point, I hope we have a week where we address the candidates' foreign policy on the front page

by Max Fletcher 2007-08-11 10:07AM | 0 recs
Please, please

crosspost at Kos,  Your analyses and expertise deserves a wider audience,  If you are unwilling, please designate a surrogate to broaden the message.

by pamelabrown 2007-08-11 10:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's

Lets put some Black folks in the White House

by CardBoard 2007-08-11 11:39AM | 0 recs
Obama Answered That Beautifully

I'm glad he did.

by BlueDiamond 2007-08-11 11:46AM | 0 recs
Cross-posted at DailyKos
I've always been a little intimidated by the sheer size of DailyKos.  I guess I'll try cross-posting and seeing what happens.  You can head over and show it some love if you like:
Here it is.
by psericks 2007-08-11 11:51AM | 0 recs
Obama brought me full circle with this

Two months ago, I discounted race as an impediment to Obama, with the very argument he makes here: people who aren't going to vote for Obama bacause he's black wouldn't vote for him anyway because of his politics.

Then I saw poll numbers that African-Americans were far more pessimistic about the victory of a black candidate than the population in general. African-Americans have, in my view, a lot better fix on how pervasive racism is and what its effects are than I do, so I believed the polls and discounted Obama because of them.

But this appearance and this blog post has brought me around; maybe the black community doesn't have it right. I know in the gay community we're often behind our straight friends in making our own case the most forceful way we can.

I'm a Hillary-hating Edwards-leaning liberal who votes Democratic because they might actually win, but I'm not totally happy with any candidate.

When Obama echoes my (and many others') sentiments with: "because he's inexperienced, or I don't like his health care plan, or what have you," he goes a long way to getting my support, because unlike most politicians (not to mention the decider) he might actually reconsider or change a position.

The folks at Kos (who haven't already seen it here) need to see this. I hope it can get crossposted.

by PBCliberal 2007-08-11 02:22PM | 0 recs
Obama's New Direct Answer

I have always thought that the "black enough" question was uncalled for. If Obama feels the need to answer it then fine let him go ahead. With me it was never an issue. Still isn't.

by DoIT 2007-08-11 03:54PM | 0 recs
"Black Enough"

I just went over to kos and saw how well this diary did over there.  Thanks for posting.

By the way, considering Sats. and Suns. are slow on kos and alot of people aren't reading in the afternoon, you almost made the rec list and I think you would have had you posted this in the AM tomorrow AM.  At anyrate, a truly thought provoking diary.

by noquacks 2007-08-11 03:55PM | 0 recs
Obama's Dream?

"As President, obviously the day I'm inaugurated, the racial dynamics in this country will change to some degree.  You've got Michelle as first lady and Malia and Sasha running around on the South Lawn." --Obama

I found Obama's quote an interesting, if not an excessively personalized version of Martin Luther King's great universal "I Have A Dream" speech where King hopes one day, to paraphrase, to see black children and white children will live and play together. Can you imagine Martin Luther King saying anything so utterly individualistic? Is the White House occupied by one African-American family the sum total of Martin's dream? Is that it? Is that how The Dream ends? This particular remark reflects the Obama campaign's consummate belief in style over substance. It is a warning about the powerful importance Team Obama give to the "governing image" as a means to an end.

As the sad travails of the African-American community in Newark remind us, a capable black leader is wonderful thing, but the day after when the euphoria fades and you realize he does not have a magic wand what then? Obama is a great symbol of hope for sure, but why not reach for more concrete goals than mere hope and the elysian fields of the White House? Obama can start by respecting his audience more by spelling out concrete and potentially life-enhancing plans for education, healthcare, housing and fighting crime, rather than bribing black audiences with seductive images that we know won't last longer than the next few issues of Time Magazine.

by superetendar 2007-08-11 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dream?

You missed the point of Obama's comment by picking out a single line.  Try reading the next couple sentences.
"As President, obviously the day I'm inaugurated, the racial dynamics in this country will change to some degree."
He immediately goes on to downplay that the impact of that imagery and rhetoric, preferring instead of a national conversation about race focused on concrete issues like the achievement gap and economic hardship:

And I think that there is then an opportunity to have a broader conversation.  But I'm more interested in us talking about action instead of us talking about talk.  I'm sympathetic to efforts to have a racial conversation in this country, but I find that generally there's a lot of breast-beating and hand-wringing and then not much follow-through.

And so the kind of conversation that I'm interested in having about race is very concrete.


And then he goes on to list a series of "concrete and potentially life-enhancing plans for education, heathcare, housing, and fighting crime."  

And how is it individualistic to talk about the imagery of black children playing on the White House lawn?  Obama's right.  There is something powerful about that.

by psericks 2007-08-11 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dream?

An excellent post, and I congratulate Barack on a very sensitive treatment of some very potent issues. I just came from the Bud Biliken parade, (a 70 year old back to school event on the south side of Chicago) where I was doing voter registration. In that setting hope became tangible in the eyes of young African American men in particular and in the community at large. The change Obama was talking about was real and the folks who are paying attention is really surprising and encouraging. I couldn't be partisan in my role, but they freely offered their comments and I'm telling you the African American community will be there for Obama and in no small number.

Again thanks for the diary, I look forward to Tuesday.

by jazzyjay 2007-08-11 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dream?

Agree

by iamready 2007-08-11 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dream?

Okay, point taken. But on close reading, I can't help but point out what I interpret as needles in the otherwise beautifully arranged Monet-like haystack of Obama's words. Its like the controversial breech of Pakistan's border remark. Another needle in a haystack of seemingly begnign words. Somehow you can't just ignore it.

C'mon now psericks, who can object to the imagery of black children playing on the White House lawn?  What gives me some pause is the highly personalized imagery of Obama deploying "Michelle as first lady and Malia and Sasha running around on the South Lawn," as signifying the beginning of the end of racism for all African-Americans, that pitch for the black vote leaves me a little skeptical.  As seductive as Obama's dream White House family postcard of American progress is, I just don't think that Martin Luther King would have seen the White House as the ultimate prize or the final stop on the road to meaningful racial justice for all African-Americans. Obama's White House dream comments are designed to seduce and distract instead of inviting scrutiny of how he is going to implement, healthcare, education etc.

by superetendar 2007-08-11 06:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dream?

I can't agree that Obama is even suggesting what you say that a black first family would be "the ultimate prize or the final stop on the road to meaningful racial justice for all African-Americans."  You're being unfair.

Listen to Hillary Clinton.  It's not all that different with women and Hillary Clinton.  Obviously putting a woman in the White House won't solve problems of gender inequality (in pay or in career advancement) in workplaces, for example, but most women will tell you that it's still a pretty powerful symbol to them --- it means that it's actually true that a young girl growing up in American can become anything they want to be.  

Now, that doesn't address issues of economic inequality or education disparity --- all issues that Obama focuses on in his answer --- but of course it's important.

If anything, the symbol of a black family in the White House is that much more powerful because the White House was literally segregated as few as forty or fifty years ago.  

by psericks 2007-08-12 05:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dream?

You obviously have another agenda here and it is expressed in your comments, so what I am about to say won't change that. In America symbolism has been elevated to the point of substance. We elect presidents, we buy toothpaste, and we choose mates by it, so for you to try to minimize its relevancy shows that this isn't the real issue.

What Mr. Obama was stating to those with the wisdom and experiences to hear is that just the fact that a Black man could be elected president and have his family living in the white house would say as much as all the other "important" milestones that you hint at. It would say that yes we have reached the point that a Black man can have the most powerful job in the free world in a country where blacks were formerly enslaved and routinely oppressed. That would be a very powerful symbol and one worthy of taking notice of...

You should be honest and state what your real points of contention are and express your true agenda, instead of using this weak smokescreen...

by Forgiven 2007-08-12 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dream?

Can you imagine Martin Luther King saying anything so utterly individualistic?

In his famous "Letter from a Birmingham Jail" King wrote of the pain of having to explain to his children that they were not allowed to visit a popular Atlanta amusement park because they were black and the park was for whites only.

So, yes, I can imagine King expressing himself in similar personal terms.

by Sam I Am 2007-08-12 04:34AM | 0 recs
OF COURSE, the AP would completely MISS

the remarks about race...

They haven't written anything worthwhile since they COMPLETELY MISREPRESENTED HIS SPEECH IN HAMPTON, VA.

So, I'm not shocked in the least that his talk about race wasn't written about in the least in any sort of depth.

by rikyrah 2007-08-11 09:10PM | 0 recs
Re: "Black Enough"

Thanks for posting this excellent diary. Otherwise I would have missed this thoughtful speech, even the highly abridged AP story!

Personally, I'm still hoping for an Edwards/Obama ticket, but open to all the other possibilites too.

by Woody 2007-08-12 09:57AM | 0 recs
VP picks

I wonder...  I didn't think an Edwards/Obama ticket (in either order) was very likely, though they have seemed to work fantastically together tagteaming a little bit lately in the debates.

I'm not sure.  I'm really not sure who else they would pick.  

Richardson is doing his best to sink his chances, and I would really prefer Mark Warner to stay in Virginia and run for Senate...

Conventional wisdom is either of them would need to go with someone with foreign policy credentials --- like a Wesley Clark?  But conventional wisdom (foreign policy experience, geographical balance, home state advantage) seems overrated --- VPs don't usually manage to carry their home state for example.

Is there someone else under the radar?  Obama is pretty close to (or at least shares a lot of staff with) Tom Daschle, for example.  I love Dick Durbin, but Obama couldn't really choose Illinois' other senator.  Edwards seems like a fair choice to me.  Anyway, sorry to go off on a tangent...

by psericks 2007-08-12 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: The losers and the VP picks

For most of the 20th century, a Democratic Presidential candidate from the North picked a Veep from the South or the Border States, as a concession to the base. After all, the Solid South supplied half the needed electoral votes, and deserved a something if not the top spot.

FDR started out with Speaker John Nance Garner of Texas, ended up with Sen Harry Truman from Missouri; Truman picked another Border Stater, Sen Alben Barkley of Kentucky; Stevenson picked Sen John Sparkman from Alabama; JFK famously named LBJ exactly to help carry his home state and the region; McGovern selected Sen Eagleton of Missouri (then Shriver of Maryland); Dukakis chose Sen Lloyd Bentsen, perhaps his smartest move of the campaig;, Clinton picked Sen Al Gore; and Kerry chose Sen John Edwards. I skipped over a very few exceptions, but this was the clear rule.

Today, however, it's obvious that the South is no part of the Democratic base, so other factors will come to the forefront.

Giving the base something if the top spot goes to someone else, however, could remain the operational consideration.

If Hillary does NOT get the nomination, it's possible that many of her supporters, especially among women, could be deeply disappointed.

If Obama does NOT get the nomination, it's possible that many of his supporters, especially among Blacks, could be deeply disappointed.

Many women and Blacks are looking forward to seeing "the first" of their group to break into the ultimate White Man's Club of Presidential nominees.

If Edwards, the white male among the leading candidates, gets the nomination, he may need to reach out to the disappointed parts of our base, and therefore offer the Veep spot to either Hillary or Obama. Based on the apparent chemistry, and the bitterness of the divide on the Big Issue of Iraq, I'd expect Edwards to go for Obama.

For Obama, the Veep spot is No Lose. Under Plan B, he still becomes "the first" and he has 4 or 8 years to let the country get used to having a Black man right near the top. Those 4 or 8 years should also cure any perceived "inexperience" problem that he might have now.

At the same time, Edwards would probably love the symbolism of a white man from the South in partnership with a Black man from the North, running together and promising to work together to fight poverty and discrimination and put the ugly racist past behind us all. And Obama, vice versa.

What goes for Edwards probably goes for Gore, too, in case he jumps in at this late date and wins the nomination.

Of course, I think that Hillary would gladly accept the Veep spot herself, and try to become "the first" by winning -- Geraldine Ferraro notwithstanding. But Hillary's famous negatives, and the fear that her nomination would be red meat to the Repub base of haters, could make putting her on the ticket very problematic. Reaching out to another woman for the second slot -- Kathleeen Sibelius, for example -- would look so artificial and calculated that it might also backfire.

I agree with you that Richardson has stumbled badly several times already, and is looking less and less viable for any spot on the ticket, after being almost everyone's choice for Number Two.

Wesley Clark stumbled badly in the first days of his '03-'04 campaign -- Would you have voted for the Iraq war resolution? Uh. Pressie, can you help me with this one? -- but he has been out on the hustings in '04 and again in '06 practicing his campaign skills, as well as being on TV very frequently in a somewhat hostile environment. His stock has probably been rising every time Richardson inserts his foot in his mouth.

Daschle, sorry. Overwhelmed by the Bushies, he looked sort of like a loser before he lost his reelection. Let's move on.

Of course you're right about Sen Durbin. Under the Constitution, the President and the Vice President MUST be from different states. What fucking Constitution is that, one could say, doesn't he have a summer home in Wyoming he can claim or something?

Anyway, sorry to go off on a tangent...

by Woody 2007-08-12 07:47PM | 0 recs

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