WALMART Black Friday Tragedy: Will we ever learn

As Americans have been inundated with one bad financial news item after another, you would think that this Black Friday would at least provoke some reflective thought regarding the greed that has contributed to the crisis we are in now. People buying things that they cannot afford. People who would rather sacrifice a holiday to stay all night in line for a freaking DVD player or some other item they want NOW! Can these savages lay off the materialism at least for one fucking holiday?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/28 /black-friday-stampede-kil_n_146967.html

Update [2008-11-29 11:23:26 by Pravin]: Ok here is another link where they wanted to close the store down temporarily, but the mob did not react well. Also the cops are now getting down to looking at tapes. Why they did not do an immediate investigation is beyond me. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/29/police-seeking-walmart-sh_n_147069.html

Police were reviewing video from surveillance cameras in an attempt to identify who trampled to death a Wal-Mart worker after a crowd of post-Thanksgiving shoppers burst through the doors at a suburban store and knocked him down. Criminal charges were possible, but identifying individual shoppers in Friday's video may prove difficult, said Detective Lt. Michael Fleming, a Nassau County police spokesman. Other workers were trampled as they tried to rescue the man, and customers stepped over him and became irate when officials said the store was closing because of the death, police and witnesses said. Police said about 2,000 people were gathered outside the Wal-Mart doors before its 5 a.m. opening at a mall about 20 miles east of Manhattan. The impatient crowd knocked the employee, identified by police as Jdimytai Damour, to the ground as he opened the doors, leaving a metal portion of the frame crumpled like an accordion. "This crowd was out of control," Fleming said. He described the scene as "utter chaos," and said the store didn't have enough security. Dozens of store employees trying to fight their way out to help Damour were also getting trampled by the crowd, Fleming said. Shoppers stepped over the man on the ground and streamed into the store. Damour, 34, of Queens, was taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead around 6 a.m., police said. Kimberly Cribbs, who witnessed the stampede, said shoppers were acting like "savages.""When they were saying they had to leave, that an employee got killed, people were yelling `I've been on line since yesterday morning,'" she said. "They kept shopping."

Time after time, BOTH parties have done very little to solve the real problem corrupting this country. The lack of accountability for irresponsibility caused by greed by people of all classes and income levels. Greed is not the problem, but the lack of accountability for any of the problems caused by it. We have a government ready to bail out institutions which encourage this kind of behavior without any significant strings attached.

Take this Walmart incident. I am going to assume that there were at least as many Democrats standing in line as Republicans. at the very least. No fatcat CEOs. Yet, they showed callous disregard for human life when they impatiently forced the doors open and trampled some poor immigrant worker to death in their greed.

People shopping at the Walmarts are merely taking their cues from greedy execs who have millions and still want more. In this case, I would go after EVERYONE. Walmart should have known better. They purposely encourage this kind of crazed behavior to hype Black Friday as a sales day among dumbass common folk. Like zombies on a rampage, these morons fall for the corporations mantra and line up to buy goods most do not have a great chance of finding at the bargain rate.

Then you have the case of personal responsibility. Walmart tried to, but did not actually close the store down because customers objected. So we actually rewarded those who killed the guy by letting them buy goods? I did not read one reference to a single arrest. I am not talking about arresting people who were pushed by others and made moves solely for self preservation. There are many easy culprits one can identify from store tapes if the cops bothered to shut down the store and detained everyone. How about the front line of the mob? Arrest those bastards. Even if the charges do not stick, you can make their lives miserable. And identify every person from the tapes who engaged in pushing someone else in front of them. Based on how culpable they were in leading to the guy's death, I would charge them with various degrees. Freaking animals need to be taught a lesson. And what kind of parent lets their kid stand in a mob that is getting impatient by the minute right before the opening?

What were the Walmart people doing not calling the cops earlier on when people were getting out of control even before the opening. The spokesman claims they did, but obviously they didn't do nearly enough. A lady at another nearby Walmart suffered injuries. I hate those frivolous damages lawsuits, but Walmart better pay up a huge amount to the family of the victim for this crap. What they did was highly irresponsible subjecting a temp worker to such a dangerous mob. What kind of people continue to shop after they killed a guy?  

And we wonder why we are in such a financial mess. You got CEOs in war profiteering companies wanting more and more money while they contribute to propaganda asking other Americans to sacrifice for the war effort and in the process, some even overlook things like faulty armor. You got CEOs of auto companies who make millions while workers are suffering.

Two things - Greed and no Accountability. Greed leads to these incidents and the lack of accountability(for both the mob and Walmart) leads to the reoccurrence of these incidents. Update [2008-11-29 11:23:26 by Pravin]:: Edited the diary down a tad to remove some bipartisan rants. Didn't expect this to be on the recommended list. I was initially letting loose some steam because of the nature of this incident. I have already seen a few comments that do a good job dealing with this issue.

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15 Comments

Re: Hit me personally

Yeah, I noticed the demographic makeup. But I watched a video report on NY Post and many of the people expressing disgust at their impatient fellow shoppers were African American too. THe victim's name suggests African. Plus, I think similar incidents have happened in non African AMerican areas too, just without tragic consequences.

If you hear about any news that is not reflected in my diary(which is mainly an "outrage" diary, please keep us updated).

by Pravin 2008-11-29 03:43AM | 0 recs
Push for the sake of Pushing
I don't think we can put the blame on our materialistic culture for this tragedy.  The root cause is the mob mentality that is ingrained in the Human DNA not the American DNA.  Once one person pushes for an advantage, others push too.  Multiply this by 400 and you got a tidal wave of Humans not thinking about materialism but instead pushing for the sake of pushing. Anyone who has taken a train a Japan or China probally knows what I talking about.
Humans are a grizzly lot and this is just another example.
by gil44 2008-11-29 05:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Push for the sake of Pushing

How do you explain that even after the fact, when some people were informed that they wanted to close the store, instead of expressing regret for what happened, they were incensed that they could not shop because they waited in line for so long.

by Pravin 2008-11-29 06:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Push for the sake of Pushing

It's one thing to push and trample a person because there's a fire or earthquake and you're in mob mentality because you're all in panic mode and running for your lives.

It's another thing altogether to go in "mob mentality" because you want to get a television for 200 dollars less.

In the former example you went into mob mentality in fear of your life, in the latter example you went into mob mentality for a few dollars.

The people needn't have even been in such a line that they knew from the start (or could reasonably guess) would involve running and pushing.

It all depends on whether they value the bargain more than they do their souls.

by Aris Katsaris2 2008-11-29 02:36PM | 0 recs
WalMart handled it BADLY

ANY time you do your best to try to gather as large of a crowd as possible - and WalMart did - you have to PLAN for it.

It was a mess at my local WalMart. They opened at midnight without announcing it in advance. (Their ads only announced 5 AM sales.) They gave out vouchers before the 5 AM "official" sale, so a of customers didn't even know about them. They tried telling people to take items OUT of their carts if it was before 5. They redirected the line twice, in the most crowded, cramped part of the store that couldn't physically accommodate all the people and their carts. And in the end, they ignored the line they created by just handing stuff out. I'm in Illinois, and we had at least one arrest and a threat of one. And Security? ONLY at the exit doors.

You have to have security, you have to have a clear and fair process (and a contingency plan), you have to FOLLOW your own damn process, and you have to communicate it to people so they know what to expect and what they're expected to do.

They had a A WHOLE YEAR to plan this, and it's no wonder. This same thing has gone on for years. It happened at a concert in Cincinnati back in the 1980s, and even Southwest Airlines had to come up with a plan after their early years of free-for-all seating plans. Now you either board with group A, group B, or group C.

Seating is like shopping - you want the best you can get.

So I blame WalMart for building up this event and then completely failing to manage it. They also have a plan for shutting down the store if a child goes missing - there's no reason they couldn't have done that (except maybe it'd have cost them a few dollars - oh, woe!) Perhaps if they'd had adequate security, handed out tickets, and then let in a small crowd of a people at a time, this could have been avoided. I'm sure Security was in full force by the registers and exits, though.

by Its All So Goofy 2008-11-29 05:22AM | 0 recs
Re: WalMart handled it BADLY

sounds like you want walmart personally deliver your cheap purchases to your home!

why not just not go?

when you go to these type of things you're just a part of a horrible herd mentality..

stay home.

by obama4presidente 2008-11-29 07:21AM | 0 recs
Re: WALMART Black Friday Trag

i can't believe they didn't lock down the store, look at the CTV tapes and then haul off anyone that trampled the man for charging with involuntary man-slaughter. if people are being locked up for 15+ years for purse-snatching in the US at minimum the photos and names of every single pig that just walked over another human just to catch a discounted iPod needs to be published for shame.

and any talk of black-white, dem-repub is just so much distraction here.

by swissffun 2008-11-29 05:37AM | 0 recs
Re: WALMART Black Friday Trag

I agree and edited my diary to remove a couple of my rants on parties.

by Pravin 2008-11-29 06:30AM | 0 recs
Wal-Mart comedy

It's yet another thing about America that I don't understand -- at least soccer hooligans are drunk and watching a game.  Anyways, here:

At a Wal-Mart store in Columbus, Ohio, Nikki Nicely, 19, jumped onto a man's back and pounded his shoulders when he tried to take a 40-inch Samsung flat-screen television to which she had laid claim. "That's my TV!" Ms. Nicely shouted. "That's my TV!"

A police officer and security guard intervened, but not before Ms. Nicely took an elbow in the face. In the end, she was the one with the $798 television, marked down from $1,000. "That's right," she cried as her adversary walked away. "This here is my TV!"


Yeah, take that!

by username 2008-11-29 06:31AM | 0 recs
Some People Will Learn

The big news of this event will cause some people to pause and think about this. Walmart has lost an employee and may face a lawsuit, so they may learn.

Life is about learning. People will learn for this, but events like this will always happen because people die and are replaced by the young and the young has to learn. Humans think they are special and can't imagine that they can act like animals; but they are animals, no more special than the rat, flea, mosquito or any other animal. In fact, molecular biologists have concluded that rice is a more complex life form than the Homo Sapien.

by Zzyzzy 2008-11-29 08:59AM | 0 recs
Ah .... Good Times

Remember the Cabbage Patch doll craze?   Well if you are under 35 or so probably not.   But it was very real and very freaky.  I once saw a women's head split open in the melee that was a Cabbage Patch doll sale.

A store advertised they had x amount of dolls that would go on sale when the store openned.  My mom wanted to see if she could get one.  We went down there and when the doors openned it was a mad dash by about half the crowd.   The other half of civil / amazed / amused.  

One middle aged women in the dash down the aisle got elbowed and shoved to the side by a fat lady.  The women who was shoved went flying off towards the close racks and endup being t-boned right in the forehead by one.   A bloody mess.

I remember it well.  I got a basketball.

by RichardFlatts 2008-11-29 10:00AM | 0 recs
Re: WALMART Black Friday Tragedy

It's a cliche, but those people need to "get a life."

by Bush Bites 2008-11-29 10:47AM | 0 recs
Re: WALMART Black Friday Tragedy:

This was awful. I blame the consumerism attitude that is cultivated by Wal-Mart and all the other huge chain stores. These huge stores wanted thousand and thousands desperate for savings, waiting listlessly out side of the doors. And most americans dont feel ashamed of what we've become, a nation dominated by money and greed.

by alyssa chaos 2008-11-29 02:24PM | 0 recs
Media Guidelines for such events

Media Guide:

If a white person kills a black person, all whites are responsible

If a black person kills a black person, 'Society/We' (all Americans) are all to blame

If a black person kills a white person, it never happened

by ornby 2008-11-30 06:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Media Guidelines for such events

Tell that to all the blacks on death row.  

Also, thanks for the two explanations of what 'society' means.  I don't think I could have figured it out without that.  While you're at it though, you might want to enlarge your definition to include "culture/discourse (including the media)".
 

by sneakers563 2008-11-30 09:16AM | 0 recs

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