Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

As a long time Obama supporter I have become more and more convinced Senator Obama has chosen Senator Clinton as his running mate. In fact as I've stated before in a past diary I believe he decided on her a long time ago.
Senator Clinton brings everything you would want. Number one in her favor are VOTES. We would win in a landslide and imagine the excitement on the part of Clinton supporters. People sometimes say the Clintons represent the past. Choosing the first woman to be vice president of the United States represents CHANGE and EVOLUTION. It shows everyone a woman is qualified to be vice president and President. It shows every boy and girl what is possible and that "glass ceilings" are meant to be shattered. Just by choosing Senator Clinton, President Obama would always be remembered for choosing the first female Vice President of the United States. Looking at Senator Clinton's legacy we can see how she has earned this opportunity. What about Bill?  Senator Obama has already stated he will use the former President. The upside of having Bill Clinton to send around the world far out weighs any downside. By choosing Senator Clinton you get an enthusiastic former President who can accomplish so much more than he has in the past. Finally who can compete with Senator Clinton for the Vice Presidency? Senator Clinton would be a great political move but more importantly the best man for this job is a woman and that woman is Senator Clinton. That's why it's a Dream team.

Tags: Change, Dream team, Obama Clinton (all tags)

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160 Comments

Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Thanks for the nice diary. That surely would be great. Most HRC supporters would definitely welcome this ticket.  But at the same time, I'll defer to Senator Obama's decision, it's his choice.

by louisprandtl 2008-07-18 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Of course it is his decision and he certainly has more information than I do. I just can't see anyone who comes close to Clinton. Thank you for your comment.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

I don't know that Clinton brings everything one would want.  She is not from a contested state and does not bring foreign policy experience which Obama sorely needs.  That said, I would grin and bear it were he to choose her.

by Philoguy 2008-07-19 06:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team
You are right on both points. Having said this I think she is popular enough to win many states that could be close. Foreign policy well Both Obama and Clinton are lacking but Obama can surround himself with plenty of "wise men"
Thanks for the comment.
by Politicalslave 2008-07-19 06:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

What about Arkansas?

by LakersFan 2008-07-19 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Yes of course. Thanks for reminding me. I was only thinking of New York.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-19 02:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Who else can bring in the votes like Senator Clinton? Who else can bring more people together than Senator Clinton?

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

The thing is -- she both attracts and dissuades voters -- in about equal numbers.  

by politicsmatters 2008-07-18 05:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Where do you get any sort of data to back up that assertion? I hear it made time and time again, but no one provides a source.

by LakersFan 2008-07-18 05:43PM | 0 recs
Obamacans and Independants

They don't (or at least didn't) like HRC. I think she's so redefined herself in this last primary that it'd be fine, but I will say this much: I grew up in a conservative town, and I know a dozen people currently voting for Obama who we'll lose if Clinton is on the ticket, no doubt.

I think that there's only anecdotal evidence to make the argument with, but I think its made its way into general political "wisdom" because enough people, based on their own individual relationships like the ones I mentioned have asserted it.

Nonetheless, lots of people have a changed opinion on HRC after this last primary. I think she could continue to reinforce the new image (populist woman of the people) and really hit a home run with some of the very voters she would have alienated just a year ago with the old one partially co-opted from the Right's caricature of her (brilliant, cut-throat Washington Insider).

Personally I'd love to see her get the nod.

by warmwaterpenguin 2008-07-18 06:49PM | 0 recs
well I would bet money

there are at least a dozen people who wouldnt vote for Obama but if Hillary is on the ticket, will.

by sepulvedaj3 2008-07-18 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: well I would bet money

Exactly. And they all post on MyDD.

by LakersFan 2008-07-18 08:00PM | 0 recs
By your own descriptor, your town

is filled with conservatives.

Why the heck should I care about whether or not conservatives will vote for anyone, will be a part of a liberal movement?????   Seriously, it sounds to me like so called "independents" from a conservative lean want to take over the democratic party and move it even more to the right.

If conservatives love Obama and hate Hilly, I find THAT scary for all of us.

by Jjc2008 2008-07-19 05:57AM | 0 recs
personally I would love her to be on the SCOTUS

VP has no real power, much as Darth is trying to carve one out (unconstitutionally, but that is just "quaint" anyway)

by zerosumgame 2008-07-18 06:54PM | 0 recs
Cheney didn't get that memo. n/t

by bobswern 2008-07-18 07:06PM | 0 recs
I definitely agree

This is one thing that really bothers me about Hillary in that role. Whatever happens, she's probably going to continue to be a very big voice in the area of getting stuff done, and I don't WANT the VP to wield as much power as it had under Cheney. Which is why I like Edwards. He could help shape things, serve as a voice of balance and conscience, but would not be vital to playing out the agenda.

That said, if McCain is going to pick Romney, I like Hillary better in that role.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: personally I would love her to be

She'd be fantastic as SCOTUS.

by Philoguy 2008-07-19 06:41AM | 0 recs
Re: personally I would love her to be

This is what I mean there are many people who would "love her to be VP". By choosing Clinton you have millions of supporters who are really excited and willing to work hard to elect a Democrat. We need as much momentum as possible and Clinton would give us that.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-19 06:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

I think the best position we can all have is that we will support whomever Barack Obama selects as his VP. He has earned the right to make that selection.

by pollbuster 2008-07-18 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

I agree and he will choose or as I believe has already chosen who he thinks is best. I trust his judgment but from my point of view I can't see anyone that can guarantee a win for us like Senator Clinton. We need a landslide to make changes.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 05:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

As time has gone by, I have to think this may well be the case. Funny, there was a time in which this was considered to be nuts, but I don't think that's true anymore. They were just so bloodied by the end of that battle that it seemed they were both too weak to run on the same ticket. They've gotten stronger, though. I think one key thing it would take, though, would be Bill Clinton saying that he would be completely out of the picture and letting Hillary rule herself. Last thing we need is any of Bill's skeletons to get in the way.

All this being said, I still might be happier with Edwards. But we'll see how this overseas visit goes. If McCain doesn't pull another Geraldo and get him killed, that is.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 05:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Quick food for thought. If Obama DID decide that he wanted Hillary on board as VP awhile back, Solis Doyle may have been an inspiring choice. She always did good work for Hillary as chief of staff, but the conventional wisdom was that it was a slap in the face. If we see Clinton in there, it may have just been a very clever ruse.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Yes I agree. So let's imagine for a moment that he chose Clinton a "long time ago" They would wnat to keep it quiet for many reasons. Choose the right moment for Senator Clinton to walk on stage and you will have a media frenzy. Timing is everything and Obama knows about timing and drama.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 05:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

They should get Vince McMahon to help. Nobody in the world has maximized dramatic entrances more than professional wrestling. They could make the house lights "go out" and then have her appear on stage with pillars of flames like Kane.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 05:51PM | 0 recs
hahahhaha

thats the best thing i've read on this blog

by sepulvedaj3 2008-07-18 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

That is so funny. I agree!

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 08:16PM | 0 recs
At the very least, Ric Flair's music...

...Could start playing.

by Andre Walker 2008-07-19 05:33AM | 0 recs
Re: At the very least, Ric Flair's music...

At the very least! Ha ha

by Politicalslave 2008-07-19 06:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Solis already said she could easily work with Clinton again.  

Here's a link to my recent diary on that topic: Does Patty Solis Doyle know something we don't?

by LakersFan 2008-07-18 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

I just read your diary Thanks for posting it. I hadn't heard any of that.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 08:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

And then there was yesterday's story about how Bill Clinton is eager to campaign with Obama (diaried here: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/17/1619 32/630).

It all makes me think something's afoot.

by LakersFan 2008-07-18 08:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

When do you think Obama will anounce his choice?

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 08:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

I haven't given it any thought. I haven't seen any indications he's planning on announcing before the convention, have you?

by LakersFan 2008-07-18 08:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

No indications at all. I'm sure they will build things up as much as possible until Diaries like this are a dime a dozen. Ha ha

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 08:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Kerry: July 6
Gore: August 7
Clinton: July 10

So, probably soon, but they may wait for showmanship purposes. I'd personally love to see McCain have his VP leaked/announced... and then have all the media coverage focused on Clinton.

by TCQuad 2008-07-18 08:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Yes wouldn't that be great. Thanks for posting the history.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 08:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Unless... McCain does the smart thing and announces this week.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 11:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

It's true McCain might try something while Obama is away to grab some of the spotlight. He should drop out now that would get some news. Ha ha

by Politicalslave 2008-07-19 12:38AM | 0 recs
Quite a mental error

for a guy who claims to have a lot of experience.  McCain is lucky he said it on Firday afternoon.

McCain also has an opportunity while Obama is away; the timing of this trip is what concerns me the most as I'd rather have Obama go overseas during the Olympics, rather than a time when Americans are overwhelmingly focused on domestic concerns.

Someone has got to hold down the fort for Obama while he's away for quite some time (over a week?).  Perhaps it will be Hillary.

by Blazers Edge 2008-07-18 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Quite a mental error

We'll see. McCain will look pretty stupid fighting against an absent opponent, particularly if he keeps up the nasty tenor we've seen the last couple of weeks. Meanwhile, Obama has tons of press with him. It won't be very hard for him to make news, so if he has productive talks, he should see a decent boost. Meanwhile, he has to have something pretty major planned for his speech in Berlin. Why else make a point to give one in front of an international audience?

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 05:24PM | 0 recs
I'm not sure if Americans

will necessarily to buy into the idea that it would be an advantage for us internationally if our president were revered by Europeans, etc.  I think the best thing that Obama can do on this trip is to come off as someone who would be a great ambassador for how great we are as a country.  If he can pull that off, the trip will be a success.

The Republicans, starting with Rudy and Romney last week, were already preparing for Obama-mania in Europe by mocking him as running for the president of Europe.  We'll see how it plays out next week though my concern about the optics of McCain talking about domestic issues facing Americans while Obama is abroad remains.  

I would have liked the trip to come at a later time, perhaps after the VP was selected so that someone could hold down the fort for Obama while he's gone.

by Blazers Edge 2008-07-18 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not sure if Americans

They don't even need him there to put up a good A-game. They need to put together a series of ads that have been a long time coming, "The McCain/McCain Debates". Heard about another reversal just today on a federal emissions limit. And as usual, his turnaround time was about a month.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 05:33PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not sure if Americans

Perhaps they could get somebody like Alec Baldwin to pretend to be the debate moderator.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 05:33PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not sure if Americans

As for Europe, I don't think it's as big a deal as the GOP would like it to be. You're right, he needs to focus on trying to win them over on behalf of America, and I think that's what he plans to do. I mean, why else try to speak at the Brandenburg Gate if not to talk about American diplomacy and the need for international cooperation?

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not sure if Americans

At the same time, Obama needs strong surrogates back home.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-18 05:41PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not sure if Americans

It will be interesting to see how things go at home while Obama is away. Expectations are very high for his trip abroad. I'm sure he will live up to the hype though.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Quite a mental error

McCains track record shows that he is his own worst enemy. He doesn't seem to know what he stands for. He is used to everyone agreeing with him. So he isn't used to follow up questions or criticism.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Quite a mental error

Yeah, people keep saying, "Oh, McCain's getting better, McCain's getting better.." BULL. If he hasn't gotten better before now, he's not going to. If Obama's campaign can actually force the media's hand into doing their job by continuing to highlight McCain's flaws and misconceptions, this election is not even close. They want to push the flip-flop meme, and it is really awful, because McCain has done far more severe turns in far more public venues.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 05:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Quite a mental error

That's a good point after all this time we shouldn't expect much improvement. I was actually thinking he would get better but now thanks to you and McCain I realize this is his "best"

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 09:09PM | 0 recs
Edwards did a lousy job as VP candidate last time

I hope he's not on the ticket.  Would love him in the cabinet tho

by activatedbybush 2008-07-18 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards

Agree. He's a great advocate, only an average candidate.

by TCQuad 2008-07-18 09:02PM | 0 recs
Fricking Bayh

seems to be getting his tryout this weekend on one of the Sunday shows against Lieberman.  This guy is such a useless dem; his blandness seems to be his entire appeal.

He's also giving interviews about the personal similarities he shares with Obama.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanma rtin/0708/Bayh_notes_he_has_much_in_comm on_with_Obama.html#comments

I suppose he'd possibly help you capture those eleven electoral college votes in Indiana (putting Lugar in his commercials is probably helping Obama out as well) but Plouffe already said that Obama would not make the choice dependent on whether the VP candidate could turn a specific state blue.

by Blazers Edge 2008-07-18 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Fricking Bayh

Bayh better not get the nomination. Shit, Obama better not go further right than he is right now, and he DAMN well better not pick a DLC stooge. I'll be pissed.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 05:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Fricking Bayh

So Obama has the right to choose who he wants, so long as it's a person you want.

by pollbuster 2008-07-18 05:35PM | 0 recs
I think he/she is just

saying that Bayh would be a bad choice, not that Obama would lose his/her vote on the basis of choosing Bayh.  Only Nunn and Hagel seem to inspire that sense of "dealbreaker" in some of the bloggers here.

by Blazers Edge 2008-07-18 05:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Fricking Bayh

Trust me, I don't expect to have any influence over Obama whatsoever. I have absolutely no control over who Obama chooses. It's just that I, personally, would just be very disappointed and don't think that Bayh would bring anything at all to the ticket. If the charge against Obama is that he's pandering to the center, a choice like Bayh would just cement that. His votes against every single one of the FISA amendments pissed me off, too. I was annoyed when Obama voted for cloture, though I can understand since the bill was absolutely going to pass. But those amendments? Those could have gotten through and would have been gamechangers.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Fricking Bayh

just a small correction. Obama did not vote for cloture. He wasn't there for the vote. Neither was Hillary or McCain.

by MS01 Indie 2008-07-18 06:07PM | 0 recs
Hillary

would serve all of us better if she remained in the senate.

We need liberals in Congress and she will become a bigger voice in the future.

by Coldblue 2008-07-18 05:35PM | 0 recs
Do you believe that because you

genuinely believe that we need her there, or because you don't like her and don't want her on the ticket?

I'm not sure having her on the ticket is good for either of them.

by activatedbybush 2008-07-18 05:38PM | 0 recs
Genuinely believe

that Hillary is needed. Any substitute for her seat weakens the cause.

by Coldblue 2008-07-18 05:59PM | 0 recs
RFK JR

Is pushing for her senate seat when she leaves, i think that would be a strong voice, if not for the name itself.

by sepulvedaj3 2008-07-18 07:37PM | 0 recs
I think that the NY seat would be fine either way

Clinton is as much a symbol as a Senator.  Yes she is very good on the nuances of policy and has shown she can play well in the Senate club but much of her differentiated value comes from the fact that she leads a movement within the party.

by activatedbybush 2008-07-19 05:06AM | 0 recs
agreed

by sepulvedaj3 2008-07-22 07:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary

The buzz in New York is that if a vacancy in the senate occurs Gov. Patterson will choose Bobby Kennedy Jr. I think he would be a great liberal voice in the senate.

by pollbuster 2008-07-18 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary

Wow I hadn't heard that about Kennedy. This all seems to make some sort of sense at least to my little mind.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 06:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary

thats been in the works for a while, and i think one of the reasons he endorsed her. If she won the nomination, he'd be right at the top of the list.

Either way, he is at the top of the list.

by sepulvedaj3 2008-07-18 07:38PM | 0 recs
Congresswoman

Lowey will be able to take her seat.  She's to Hillary's left anyway and Patterson could put her there for four years.  It is my understanding that she was going to run in 2000 before Hillary decided to run.

Hillary could probably get Obama to turn over to her most of the domestic agenda if she really pushed him during negotiations; Obama strikes as someone who wants to play the "hero" and foreign policy is where the sexy stuff can be found.  His desire to go at it with McCain on Iraq and Afghanistan this week, when it trails the economy overwhelmingly as an issue in people's minds, indicates his mind will be on foreign policy primarily.

by Blazers Edge 2008-07-18 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Congresswoman

His desire to go at it with McCain on Iraq and Afghanistan this week, when it trails the economy overwhelmingly as an issue in people's minds, indicates his mind will be on foreign policy primarily.

I don't see it that way. I see it as attacking McCain on his strength. Obama rates higher with voters on all domestic policies already. Where McCain beats him is on the war on terror and on foreign policy. If Obama ignores those issues in favor of domestic issues then he is ceding that portion of the debate to McCain.

by MS01 Indie 2008-07-18 06:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Congresswoman
Yes I agree if Obama can improve his image in regards to National security than McCain is toast.
Senator Obama will return home looking much stronger and the world will have hope that the "bush legacy" will be cleaned up.
by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Congresswoman
I might add to this that Americans may see Senator Obama as someone who can influence change
unlike anyone we have ever seen.
by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Congresswoman

I mentioned 'soft power' in another thread. I have a feeling that the American public will be very impressed with the reception Obama receives overseas. I don't expect that to be a major factor in voting, but it will probably be an influence for some people.

No one really likes to be hated, except for the odd person here or there. One of the biggest knocks on Bush is how he has ruined this country's reputation. There may be a lot of people who would rather have the US be feared rather than be loved and admired, but there are far more people who would rather have the US be the rightfully admired leader of this world. Obama's trip can give people hope that we can get back to that position.

by MS01 Indie 2008-07-19 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Congresswoman

I couldn't agree more. Soft power is where Obama can really strengthen us. I wish you would write a diary on soft power. I saw your comment in the other diary.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-19 02:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

As I've often said:

I would accept it.  I am not eager to see it happen, however.  I want to see extensive polling on how many voters she attracts versus how many she drives away.  Neither group is small and I want to see the breakdown.

If she's a net positive then tatoo Obama/Clinton on my forehead.  Just show me the data first.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-18 05:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team
I don't have numbers and Thank you for your honest
opinion. I'm sure though that some people would be turned off by Clinton but they may not vote for Obama either. I'm certain we would win in a landslide with Clinton.
by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 05:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Every single Obamacan I know says they will vote for Obama unless Hillary is on the ticket.  I need to know how big that is.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-18 06:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

If I understand your point. I don't think there are a lot of Democrats and Independents that won't vote for Obama whomever he picks. I just think Senator Clinton offers so much.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 06:49PM | 0 recs
stop with this Obamacan crap.

Obama needs to secure the base before he goes after swing voters. If you have no base, and the swing voters "swing," you lose. That is why he must pick Hillary.

by Lakrosse 2008-07-18 07:25PM | 0 recs
Re: stop with this Obamacan crap.

Only an idiot ignores the downside and focuses solely on the upside.

I've been clear here.  We need to quantify this.  If she brings in more than she ushers out, then I'm all for it.

I'm asking for data.  I'm not being a dick, nor am I being unreasonable.  If you're correct then all is well.

What the hell is the problem exactly?  The base is coming along nicely.  We ain't home yet, but we're getting there.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-18 09:31PM | 0 recs
Re: stop with this Obamacan crap.

So, attracting Republicans are more important to you than core Democrats?  Let the Dashcle-ization begin.  Anyone who's been to this site more than once knows your anti-Hillary bias.  To disguise it in the form of being attractive to "Obama-cans" is disingenuous.  "Every Obamican"? please... let's win this with democrats, not republicans.  Cast aside us core Democrats at your own peril...

by alamedadem 2008-07-18 10:45PM | 0 recs
Deap breath

We actually need the middle. Who wins the middle wins the election. Obama has the core democrats, McCain has the core Republicans.
HRC has a lot of strengths, what people are asking is does her strengths outweigh her negatives. Obviously you feel so, and that's copacetic. But don't jump down people's throats for looking for more than just your word.
by notedgeways 2008-07-18 11:37PM | 0 recs
Re: stop with this Obamacan crap.

Let's be clear. Hillary is not the only path to getting what you call "core" democrats on board. Obama brings in a great many of them on his own, and if there's more independents he can get than the remaining core democrats, he'd be better off going with someone else. Someone also progressive, someone who Clinton supporters like, someone that would not carry Hillary's extensive personal baggage. A Wesley Clark, for example.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 11:39PM | 0 recs
Re: stop with this Obamacan crap.

Obama cannot win if he only brings in a "great many" of core Democrats. He needs to win virtually all Dems. Clinton received 18 million votes from core Dem voters in the primaries. She represents the core of the Democratic party and can deliver votes that Obama will not get without her on the ticket.

by LakersFan 2008-07-19 12:26AM | 0 recs
votes are votes

It's a simple empirical question.  Does Hillary bring more Dem votes than she would cost in Indy/GOP votes?  Nobody knows.  Until there's some polling on this there's no real basis for an argument either way.  

by JJE 2008-07-19 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: votes are votes

I understand that. Similarly, without empirical evidence, there's no baisis for so much "concern" that she might cost votes.

Regardless, it's absurd for anyone to claim that Clinton does not appeal to core Democrats. A Democratic candidate's strategy should be to shore up the entire Democratic base before going for the Indys and others. Obama is the Democratic party's nominee.

by LakersFan 2008-07-19 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: votes are votes

There is anecdotal evidence though.  And we do have polling data on her negatives across the electorate.  That data may overstate her negatives, though.

All I want is data.  I'm shocked that anybody would take issue with me for wanting a poll or two done first.  Seriously, that's nuts.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-19 08:45AM | 0 recs
Re: votes are votes

I take issue with you being making claims based on "anecdotal evidence" (i.e. "the Obamacans you know") without empirical evidence.

You're applying a serious double standard here and the fact that you're pretending it's all about objectivity and empirical evidence is bordering on humorous.

by LakersFan 2008-07-19 09:05AM | 0 recs
Re: votes are votes

Every time I bring it up I say I want polling and I have at least once distinguished my anecdotes from meaningful data.

I'm not pretending anything.  Stop being a jackass and take me at my word.

I want this polled so there's no room for debate.  I don't have an agenda here, other than finding out what works best.

Seriously, you're really pissing me off here.  I don't have it in for Clinton.  I'd prefer somebody else but I'd accept her, if it makes the most sense to pick her.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-19 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: votes are votes

Your "concern" has been noted.

by LakersFan 2008-07-19 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: votes are votes

Cute.  You're a raging asshole, you know.

I'm advocating we do what's best for the party by doing a simple poll and I'm the concern troll?

Would you prefer we have Obama pick Hillary based on the feelings of you folks without doing any meaningful research on the topic?  Inconsistencies with Obama's message be damned?

I'm being reasonable here, buddy.  You ain't.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-19 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: votes are votes

Your "concern" is just as legitimate as the "concern" expressed by many lifelong Democrats about Obama. They're either both legitimate concerns, or not. You choose. I don't care either way, I just don't like double-standards.

And congratulations on resorting to name-calling and profanity.

by LakersFan 2008-07-19 09:29AM | 0 recs
Re: votes are votes

No, this isn't a fair parallel.

Those folks expressed their concern as the primaries raged on and some seemed to insist we should break our own rules to give them the winner they wanted.

VP's don't get elected in the same way P's do.

Morever, I take issue with the implied equating of legitimate concerns with "concern trolls."  That term has a meaning that many folks here ignore.

Dissent is fine.  Stirring up shit looking for a fight isn't.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-19 02:04PM | 0 recs
Re: votes are votes

Oh. I see. They're not parallel because you say they're not parallel. Those people were concern trolls because you say their concern was illigitimate, but your concern is real and legitimate. Give up the double-standards already. You're not fooling anyone.

by LakersFan 2008-07-19 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: stop with this Obamacan crap.

hmmmm

Obama v. McCain in CA

http://www.pollster.com/08-CA-Pres-GE-Mv O.php

looks like he is doing OK..

by nogo postal 2008-07-19 09:49AM | 0 recs
Re: stop with this Obamacan crap.

Great! I bet he's leading in Illinois too!

How's he doing in Florida, Ohio or Pennsylvania? Think he could use a few more HRC Democrats supporting him in those states?

by LakersFan 2008-07-19 09:55AM | 0 recs
Re: stop with this Obamacan crap.

He's leading in Ohio and Pennsylvania.  He's down by less than four in Florida.

I'd say he's doing just fine.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-19 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: stop with this Obamacan crap.

Um, I think that growing the brand is about the most important thing we can possibly do.  As to whether it is actually more important than securing our base?

It may actually be, yes.  I'm not sure yet.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-19 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

I'm developing a yen for Biden on the ticket. He's very smart and very good on his feet, extremely knowledgable on foreign policy, and has some great cred on some other issues -- recently managing lifting the travel ban on HIV positive individuals and back in the 1990s showing great leadership on the Violence Against Women Act.

And he's not afraid to call BS on Republicans.

I think he'd campaign well in states like Ohio and Virginia as well as out west.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-18 05:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

I like Biden as well and Edwards but I don't think they measure up to Clinton overall. I think you may have mentioned in the past someone with a military background as well which I believe is very possible since we are involved in at least two wars at this time. Still I think Obama could just add military to his cabinet.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Well, my first choice is STILL Wes Clark, for the military and European Foriegn Policy expertise, but I would love to see
Senator Clinton tear apart whom ever they throw against her in in the VP debate.

Mittens? OMG, they will have to bring in a stretcher after Hillary slices him to ribbons.

Maybe then can get Bill head of the UN as someone suggested so he is fully occupied!

by WashStateBlue 2008-07-18 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Ugh, can you imagine Mitt presiding over the Senate? What a revolting display that would be.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

I like that idea about Bill but I don't think President Obama will put up with anything from Bill. President Clinton has to behave to make his wife look Presidential.Bill messed up a lot but he will be much better in the future.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team
I like that idea about Bill but I don't think President Obama will put up with anything from Bill.

That's why you send him to where he can help (on the international stage) but where no one in the media will pay close attention to him (on the international stage).
by TCQuad 2008-07-18 08:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Special envoy to the Middle East. When he was in office, Bill came closer than any President since Carter to a major breakthough on Irael/Palestine situation. He would love a second bite at the apple, would work really hard at it, and he is a real expert on the issues and personalities - no learning curve.

The worst that could happen is he makes peace in the Middle East and Obama has to share the glory, and come up with a new mission for him.

by itsthemedia 2008-07-18 10:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Yes absolutely TCQuaid

by Politicalslave 2008-07-19 12:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

I've been amused in the past at how many Obama fans express their angst about having Bill Clinton around "causing trouble" or whatever. They seem to have much less faith in Obama's ability to handle strong personalities than I do, even though I am not a big Obama fan. I mean, is Obama a strong leader or not? If yes, he is not afraid of dealing with other leaders and finding a way to harness their abilities to get his agenda implemented. If not, why in the world were they so taken with the idea of making him President in the first place?

by itsthemedia 2008-07-18 10:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Well, Hillary is nothing if not strong and it was beyond her.  In the recent campaign, I mean...

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-18 10:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Don't confuse dealing with a man like Bill Clinton with controlling him. He's a force of nature. You don't control him, you channel him and harness him. She got a lot more help than harm from having him on the trail for her, IMHO. I got to attend one of his speeches this spring - the first time I had seen him in person since '92. Simply put, the man has still got "it".

by itsthemedia 2008-07-18 10:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Not doubting his energy, or effectiveness, at retail politics but looking back over all the controversies, and allowing for the amazingly ignorant narratives on display in the media, how do you keep score?  Uncontrollable forces of nature seem inconsistent with the remarkably coherent message discipline we have seen so far from Obama's campaign.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-18 10:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team
That doesn't surprise me at all. President Clinton
is the Elvis of the Democratic party. Charisma is special and he's got it. That's why Obama should use him as much as he can. If he chooses Senator Clinton he gets more out of Bill.
by Politicalslave 2008-07-19 12:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

If he can't handle Bill, he shouldn't be president.  The next president will have to "handle" a host of strong personalities.  Obama's up to it.  Stop with the excuses for the HRC hatred.

by alamedadem 2008-07-18 10:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

It's not that he couldn't handle Bill, it's that his implicit involvement in any way would open up the window for all sorts of attacks. It'll be a little harder for conservatives to go after Hillary if she's not got Bill right behind her.

And make no mistake, I'm FOR Hillary as a potential VP, but she DOES have a great deal of baggage that must be considered. They made a whole lotta negative stuff that they never got the chance to use against her. This would give them the ability to use all of it. Fortunately, a lot of what they'd attack Hillary on is Bill.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 11:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Your "concern" is noted.

by LakersFan 2008-07-19 12:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

OK, you segued into the other silly argument I see all the time - the "baggage argument". The best response to that came from an Obama supporter friend of mine. (Yes, I have friends offline, as unlikely as that may seem!) If Hillary had zero "baggage", the media and the right would immediately manufacture some "baggage" for her. Look at what they did to Gore and Kerry. I sure hope Obama has lots of "baggage" by the end of his term in office, and I hope he totes it along with him as proudly as Bill and Hillary tote theirs. It's the reward the righties give you for accomplishing progressive goals.

by itsthemedia 2008-07-20 04:04PM | 0 recs
Can't just make him "head of the UN"

The UN Secretary-General serves renewable 5 year terms. Ban Ki-moon has at least 3 more years, and likely 8 before he leaves. Furthermore the SG is appointed by the General Assembly and the US heavily pushing a former president, even if he is liked by the international community, would go down like a lead balloon.

Perhaps you meant UN Ambassador? That would be copacetic and would actually be a great fit for Bill

by notedgeways 2008-07-18 11:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

You say you've become more and more convinced that this is inevitable. Based on what? Do you have any specifics? As a Hillary supporter, I'd love to know.

by NY Writer 2008-07-18 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team
Great question When I look at the other candidates
I don't think they can produce the same amount of voters. As I say I like Edwards but I don't think he could do it. Biden is great too but by choosing Clinton you get so much more such as the female vote. Name me a candidate that would bring in more votes and more party unity. The other candidates are boring in comparison. Could I be wrong? You bet! Other candidates such as webb have dropped out. So the short list is very short now which is why it's becoming clearer to me. As I say I might be wrong. (It wouldn't be the first time) Thanks
by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

One things for sure -- it would sure put a zip into the convention and drive the media into a frenzy.    I almost feel like anyone else at this point, short of Gore or Edwards, would be a bit of a downer.  

You can love her or hate her, but damn, I think many many people miss her and her energy.  And even if you lose some Republicans you gain committed ground troops and a shitload of money.  

It's one hell of a narrative too -- old bitter adversaries mending their differences and moving forward together.  Add that to a ticket for the history books and I think you've got some serious mojo going on.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-07-18 06:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

obama says one of his favorite books is Team of Rivals.  i don't know any better way for him to prove it than selecting clinton.

u r right tho, the media frenzy and money would dwarf mccain even more than it already has.

by MKyleM 2008-07-18 07:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

That's what I was thinking. Choosing Clinton would say a lot. Thanks for the book title.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

The convention would be amazing. We will find out his choice within four weeks I guess.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Anyone willing to put real money on this?  I can't find a place to bet against it on InTrade.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-18 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Who do you think Obama will choose and when?

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Well, that's something I'm a lot less sure about but at this point, surprisingly, I am thinking Reed, Biden and Edwards, in that order, in spite of Reed's disavowal of interest.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-18 09:00PM | 0 recs
When?

Whenever it steps on McCain's calendar the hardest before the convention.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-18 09:03PM | 0 recs
Re: When?

There's a two week period between Obama's return and the opening ceremonies of the olympics. I'd put his announcement during those two weeks, maybe a few days prior.

Of course, the smart thing for the GOP to do is to announce their VP selection while Obama is off in Europe. If they wanna be real douchebags, they'll do it right before his Berlin speech. Which would suck on the one hand, but on the other, it would mean they made their move first. And unless it's the (by this point) super-longshot Sarah Palin, it should be easy to counter-program.

Speaking of Palin, I get the feeling she either turned down the chance or was told early on she wasn't going to get it. She's off in Alaska focusing heavy on governor stuff, which is never a sign that you're about to head out on a national campaign.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 11:33PM | 0 recs
Re: When?

I agree about Obama's timing but just can't see McCain striking first.  They seem so weak and reactive.  Who do you have for Obama's VP?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-18 11:50PM | 0 recs
Re: When?

At this point, Clinton is my main pick. There's just so much evidence that points in that direction, not the least of whch is that so many potential choices seem to have petered out.

But I'd also see Edwards as a possible choice. There's been talk about Obama pulling a Gore and getting someone that would boost his own appeal. Edwards would do that and be enough of an outsider to seem fresh.

On the other hand, he could go outside the system. Biden is definitely still in the mix. I'd be intrigued by a longshot like Brian Schweitzer.

The one thing I hope he doesn't do is pick a conservative Democrat "just because". I definitely fear he might, but I hope he doesn't. If he's got brains in him, he won't go too far. There is a difference between conservative and populist, and he better know that. This election calls for a populist, because conservatives are actually quite unpopular right now. Dunno how that could be more clear.

by vcalzone 2008-07-19 12:20AM | 0 recs
Re: When?

I agree about Biden and/or Edwards.  I just can't see the Hillary option, for reasons oft discussed in the past, I see no reason why they're any different now.  Obama seems to be doing fine in polls and fund-raising.  

Reed is just a hunch, he's such a counter-intuitive but sane choice and he's one of the only ones of my early favourites left in the mix.  Clark?  I wish.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-19 12:27AM | 0 recs
Re: When?

I might have been more likely to push for Webb, Reed, Clark etc a couple of weeks ago. Lately, though, we're seeing the real narrative of the campaign emerge. McCain put forward the idea that won the battle (though that definitely doesn't give enough credit to David Petraeus's groundbreaking and working COIN strategies), Obama is the one that understands our next move. Once he's back, I'm not sure he'll need to bolster his foreign policy as much as he will need to put forth a bright and shiny image and hammer down with serious economic plans. Oddly, the exact things he was criticized for doing in the first place.

by vcalzone 2008-07-19 05:37AM | 0 recs
Re: When?

Oddly indeed, and I think you have a good point.  Still the 'national security' narrative is all the poor buggers have got their teeth into and they're dying on the economy, gas tax holidays, Gramm et al.  We need to beat them over the head with a newspaper open to the 'World news' section until they let it go.  For a generation.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-19 06:04AM | 0 recs
Re: When?

Who would want to be McCain's running mate? It seems like such a lose,lose proposition.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-19 01:20AM | 0 recs
Mittens

seems to be gunning for it pretty hard.

by JJE 2008-07-19 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Anyone?  PayPal works fine.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-18 09:19PM | 0 recs
I would have to say...

As time has passed, I think that this race has become a three way race--Hillary, Biden, and Edwards. Alot of signs have been pointing to Hillary. One thing I think that puts Biden a little bit out of it is that he would be 73 in 2016, might be putting him out of the realm of possibility for a Presidential run, as I don't think that McCain's age is helping him. Both Hillary and Edwards will still be below 70, which I think is the threshold we'd be looking at here.

by zcflint05 2008-07-18 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: I would have to say...

And Gore has basically said he's not interested as of yesterday. I don't know if he means it. When do you think Obama will announce his VP?

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 08:42PM | 0 recs
Re: I would have to say...

I think Biden's age is one of the points in his favor, actually.  If Obama picks Clinton or Edwards as his VP and wins it's extremely likely that this person would be the favorite in 2016.  I don't think either of the two, or the Democratic party in general, wants to give that slot to somebody right now (though Clinton and Edwards would take it if offered).  

If Obama picks Biden that solves the problem.  No one who had designs to run in 2016 would think that he or she was shut out (and that almost certainly a longer list).  I don't think Biden would run, not simply because of age, but because there will probably be two or three candidates who could make a dog's breakfast out of him even as the incumbent VP.

by IncognitoErgoSum 2008-07-18 09:18PM | 0 recs
Re: I would have to say...

Interesting. By that time Biden might not be interested as you point out.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 09:53PM | 0 recs
Re: I would have to say...

Not out of the ordinary for a VP to only serve one term.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 11:24PM | 0 recs
Re: I would have to say...

Very interesting, and the answer to how McCain got his party's nomination this time around, too, methinks.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-18 10:02PM | 0 recs
Re: I would have to say...

Yes now that's really interesting. McCain is the "fall guy" Many were happy to "lose" the nomination.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-19 12:42AM | 0 recs
Re: I would have to say...

I'm thinking.  And Huckabee just plain scared them, eh?  And they seem to have pretty much given up on the Congressional seats too.  No, lots of folks queuing up for 2012, I'm guessing.  Bad luck for them.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-19 01:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

You can never say never, but, I really don't see any  clear signals that Obama has already chosen Hillary as his VP, or is seriously considering her for VP.  It is true that the Obama camp is officially saying that she's still a contender, but that doesn't really tell us much about Obama's thinking.  

Honestly, I really am not sure who will be the VP pick.  

Conventional wisdom suggests that Obama will want someone with foreign policy credentials, like a Biden or Nunn, but, I'm not so sure about that.  

With the economy being the number one issue for voters, Obama may go with someone who'll help with that issue.  If so, Hillary would warrant serious consideration, as would John Edwards.  I'm not sure, though, that either of those two would want to sign up for 8 years of being Obama's official surrogate.

If I had to make a guess right now as to who will be VP, I'd go with Evan Bayh.  He wouldn't be my top choice, but, he could be the difference-maker in Indiana and he's someone who will stay on-message.  

by ProfessorReo 2008-07-18 08:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Ugh. I really hope you're wrong. I don't want Bayh for VP at all. I'd like an actual liberal, one not in the pocket of business. One that didn't vote for the Patriot Act. One that won't make Obama look like he's pandering even MORE. If he and Mitt had debates together, it would put the entire nation to sleep.

by vcalzone 2008-07-18 11:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team
I have no link but I think quite recently Obama has said Clinton is still on the short list. So if he isn't going to choose her doesn't he have to try and get the idea of a dream team out of people's minds? The only negative thing I've heard is that Obama said Bill could be a "problem"
What kind of problem? Some scandal or is this just a charade. Obama must be asking Why not Senator Clinton?
by Politicalslave 2008-07-19 01:40AM | 0 recs
HRC

did say she was going to get more exercise; perhaps she was at the gym with Obama a couple of nights ago.

The VP choice presents a contradiction for Obama. He's a low-risk guy by nature according to reporting, meaning that characters such as Bayh and Kaine would make sense; but then again, he's  a guy who's high on symbolism, grandeur, and big events, which would seem to open the door for a HRC.  

Which side of Obama will prevail with respect to his VP choice?

by Blazers Edge 2008-07-18 09:03PM | 0 recs
Re: HRC

I will go with the big event side.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-18 09:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

I trust Barack Hussein Obama.

by spacemanspiff 2008-07-18 09:53PM | 0 recs
One of my, heh, "concerns"

Is that HRC gets talked up as the likely VP choice, to the point where her former supporters and leaners get over excited about it, then what happens if he does NOT chose her as running mate? More of this PUMA crap?

Personally, I am fine either way. The primary was a bruiser, on both sides. She has some very strong favorables, as well as some weaknesses. Her polling negatives where moderately high (even among Dems), and stayed there, meaning there was a definite ceiling. However, in the VP slot she won't be the main focus and the ceiling is much less an issue for her. It would give her 8 years (buddha willing)to do to the nation what she did to upstate NY, namely removing most of those negatives.

There definitely would have to be "an understanding" that Bill stays out of everything unless directly asked by Obama, which as long as it was expressly stated I don't think would be a big issue. Hell, make Bill UN ambassador or something else important and tangential to keep him busy.

However, until we hear from Obama himself I advise to not count on, or get your hopes up AT ALL

by notedgeways 2008-07-18 11:18PM | 0 recs
Re: One of my, heh, "concerns"

Great point and I understand your concern. I don't want to get Clinton's supporters hopes up either but Obama knows about PUMA and the support Senator Clinton still has which is why I think he will choose her. If he wasn't going to then I think he would have said someting or had Senator Clinton say she was no longer interested like Webb. He must be asking why not Clinton.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-19 01:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Hillary is clearly the best choice in my view.

She passed the commander-in-chief test, she can raise huge amounts of money, she's a brilliant campaigner, she's a great attack dog, she appeals to women, latinos, blue collar workers.

She's fully vetted, fully tested. She's experienced yet still offers change.

No other VP choice has national security gravitas, strong appeal to crucial demographics, proven fundraising ability, proven campaigning ability and no other candidate has been vetted like she has. Its a no brainer.

I supported Hillary in the primaries, and should she choose to run again in 2012 (hopefully that wont happen) or 2016 she'll have my support again. I'd love to see her as Vice-President in charge of UHC and children's issues.

by liberalj 2008-07-19 04:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team
It is indeed the dream team. I pray for Hillary to be the VP.
She will smash Romney to pieces.
by W126 2008-07-19 04:33AM | 0 recs
No no no no......

Hilary is everything "old" about the old politics.  Plus total drama, all the time.  Please please don't do this!

by Garret 2008-07-19 04:35AM | 0 recs
Re: No no no no......

Not at all. Senator Clinton is a very unique and persuasive person which is why she has miilions of fans. Passion is never old.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-19 05:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

If Obama chooses any Democrat for VP who voted with Bush/McSame to invade Iraq, he will undermine his own "judgment" advantage over McNut and have no effective answer to the "inexperience" argument being used against him.

Sorry, Hillary, et al, but you made a choice so bad it can't be erased or embraced.

by Beren 2008-07-19 08:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

I completely agree with you.

IF

I think BO will chose HC and prior to the convention, upon getting the VP nod, she will release her delegates and call for unity.

Otherwise,

If he choses someone else to be VP, then we will see several roll calls at the convention, up to and including her delegates/supporters demanding that HC be given the VP position. (Delegates vote for VP too).

Therefore, BO would not want to risk potential fall out at the convention and that is why I believe he will chose her.

by nikkid 2008-07-19 09:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

I agree that Hillary would be a good choice for Obama. If Obama makes more of a traditional choice (White Male) then that will leave the door open for McCain to choose a woman like Condi Rice or Kay Baily Hutchinson to entice a lot of Hillary supporters into switching over to McCain. However, I think from Obama's point of view, Bill Clinton is a big problem. Therefore, I do not think that Obama will choose Hillary.

I've heard rumors that Obama really likes Evan Bayh. My guess is that currently he is the front-runner. He may also go with a Southerner like Edwards. Traditionally, Democratic nominees first look at senators or former senators who will bring some type of balance to the the ticket.

by Zzyzzy 2008-07-19 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

If Hillary were to be VP..
What would Bill's role be?
Obama wants to establish HIS Presidency.
I could see that with Hillary..
but not with a former President hanging around.

Of course Hillary would be part of THE Dream ticket.
It won't happen though...
I look for her to be the next member of SCOTUS...
(I mean he will appoint a woman..and who better)

My 2 pennies are for Edwards...
(and not because of the South)

It will not be Byah..they really don't share philosophy.

by nogo postal 2008-07-19 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

Bill is a busy guy with a job of his own. And that Bill "hanging aroung" narrative is a full-on right-wing talking point.

by LakersFan 2008-07-19 09:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team
Oh Lakersfan...
I do remember your posts during the Primary with your noquarter friends...and spouting their talking points..
by nogo postal 2008-07-19 09:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama /Clinton 08 Dream Team

I don't know what a noquarter friend is or what their talking points are. I'm a lifelong Democrat who supported Hillary Clinton in the primary (like 18 million other Democrats) and plans to vote for Obama. I also happen to think Clinton would be the best choice for VP and would gain him many votes. If you have a problem with this view, then maybe you have a problem with Democrats.

by LakersFan 2008-07-19 10:07AM | 0 recs

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