Voter-Mining vs. Framing--Subtext and Substance

Chris recently did a story, "Moving from Issues to Lifestyles", about the GOP's "psycho-graphic" model of voter contact--based on acquiring consumer data the way corporate America does, and the larger issue of organizing along lifestyle lines.  While I think it obviously makes sense to look for every edge we can get, it also makes sense to look at unintended consequences as well.

The point of doing this is not to torpedo new ideas, but to anticipate problems before creating them.  The voter-mining approach holds great promise, I'm sure. But a more general embrace of lifestyle campaigning can--if pursued in the wrong way--only make matters worse for a Democratic Party that can't describe itself in 10 words.  Furthermore, it can serve as yet another justification for moving to the mushy middle, scorning both the Democratic Party's activist base and it's voter base.

In contrast, as Chris pointed out somewhere during his series of brilliant post-election analyses in 2004, our electoral need is to move the electorate to the left as a matter of identification. We need to revive liberalism as an honorable identity, not necessarily to move to the left on issues.  (Of course, I would advocate for both, but the first is key to winning elections, the second is key to good policy.)

In "Conservatism Is Our Enemy", Chris noted:

In all of my post-election analysis, when all of the tactical ideas are put aside, I keep coming back to a single, basic idea: conservatives are the enemy, and conservatism as an ideology is our main roadblock to electoral success.

We have long since left the era when the two parties could accurately be considered regional and ethnic coalitions rather than ideological coalitions. There are no longer any more conservative Democrats than there are liberal Republicans. A few of each kind manage to hang on, but the ideological vote in this election was clear:

         Bush  Kerry  Margin
Conservative  84    15     69
Liberal       13    85     72

For that matter, the ideological vote was also clear in 2000:

         Bush   Gore   Margin
Conservative  81     17      64
Liberal       13     80      67
The significance of these margins cannot be overstated.  Margins on issues--even hot-button ones like abortion--are typically less than half of what they are between candidates.  This shows that there is an identity effect well above and beyond any particular issue.

My point?  If we pursue lifestyle strategies, we must do so in a way that does not further dilute, disown, disparage or undercut the promotion and defense of liberalism as a political identity and tradition.  To the contrary--we should be thinking about how to marry the two.

But that doesn't seem to be what the mucky-mucks are thinking.  Consider this, from "Remapping the Culture Debate," by Garance Franke-Ruta in the American Prospect:

Ted Nordhaus, a self-proclaimed "recovering pollster," and Michael Shellenberger, a former San Francisco public relations executive, began quietly sending out e-mails in the spring of 2005....

In April 2005, Nordhaus left his job at the opinion research firm Evans/McDonough Company to start, along with Shellenberger, an American branch of the Canadian market research behemoth Environics, which specializes in the study of consumer behavior, right down to the level of "neighborhood lifestyle segmentation." Though such data are not collected on behalf of political figures, it's the kind of information political operatives often use to slice and dice the electorate into ever thinner pieces. Similar data allowed Republicans in 2004 to make sure they targeted last-minute calls and fliers to domestic SUV-drivers, subscribers to hunting magazines, and women who watch Will and Grace.

Clearly, this is the sort of thing we're talking about here.

To continue:

American Environics intended to use the detailed data its parent company had collected since 1992 for a different purpose, however: to challenge progressive interest-group orthodoxies and the progressive movement itself.

In the great debate about how Democrats can stage a comeback (beyond simply waiting for the coming Republican implosion that never seems to arrive), American Environics rejected some of the more popular recommendations out there. Rather than focusing on reframing the Democratic message, as Berkeley linguistics and cognitive science professor George Lakoff has recommended, or on redoubling Democratic efforts to persuade Americans to become economic populists, as another school of thought suggests, the American Environics team argued that the way to move voters on progressive issues is to sometimes set aside policies in favor of values.

Wait a second!  Has Franke-Ruta actually read George Lakoff?  Has she even read the titles of his books?  Moral Politics???   Don't Think of an Elephant: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate??? Hello-o!  Whenever such a facile mis-representation enters the debate, you can bet your booties that something's going on beneath the surface.  And here it comes:

By focusing on "bridge values," they say, progressives can reach out to constituents of opportunity who share certain fundamental beliefs, even if the targeted parties don't necessarily share progressives' every last goal. In that assessment, Shellenberger and Nordhaus are representative of an increasingly influential school of thought within the Democratic Party.

By the beginning of fall 2005, American Environics had presented its data to key Democratic leaders and a who's who of Democratic interest groups: Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, the NDN (formerly the New Democratic Network), Third Way, Planned Parenthood, the Center for American Progress, People for the American Way, the Economic Policy Institute, and OMB Watch. They did so quietly, swearing their viewers to silence. (They will be releasing the data publicly early in 2006.) Few media outlets saw the presentations, but the Prospect was given an early copy of their research.

What's going on here, IMHO, is a center-right alternative to Lakoff.  Lakoff, you see, is an unapologetic man of the left.  He says, in effect, "Liberals have values, and they're objectively better than conservative values, so let's learn to talk and think in terms of them, quite openly and unapologetically.  Know your values and frame the debate accordingly." His approach is both unifying (using broad moral frameworks to talk about a wide range of issues) and liberal, as well as morally gounded.

In contrast, it's hard to know what these characters are up to, but given their own personal histories, given the little we are told, given the potpouri of insiders mentioned above, and the nature of the data they're using, it seems highly probable that what their approach is both fragmenting--targetting smaller and smaller niches specifically--and overtly mushy/centrist, meaning de facto center/right.

Let me be clear.  I don't think that lifestyle targetting has to be done this way.  But this is the way it is being presented now.  (Full details coming soon, apparently.)  We are fools if we do not consider the whole package, seeing only what we want to see that's inside the package.  We are also fools to think this strategy can work.  Why?  

Well, for one thing, the environmental movement is already much like this.  While the national politicians may equate environmentalism with a handful of large organizations, down on the ground there are thousands upon thousands of local, regional and statewide groups, the vast majority of them more or less "lifestyle-based". They are concerned with preserving, protecting, and/or rehabilitating and enjoying a specific habitat. Or they share a specific concern with a type of habitat--be it wild rivers, native plants, or the California surf.  I know this move vividly than most, in part because 15 years ago I helped put together a directory of environmental groups in the Los Angeles area.

The environmental movement is quite successful by most conventional measures.  An awful lot of people are actively involved.  It enjoys tremendously broad support. Almost no one speaks against it.  And yet, the national GOP is relentlessly opposed to it, and has yet to pay a price, even though support for most environmental priorities is a majority position amongst its own party members.

So think about it.  Here's an example of an already organized lifestyle constituency, and yet it still doesn't translate into a hill of beans in term of national politics.

Does that mean that lifestyle politics is a useless illusion?  No, not at all.  But it does mean that we have to think both carefully and hard about what we're trying to accomplish, and how we can possibly measure our progress to know if we're being successful.  And, of course, we have to combine it with something more. A lot more.

Using psycho-graphics to identify people for voter-contact is a relatively superficial tactic, that need not have any deeper strategic or ideological implications.  And measuring success, or progress in using it should be relatively straight-forward.

But the sort of strategy that Nordhaus and Shellenberger are advocating seems very different indeed. In fact, there's every reason to believe that it will fail for exactly the same reason that the centrist establishment approach to running on centrist "soccer mom" issues has failed.  As Lakoff explains in Don't Think of An Elephant:

A third mistake is this: There is a metaphor that political campaigns are marketing campaigns where the candidate is the product and the candidate's positions on issues are the features and qualities of the product.

This leads to the conclusion that polling should determine which issues a candidate should run on. Here's a list of issues. Which show the highest degree of support for a candidate's position? If it's prescription drugs, 78 percent, you run on a platform featuring prescription drugs. Is it keeping social security? You run on a platform featuring social security. You make a list of the top issues, and those are the issues you run on. You also do market segmentation: District by district, you find out the most important issues, and those are the ones you talk about when you go to that district.

It does not work. Sometimes it can be useful, and, in fact, the Republicans use it in addition to their real practice. But their real practice, and the real reason for their success, is this: They say what they idealistically believe. They say it; they talk to their base using the frames of their base. Liberal and progressive candidates tend to follow their polls and decide that they have to become more "centrist" by moving to the right. The conservatives do not move at all to the left, and yet they win!

You see, for all the innovation in the Nordhaus/Shellenberger approach, Lakoff has already critiqued why it cannot work--unless it is integrated with his own approach, rather than opposed to it.  Why?  Because this integrated approach is what the GOP is really using to win.  Not just the lifestyle stuff in isolation.

Now let us be clear.  Neither Lakoff nor I are  saying that we can simply copy the GOP.  We have more to do than that.  We must learn from what they do that works, and then adapt it as appropriate to our own values and philosophy.  But we cannot move forward by taking one aspect out of context and regarding it as the silver bullet that will answer all our problems.  That is simply an illusion.  A very dangerous one.

Above all, we must realize that two factors underlying this approach have a natural GOP bias.

First, a focus on consumption favors the GOP, just as a focus on production favors the Democrats.  There's an old slogan: "You have to vote like a Democrat to live like a Republican." As consumerism has expanded continually over the past few generations, people have forgotten this.  But they forget it at their peril.  Defending Wal-Mart as a boon to the poor is a prime example of this, highlighting the low cost of consumer products, and ignoring the vast externalized costs, the public, social subsidies that make the low prices possible.  Consumerism doesn't have to favor the GOP. It just has a natural tendency to do so.

Second, this approach divides people into different factions. This is the essetial logic of wedge politics, which is the foundation of conservative success.  The first major move was to divide the working class by pitting whites against blacks--Nixon's "Southern Strategy." 

But the logic is all-encompassing.  Liberals say that we all have something in common, politically. We are, primarily, citizens, who share a common identity, a common responsibility, a common fate.  Our diversity is real and undeniable, but as citizens diversity exists to strengthen what we have in common, not to stand opposed to it. Conservatives claim to deplore diversity as weakening America's civic heritage, blah, blah, blah. But in reality, they do everything imagineable to fragment the electorate.  Trying to beat them at their own game is a sure recipe for failure, even if we do somehow win some elections with it in the short run.

We can adapt a lifestyle approach, provided we realize these and other limitations, and work to craft an integrated approach grounded in the understanding that Lakoff provides. But the two approaches can't be integrated when people like Franke-Ruta--full-time, Harvard-educated political junkies--haven't even bothered to read the titles of Lakoff's books, much less crack them open, and learn the lessons inside.

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I would posit that the republicans selectively use the "psycho-graphic model" to pry away market segments from their natural affinity to issues (which are the opposite of the republican's current agenda - whatever that is these days). With all their methodological sophistication (and, yes, the now control everything - it is all about getting and keeping power for them), an enabling and utterly superficial media, and unlimited monetary resources the republicans are barely keeping their heads above water. They lost the presidential popular vote in 2000. If I recall correctly, they've been behind in the total legislative vote since then. In an environment of fear (which Al Franken labeled "fears, smears, and queers") they barely managed to win the presidential vote in 2004. It must be terribly frustrating for the republicans. They've marketed themselves to oblivion and they just can't seem to put us away (witness their problems in 2005).

The republicans are lacking in substance and competence. The frightened little man wearing the tattered coat standing behind that curtain is starting to show.

 

by Michael Bersin 2006-01-22 06:15AM | 0 recs
GOP Weakness
This is a very crucial point.  While we are justifiably frustrated in being shut out of power, we rarely think of what it's like for the GOP.

They've been touting themselves as the new majority party since the 1970s; and yet, with everything they've got going for them--including the NYT and WP, along with almost everything else in the media--they are, as Michael puts it, "barely keeping their heads above water."

by Paul Rosenberg 2006-01-22 07:53AM | 0 recs
Rosenburg is correct
As an unapologetic, independent (I actually flirted with becoming a democrat earlier this year) I have to say Rosenberg is absolutely correct in this analysis.

As is George Lakoff, BTW. Both are on the right track.

Take Paul's first example: Environmental groups. Why DO they not take a heavy toll against the GOP, even as the GOP wages war against science (CF. Chris Mooney "The Republican War on Science" - it has a nice cover on it of an elephants ass in your face!)

For me, personally this is probably the best post Paul has ever written about this problem. He has a real group of people that have real , and financially relevant concerns that infiltrate both parties. For me, speaking personally, and in fair disclosure, one of the things that still attracts me to Al Gore is the fact that he has the nuts enough to speak out about these issues and is becoming a strong voice on the subject.

But we can't ignore that 80% of Americans, just as they opposed that travesty of politics - gay marriage - in equal and same proportion support Environmentalism.

So, The GOP used this same tactic that Paul is talking about - they identified that the majority of people think Gay marriage sucks ass, which is an identity issue.

In fact, just speaking in psychological terms, sex is 90% of identity.

So at any rate, here you have the democratic party in complete analysis paralysis because there are these total idiots in the party saying .. well, if we go center on the issue, and we support "civil unions" or something like that, we can play to this SIG and they'll give us money.

That was the genius of Karl Rove - he knew that first, Americans during wartime wouldn't stand up for people who drop the soap in the shower - its against their ability to identify themselves as warriors.

Then, he knew that the mega church - evangelicals would reinforce him, not take the full point , but instead act as a fellow traveller and bring people down the road.

In 2004, it all came down to about 50,000 people - America was so fed up with George Bush, that they were, for the first time, about to unseat a sitting president during wartime.

Lakoff is right.
Rosenberg is right.

Let liberalism be what it really is: a citizen of the world, of space and the 21st century and beyond.  A person who, like the fighting eagle - gladly shoulders his or her burden in wartime. Rosie the riveter.  A champion of real reform against corporations and pay for play - let the people take control. Fight against the silent backroom deals where senators are bought and sold.

Right now, my key issue that I am supporting is the Junior Senator from Arizona's bill to remove the ability of any congressman to attach a rider or spending amendment to any bill in the house, without having them stand up on the floor and announce that they are supporting that amendment.

This is a crucial move forward - what it says is, in effect, if you want to try to turn a bill into a 10,000 page unreadable monstrosity of pork, you will have to stand up and identify yourself.

Overnight, corruption and the process of lobbying would disappear. Nobody will stand up for ridiculous pork. Moveon is behind me on this one,
they're clearly opposed to such travesties as - if anyone recalls - Sen. John Cornyn's amendment to the Katrina relief bill that allowed Pennsyvlvania coal fired power plants to throw mercury into the air, waters and land.

What does environmental abuse have to do with helping Katrina victims.

This new bill would stop it.

And its being proposed by a republican. I say: let those who really believe in the fight, stand up and support him and to hell with Partisan politics.

Harry Truman once said - I don't give 'em hell, I tell 'em the truth, and they think its hell!

If the Democratic party actually stood up against special interests groups and the whole process of turning everything into a free for all - pork barrel politics - the mechanism of corruption would be removed and they could identify themselves with the people in control of government.

If the people don't care about gay marriage, then, or abortion, or whatever - and they want bread and butter issues - that would be the connection that they can make. Right now, corporations are in contrl of government.

That is why we are in Iraq. Americans pay 76% of the tax burden, corporations pay only 4%. The corporate special interests and lobbies wanted Karl Rove and Bush to pay for their expansion into the oil fields of the persian gulf. In fact, there is a damning map that shows Bush dividing up the oil fields just after the 2000 election, in the persian gulf between american oil companies.

And that is why Paul Rosenburg is right.

by turnerbroadcasting 2006-01-22 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Rosenburg is correct
I agree with most of what you've written here, with one exception:

Being in favor of gay marriage is the morally correct position, and the left should not let the right define it in terms of 'tradition and decency.'  Backing down on that issue because 80% of the populace opposes it is exactly the position that Paul is arguing against.

Instead, point out why it is just to support gay marriages--that the government should not have a role in saying who is allowed to love who, that it is not the government's role to tell churuches which marriages are valid and which are not.  Instead, the government is responsible for a variety of social rights that accompany marriage, and that the government should not whithhold these rights from anyone.  Don't talk about the issue on  their terms, talk about it in ours.

Personally, I'd like the Dems position to be that government sponsorship of all marriage, and that there be only civil unions.  But regardless, the point is that we don't back down, we don't give the right an inch on anything.  It's that all we do is stop speaking their language, and in conjunction with that, find our people and mobilize them.  Whether we do that using traditional geographic methods or whether it is done using marketing-style techniques matters not a whit to me.

by Valatan 2006-01-22 09:55AM | 0 recs
Of Course I Support Gay Marriage
And I think that the Democrats missed a golden opportunity in 2004.  There was tremendous fluidity that they simply failed to capitalize on.  Sure there was widespread knee-jerk opposition.  But there was also widespread support for civil unions as an intermediate position--one which, properly done, would give everything but the final symbolic state-sanctioned seal of approval.

This indicated the presence of a major "teachable moment," which is unfortunately all too rare in politics recently.  It had the potential to be about so much more than gay marriage itself--but to be about equality, about church-state relations, about tolerance and acceptance as liberal values vs. hypocrisy, fear and demonization as conservative values.  All these, and much, much more.

Now, however, the moment has passed. It's not so new anymore, and attitudes are more gelled. Progress is still being made, but not at the rapid pace it could have been made if Dems had not been so fear-paralyzed and in denial in 2004.

They did the same thing, in a way, with the Iraq War in 2002.  Rather than have the debate that America needed to have, they tried to duck it, and we ended up with the worst of everything.

So, anyone think we have to be super-vigilant for a variation-on-a-theme repeat in 2006?  I sure do.

by Paul Rosenberg 2006-01-22 03:12PM | 0 recs
I meant most of that as a reply to turnerbroadcast
sorry if I seemed to imply that you were anti-gay marriage.  And once again, a great insight.  This was one of the best framing posts that I've read in a long, long time.
by Valatan 2006-01-22 05:30PM | 0 recs
No, I Understood
Call me crazy, but I just felt like butting into a comment thread on my diary!
by Paul Rosenberg 2006-01-22 05:36PM | 0 recs
Just making sure I didn't offend
by Valatan 2006-01-22 07:06PM | 0 recs
Molly Ivins: Not. backing. Hillary.
Lifestyle This!

An excerpt from Molly Ivins, her latest:

Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone This is not a Dick Morris election. Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify her. Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo, not to mention that gross pandering on flag-burning, are just contemptible little dodges.

The recent death of Gene McCarthy reminded me of a lesson I spent a long, long time unlearning, so now I have to re-learn it. It's about political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for leadership. There are times when regular politics will not do, and this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of bull that only the truth can provide relief....

What kind of courage does it take, for mercy's sake? The majority of the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60 percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.

The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits tax. That is the center, you fools. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF?

How about the New Deal lifestyle?  You know, pasing programs that work for the common good, and dominating the political landscape for 50+ years?  

Again, it doesn't have to mean ignoring all this psycho-graphics stuff.  It just means, you don't ask them what to sell. You tell them what to sell, and ask their help in selling it.

by Paul Rosenberg 2006-01-22 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Molly Ivins
from Deborah at the moon's favors:
...Take a breath, Molly. All of us, count to 10. Hillary was the first to tell us all about the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Who listened? No one that could help save any of us from it. But I think Hillary learned a great lesson then. She learned their game. And now she's sitting in a place where she might just be able to beat them.

Should we condone obfuscation? Is that what I'm saying? No -- I'm saying that's not the point. Not now. We don't have such luxury. Rather -- we must sit back and wait. Anything, anyone who divides us from the few small bridges we have left to justice is simply in our way. We have to stop Alito, we have to bring them to trial, and we have to be a wall of unity to have a chance to do any of that.

The closer we get, the more dangerous they become....

by Michael Bersin 2006-01-22 09:44AM | 0 recs
What's the argument here?
A bit more context. She starts off linking to, and quoting from "Never Mind the Truth..." by Eric Alterman at The Nation. Alterman starts out:
The Alito hearings may not have revealed much about the new Supreme Court Associate Justice's constitutional views, but they did highlight the pro-Bush bias that continues to characterize most mainstream debate. CNN's Wolf Blitzer, as reliable a weather vane for conventional wisdom as can be found anywhere, continually skewed his coverage to reflect the Republican Party's talking points, announcing, "Some Democrats are delivering an early verdict on Alito's performance" without asking whether Republicans were doing the same....
And Deborah quotes from the marrow:
    Never Mind the Truth...
    [...] The punditocracy's ignore-except-to-attack attitude toward liberals is a far greater impediment to our ability to mount an alternative to the ruinous rule of George W. Bush than the attitudes of Americans themselves, who in poll after poll disagree with the President on almost all significant issues. Washington Post columnist Sebastian Mallaby gleefully announces that "attacking Bushonomics"--the policies of the party that controls the government and has abandoned even the pretense of fiscal responsibility--"is too easy, like shooting a lame duck." He prefers "to focus instead on Democrats' response. [...]"
Go. Read. Extrapolate.
And understand that as long as this group is in power, the truth will not be minded.
So far, so good. Even though it is rhetorically extreme. (We've just forced the Washington Post to mind the truth, kicking and screaming all the way.)

But, then, skipping down a smidgeon, we get this:

And now we have Molly Ivins saying "I will not support Hillary Clinton for president. Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation..." All to say that Hillary is not able to take a "clear stand". Yet -- taking a clear stand means letting yourself get picked off upfront, makes you a fish in their murderous barrel.

Take a breath, Molly. All of us, count to 10. Hillary was the first to tell us all about the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Who listened? No one that could help save any of us from it. But I think Hillary learned a great lesson then. She learned their game. And now she's sitting in a place where she might just be able to beat them.

This is wildly innacurate.  All sorts of people were telling us about the VRWC. Hillary adding her voice was regarded as a welcome sign that the Clinton Whitehouse was finally waking up.  Only it was a false signal. As soon as they spoke up, just that soon they shut back up again.

And how, exactly is Hillary in a better position now than she was when sitting inside the Whitehouse in the first place???

No, this is just more Hillary-centric historical revisionism.  More excuse-mongering for the triangulation crowd.

Sorry, but I've got to go for the rest of the afternoon.  But I will respond when I return.

However, I should point out that the details presented here should not distract us from the main point in my posting this--the huge majorities for liberal positions that constitute the real political center.

Hillary is clearly a center-right figure compared to this majority.

by Paul Rosenberg 2006-01-22 10:28AM | 0 recs
Re: What's the argument here?
No argument. Just discussion.

Let's all fight it out in the primaries - after that's over the Democratic nominee gets my vote.

by Michael Bersin 2006-01-22 10:34AM | 0 recs
The Arguement FOR Hillary, That Is
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply we were arguing.  Nor, just because you quoted it, did I t assume that you subscribed to it.

But I did want to clarify the context, which I think shows yet again that the case for Hillary depends on a very blinkered, very narrow view of recent history.  I think her vision would deepen the damage done to the party by her husband.

Of course she would be better than any Republican candidate. Who wouldn't be?

by Paul Rosenberg 2006-01-22 03:00PM | 0 recs
Knock it off Rosenberg!
Your goddamned diaries make my brain hurt! If I wanted to think I'd go read a stinking book or something! If I wanted a brain freeze I'd go chug a 32 oz. Slurpee! All this thinking is interfering with my self important rants! How do you expect me to rant and think at the same time?

Dammit Rosenberg! Are you Data's Dad or what? No more analytical diaries!

by Gary Boatwright 2006-01-22 09:18AM | 0 recs
This is the DLC Agenda
American Environics intended to use the detailed data its parent company had collected since 1992 for a different purpose, however: to challenge progressive interest-group orthodoxies and the progressive movement itself.

And this:
Shellenberger and Nordhaus are representative of an increasingly influential school of thought within the Democratic Party.

The Democratic leadership is intentionally targeting progressives and attacking them in a superficial attempt to out bullshit the GOP. This kind of crap is exactly why I continue to insist that the DLC has declared war on the Democratic Party.

by Gary Boatwright 2006-01-22 12:33PM | 0 recs
Lifestyles and values
One of the problems with the DLC-style values approach is that it seems to take the opponents segmentation for granted. Given that there are a great many local environmental / conservation groups, who has tried to weave together these values into broader identification and values voting?

Another problem with the "tack and weave" approach is that it doesn't take into account how identification is malleable. Liberalism became a dirty word because of decades of derision.

by alevin 2006-01-22 02:38PM | 0 recs
Good Points, All, But...
Even with the decades of derision, the effect is pretty much "limited" to the political classes. As Chris noted recently, self-identified liberalism is as high as it's ever been since the late 70s:
    Dem    Rep    Ind    Lib    Mod    Con
2005     36    30     22     20    42     34
2004     34    31     24     18    41     36
2003     33    28     24     18    40     33
2002     34    31     22     17    40     35
2001     36    31     22     19    40     36
2000     37    29     23     18    40     35
1995     36    31     28     16    40     40
1990     40    33     23     18    41     38
1985     39    30     26     17    41     37
1980     41    24     31     18    41     35
1979     41    22     31     20    39     35
1978     43    22     30     17    39     34
1977     48    21     25     17    42     30
by Paul Rosenberg 2006-01-22 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Good Points, All, But...
This table of Harris results is missing two relevant pieces of information needed to evaluate the results of longterm derision:
  • does the Harris survey include all adults or likely voters? Are identified liberals and conservatives more or less likely to vote?
  • out of self-identified "moderates", are their impressions of liberalism positive or negative?

One could test the hypothesis that self-defined moderates had a more negative opinion of liberalism in, say, 2003 than in 1978.
by alevin 2006-01-22 03:34PM | 0 recs
One Can Always Wish For More Data, But
we can't go back and tweak the polls of the past.  I think this data is sufficient to make the case.

Very few politicians will stand up and say they are liberals. More ordinary people will stand up and say they are liberals than any time since the late 70s.  That alone tells you there's a significant gap between real life and what you see on TV.

by Paul Rosenberg 2006-01-23 03:42AM | 0 recs
Explanation?
If the people doing the deriding are themselves very unpopular, the derision has a backward effect?
by Valatan 2006-01-22 05:33PM | 0 recs
Of course Rosenberg is correct.
As a faction of the Democratic party (the extreme faction as many like to call us) how do we do anything except vent frustration? Come to think of it, didn't we pretty much cash in on every vote we could get for Kerry?

We're stuck with trying to change the minds of the same tired old voters. I think that we simply need to increase voter turnout (as if that is easy to do) and decrease voter apathy. Texas has one of the lowest voter turnout rates in the country. Maybe that's the key to conservative victories.

If the frame compels voters to go to the polls for example, to prevent the death of unborn babies, it's a good thing. If the frame just makes the voter feel good about him or herself because the frame is morally grounded it won't make much of a difference, imo.

by misscee 2006-01-24 06:25AM | 0 recs

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