What's the Matter with Tim Ryan's Backyard

There are 490 female students at Timken High School, and 65 are pregnant

School officials are not sure what has contributed to so many pregnancies, but in response to them, the school is launching a three-prong educational program to address pregnancy, prevention and parenting.

The newspaper also reported that students will face mounting tensions created by unplanned child-rearing responsibilities, causing students to quit school and plan for a GED. This will make it difficult for the Canton City School District to shake its academic watch designation by the state.

According to the Canton Health Department, statistics through July show that 104 of the 586 babies born to Canton residents in Aultman Hospital and Mercy Medical Center had mothers between 11 and 19.

This is interesting because officials like Democrats for Life Tim Ryan who have made a career out of politicize abortion have not taken responsiblity for the havoc they have created in the state of Ohio.

Ohio Gets a Failing Grade

Each year NARAL Pro-Choice America publishes, Who Decides? A State-by-State Review of Abortion and Reproductive Rights. In this guide, the state of Ohio rated a grade of "F".

Some of the key factors contributing to this failing grade are:

  • 91% of Ohio counties have no abortion providers

  • Between 1992 and 1996, the number of abortion providers fell from 45 to only 37--an 18% decline

Women in Ohio face numerous barriers when exercising their right to an abortion, including:

  • A counseling ban

  • An "Informed Consent" 24 hour waiting period

  • Health insurance for state employees do not cover abortion except in medical emergencies or in the cases of rape and/or incest

  • Minors must receive parental consent before obtaining an abortion

  • Only physicians are permitted to perform abortions

  • Women eligible for medical assistance may not obtain public funds except in medical emergency or in the cases of rape and/or incest

"Who Decides? A State-by-State Report on the Status of Women's Reproductive Rights" shows that we are facing the most hostile political environment to women's reproductive liberty since Roe v. Wade. As a result of increased state restrictions and the first-ever federal ban on abortion procedures which was signed by President Bush, the nation's grade on reproductive freedom was reduced to its lowest ever, a "D."

Anti-choice lawmakers and judges are attacking the fundamental right to choose from every angle. State governments are intruding further than they have in years into women's private lives and decisions. We now have a patchwork of restrictions reminiscent of pre-Roe days. The surge of anti-choice activity at the state level highlights very real concerns about what could happen if the Supreme Court further guts the protections of Roe v. Wade thanks to new justices nominated by President Bush.

This report clearly documents the importance of NARAL Pro-Choice Ohio's mobilization to protect the right to choose, and reinforces the fact that Ohio's pro-choice majority must act immediately and powerfully to safeguard our liberty or lose it.

Tim Ryan is the man that the netroots want woment to "TRUST" to protect their reproductive rights.... I don't think so

Ohio is a harbinger of what's to come if people like Tim Ryan is elected to the Senate. There is no compassion here... ALMOST ONE FIFTH OF THE BIRTH IN CANTON OHIO ARE FROM 11 TO 19 YEAR OLD GIRLS

Not only do these girls face the onslaught of fundalmentalist wingnuts but now Democrats are aiding and abetting these fraudsters. Kerry and Hilliary joind forces with the number one wingnut Senator Sanatorum to "protect" phramacist from being booted out of a job for not wanting to prescribe birth control to jerks who use their political seats like pulpits to moralize on girls lives who they will never meet or care to...

School officials are not sure what has contributed to so many pregnancies

Perhaps it was this one woman wingnut who declared a "Morality War" on sex eduaction in Ohio.

Text Imagine classroom props such as Woodies (wooden penises), dental dams (for oral sex) and female condoms (for anal sex). Imagine teachers using these for hands-on practice for 6th to 12th graders.

Too outrageous to believe, I said.

I was wrong. It's in the pipeline for Ohio public schools. I believed it only after reading copies of grant documents and hand-outs from training sessions, and talking with a Hamilton County teacher who attended and described the Woodies and other things we can't print in a newspaper.

The Ohio Legislature squelched a radical sex education agenda for schools in the 1970s. But the sex educators are back with a vengance, underground this time, using behind-the-scenes regulatory power of the Ohio Department of Education and Department of Health, with public money from the federal Centers for Disease Control (CDC). For several years, they've been training selective teachers and others to implement a model that has not yet been approved or seen public light until this fall.

Last week, Gov. George Voinovich asked Ohio School Board President Jennifer Sheets for a "thorough review into the Department of Education's activity on the proposed model," and halt action until the review is done. He also asked the board to "justify constructing a model (sex ed) program when no such program is required (although permitted) by Ohio law."

(Bibliography of a Wingnut)

TIM RYAN CLEAN UP THE MESS IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD BEFORE YOU DARE LEGISLATE ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL!!!!

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The netroots...
The "netroots" is advocating for this guy?  
by NCDem 2005-08-25 08:31AM | 0 recs
Re: The netroots...
yup
by Parker 2005-08-25 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: The netroots...
who?
by NCDem 2005-08-25 08:35AM | 0 recs
Re: The netroots...
He is supported under the banner of "Anti-War" candidate ...or should I say "Military Pragmatist"
by Parker 2005-08-25 08:37AM | 0 recs
I do
He's a liberal on virtually every issue and is fine with Roe v Wade. He also has the best chance of actually winning this critical Senate seat.

RyanvDewine.com

by FDRDem 2005-08-25 11:18AM | 0 recs
Re: I do
He is doing far greated damage by eroding the basis for Roe...

This not just a political strategy... women and little girls lives are at stake... Ryan can use his own reproductive organs as a bargaining chip and leave women the hell alone.

What is really funny is that all the libruls were Shocked...Shocked I tell you ...that the Iraqi constitution was going to put women back hundreds of years...yet the same libruls are so willing to do the same to American women... must be genetic not logistic..

by Parker 2005-08-25 11:24AM | 0 recs
No they're not
We've got a couple of folks who keep pimping this dude and trying knock the NetRoots off Hackett.
by jcjcjc 2005-08-25 10:13AM | 0 recs
Extremely Unfair
Wow, this diary is way off-base in my opinion.

Tim Ryan IS pro-life, but he has stated that he would NOT vote for judges that would overturn Roe v. Wade. He is also co-sponsoring legislation to increase access to birth control and other methods to greatly reduce the number of abortions.

It is entirely wrong to blame what's going on in Ohio to him. He is excellent on economic issues, thinks abortion is morally wrong, and wants to greatly reduce the number of abortions. What is wrong with that?

This diary is an example of the type of thinking that will keep us in the minority for many more years. If the Democrats become the majority party in Congress, anti-choice bill will not even come to the floor for a vote!!

by Scoonie 2005-08-25 09:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Extremely Unfair
Governor Voinovich isn't governor of Ohio.  Bob Taft is governor and was elected in 1998.  Taft and Voinovich are republicans.  Voinovich is now in the U.S. Senate.
by Marie Smith 2005-08-25 09:58AM | 0 recs
Good point
I didn't catch that - Voinovich entered the Senate in 1998, meaning this story is at least 7 years old, 4 years before Ryan even entered the House. This is a hit piece, plain and simple.

RyanvDewine.com

by FDRDem 2005-08-25 11:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Extremely FAIR
Tim Ryan is a Democrats for Life "ALL STAR"

House of Representatives

1. H.R. 534 - Greenwood Substitute to the
Human Cloning Prohibition Act.
Roll Call #: 37 Date: February 27, 2003
Vote Result: 174-231
Pro-Life Position: No Vote
35 Democrats voted No

2. H.R. 534, the Human Cloning Prohibition
Act of 2003 - The legislation would prohibit
human cloning and cloning human embryos
that would be killed.
Roll Call #: 39 Date: February 27, 2003
Vote Result: 241-155
Pro-Life Position: Yes Vote
42 Democrats voted Yes

3. H.R. 1588, the National Defense Authorization
Act for Fiscal Year 2004 - Sanchez
Amendment - to allow the use of U.S. military
medical facilities for abortion.
Roll Call #: 215 Date: May 22, 2003
Vote Result: 201-227
Pro-Life Position: No Vote
30 Democrats voted No

4. H.R. 760, the Partial Birth Abortion Ban
Act-Final Passage on legislation to prohibit
partial birth abortions.
Roll Call #: 242 Date: June 4, 2003
Vote Result: 282-139
Pro-Life position: Yes Vote
62 Democrats voted Yes

5. H.R. 1997, the Unborn Victims of Violence
Act- The bill would protect the rights of
unborn children from assault and murder.
Roll Call # 31
February 26, 2004
Vote Result: 254-163
Pro-Life position - Yes Vote
47 Democrats voted Yes

Tim Ryan voted the prolife position on ALL of these bills. It is because of the UNFAIR anti-abortion bills pushed by backwards fundamentalists GOPers and Democrats aligning...these girls are caught in the crossfire of politicians and fundamentalist who want to control women PERIOD.

On one hand you have the anti-Choice Dems like Ryan enacting regressive anti-abortion legislation and on the other the fundamentalist who want abstinece only education and to deprive these girls of contraception.

This is what the anti-abortionist reaps 11 year olds having babie`s!!!!

TIM RYAN NEEDS TO CLEAN UP THIS MESS IN OHIO

by Parker 2005-08-25 10:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Extremely FAIR
I don't see how voting no on cloning bills causes pregnancies in Ohio. And support for the partial-birth abortion ban is pretty widespread and mainstream. In fact, none of these bills explain why it is all right to blame Tim Ryan's policies for every pregnancy in his district, much less blame Tim Ryan himself.
by JRyan 2005-08-25 10:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Extremely FAIR
These were just bills from last year.

He voted against women in the military paying for their own abortions in military hospitals abroad.

Another anti-abortion chicken coming home to roost

A Navy man's wife who had an abortion after her fetus was diagnosed as brain-damaged with no hope of survival, must repay the government $3,000 because federal law bars funding of such abortions in the military, a federal appeals court ruled Thursday.

The law, which pays for abortions only if the woman's life would be endangered by childbirth, does not violate the constitutional rights of military personnel or their spouses, said the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. The 3-0 ruling was sympathetic in its tone but certain in its conclusion.

"The foregoing discussion may seem at times callous and unfeeling," Judge Richard Tallman said. "We express our deepest sympathy for the families who must face this difficult ordeal."

This is the problem with folks Tim Ryan votes for this crap and he never sticks around to see the effect... he just looking for wingnut brownie points and votes.

by Parker 2005-08-25 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Extremely FAIR
That's a terrible story...but it doesn't have much to do with skewering Tim Ryan for pregnancies in his own backyard. I don't see how he can be looking for "wingnut brownie points and votes" if he represents a solidly democratic district, and doesn't really plan to run for senator.
by JRyan 2005-08-25 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Extremely FAIR
Tim Ryan has to take responsiblity for the damage he is causing girls and women...
by Parker 2005-08-25 10:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Extremely FAIR
Wait a minute. What you are saying is that every pro-life democrat is causing damage to girls and women when he/she votes his/her conscience on this legislation and pro-life fundamentalists take advantage of that and try on their own to restrict birth control. Are you suggesting that every pro-life democrat stop voting their consciences? Why precisely should they be responsible for the republicans problems if they opposed banning birth control in the first place?
by JRyan 2005-08-25 10:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Extremely FAIR
He voted against admending it to be more compassionate.

This bill that Tim Ryan is part of the anti-abortion coalition that refused to let military hospitals to give military women who have been raped the moring after pill...

Thank you, but no thanks...

by Parker 2005-08-25 10:34AM | 0 recs
I don't have a real problem with any of those
The vast majority of American don't support human cloning. I don't either.

I have no problem with the PBA ban. They happen next to never, anyway.

I don't see any real need to have abortions available on military bases.

I am on the fence about the Unborn Victims of Violence Act.

None of these would preclude me from supporting Tim Ryan.

by Scoonie 2005-08-25 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Extremely FAIR
Well, a-NARAL disagrees. They gave him a 35% approval rating, meaning they don't loath him nearly as much as you do.

B- As you note, he's in the House of Representatives. What exactly do you want him to do about the problems in Ohio? Go to his neighbors and say, is your daughter considering having an abortion? Please dont?

RyanvDewine.com

by FDRDem 2005-08-25 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Extremely Unfair
He is excellent on economic issues, thinks abortion is morally wrong, and wants to greatly reduce the number of abortions. What is wrong with that?

Shall we then criticise him for gross inepitude and incompetence or are 11 year olds being forced to carry to term a natural consequence of the DLF's policies? Because some of us think of that as institutionalized child abuse.
Perhaps Rep Ryan would be more effective in his if he examined the AOC laws and enforcement of them in his district. Or would that be too politically unpopular?
Oh, and with birth stats as grotesque as that it's near impossible to argue for his being great on economic issues or, for that matter, a moral social policy.

by colleen 2005-08-26 09:57AM | 0 recs
Canton, Ohio, Stark county
Unless Tim Ryan made them all pregnant, he is not responsible.  Stark County has an unemployment rate of 5.8% for the month of July 2005.  Those of us who live in Ohio are dealing with corruption of great magnitude.  Our Bureau of Workers' Compensation Dept. invested funds designated for injured workers in rare coins, baseball cards, and beanie babies.  Our governor was convicted of ethics charges.  Roads get built by companies that contribute to the GOP (this is a pay to play state=you give the GOP money, you get a contract).  State funding to public schools have been cut.  State funding for healthcare, the elderly, and after school programs have been cut.  Financial aid to state colleges has been cut.  Our legislature, although directed by our state supreme court, cannot work out an equitable school funding system.  The GOP controls the governor's office, the major offices, and the state legislature and the shit has hit the fan.  This is not Tim Ryan's fault.  This manure in Ohio's government is due to the corruption of the Ohio GOP.  Thank you.  Go bark at someone else.
http://stubbornliberal.blogspot.com
by Marie Smith 2005-08-25 09:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Canton, Ohio, Stark county
These are the anti-abortionist fundamentalists chickens coming hoem to roost.

This is what Tim Ryan soed now he must clean it up before he advocates more of the same nationally. It is TOTALLY irresponsible to advocate and legislate the way he does in a climate of wacko fundamentalism...

Tin Ryan is a politician reaping the benefit of politicism women's reproductive rights... now he better clean it up.

by Parker 2005-08-25 10:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Canton, Ohio, Stark county
And that is why there is a mess going on in Tim Ryans back yard ... take a look at what Tim Ryan's anti-abotion gang is serving up in Ohio

ABORTION BANS THROUGHOUT PREGNANCY
Bill Number:  OH H 228  
Summary:  Prohibits abortion throughout all stages of pregnancy without exception. Prohibits state funds from being used to pay for insurance coverage of abortions.  
 Sponsor:  Brinkman (R)  
 Introduced:  04/28/2005  
 Last Action:  Introduced  

ABSTINENCE-ONLY
Bill Number:  OH S 66  
Summary:  Prohibits organizations receiving state funds from counseling or referring women for abortion services except in cases of medical emergency. Appropriates funds for abstinence-only education.  
 Sponsor:  Schuring (R)  
 Introduced:  04/02/2003  
 Last Action:  To Governor  
 Last Action Date:  02/01/2005  

COUNSELING BAN/GAG RULE
  Bill Number:  OH S 66  
 Summary:  Prohibits organizations receiving state funds from counseling or referring women for abortion services except in cases of medical emergency. Appropriates funds for abstinence-only education.  
 Sponsor:  Schuring (R)  
 Introduced:  04/02/2003  
 Last Action:  To Governor  
 Last Action Date:  02/01/2005  

INSURANCE PROHIBITION FOR ABORTION
  Bill Number:  OH H 228  
 Summary:  Prohibits abortion throughout all stages of pregnancy without exception. Prohibits state funds from being used to pay for insurance coverage of abortions.  
 Sponsor:  Brinkman (R)  
 Introduced:  04/28/2005  
 Last Action:  Introduced  

  Bill Number:  OH H 239  
 Summary:  Prohibits insurance coverage of abortion for government employees Requires separate policies be purchased for insurance coverage of abortion Restricts low-income women's access to abortion except in cases of life endangerment and in limited cases of rape, or incest. Prohibits use of public employees and public facilities for abortion services.  
 Sponsor:  Schneider (R)  
 Introduced:  05/04/2005  
 Last Action:  Introduced  

PUBLIC FACILITIES AND EMPLOYEES RESTRICTION
  Bill Number:  OH H 239  
 Summary:  Prohibits insurance coverage of abortion for government employees Requires separate policies be purchased for insurance coverage of abortion Restricts low-income women's access to abortion except in cases of life endangerment and in limited cases of rape, or incest. Prohibits use of public employees and public facilities for abortion services.  
 Sponsor:  Schneider (R)  
 Introduced:  05/04/2005  
 Last Action:  Introduced  

RESTRICTIONS ON LOW-INCOME WOMEN'S ACCESS TO ABORTION
  Bill Number:  OH H 239  
 Summary:  Prohibits insurance coverage of abortion for government employees Requires separate policies be purchased for insurance coverage of abortion Restricts low-income women's access to abortion except in cases of life endangerment and in limited cases of rape, or incest. Prohibits use of public employees and public facilities for abortion services.  
 Sponsor:  Schneider (R)  
 Introduced:  05/04/2005  
 Last Action:  Introduced  

Now tell me that Tim Ryan is not responsible for the pregnant 11 years olds...

by Parker 2005-08-25 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Canton, Ohio, Stark county
Wait, so because Republicans sponsor bills in Ohio, then Tim Ryan is responsible for this from the Us House of Representatives? Please explain your logic
by FDRDem 2005-08-25 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Canton, Ohio, Stark county
Tim Ryan is part and parcel of the whole anti-abortion league.

He must be aware of what is happening in his own back yard and if so he is either the biggest chauvanist on earth or an idiot...

He is aware of the wingnuts stance against sey ed and contraception yet he advocated CPCs and anti-abortion legislation.

He is directly responsible for the 11 year old pregancies because of his irresponsible legislation and alliances with wingnuts.

by Parker 2005-08-25 11:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Canton, Ohio, Stark county
You know, I would refute each and every one of your points except there are more important things for me to do, like help Mike Dewine find a new job outside of the US Senate.

The only thing I will do is ask, has evolution sped up recently, or am I right in assuming that not THAT many 11 year olds around Tim Ryan's house are pregnant?

RyanvDewine.com

by FDRDem 2005-08-25 11:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Canton, Ohio, Stark county
He is a member of Democrats for Life Ohio which are trying to enforces these backwards laws

  • ABSTINENCE-ONLY
  • RESTRICTIONS ON LOW-INCOME WOMEN'S ACCESS TO ABORTION

Now if that is not a recipe for pregnant 11 year olds I don't know what is...and in a couple of weeks he is going to introduce Democrats for Life legislation that want to federally fund CPCs which are nothing but anti-abortion scamers who pressure girls into keeping their babies.
by Parker 2005-08-25 11:43AM | 0 recs
Do you like John Dingell?
How about Patrick Kennedy? How about Stephanie Tubbs Jones? How about Charlie Rangel?

They're all liberals. They're all Democrats. They're also all more conservative than Tim Ryan on economic issues http://vote-smart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_id=003484M&sort=rating

Do you like Nancy Pelosi? Jane Harman? How about Robert Menendez? They're also liberal Democrats. But not as liberal as Tim Ryan on foreign policy. http://vote-smart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_id=003487M&sort=rating

Do you like Stephanie Herseth? How about Mike Ross? How about Max Baucus? They're also all more conservative than Tim Ryan on SOCIAL ISSUES. http://vote-smart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_id=003487M&sort=rating

So, if you want to, you work against Tim Ryan. Me, I'll work against Mike Dewine. Come and join me when you see what DeWine voted on Janice Rogers Brown

RyanvDewine.com

by FDRDem 2005-08-25 11:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Do you like John Dingell?
Look in Ryan's backyard... I do not want him to bring the same mess to the Senate...

Ryan also has a choice... he choses to legislate against women... Ryan choses to enact bills that directly HURT women...
I chose not to support such a person

by Parker 2005-08-25 11:54AM | 0 recs
Troll
It's Tim Ryan's fault for teen pregnancies?  You can blame Bush for not teaching safe sex in his NCLB.
by jkfp2004 2005-08-25 10:05AM | 0 recs
For once, Parker, you're dead-on
The problem isn't that Ryan is anti-abortion.  That's a right perfectly any politician has -- with one clear qualifier.

You cannot be anti-abortion AND in league with the morality police types who tell kids not to use birth control.

At that point, you're not really anti-abortion, you're just pro-teen pregnancy!!

by jcjcjc 2005-08-25 10:16AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
Tim Ryan supports wider access to birth control!

He is no fundamentalist nut! He's similar to Harry Reid in his abortion views.

by Scoonie 2005-08-25 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
He also supports CPCs and will introduce a bill to federally fund these scam artist.
by Parker 2005-08-25 10:26AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
If we become the majority party in Congress, the topic will never even be voted on!!! Why is that so hard to understand?

Tim Ryan and Paul Hackett are really our only changes to beat DeWine, and Hackett may be in over his head in a huge statewide race for Senate.

Of course, if you're happy being the minority party, then we should deny Tim Ryan the chance to run.

by Scoonie 2005-08-25 10:32AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
That dog don't bite...

If we become the majority party in Congress, the topic will never even be voted on!!! Why is that so hard to understand?

Beacuse it is a lie

We are very pleased to present this unique scorecard that focuses on the voting history of Democrats only. Many people have the misconception that the Republican Party has a stronghold on pro-life issues. Yet, by our count, there are pro-abortion Republicans who counter the Pro-Life Democrats in the House.

Therefore, only through bipartisan cooperation  can we advance life issues. Not one piece of Pro-Life legislation could pass the House of  Representatives without backing from Pro-Life Democrats.

On any given pro-life vote, we have a number of Democrats who resist pressure from party leaders and lobbyists and vote their conscience in supporting pro-life legislation. These Democrats understand that the battle for Life transcends partisan politics. These Members should be commended and supported for their votes and views.

It is critically important to support Pro-Life Democrats already in office, as well as those running for elective office, to ensure that the Congress continues to pass important and lifesaving legislation.

...

Sincerely,
Kristen Day
Executive Director
DFLA

Tim Ryan and his cohorts (the Republicans) have been chipping away at reproductive rights... this is why you see the catastrophe in his own back yard... Ohio is EXACTLY what Tim Ryan wants... it has an F rating from NARAL and who is being punished ... little girls.

Tim Ryan needs to pick on some one his own size and stop picking on the girls..

by Parker 2005-08-25 10:43AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
The majority party controls what bills come to the floor. If the Democrats are in the majority, anti-choice bills will not even be brought up for a vote.
by Scoonie 2005-08-25 10:47AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
Anti-abortion Democrats DO and WILL vote for anti-abortion measures...not matter if we are in power or not... that is why we can not "Trust Them" with our reproductive rights... and to be honest they never said that they will... I don't know who is floating the meme that anti-abortion Democrats will some how protect choice...
by Parker 2005-08-25 10:54AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
Ok - don't trust Harry Reid. The NRSC is currently having a fundraiser to beat him. Are you gonna donate? And he's even in the leadership! Imagine what would happen if the Democrats win! Then he could set the agenda to destroy everything we like. Support Parker and donate to the NRSC

RyanvDewine.com

by FDRDem 2005-08-25 11:23AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
Stop with the "Your uterus or the party crap"

I'll make a deal with you ... you cut off your penis for the good of the party and then I'll donate my uterus...

by Parker 2005-08-25 11:45AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
Um, what? OK, I'm wildly pro-choice, but the fact of the matter is, Tim Ryan is fine with Roe v Wade - to subject him to the vitriol that you so enjoy is beyond the pale
by FDRDem 2005-08-25 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
Gee he is fine with Roe...yet he just helps pass millions of bills that restrict and limit womens choices...

Do you really think that women are so stupid...

Anti-abortionist like Ryan never wanted to outlaw Roe... it is their biggest fundraiser...instead they legislate against Roe with 1000 paper cuts...so that in the end no one can point the finger at Ryan and say that he ended abortion.

That is why I think anti-abortionists are such fraudsters.

by Parker 2005-08-25 11:58AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
Damn it, a lot of people who are pro-life are pro-life out of principle! You need to understand that some people who vote pro-life aren't doing it out of some malicious attempt to put women into poverty and slavery. Some republicans may think this way, but pro-life democrats vote the way they do because they HONESTLY believe that abortion takes a life. If you never acknowledge people's sincere beliefs (even when you (rightly) believe they are wrong) and instead attack them, you only preach to the choir while pissing off people who might have listened.
by JRyan 2005-08-25 12:38PM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
You are drawing way to much from one small article. It is not clear from that article whether those girls were going to all have abortions if they were able to. It isn't clear, but I'm sure that at least some want to have their babies. Moreover, saying that Tim Ryan is picking on them, or that they are being punished because of someone else isn't really true. Unless there was rape or coercion (which is extremely possible), these girls made their own decisions.
by JRyan 2005-08-25 10:52AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
Tim Ryan is politicizing abortion and women's reproductive rights for his own political gain...

Tim Ryan won... now there are 11 year olds who are NOT having abortions... I hope he is pleased with himself.

by Parker 2005-08-25 10:56AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
What political gain? He is in a solid democratic district and he doesn't really want to run statewide. And of course nobody's happy that 11 year olds are pregnant.
by JRyan 2005-08-25 11:01AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
Funding and recognition from wingnuts
by Parker 2005-08-25 11:04AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
What the hell is their recognition going to do for him? And even without their funds, he would be a COMPLETE lock for his seat.
by JRyan 2005-08-25 11:14AM | 0 recs
language
 "there are pro-abortion Republicans who counter the Pro-Life Democrats in the House."

As far as I'm concerned, any organization that calls pro-choice citizens "pro-abortion" can go to hell.  And no "all star" of said organization gets my vote (hear that Stephen Lynch).

BTW, far too many people on this thread are using the term "pro-life" to refer to anti-choice pols.  Please stop adopting their language!

Women die when choice is taken away.  There is nothing pro-life about being anti-choice.

by bellarose 2005-08-25 01:06PM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
I don't get it, how is he in league with the "morality police types"?
by JRyan 2005-08-25 10:21AM | 0 recs
Re: For once, Parker, you're dead-on
thank you!!!

The anti-abortion klan go hand in hand with the sexually oppressed winguts who are now targetting contraception and sex ed.

This is Tim Ryan fault... he can not legislate anti-abortion and turn a blind eye to the fundamentalist... who also support him... this is what you get... a boat load of pregnant 11 year olds.

 

by Parker 2005-08-25 10:23AM | 0 recs
Geographic nit to pick
Tim Ryan doesn't represent Canton. Ryan represents Youngstown. Canton is represented by Ralph Regula (R), who's probably the first guy we should be pointing fingers at around here. (Our friend Jeff Seemann ran against Regula in 2004, and hopefully will challenge him again.)

Anyway, that certainly doesn't take away from the central point of your diary, and I'm in partial agreement with you, in that Ryan's anti-choice line makes him kind of a questionable choice for the Senate candidate, especially when we have a proven fighter like Paul Hackett on-deck. But Ryan is loudly anti-war and pro-labor, so he's OK in my book.

by Crazy Vaclav 2005-08-25 11:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Geographic nit to pick
he's OK in my book

Then you should pick up the pieces of these little girls... he is responsible to shattering their lives...

by Parker 2005-08-25 11:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Geographic nit to pick
Don't get me wrong; it's a big black mark on his record, as far as I'm concerned. But teen pregnancy doesn't happen in a vacuum; there's an economic component to it. If you live in a city like Canton where all the manufacturing jobs pretty much up and vanished overseas in the last decade, the choices for teenage girls amount to teen pregnancy, Wal-Mart, or joining the army to become cannon fodder in Iraq. We can at least count on Tim Ryan to support steps to expand horizons for teenaged girls (good union jobs, access to higher education, etc.) so they have something meaningful beyond teen pregnancy to aspire towards. We sure can't say that about Ralph Regula.
by Crazy Vaclav 2005-08-25 11:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Geographic nit to pick
there's an economic component to it

Yes there is...anti-abortion groups actually target poor women and young girls.

Read the post I have above

Tim Ryan is aware of these laws that are on the table

  • ABSTINENCE-ONLY
  • RESTRICTIONS ON LOW-INCOME WOMEN'S ACCESS TO ABORTION

So how in the world can he say he is being compassionate and responsible.
by Parker 2005-08-25 11:38AM | 0 recs
Speak of the devil...
Turns out Jeff Seemann saw the same news article, and he just diaried the subject over at Kos.

One interesting, and damning, detail that he points out that makes a great addition to Parker's diary: Timken High was using ABSTINENCE-ONLY SEX ED!

We can argue all day about Tim Ryan, but I think we're all in agreement here that "abstinence-only" sex ed is the shortest (and dumbest) possible route to pregnant teenagers.

by Crazy Vaclav 2005-08-25 02:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Speak of the devil...
OH BOY...

But that still does not take Tim Ryan off the hook because these anti-abortion politician form alliances with the wingnuts... and this is the trade off...they get that anti-abortion legislation and the wingnuts get to play God.

by Parker 2005-08-26 12:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Speak of the devil...
Yes, it does take him off the hook....

Because Canton, Ohio is NOT in Tim Ryan's backyard.  Ralph Regula represents Ohio's 16th District, not Ryan.

by Jeff Seemann For Congress 2005-08-26 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Question
What amazes me is how people like Tim Ryan crow about passing these legislations without ONE THOUGHT of how it effects women.

This is his backyard and it is UGLY...

This is the world that Tim Ryan wants... no abortion CPCs that intimidate girls into keeping the baby. Democrats for Life make no bones about being in league with the Republicans. Anti-choice Dems ARE in league with wingnuts who are against contraception and sex ed...

TIM RYAN CLEAN UP YOUR BACK YARD

by Parker 2005-08-25 11:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Backlash
Clear to me...

Ryan is the epitome of the "New" Democrat: Anti-abortion and a War Pramatist

by Parker 2005-08-25 12:06PM | 0 recs
Hatchet Job
Now, I understand that choice is a huge issue, and I agree that I'd rather have a pro choice candidate than a pro-coat hanger one... but when you use what's happening in a Repug district to taint Tim Ryan, it smells like a hatchet job.  I mean, there are legitimate problems you can bring up about Tim Ryan and his record, yet the attacks are based on what's happening in someone else's district.  

I think there are a lot of people who would like to see Paul Hackett run for the Senate, and they will do whatever is necessary to make it happen.  I hope that this attack isn't motivated by that.  Since my personal choice was Sherrod Brown, I'm more than willing to support whatever candidate emerges in Ohio.  But if we are resorting to these depths to smear someone, I get concerned that we don't have our eyes on the ball.  CONTEST EVERY SEAT, CHALLENGE EVERY REPUBLICAN, WIN EVERY RACE POSSIBLE.

by Un Chein Andalusia 2005-08-26 06:40AM | 0 recs
Tim Ryan needs to clean up his act
Tim Ryan (and every anti-abortion Democrat) is DIRECTLY responsible for this debacle in Ohio. He can not walk away from his voting record or the alliances that the anti-abortion Democrats have made with the fundamentalist wackjobs who rail against ses education and contraception...theirs is an alliance that destroys little girls
by Parker 2005-08-26 06:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Hatchet Job
Yes, I forgot, if you disagree with a rational comment you disagree with, you troll-rate it.  My bad.
by Un Chein Andalusia 2005-08-26 08:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Hatchet Job
I do not see why you feel the need to make personal attacks.  I did not attack you, I only made an argument that to attack someone for something outside of their district is, in this case, grossly unfair.  Do you make the same argument about Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, who has been in congress representing another Ohio district and is also anti-choice?  How about Dennis Kucinich, who only converted to the pro-choice side before his presidential run?  

It seems unfair that you want to pin this all on Tim Ryan.  If you want Hackett, or any pro-choice candidate, argue for them.  If you don't like Tim Ryan, make a fair attack against him.  I'll even start... he's too young, he has ties to corruption through Jim Traficant, his voting record on choice is horrible, etc.  There are fair attacks, and there are hatchet jobs, and in my opinion, this was a hatchet job.  

by Un Chein Andalusia 2005-08-26 10:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Hatchet Job
I believe she is as you say "pinning all this on Ryan" because there are some in the blogosphere that have decided to anoint Tim Ryan as the democratic candidate for the DeWine's senate seat without being accurately informed about his views on the issues.  

With respect this women's reproductive rights, there are certainly a large amount of people that will not support a candidate that is anti-choice.  I'm quite sure that Parker would be lambasting others in the <strike>Democrats for Life</strike> Democrats for Control of Women's Lives All Star club if they were trying to take their political careers to the next level.

by The Ticked Off Ohioan 2005-08-26 10:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Hatchet Job
That being said, and well argued by the way, I'd be (and I'm sure others would be as well) much more inclined to listen to arguments that are based on Ryan and his district.  If this had been a diary about Tim Ryan's bad voting record on choice, I would not be complaining.  I'm not defending him for being anti-choice; I'm not defending him in any way.  I am saying that we can have a conversation on Tim Ryan and his negatives without blaming him for the pregnancy problem in a neighboring district.  
by Un Chein Andalusia 2005-08-26 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Hatchet Job
How about this is: it's not all of Ryan fault, but he is contributing to the problem because the of way he has voted on women's reproductive rights during his political career.  Do you think that's fair to say?
by The Ticked Off Ohioan 2005-08-26 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Hatchet Job
Yes, eminently fair and reasonable.  I have not been, and will not be, a watercarrier for Ryan.  I do want to see a fair and reasonable discussion, where you can disagree GASP without being troll-rated.  Is that fair?
by Un Chein Andalusia 2005-08-26 11:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Hatchet Job
You got it; I think we've been doing just that :o)
by The Ticked Off Ohioan 2005-08-26 11:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Hatchet Job
Right, amazing how it works... we should send a memo to some of our fellow commenters ;-)
by Un Chein Andalusia 2005-08-26 11:19AM | 0 recs
Pregnancy, Intelligent Design and Evolution
This is what happens when a lot of girls get pregnant in school, like the one in the battleground state of Ohio


"HIGH PREGNANCY RATE IN HIGH SCHOOL SPUURS DEBATE ABOUT INTELLIGENT DESIGN AND EVOLUTION"

by dtlc 2005-08-27 09:50AM | 0 recs

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