I endorse Obama

While I am not a big fan of Senator Obama and have serious reservations about him, he is by far the lesser of two evils. He will be getting my vote come November, and I encourage other Clinton supporters that are dragging their feet to reexamine their thinking.

My decision was based in large part on McCain's selection of Sarah Palin as his running mate. To quote Hillary: No way, no how, no McCain and Palin.

Democrats that actively support McCain over what happened during the primaries (the process should be reformed) should put their grievances aside and be pragmatic. McCain/Palin will be damaging to this country.

They have also damaged Hillary. I believe that the persistence of the PUMA movement has harmed Hillary's efforts to pay off her campaign debt. And anyone that knows me knows in RL understands that I am dedicated to her (and probably saw me on Monday). PUMA is a fringe movement now, after the convention.

I want Hillary Clinton to be President, and still maintain that she is by far the better candidate. Obama does not inspire much confidence in me, but I believe that he could grow into the role and help advance our agenda. McCain is inflexible and holds fast to moral certitudes.

Republican policies are poisonous, and Hillary's work in the Senate will be for nothing with McCain in the White house. More importantly, Palin could very well become the new fresh face of conservatism. That scenario cannot be allowed to play out.

We need to change the direction of this country, but that does not mean that we will be able to boil the ocean all at once.

Obama will not be able to deliver on most of his promises - the country is in a bind and cannot afford everything. Also, I am dismayed that Obama has not been talking about universal health care at all, and has reversed himself on key issues like Don't Ask Don't Tell, reproductive rights, and FISA.

But it's better to have him and a collaborative Congress -- with Hillary in a strong leadership position -- than four more years of neglect and bad polices. We'll at least be able to accomplish some of what we want to.

As an aside, the primary changed my opinion of the netroots and the far left of the Democratic party. People like Keith Olbermann are no better than Bill O'Reilly, and anyone that believed that Obama was the second coming and Hillary was evil needs a reality check followed by a swift kick in the ass.

In fact, I will not forgive or forget how Hillary supporters were treated. Obama supporters crossed the line by engaging in OBSESSIVE cyber-stalking, harassment, slandering Clinton supporters as racists, and attempting to obtain real life information about us and then bragging about it (you know who you are). Daily Kos was a crucible of hatred, and Kos himself was complicit in it, lacking any credibility as a political analyst.

I'm voting how I believe I should, but feel absolutely zero unity with the radical elements of this party.

Tags: Barack Obama, Election 2008, John McCain, PUMA (all tags)



Re: I endorse Obama

Well, thank you for thinking it through.  I won't argue with you about which group was worse during the primaries, but maybe we can sort that out later.

by Drummond 2008-09-25 10:24AM | 0 recs

I can't handle any more primary wars.

by atdleft 2008-09-25 11:03AM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

Can I take some credit for this endorsement? I've been working this boy over in AIM ever since Hill's speech at the convention!! :)

Glad you made the jump. I think the events of the past 24 hours had something to do with it too from what we've talked about.

I know owl in RL. This wasn't easy for him at all. So really guys, this is a big step. If we can convert this guy, we can for anybody. Owl is stubborn as a mule, and I say that with lots of love <3

by Philly Ed 2008-09-25 06:49PM | 0 recs
we need the stubborn ones too!

thanks for showing him some consideration. I'm the flames blazing sort of gal, but I hold much admiration for those who can persuade.

Here's to stopping WW3!

by Blog Surrogate 57 2008-09-26 03:43AM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

whatever whore. ;-) (Ed will get it - we lived together).

by owl06 2008-09-30 09:50AM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

Pull the handle for D, and spend the rest of your energy to fix what you think is wrong with the party.

USSC judges Ginsburg and Steven's deserve your vote.

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-25 10:44AM | 0 recs

That may be one of my (if not THE) top reasons why I'm not only voting for Obama, but also giving my $$$$ and my time. I don't want to see another rightward shift of the courts that cause irreparable harm.

by atdleft 2008-09-25 11:05AM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

Good Owl.  You're doing the right thing.  I know it wasn't easy.  I know it because I've been forced by conscience to do the same.

by Tolstoy 2008-09-25 11:09AM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

Hey owl06.  Nice to see you posting.  Every election has its fair share of nose-holders, but you're right that we can't possibly afford to let the Palin/McCain ticket win.  We would go so far backwards.

by Steve M 2008-09-25 11:25AM | 0 recs
No, we can't afford that...

If life under Bush is bad, it would only get worse under McBush-Failin'. I can't risk that, and I'm so glad that The Owl has joined us. :-)

by atdleft 2008-09-25 03:40PM | 0 recs
That is good news.

We Democrats have so much in common. We're family and I hate it when we bicker. I seriously doubt any of us could feel comfortable with an (R) label.  We'd have to be friends with freepers...the horror!  ;)

by GFORD 2008-09-25 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

Recommended, even though I disagree with the last part of your diary.  But I am not one to refuse an olive branch.  Thank you for understanding what we've been trying to make clear for a long time: no matter how bad the primary got, in the end, a Democratic president is ALWAYS better than a Republican president.

Also, we all have our concerns with Obama, even his most fervent supporters from the start, such as myself.  We will all have to hold him accountable once he is elected, and not allow his presidency to be marked by one concession after another to the dwindling Republican minority in Congress.  I think he will do a good job, but all politicians make mistakes from time to time, and with us helping the idea is to make those mistakes  few and far between.

But that's all for naught if Palin/McCain becomes president!

by Skaje 2008-09-25 11:55AM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

Owl, I agree with almost everything you said.  My turning point was with Palin, and though I still resent how Hillary and her supporters were treated in this election, and on the blogs, I have to keep in mind who is more likely to bring down the country, and that would be Palin/McCain.  Looking at Bush last night, I could take not one single word he said as truth.  Not a single word.  The whole republican party and some of the Democratic party has brought us to this point of thinking our leaders are total liars.  Even worse, the republicans have ruined peoples lives with their ideology, their horrible economic beliefs of deregulation and greed, and their continued efforts to put the country back decades on social issues.  I will vote for Obama with the hope that the overall ideology he brings in with him will put us at least a couple of steps closer to  my values, and dreams and make them slightly more   possible.  I am voting for the ideology, not the candidate this year, and still believe Hillary would have made one hell of a great president.  

by Scotch 2008-09-25 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

I was also a big Clinton supporter, but seeing the huge differene where Clinton stands on the issues vs. Palin, Obama is getting my vote.  Anyone who supported Hillary should be able to see this huge differene unless you are "Texas Darlin".  All you Obama supporters were right about TD.  She is not a real Hillary supporter or democrat.

by mcctx 2008-09-25 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

I won't speculate.  I think many people have been intensely personally involved in this election more than in some, and seem to me to be working out their frustrations in strange ways.  But it was a long road to get where we have all gotten, and who can say at this point who has  reached the best place in the right way.  I would like for some others to be different than they are in their beliefs, but am going to try not to them when I am very confused myself in what I should do. I would rather just stick to my own beliefs and move past the ones I don't agree with without much aggravation.  It probably won't work, but I'll try.

by Scotch 2008-09-25 01:38PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

You don't have to speculate:

September 24, 2008 by texasdarlin

John McCain put his campaign on hold today, and called on Barack Obama to join him in Washington, DC in a bi-partisan effort to address the country's economic crisis. McCain also proposed re-scheduling Friday's debate and suspending campaign commercials.

Barack Obama responded by a) attempting to take credit for McCain's idea, b) attempting to take credit for McCain's economic proposals, c) accusing McCain of playing political tricks, d) refusing to cancel Friday's debate, and e) essentially telling America: I'm going to keep campaigning and I'm not going to Washington to address the financial crisis. Call me if you need me!

by venician 2008-09-25 03:28PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

i think you miss the point.  You can't bully anyone or shame them with your arguments.  And you sure ought not diss those who are voting for him but don't think he's the cat's meow. There are forty days, end the hate and maybe some others will make the choice both you and I want them to.  I can't imagine four years of John and Sarah, George has been lethal and embarrassing enough for two lifetimes.  but just preening on how 'right' you feel you are, is keeping the hate alive and it's not favor to Barack.  

by anna shane 2008-09-25 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

They have also damaged Hillary. I believe that the persistence of the PUMA movement has harmed Hillary's efforts to pay off her campaign debt. And anyone that knows me knows in RL understands that I am dedicated to her (and probably saw me on Monday). PUMA is a fringe movement now, after the convention.

Are you going to call owl a troll?

I know you won't answer and will go on one of your longwinded "I"m a victim kiss my ass" posts but I'd like to know how big a hypocrite you are.

We read what you write about the nominee over at Alegre's.

catfish got exposed and left for trying to be a harcore feminist on MyDD while handing out mojo to your buddies for calling Michelle a bi**h.

Don't try to be cute here.

by spacemanspiff 2008-09-25 04:28PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

fuckin' A!

by fogiv 2008-09-25 04:45PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

Here here! Anna has been one of the biggest hypocrites here.

by venician 2008-09-26 08:49AM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

I doubt that many more than one person on AC called Michele a bitch and received major mojo for it. They are pretty protective of women, any women, against sexist comments.  In fact anna has been one of the ones showing the most support for Barrack, there.  What she says here is making a lot of sense to me.

by Scotch 2008-09-25 04:46PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

I think it happened, once, and the person got called out over it. We blog positive about Michele, she's like Hillary when Bill was running, she's a working mom.  I've never blogged any hate against Barack, mostly I try to advise him.  I was voting for him from the time she suspended, but now I'm scared, the joke about the pugs, he can't remember and she never knew, rings true to me.  

by anna shane 2008-09-25 04:59PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

In reference to Michelle-

"There's a Word for Folks Like Her  (4.00 / 4)
And it rhymes with witch (hi cheetos!)." - from Alegre herself

I truly respect your willingness to post positively about Obama over at that site, but calling Michelle a bitch (or implying it, at least) isn't as frowned upon as you imply.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-09-25 05:23PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

that was the once, and she was sorry.  It isn't acceptable, and Michele is a clearly nice woman and a great mom.  

by anna shane 2008-09-25 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

"I'm sorry ladies but I have to say it  (2.00 / 4)
The Witch is coming up.

She wants to be First Witch" - from NewHampster, another front pager

Like I said before... in all honestly, I respect the fact that you go against the flow at that site.  That being said, the nasty sexist comments are coming from the top down, not vice-versa.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-09-25 09:29PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

well, you know I don't agree with that kind off stuff.  I think it's better, however, to engage and discuss these things and to call them out at the time.  One thing Sarah has been good for is calling attention to these discrepancies, but you have to look at the comment in context, space what's his name posted something that on the surface makes me look terrible, and I worded it in a way that gave him that opening, although my comment wasn't misinterpreted by those who defended Sarah from what I'd said.  

The point is that this isn't what we should be talking about.  I want those who've had such opinions to vote for Barack, anyway, less of two evils, whatever.  And seeing someone's point before disagreeing usually works better than just calling names.  

To me the only point now is to try to get Barack more votes.  and keeping these wars going, which could be tit for tat if anyone had the energy to go look up what some of you guys have said about Hillary, just keeps the primary passions inflamed and that's not good.

It's time to come together with people you don't completely agree with for a common purpose.  No one's pure, today's nyt, which endorsed Barack for president, listed some of his 'lies' about john in commercials. I don't give a rats ass if Barack is lying about John, I want him to win.  

So, who cares who's rightest or wrongest, we have a job to do.  

by anna shane 2008-09-26 08:30AM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

"So, who cares who's rightest or wrongest, we have a job to do."

And with that, I completely agree.

I hate to repeat myself but I also don't want you to think I was attacking you in any way... I really do respect the fact that you are trying to change minds over there.  My only point, if I even have one, is that a large portion of people over there are surviving only on hatred of Barack Obama.  

People there claim to be continuing Hillary's fight for UHC, but then rally against the only person running that wouldn't veto anything that gets put forward.  Bruised egos are trumping real issues, which would be fine with me except the posters are still pretending to care about issues.  It's probably a poor analogy, but it's like promising to make the perfect BLT sandwich in the 4 years and then refusing to buy bread.

Anyway, like I said before I truly wasn't meaning to attack you, but to point out the rank hypocrisy in users that complained about the sexist treatment of Hillary and then called Michelle a bitch.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-09-26 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

try for empathy.  Recall the hate that was freely expressed toward Hillary and how Bill is damned still for not being even more positive about Barack. It's human, sometimes people feel personally attacked, hey we are personally attacked even though we're bloggers and our real names aren't known.  Put yourself in the other position, if Hillary had won, and she sure came close, and guess how many would still be wanting her to lose because of the primary and their personal feelings about what went down.

Nobodies perfect, but if you tell someone they're wrong, for sure all you'll get to hear is their defense on why their right and once someone starts defending something it's very hard to change, to take a second look.

Then, you might say, oh yeah, that's where they're at, and I can see they have a point, but the bigger point for you is to defeat the pugs and get a Democrat in to try to fix things.  Barack has greatly improved as a candidate, he's now talking about it as a job and what needs to get done.  he's now working with Hillary, the woman he once said could not be trusted.

In DC they don't take things so  personally, Mary Maitlin is married to James Carville, and she was instrumental in selling al kinds of bad ideas, and he's a great guy, liberal, rational, they don't agree on anything and they have a happy marriage.  That's empathy, you don't have to make someone wrong to disagree.

One parts is for Hillary's backed to accept Barack as the legitimate candidate and work for his win, and the other part is Barack's original backers to accept she was a great candidate, the best I've seen in my lifetime and I'm pretty old. and her backers aren't wrong, they're just focusing on what isn't right now as important as what is?  

by anna shane 2008-09-26 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

A lot of the hatred directed towards Hillary and Bill during the primaries (even still, by some folks) is absolutely disgusting.  However, the same can be said for the hatred directed towards Obama during the primaries.  For every sexist attack on Hillary, there was a snide comment about Barack's middle name or a video associating him with 9/11.  If the shoe were on the other foot, I know there would be similar "No deal" type deadenders from the Obama camp.  That doesn't make it any less irrational and selfish.

There may be people that can be reasoned with on that site, but whenever morbid curiosity gets the better of me I end up seeing a ton of vitriol directed towards Obama alongside the weekly poorly Photoshopped attack from NewHampster (which are occasionally crossposted to "MyDumDum").  I've said it before and I'll say it again... anyone who wasn't moved to vote for Obama after Hillary's amazing speech at the convention or McCain's VP selection of a far right winger simply isn't going to be moved at all.

What we're seeing is a lot of irrational hatred (as illustrated by the latest rantings about Barack's "Presidential painting") towards Obama.  People there seem willing to turn anything into an attack on our nominee, never willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, and proudly proclaiming that they are going to vote against their own self interest to teach the Democratic party a lesson.

I would have been thoroughly happy with either Barack or Hillary as our nominee, and I truly believe that one of the only reasons that things got as ugly as they did is because they were two of the best candidates we have seen in a Democratic primary in a LOOOONG time and they are so similar ideologically.  I would have been equally irritated with the purity holdouts had Hillary won the primary.

I don't mind when people vote on emotions rather than issues, since it happens every damn election.  What does bug me is when people pretend to care about issues and then actively undermine those issues with their actions.  I do not care how many times Alegre makes calls for Universal Health Care... she is actively undermining the very ideals that Hillary has spent her career fighting for.  It's impossible to reason with people like that.

As for your last comments about Hillary's backers acknowledging Obama as the nominee and Obama's backers acknowledging how great a candidate Hillary was/is, I think the time for that has past.  There have been plenty of ashole-ish Obama supporters willing to rub salt in the wound at every opportunity, and obviously there are the Hillary supporters who can't get past the primary either.  The rational supporters on both sides have already met in the middle, and I truly believe that if anyone was going to change their mind, it would have already happened.

Anyway, thank you very much for the thoughtful responses, and sorry for the long-winded rant.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-09-26 02:10PM | 0 recs
teh google cache teg magic

For those of you wondering why I'm being hard on a reformed "PUMA" I'd like for you to check this post out before doing the falm thing.

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Michelle Obama doesn't like women who dare to compete

by: masslib
Thu Sep 18, 2008 at 14:56:43 PM EDT

http://alegrescorner.soapblox.net/showDi ary.do?diaryId=1082

First comment on this thread bashing Michelle with right wing talking points and filth?

she needs to go into recovery? (4.00 / 1)
I can't say I'm entirely innocent of thinking something similar, I thought it of her husband, for example.  But she's missing the point of Sarah's appeal.  Working women are sick of being talked down to, disparaged, made invisible, and of needing to show to the guys we work with that we know our place, by laughing along with them at other women, in blond jokes, and in sexist smears on women who might be judged by what they've done rather than who they are perceived to 'be' or how they look to men who judge based on sexual appeal.    
Michele wants to be treated with respect and her husband said anyone smearing his wife will have to answer to him.  But who does Michele answer to?  She deserves the same respect anyone deserves, which includes Sarah, and that's telling her she's out of touch, a tad retro, not an example of the change that women want.  

Hillary - alternative energy
by: anna shane @ Thu Sep 18, 2008 at 14:18:18 PM CDT

Implying the future First Lady is crazy (among other things) won't get you love from Democrats anna.

I can dig up more if you'd like. ;o)

by spacemanspiff 2008-09-25 05:43PM | 0 recs
but, but, but I said nice things too! ;o)

by spacemanspiff 2008-09-25 05:45PM | 0 recs
Re: teh google cache teg magic

if you put it in context, it's obvious I was referring to Sarah as those things, and not cute. In the next comment I'm called out for thinking Sarah is out of touch, when she didn't veto the same sex whatever example.  Michele is maybe not perfect, but she's hardly retro, and it's Sarah I don't want in the white house.  

But then my views on Sarah are well known there, as are my views about Michele.  I'd like you to remove this, out of context it sounds like i said something awful.  I have to catch it from both sides, Sarah defenders and you guys.  

by anna shane 2008-09-25 09:04PM | 0 recs
Stop blaming me for your actions

It's what you do everytime time I provide facts to back up my claims that you are not who you want people to think here. I provided your full quote AND a link so people can judge for themselves. You see the link? I'm sorry if your own words come back to haunt you.

You're acting like the McCain cahmpaign here. Blame the messenger and lie through your teeth.People will start taking you seriously when you take responsibility for your words.

As I said. A lot more where that came from. Try me.

By the way.  thatpurplestuff is providing links that contradict your claims. Why not respond with honesty to those as well please?

by spacemanspiff 2008-09-25 10:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop blaming me for your actions

you get so much stuff wrong?  

by anna shane 2008-09-26 08:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Stop blaming me for your actions

you get so much stuff wrong?  

by anna shane 2008-09-26 08:02AM | 0 recs
You're trying to be clever and you're a joke?

by spacemanspiff 2008-09-26 08:41AM | 0 recs
Shit, are those idiots stil around?

I guess I forgot all about 'em. The big kids have more important things to do.

by ragekage 2008-09-25 10:02PM | 0 recs
I'm more scared of a coup, Anna

they have acolytes in the gov't. If Obama gets elected... well, I'm still voting for him, because I hope.

by Blog Surrogate 57 2008-09-26 03:46AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm more scared of a coup, Anna

what do you mean?   You think if Barack is elected there will be a pug coup?  Well, we have to trust Barack that if such a thing is credible, he's on top of it.  

by anna shane 2008-09-26 08:33AM | 0 recs
they've begun infiltrating the military

and have gosslings in the CIA/FBI.

I can only hope that there are enough honest people left...

How are the prices in New Zealand looking? ;-)

by RisingTide 2008-09-26 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: they've begun infiltrating the military

oh, they've always been in the military, trust me there isn't enough organization to boil eggs let alone topple a democracy.  Sometimes it's nice to have competence, but something we can be glad there is so little.  

the military has a huge meth problem now, as well as rising alcoholism, and rampant ptsd.  It's broken.

Plus, in many parts of these united states our citizens are 'packin' and just waiting for the chance to shoot 'em up with the feds.

we have some very scary problems, but a military coup isn't one of them.  

by anna shane 2008-09-26 01:36PM | 0 recs
authoritarians are scared little sheep

you think they'd actually use those guns against the Feds?

I'm not so sure...

And getting a ton of people into West Point implies a hidden organization...

by RisingTide 2008-09-29 05:28AM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama


the Barking committee, he chairs the barking committee, which is why we call him Senator Barky.  
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by: anna shane @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:57:20 AM CDT
[ Parent | ]
he wouldn't be our first (4.00 / 1)
joke president.
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by: anna shane @ Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:49:08 AM

by venician 2008-09-26 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

how rude.

This is owl?  

I think some of the PUMA's over the top endorsement of a pug, and more a damaged pug, and hate speech against Barack (although this isn't the entire movement) hurts her heart, she wants what's best for us, she doesn't care about her personal fortune or what credit she's given.  She likes him, she can work with him if he's president and we'll all be a lot better off. i think he won't get much done, but that's better than getting the wrong stuff done.

but I can't see how anyone defending Sarah's so-called qualifications could have understood Hillary, it makes no sense to me.  Why Sarah, why not condi rice or harry meiers or any of those pug women we wouldn't want to be a heart-beat away.

is that your question?  

And i don't see how you help Barack.  You're often rude and it shows that Barack has not influenced you. He says you can disagree without being disagreeable.  So, you make him look like a poor leader.

All in all, I'd call it a wash?  

by anna shane 2008-09-25 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

And i don't see how you help Barack.  You're often rude and it shows that Barack has not influenced you. He says you can disagree without being disagreeable.  So, you make him look like a poor leader.

Unlike you, this isn't a "cult of personality" thing for me. You seem to believe the meme that we are all cultist and kool-aide drinking bots who follow "Dear leader".

You are a hypocrite and if you want respect from me and others who doubt your newfound respect for Obama you have to do more than call out those who mock PUMA's.

So please, spare me the lectures anna.

You want to trash the nominee? Fine. Go ahead. I'm not h'rating or engaging trolls ( feel free to check my comments if you'd like). But don't try to pass yourself off as a "concerned Democrat" if you're going to use right wing talking points against Obama.

You called me a pug troll and wanted the communtiy to t'rate me for asking if PUMA sites still existed.

owl called them a fringe movement.

So which one is it? Are we both trolls or are we not?

Simple question.

by spacemanspiff 2008-09-25 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

too weird for me, not reality based, too much untrue stuff, sorry, can't correct it all.  

by anna shane 2008-09-25 05:21PM | 0 recs

just picture that he's gotten you confused with someone else.

by Blog Surrogate 57 2008-09-26 03:48AM | 0 recs
Our Darlin from Texas hasn't stopped keeping "the hate alive" for six months running.
by mikeinsf 2008-09-26 12:44PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

"and still believe Hillary would have made one hell of a great president."

The vast majority of us Obama supporters would strongly endorse that statement.

There were outliers on both sides, it got ugly.

Now, we are faced with the naked truth, the mask has been ripped off of the McCain "honor" candidacy to reveal the same Rovian characters playing scum and dumb politics with the American people.

They knew what they were doing when they chose Palin over Oly Snowe or Kay Bailey, and it wasn't to present an alternate to Senator Clinton.

It was to sneak another Bush into the WH.

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-25 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

F-You BJJ...

For assholes on MyDD, you take the cake...

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-25 09:34PM | 0 recs

ABC News' Nitya Venkataraman Reports: Former President Bill Clinton defended Sen. John McCain's request to delay the first presidential debate, saying McCain did it in "good faith" and pushed organizers to reserve time for economy talk during the debate if the Friday plans move forward....

"We know he didn't do it because he's afraid because Sen. McCain wanted more debates," Clinton said, adding that he was "encouraged" by the joint statement from McCain and Sen. Barack Obama.

"You can put it off a few days the problem is it's hard to reschedule those things," Clinton said, "I presume he did that in good faith since I know he wanted -- I remember he asked for more debates to go all around the country and so I don't think we ought to overly parse that."

If the debate moves forward as planned for Friday night, Clinton says "they should be able to talk about this some of the debate because it is a security issue."

by venician 2008-09-25 02:42PM | 0 recs

Whatever.  It's such a small thing that noone cares about.

by Scotch 2008-09-25 03:04PM | 0 recs

Mybe you don't, but I do.

by venician 2008-09-25 03:29PM | 0 recs

maybe you shouldn't. why not broadcast that Bill says Barack is a statesman?  Repeat all the positive things  he's said about Barack, unless you're trying to keep divisions within our party so Barack will lose and you can blame Bill?  I mean, what is your game?   Just want to stir things up or something?  

by anna shane 2008-09-25 04:20PM | 0 recs
Great idea, now why don't you take your own advice and start printing positive things about Obama??????????????????
I'll be waiting.
by venician 2008-09-26 08:57AM | 0 recs
Sorry, this is bullshit

I'm usually very supportive of Clinton supporters who needed time to heal and have decided to support Obama for president, but your finger pointing and placing of blame is incredibly one-sided if not completely detached from reality.

I agree that the primary process needs reform, but Clinton and her team began this process understanding what the rules were and even admitted as much when the said in January that this would be a contest about delegates.

Yet they continued to campaign after it had become clear that they couldn't catch up to Obama in delegates. That would have been fine had they not dragged Obama and themselves through the mud with dog-whistle attacks and foolish smears revolving around people like Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright.

I won't deny that Hillary Clinton suffered from sexist attacks from the media, Obama supporters and even Republicans. But to act as if if the negativity during the primary campaign was one-sided and the attacks against Clinton and her campaign were not deserved is complete and utter bullshit.

And honestly, that you would even consider voting for McCain in the first place is pathetic. Are you a Democrat? What the hell were you thinking?

I'm glad you're voting for Obama. Future generations will thank you. But please spare us the scolding and the pettiness... it won't help win this election.

by potus2020 2008-09-25 03:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry, this is bullshit

No one mentioned voting for McCain.  There are plenty of people who were considering not voting.  Whether or not you agree with the post, this is about as good as you are going to get.  Everyone has a right to the level of support they give to a candidate.  Voting for one is all they might feel like giving but it is a damn good amount.

by Scotch 2008-09-25 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry, this is bullshit

Just push the button marked "D."

That's all I am going to do, so what's the diff how you got there?

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-25 04:09PM | 0 recs
You're right...

There was no mention of voting for McCain. But just as this diarist has the right to voice his/her opinion, I have the right to voice mine and not only do I resent the diarists skewed perception of what went on during the primaries, I also resent that he/she would consider putting my family at risk of living under a McCain presidency. Politics is personal and such behavior is irresponsible and childish.

Maybe it's the best we can get, but it's pathetic and I fully intended to let the diarist know what I thought.

Like I said in my original post, I'm usually supportive of people who needed to time before they could support Obama, but this persons statements and behavior are absurd and counter-productive.

by potus2020 2008-09-25 04:36PM | 0 recs
Re: You're right...

Your attempt to control anothers thoughts and call them childish for not going as far as you would like them to in their thinking, may be even more so.  You did in fact mention McCain.

by Scotch 2008-09-25 04:40PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHdLJV9Nu xU

by JFC7 2008-09-25 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

Welcome aboard owl.

We don't have to like each other to fight for a common cause.

Major kudos and mojo.

by spacemanspiff 2008-09-25 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

Out of many we are one.

by fugazi 2008-09-25 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

Glad to have your support, owl.

Had Hillary won, I could have written this same kind of diary (still mad at Hillary supporters, for example). But, casting my vote for presidential nominee Hillary would never have been in doubt.

The Palin choice is an insult to all women (on so many levels) and a special insult to female supporters of Hillary who chose her because of what she stood for, not because she is a women. Palin shares nothing with Hillary beyond gynecological makeup. To think that those women would vote for McCain/Palin because a woman is on the ticket is obscene. It ignores the fact that Hillary, besides having at least 50 IQ points on Palin, has actually thought about what she believes, learned history, has experience - and is a true supporter of women. Women are not interchangeable.

Sorry about the rant...

by royce 2008-09-25 09:26PM | 0 recs
Re: I endorse Obama

Hey, you are learning what a political party is. Congratulations. You've learned what the Republicans (a minority party) already know.

by applecrispbetty 2008-09-26 11:47AM | 0 recs


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