No one was more disappointed than I was that Obama passed up the opportunity to make history twice by choosing Hillary Clinton for VP, the OBVIOUS choice. And the one that deserved it most.

He did not do this.

After all the fabulous speeches and yes, they were good.

Hillary's speech was brilliant, Bill's speech was fantastic and Obama's speech was Outstanding I thought.

But - McCain choosing Sarah Palin for Vice President.


He WILL syphon off WOMEN from the democratic party who feel VERY disenfranchised by the treatment of Hillary Clinton.

After Obama's speech last night, I was certain HE would be the next President.

I've changed my mind. The Democrats NEED women to win.

THIS selection was a GAME CHANGER.

I now believe McCain has put himself out there and shown he is a Maverick and not your average Republican.

Howard Wolfson on Fox News is now saying "Alot of Hillary Clinton supporters are going to be asking themselves WHY Hillary Clinton was not chosen for VP.  Her supporters will be giving this ticket a  second look."

Wolfson continues "Obviously this is a pick to go after the 18 million votes that Hillary Clinton received, both Obama and McCain need those votes to win the election."

I'm sorry - but in my opinion, OBAMA BLEW IT by passing up Hillary Clinton for VP.

Tags: Hillary, mccain, obama, Palin, Vice President (all tags)



Its really sad

that Obama let his wife's petty anger at Bill and Hillary get in the way of a smart move. McCain's not got obama's ass in a corner. A shame how Obama has pissed the election away. Women will go for Palin, and McCain may even get more men because she's hot. I wonder if its not too late to throw Biden off the ticket, who brings nothing to it. The speech last nite wasn't even that good, they even fucked up the fireworks, and it looked just ridiculous.

by Lakrosse 2008-08-29 07:38AM | 0 recs
Only 5 McCain points for you.


by Geekesque 2008-08-29 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Its really sad

The speech last nite wasn't even that good, they even fucked up the fireworks, and it looked just ridiculous.

The only one who looks ridiculous is the clown who continually whines about the fireworks.

By the way, today you're saying:
The speech last nite wasn't even that good

Last night (while still whining about the fireworks) you said:
great speech 3417/5110/5#5

I bet trolling is easier if you take notes on what you say, so you don't ... well ... sound as laughably foolish as you do now for the self-contradiction.

by Collideascope 2008-08-29 07:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Its really sad

"The only one who looks ridiculous is the clown who continually whines about the fireworks."

And who spells "night" like he's writing an advertisement for Taco Bell instead of debating on a political blog.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-08-29 08:05AM | 0 recs

Hey got a question!  What's the going rate for crossing the bridge?

by cooptimo 2008-08-29 07:39AM | 0 recs
I'm absolutely shocked!

Your support of McCain is a complete surprise!

by thatpurplestuff 2008-08-29 07:39AM | 0 recs

Strong Pro-Life. Strong religious right, NRA. A perfect Republican And if Hillary supporters thought Obama had no experience Palin hasn't a clue. And if most women do not see this a complete pander I'll be very surprised.

McCain did not choose her because of qualities he choose her to syphon votes. Talk about be relegated to second class status.

by jsfox 2008-08-29 07:40AM | 0 recs

You are missing the point entirely.

My 'not very' politically engaged wife just read some of Jerome's postings and comparisons to Quale and she was real p-off.

(Personally I too was offended, but perhaps not as strongly.)

Once you have the left start bagging out this mother of 5 who became a 'tough' Alaska governor there will be MANY women who will align with the McCain-Palin ticket.

Say what you will about McCain but he is a shrewd guy with balls of steel.

by kristoph 2008-08-29 07:55AM | 0 recs

No I don't believe I am.


A veteran to cut your veteran's benefits.
And a woman to take away your right to choose.

Next Hillary is going to chew her up!

by jsfox 2008-08-29 08:00AM | 0 recs

Don't you see?  The fact that Palin is under investigation for abuse of power will definetely shore up her lack of experience and make her look just as good as HRC!

Women who are pro-choice, anti Bush policies will have no choice but to support an inexperienced, Pro-life, Pro- oil company, corrupt Alaskan governor!

You just don't get it..  As John McCain said:

"That's not change we can believe in"

Change we can believe in is putting in an EXPERIENCED (1.5 year governor) one heart-beat away from the presidency!  

There's no change, like McCain changing positions!

by Why Not 2008-08-29 08:03AM | 0 recs
PUMA go home! n/t

by Geekesque 2008-08-29 07:40AM | 0 recs

Maybe they think a woman with four years' experience as vice president will be able to beat Sen. Clinton in the 2012 presidential race.

by Liberal Monk 2008-08-29 07:40AM | 0 recs
Re: ummmm

Sadly Palin will never get to find out ;)

by jsfox 2008-08-29 07:42AM | 0 recs
I concur!! n/t

by Liberal Monk 2008-08-29 10:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Hmmmmmm...

I think you're almost right.

This is a legacy pick.  Assuming he loses, Palin is set to be the anti-Hillary in the next cycle.  After a tough General campaign & four or eight years of grooming on the national stage she'll be real candidate on her own.  This doesn't work out in Hillary's favor in the end.

by January 20 2008-08-29 08:07AM | 0 recs
Yup yup

Win or lose, Gov. Palin will be set to run against Sen. Clinton in the future, but those supporters of Sen. Clinton who plan to help Sen. McCain get elected by either voting for him or staying home in November need to consider that, if they succeed, they will be arming Gov. Palin with vice presidential experience with which to beat Sen. Clinton in a head-to-head run for the Presidency.

by Liberal Monk 2008-08-29 10:03AM | 0 recs

I wasn't convinced until your judicious use of the caps lock key did the trick.

by rfahey22 2008-08-29 07:41AM | 0 recs




* head explodes *

by thatpurplestuff 2008-08-29 07:47AM | 0 recs


Can I play your game too?

by January 20 2008-08-29 08:07AM | 0 recs

Awesome! I can't wait to see all the areas where McCain will heed Palin's council and give her a significant role in the administration.

Why on foreign Nothing there.

On healthcare......nope, nothing there.

Economically speaking....nope.



by Reeves 2008-08-29 07:43AM | 0 recs

... and if you think that will make a difference in the next 60 days your clueless.

Just the fact that McCain totally killed the DNCC news cycle is worth it.

by kristoph 2008-08-29 07:57AM | 0 recs

Wow you hit the nail on the head!

Obama's landmark address that was on every major network and that was recognized my many as one of the most powerful political speeches in the history of the nation got completely DEMOLISHED by the awesome VP choice and coverage!

Today we'll see how even the republicans are running from the announcement of Palin, as so many are not even attending.  This will show up Obama's measly 84000 supporters any day of the week!

How could the DNCC have misfired any worse, maybe if they had to cancel the president speach on the monday of the convention.. oh wait that's Bush backing out of the RNC..

Perhaps is it getting the popular governor from the most populated state in the union to sing the praises of the nominee..  oh wait the governator backed out of his speach at the RNC..

Maybe it is a strong beginning for the Republican Convention on the third anniversary of Katrina as a new hurricaine prepares to pount NO again..  oh wait they're considering postpoing the beginning of the convention.

Well the because argument always works..

This is a GAME CHANGER because..  well just because, and anyone that isn't listening to me is just putting their head in the sand!!

by Why Not 2008-08-29 08:15AM | 0 recs

oh yeah I forgot to add..


(that one always works)

by Why Not 2008-08-29 08:16AM | 0 recs

The DNC news cycle ended last night in a shower of fireworks and a crowd of thousands cheering wildly.
McCain is desperate, and the fact that he's so desperate as to pick a  governor (for 18 months) of a state of 671,000 (most mayors of large cities in the lower 48 have more executive experience), under investigation for corruption, and picked her only because of her sex.

It's amazing that so many McTrolls, who have been screaming about Obama's lack of "experience" don't seem to mind it in the Republican house.
You guys are getting a little too obvious these days.

by skohayes 2008-08-29 08:16AM | 0 recs
You're right, McCain's choice of Palin is a game changer. You see, it's McCain's belief that the VP only exists to step in for the President, in case he or she becomes incapacitated or dies. So, the GOP must drop their objections to Obama based on their definition of experience. Otherwise, they themselves have to disqualify Palin. The game changer is that this raises Obama/Biden chances of winning.
by zenful6219 2008-08-29 07:48AM | 0 recs

Not only that, McCain's entire argument was judgment. That he had the proven judgment to lead and put America before getting elected.

Well, McCain just showed his judgment. This is an electoral politics pick, but from a governing perspective, this is a disaster.

by vcalzone 2008-08-29 07:51AM | 0 recs

You're overreaching there.

After all it's not like McCain is likely to sidelined at all in the next four years (72 - 76 years of age, wow, that does seem pretty old though... )  And it's not like we're at wa... Well let's forget that thought.  (Not that old people forget their thoghts....)  

Uhmmm  I'd better stop while I'm winning this argument.

by January 20 2008-08-29 08:12AM | 0 recs
You think Hillary's supporters

are going to make her run against an incumbent Republican woman?

I don't see it. That's not just stabbing HRC in the back, that's shooting her in the face.

by Neef 2008-08-29 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: You think Hillary's supporters

My wife and I are Hillary supporters (present tense).

I was seriously wavering and, honestly, this made me more likely to support McCain.

My wife is over on her laptop there donating a $100 to McCain just now because she was so offended by Jerome's postings and some other comments. So she is basically decided to donate money because of Palin.

I am sure we're not typical. I am also sure this will help McCain alot.

by kristoph 2008-08-29 08:01AM | 0 recs
Re: You think Hillary's supporters

Not only voting against your own self-interests, but actually actively donating against them as well.  Kudos!

Which far right policies of Palin's appeal to you and your wife the most?

by thatpurplestuff 2008-08-29 08:05AM | 0 recs
Re: You think Hillary's supporters

Which far right policies of Palin's appeal to you and your wife the most?

Well, when some guy who runs a blog (Jerome) disses a woman, policies don't matter - then the ticket that woman runs on deserves $100!


Makes perfect sense ...

by Collideascope 2008-08-29 08:10AM | 0 recs
Re: You think Hillary's supporters

McCain/Palin '08!  F*ck ANWAR!

by thatpurplestuff 2008-08-29 08:14AM | 0 recs
She Likes Creationism, Too

She thinks it needs to be taught alongside evolution.  You know.  "Present all the evidence".

You've got to admit, the GOP base does love those who profess utter ignorance of science.

by Collideascope 2008-08-29 08:16AM | 0 recs
Re: You think Hillary's supporters

Absolutely none that I know of. :-)

I am just saying that by demeaning Palin Jerome provoked a gut reaction in my wife that prompted her to support McCain.

I am betting that is exactly what McCain was counting on.

by kristoph 2008-08-29 08:18AM | 0 recs
Re: You think Hillary's supporters

Awesome!  Well good on you.  I say screw universal health care, civil rights, the environment, the war in Iraq, and the economy.  As long as you've got your gut reaction to listen to, go for it!  Actually, I think you should double down on that donation to give an extra fuck you to the Supreme Court!

by thatpurplestuff 2008-08-29 08:24AM | 0 recs
Re: You think Hillary's supporters

Well ...

1) I happen to agree with McCain on Iraq. Obama's policy is just pander. I am not saying we should have gone into Iraq, I do agree it was executed badly, but now that we're there finishing the job seems more logical to me.

2) The economy may be sucking for some, I totally appreciate and understand that (I was dirt poor when I was young) but the Bush tax policy has helped me personally. I am not sure I want more taxes. I do want more fiscal responsibility though, and I think McCain will do a better job of that then Obama.

3) McCain supports cap and trade, his battery proposal has been well received, he is against drilling in Anwar.

4) I'll give you a point on civil rights. Obama did flip flop on FISA though, which I think sucked, by McCain was no better.

I will say I support Universal Health Care but of the type Clinton advocated. Obama's policy is no policy at all.

I also support more social programs but, pragmatically, we as a nation need money to do that, and we'll get that through fiscal responsibility. I think McCain will do a better job of that then Obama.

Note that I am not against Obama. I just have a hard time with the fact that all his policies are so fluffy. I mean FISA, oil drilling, faith based initiatives, have really made me realize I have no clue what he'll do in the white house.

by kristoph 2008-08-29 08:39AM | 0 recs
Well, it sounds like

you were on the fence anyway, and this was a small nudge. Good for you, that's your choice.

I think the question will be how many people will vote against their self interest (which you aren't) for a women VP? If we can keep Democrats rational about what's in their best interest, party ID numbers lead me to believe we're still ok.

by Neef 2008-08-29 08:51AM | 0 recs
Re: You think Hillary's supporters

Jerome's posting?

But you know, this is a really good pick for our nation. The Republican party has now opened itself up to having a women on the ticket for the first time in history. Palin is wrong on nearly everything in her policies, but its another powerful breakthrough for the political system.

How is that offensive to people who donate to McCain?

by TCQuad 2008-08-29 08:17AM | 0 recs
Re: You think Hillary's supporters

I think it was the previous posting :-)

I mean, honestly, Obama is pretty much a lightweight when it comes to governance. His appeal is that he is a thoughtful visionary.

To go off on a woman who has raised 5 children while rising to a governor of a state, calling her a Spiro Agnew and essentially saying she has zero experience, while knowing nothing about her, is really bound to produces a reaction in many women.

McCain's pick is a winner politically.

by kristoph 2008-08-29 08:23AM | 0 recs
Re: You think Hillary's supporters

That's Jonathan, not Jerome.

I'm not sure why you'd expect a Democratic blog to not find faults with a Republican candidate.

She's governed a state of 683,478 people. Obama's State Senate district had 653,647. She held an executive position, but not one that has to deal with a wide range of people. Her husband works for the oil industry (BP), so her declarations on energy policy will be suspect. She's the target of an abuse of power investigation. She's hard-core conservative.

I think she was specifically chosen because she was the only candidate for McCain that is conservative on the economy, energy and social issues, so it'll please the base.

I don't think she's a loser politically, but she's a gigantic gamble.

by TCQuad 2008-08-29 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: You think Hillary's supporters

My bad, that's the Congressional district, not the State Senate one. Obama's State Senate district had 200k (from another thread).

by TCQuad 2008-08-29 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: You think Hillary's supporters

Oops. Apologies to Jerome.

by kristoph 2008-08-29 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: You think Hillary's supporters


In one paragraph you whine that Obama has insufficient experience, in the next paragraph you whine about people who point out Palin's thin resume.

Are you a contortionist in real life, or do you just play one on the tubes?

by Collideascope 2008-08-29 08:40AM | 0 recs
I'm not talking about

the "I'm voting because of a blogger" crowd.

I mean the women who really identified with HRC this run. I just don't see them throwing her under the bus.

by Neef 2008-08-29 08:23AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not talking about

Well I remain undecided but if I do vote McCain that does not mean I won't vote for Hillary in 2012.

by kristoph 2008-08-29 08:26AM | 0 recs
What is it you like...

about Sen. McCain?  I will admit I have something personal against The Senator, he and his buddies stole my Grandmother's retirement money.  So I just wonder why you want to hurt America?  And, yes I do feel certain that a President McCain is going to hurt America for me as well as you and your wife.

by tonedevil 2008-08-29 08:24AM | 0 recs
Bless her heart...

More power to ya if y'all can afford to do that. If I donated $100 everytime I got offended by something said at this site, I'd be in danger of losing my house. Oh, wait...

by Liberal Monk 2008-08-29 10:31AM | 0 recs

Having just gotten back from the convention. I met many Hillary delegates and supporters there.

THEY ARE ANGRY and disenchanted with how Hillary has been treated and especially that she was overlooked for VP.

Yes, I think these people MAY vote for this ticket.

by nikkid 2008-08-29 07:55AM | 0 recs
The government

They deserve.

by Brandon 2008-08-29 08:01AM | 0 recs
That's stupid.
If someone is voting for a ticket merely because there's a woman on it, then frankly, they should be voting Republican.
Democratic women are too smart for that.
Frankly, I'm beginning to realize that there are a lot more republicans in the PUMA movement than I originally thought.
by skohayes 2008-08-29 08:20AM | 0 recs
And if there are enough of them to help

the McCain/Palin ticket win, they'll have a front-row seat to watch Vice President Palin beat Sen. Clinton in 2012 or 2016. I feel certain Hillary will write personal thank you notes to each of them!  

by Liberal Monk 2008-08-29 10:35AM | 0 recs

Biden looks like a poor choice now if you ask me.

by Iceblinkjm 2008-08-29 07:57AM | 0 recs

corrupt alaskan politics and her husband works for the oil company.  she wants to drill in Anwar! there goes McCain, keeping those oilmen in the whitehouse...and my lovely diarist here is ready to fall for it.  

by epiphany 2008-08-29 08:02AM | 0 recs
You are correct Obama really blew it!

You also forgot to mention she is a catholic. She may not be pro-choice but I think she would still be quite appealing to many moderate women.

by indydem99 2008-08-29 08:08AM | 0 recs
Re: You are correct Obama really blew it!

I'm pretty sure she's protestant.

by markjay 2008-08-29 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: You are correct Obama really blew it!

She is an evangelical Christian.

indyrepublican really blew it!

by BobzCat 2008-08-29 08:20AM | 0 recs
Re: You are correct Obama really blew it!
Why would she be appealing to moderate Democrats?
She's pro-oil, she's sitting in the middle of a corruption investigation, she's anti-choice and she has about 4 years of experience working in the government.
About as far from Hillary as you could possibly get.
by skohayes 2008-08-29 08:22AM | 0 recs
Re: You are correct Obama really blew it!

Much closer to Obama on the experience front really ;-)

I bet that's part of the McCain calculus too. He knows Obama wont attack her experience because the last thing the Obama camp want's is to have the Dem presidential pick compared to the Rep VP pick.

by kristoph 2008-08-29 08:43AM | 0 recs
Nor should he attack her on it

The comparison should be Pres to Pres and VP to VP. Biden can hold his own in ANY debate with Palin, and Obama can keep hammering how McCain was wrong (on basically everything).

by Neef 2008-08-29 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: You are correct Obama really blew it!
Actually, Obama has about 11 years of experience in politics, he was president of the Harvard Law Review and taught constitutional law as well.
Palin has experience as the mayor of a town that has about 8700 people in it and 19 months as the governor of Alaska. She has signed into law the largest budget in the state's history, and cuts budget items by eliminating construction jobs. That sounds like another Bushbot economist to me.
 And by the way, Obama can attack her experience, because it's an issue that seem(ed) very important to Republicans right up until this morning.
by skohayes 2008-08-29 10:06AM | 0 recs
Re: GAME CHANGER wrote a comment the other day and said I didn't think the Republicans would do it. I was wrong. They have done what the Democrats are unwilling to do. I also said if McCain did choose a woman who I would at least think about voting for him. McCain/Palin is as of today under consideration.

This is change I can believe in.

by feelfree 2008-08-29 08:09AM | 0 recs
That's very ironic, considering your sig line.
Palin was ignored right up until McCain got desperate enough to try pandering to PUMA Republicans.
You think he picked her because of her experience?
by skohayes 2008-08-29 08:24AM | 0 recs
Ouch! Good catch on sig line!! n/t

by Liberal Monk 2008-08-29 10:43AM | 0 recs

Alot is spelled wrong.  A lot is correct.

That spelling error was a credibility GAME CHANGER!!!!!!1 for your diary.  Now you appear uneducated.  The correct spelling for 'a lot' is usually covered in middle school English classes.

by Hill4Life 2008-08-29 08:20AM | 0 recs

Yes, I bet the diarist clings to his guns and his religion, the poor uneducated sod.

by kristoph 2008-08-29 08:44AM | 0 recs

No, McCain isn't a maverick.

McCain is pretending he's a maverick to get the votes of shallow people who don't care about issues.

by pomology 2008-08-29 09:22AM | 0 recs


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