Time Travel: Hillary Trying To Play Bush To Obama's Gore

Inspired by BTD, let us travel back in time to the evening of January 3rd, 2008. Shall we?...

This is too stupid for words:

Senator Obama was awarded 13 delegates to Senator Clinton's 12. As Clinton Communications Director Howard Wolfson said, "This is a race for delegates...It is not a battle for individual states. As David knows, we are well past the time when any state will have a disproportionate influence on the nominating process." [Washington Post, 1/16/08]

So Clinton is trumpeting LOSING by 8-9 points after having spent weeks whining about and trying to disenfranchise college students in IA (and smeared Obama in disgusting ways)? The Democratic voters of  Iowa clearly chose Obama and Clinton is celebrating that the intent of the voters may be thwarted by these atrocious caucus rules? This  is pathetic, insulting and ridiculous. Shame on the Clinton campaign for this.

Tags: Election 2008, Hillary Clinton (all tags)



H/T to BTD!

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-01-19 03:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Time Travel: Hillary Trying To Play Bush To Ob

I would have no problem if Obama were trying to minimize the degree of his loss, as Clinton's campaign did after Iowa.

Trying to spin a loss as a "win" because of delegates just makes you look silly.

by Steve M 2008-01-19 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Time Travel: Hillary Trying To Play Bush To Ob

Yeah, I don't think they should refer to delegates to claim victory, but I see nothing wrong in using the number to demonstrate strength in rural areas (to possibly bolster electibility arguments, although I have a feeling that rural parts of Nevada are sui generis and that they don't portend any general voting pattern).

by DPW 2008-01-19 03:20PM | 0 recs
Obama campaign claims they

may have won (or maybe a tie at 14 apiece, as being reported by CNN) the delegate battle.

After all, according to Howard Wolfson: "This is a race for delegates"

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-01-19 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama campaign claims they

I love how your response to someone pointing out that your spin looks silly is to repeat your spin over and over and over again.

Yes, I know you believe the real takeaway from Nevada is that your candidate won the delegate battle.  I know you believe you have an awesome gotcha because of something Howard Wolfson once said.  Fact is, your spin makes you look quite silly.

by Steve M 2008-01-19 03:30PM | 0 recs
I told you what I care about:

Considering all the three states of IA, NH and NV, the cumulative results are a close tie b/w Obama and Clinton. That's my take and that's all I actually care about.

The rest of what I am saying is my pointing out the hypocrisy flying around, as is, depressingly, usual in politics.


Instead of repeating the same stuff, I'll let the readers go over the thread.


"Yes, I know you believe the real takeaway from Nevada is that your candidate won the delegate battle."

No. That's a false claim because I told you here  (a comment you've responded to hence you presumably read what I posted) that:

Do I think that HRC won NV? Yes. But, then I am going to point to what Wolfson was spinning after HRC's clear defeat in IA.

"Fact is, your spin makes you look quite silly."

BTD's diary was a silly spin on what Obama campaign said, reciprocating to how the Clinton campaign was spinning and trying to minimize Obama's clear and convincing win in IA. Hence my response. If people don't spin, I would rather use my time for more useful things than responding to the spins.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-01-19 03:40PM | 0 recs
Hillary Trying To Play Bush To Obama's Gore

You might want to read Jerome's front page post.

Shame on you!

by lonnette33 2008-01-19 03:17PM | 0 recs
Well, what happens in NV doesn't change
what DID happen after IA:
  1. Wolfson was running around counting delegates (which Obama won as well) trying to downplay Obama's win. Sore loser.
  2. Hillary was running around critiquing the IA caucus system after losing it. WATB.
by NeuvoLiberal 2008-01-19 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Well, what happens in NV doesn't change

I see the "Clinton did it too" meme is not limited to Republican circles these days.

There is little doubt that the Clinton campaign was off-message and in disarray after Iowa.  They sucked it up and rebounded in the next state.

You would be well-advised to do the same, instead of whining and trying to justify it by saying, "Well, once upon a time Clinton whined too!"

by Steve M 2008-01-19 03:28PM | 0 recs
I told you over and over

what my own takes on NV and the overall race so far are. BTD's spin diary is the the reason for my response.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-01-19 03:43PM | 0 recs
Obama flipped the race card

Latinos were disgusted and said no way.

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-19 03:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Time Travel: Hillary Trying To Play Bush To Ob

This is a silly diary.  You are better than this.

by Mike Pridmore 2008-01-19 04:10PM | 0 recs
Please tell Wolfson and BTD not to spin

the next time.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-01-19 04:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Please tell Wolfson and BTD not to spin

I don't control either one of them.  I've known BTD for over four years now, but I don't have much control over him.  I don't even know Wolfson.

by Mike Pridmore 2008-01-19 06:08PM | 0 recs
You are now embarrassing yourself.

No one likes a sore loser.

by masslib1 2008-01-19 05:01PM | 0 recs

But hold on, folks. The Nevada Democratic Party just issued this clarification (emphasis is ours): "No national convention delegates were awarded. That said, if the delegate preferences remain unchanged between now and April 2008, the calculations of national convention delegates being circulated by the Associated Press are correct. We look forward to our county and state conventions where we will choose the delegates for the nominee that Nevadans support."

What does this mean? It looks like the Obama camp's math (as well as the AP's and NBC's) is correct.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-01-19 05:45PM | 0 recs
I initially assumed

she won (because the networks called it 51-45 for HRC), but after taking a closer look, I am not so sure anymore.

First, the 51%-45% being reported by the networks (CNN). These are apparently delegates to the County Convention (aka, apparently, state delegates).

Second, CNN says here 13(O)-12(C) delegate count, but 14-14 here

Third, nvdems site hasn't updated after 50.71% precincts reporting (has 50.7(H) and 45.2(O)).

Fourth, there is an unsourced diary claiming that Obama may have won the popular vote. There is only a  miniscule chance of that being true, but one can't rule this out if some precincts had huge turnouts. We will probably not know this for sure as NV Dem party doesn't release them, apparently.

And then the NV Dem statement agrees with the AP report that Obama has more national delegates.

We have a situation where Hillary seems to have won state delegates, and Obama seems to have won national convention delegates. That dichotomy didn't exist in IA where Obama won on all counts.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-01-19 05:50PM | 0 recs


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