Obama is competitive in two states the Democrats have lost (I know, I know) the last two election cycles plus he expands the field to state that haven't been competitive for a generation...

Against a candidate who is short on funds...

Damn Obama! Damn him straight to hell!!!

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and I could give a fig less.

We broke the rules (agreed to before hand by everyone...even Clinton) and should be punished for no other reason than the precedence set.

How can you enforce rules designed in the future if you allow Florida and Michigan to get away with it...Iowa and New Hampshire will only use these excuses to their advantage in the future.

Besides, it won't matter anyway. It will all be over but the crying by June...and the united Democratic Convention will vote for Obama unanimously come August.

But they still must be punished (maybe half their delegates)...

As a Michigan voter I surely don't want our Potemkin election votes to count!

I find Todd, who is a devout Clinton supporter, to be more objective at this point in the primary on this particular subject...

Some of the more "grab for anything" diaries can be laid at many people's feet however

Jerome waits to develop his "yardstick for spin" until Obama releases one memo to the Super delegates to counter the months of spin from the Clinton folks (where are they at now? oh yeah...the supers should decide alphabetically)...

All in an effort to show what exactly?

Gee...here we go with the tired old electability argument.

The very same argument that gave us Kerry over Dean.

The truth is that no one knows what is going to happen in November based upon polling done now while we have a contested primary going on.

The endless arguments from the trailing candidate have taken on ridiculous proportions.

Here's a strong argument for giving Clinton the nomination...actually win it.

Oh wait, she blew that opportunity back in March when she failed to have a plan after Super Tuesday.

It's over, after May 6th, it will be even more over, after June 3rd it will finally be over.

The sooner the primary fever swamp is drained, the better.

Oh, yeah...and shame on all you veterans of the 2004 primary wars from letting yourselves lose your frigging heads again.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of what again?

by North Carolina in two weeks...and we are right back where we started from yesterday.

why can't Clinton get it done?

She had all the institutional organization, she was inevitable (before she wasn't) and had the highest name recognition of any candidate entering a primary in quite a while.

Explain to me again why someone who can't win the primary with all of this going for her is somehow expected to win the general election?

Last time I checked, the only candidates to win the general election, actually were able to win the party's nomination first...

Call me old fashioned, but...

Clinton is Bush?

I saw the program in question, he was asking if Clinton getting the Supers to over turn the primary results would have the same effect as Gore winning the electoral college versus Gore winning the popular vote.

To suggest he was saying Clinton is Bush is a stretch to say the least.

the panel was discussing what historical event they could turn to to compare this too.

They tried Johnson v. Kennedy in 1960, Humphrey in 1968...

Olberman turned to the electoral college v. popular vote in 2000 to suggest a similar reaction should Clinton get the Supers to vote for a different result than the actual primary results.

But I guess that means the same thing as comparing Clinton to Bush...

Sigh.

Can't we walk and chew gum at the same time?

On another note...isn't the lack of knowledge about the rest of the world the very cause of some of the more disastrous of American foreign policy?

Might say more about the state of the activities between the candidates and their surrogates than anything else.

Man oh man I can't wait for the silly season to be over!

(Jerome also)it is nice to see it isn't dead and buried...

Exhibit A ladies and Gentlemen: John Kerry 2004.

I thought it was a mistake to give access to the front page to candidate surrogates, knowing the fever swamp that ensued during the 2004 primaries.

What a surprise that it has gotten out of control.

You reap what you sow I guess.

a Committee of DNC members came up with the plan and  it was voted on by all the DNC members representative of every state and protectorate...

SO it wasn't all down to Dean...he was just left the shity job of enforcing the half-assed plan.

because they are responding to someone who is doing exactly the same thing...

Are you going to ask the first poster the same question?

it had nothing to do with the fact that she was having her ass handed to here over the Bosnia yarn she got caught spinning...

Nothing to see here...move along.

I mean, it's not like she deflected this story on multiple occasions until she needed to get the heat off of her.