Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty boy

Well, I don't really believe that Senator Obama is either the Messiah or a very naughty boy, but it is not the first time a diary has started with a untrue presumption.

But I do wonder what he biggest fault is. Beating Senator Clinton to the nomination in spite of being an elitist? Beating Hillary in spite of having less experience? Beating Hillary in spite of having no solutions.

Or perhaps people don't like him because he did not bow down to the 'inevitability' of a Clinton nomination, that he had the better experience and solution for winning delegates. Some people certainly seem to hold it against him that he had the better solution to raising more money from more people.

Tags: 2008 elections, Barack Obama, exploding heads, Hillary Clinton (all tags)



Re: Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty

Or to put it another way, I hope Democrats (exploding head Democrats excepting) will swing behind Obama sooner than later. Say, for example, June 8th after the last election, rather than August 29th after the Denver Convention.

by My Ob 2008-04-27 06:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty

Well we all know that he's a very naughty boy.  But I'm going to show that not only is he a naughty boy, but he's a very nasty, filthy boy....

or however that quote goes.

by Mostly 2008-04-27 06:07AM | 0 recs
The only way to that for me would be debates

in which he repudiated some of the concerns I have about his platform. For example, I see medical bankruptcies continuing to increase under Obama's 'healthcare plan' because it leaves the sickest 20% of Americans out, forcing them to purchase insurance and drugs on the free market as they do now. Thats unacceptable, for a health plan that is supposed to solve a HUGE PROBLEM to only attempt to cover healthy people.


by architek 2008-04-27 06:07AM | 0 recs
Re: The only way to that for me would be debates

Hey architek, can you fill in some gaps on that issue? I was hoping you'd provide some links that more fully explain that. I support Clinton because of her health care proposal; but I would like to know more about your assertion about Obama's health care plan. I know he doesn't have mandates, except for children [which boggles the mind, since the parents of those children will most certainly have a "mandate" won't they? And, so they will be singled out as adults who have a "mandate," after all]

But, aside from the mandates problem for Obama's proposal [which kills the entire proposal altogether in my view, since without mandates, what's the point? It's just another free-market, privatization con] how does this proposal increase medical bankruptcies, in your view?


by Tennessean 2008-04-27 06:40AM | 0 recs
Re: The only way to that for me would be debates

Both of them have taken the wrong tack on health care. Single payer leaves no one out.  Clinton may mandate that people buy private health insurance, but plenty won't -- see MA's example.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-27 07:03AM | 0 recs
They would be enrolled automatically..

and most of us would receive fairy substantial subsidies.. keeping the cost below 5-10% of income for everybody. They would handle the paperwork. The only people who would have to pay directly would be the self employed, it would be taken out of their taxes..and would be less than 5-10% of income (FAR less than most self employed people are paying NOW)

People who were unemployed or self employed would see the biggest improvements. Those are the people who should be suporting Hillary the most. One illness can and OFTEN DOES ruin those people's lives. What are people thinking, that if they get sick and don't pay, they can get away with it?

Things have changed, that is not the case anymore. They will pay, and it will be far more than it would cost to simply deal with the situation now and leverage the situation the most favorably for people (Hillary's) and not for corporations (Obamas)

Odrama buys into the whole consumer-directed healthcare thing with his choice but he only offers the choice to get less healthcare for less money which means MORE GETS LEFT OUT.. it means when you get sick YOU pay more. SO much more that it RUINS people. That approach lets businesses 'offer' healthcare cheaply BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BUYING MUCH. The fact is that business doesnt much cares for sick employees anymore. They want them out of the way and off the payroll when they get sick. Obama's approach helps the healthy look insured but when they actually get sick, it helps them far less because their cheap coverage will not prevent massive bills..

by architek 2008-04-27 08:10AM | 0 recs
Re: The only way to that for me would be debates

That's a ridiculous assertion to make. Practically, the only difference in their plans is that Clinton's is mandatory, Obama's is not.

Obama's mentality is that if people can afford health insurance, they'll buy it. We make it affordable, and that's the most important step. The American people hate to be forced into doing something, especially if it's "for their own good".

You tell me, with a straight face, Clinton would get her healthcare package through congress in a form currently recognizable, since even that small difference I mentioned is enough for you to throw away Obama's entire platform (I'm sure before that, you were well-reasoned and objective on the matter), and I'll be suitably impressed.

by ragekage 2008-04-27 07:20AM | 0 recs
Ragekage.. a simple question..

HOW do YOU make healthcare affordable?

You say you are in med school, you have loans to pay off. You will need to get paid. Multiply that by 10 million plus major corporations all wanting their slice to increase not decrease and you get the picture. That is why they and you are afraid of Hillary, right?


by architek 2008-04-27 08:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Ragekage.. a simple question..

I make HEALTHCARE affordable by WORKING FULL TIME in addition to going to school full-time. Technically, I'm in nursing school, and hopefully a lot of my loans will be forgiven- if I work in an inner-city, for instance.

But, come on, Arch. Obama is getting so much money from millions of individual people. Using that against him just detracts from your point, which could be valid if you used it without delving into "untruthitudes" and demagoguery.

by ragekage 2008-04-27 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty

Can we move away from the word "Messiah" unless it is a discussion concerning the New Testament?

by nogo war 2008-04-27 06:11AM | 0 recs

and while we are at it lets keep kool-aid references to a minimum.

I don't think anyone here is looking for a savior in a politician.

by Student Guy 2008-04-27 06:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty
Can we also move from the word "Boy" when speaking about an African American?
Its ugly history is still in people's memories.
by johnnygunn 2008-04-27 07:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty

Are you for real??

by frankies 2008-04-27 07:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty

Do you know the use of "Boy"?
Yes, I am for real.

"Boy" has been used for centuries to demean African American men in a racist society.  Unless, you are willing to concede that all vestiges of racism have been erased from American society (See recent NYC shooting verdict) then it behooves those of us who wish to improve the racial dialogue to refrain from using references that have had a brutal racist past.

by johnnygunn 2008-04-27 07:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty

The messiah word (in translation) existed before the New Testament and for a long time has been used in other places than the New Testament.

I will not be joining the people who want to  "move away from the word "messiah" unless it is a discussion concerning the New Testament".

I will not even be joining the people that disapproved of the Life of Brian (and when that film used both the messiah and boy word I laughed).

by My Ob 2008-04-27 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty

he isnt the messiah? someone forget to tell his worshippers.

sorry wont be supporting him in november.

he is filth.

by zane 2008-04-27 06:37AM | 0 recs
you are filth

for your demeaning "worshipers" bullshit

give it up

by citizendave 2008-04-27 06:51AM | 0 recs
Re: you are filth

you musnt speak like that, salvation can only come through blind worship of the obamamessiah.

It is in the good book. "And Obama spaketh to Moses "Its Time for Change" and the israelites did tremble" oh wait thats right this Obama messiah is not in favour of israelites.

by zane 2008-04-27 07:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty

Don't give the above comment a hide rating.

Leave it up there so everyone can see that campskunk actually gave a posting calling one of our candidates "filth"  a mojo rating.

Both of our candidates are intelligent, dedicated Democrats that we should be happy to have on the ballot.  They weren't my first or even second choice, but I'll take our bench over the Republican starters any day.

Filth indeed, campskunk.

by emptythreatsfarm 2008-04-27 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty

but its fine to call hillary a whore a monster a fascist a bitch a republican.

by zane 2008-04-27 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty
It's not fine to do EITHER.
by johnnygunn 2008-04-27 07:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty

No, it's not.

And I've given a couple of users hear TRs or hides for writing sexist, misogynistic comments about Clinton.

But, despite some claims to the contrary, there seems to be a lot more posters around lately skirting the racism line than the sexism line.

I wonder why that is.

by emptythreatsfarm 2008-04-27 11:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty

I despise campskunk.

by zep93 2008-04-27 07:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty

And 4justice joins campskunk in thinking it's great to call one of the candidates filth and to demean half of democratic voters.

by Obama Independent 2008-04-27 07:51AM | 0 recs
It gets better.

4justice also bestowed mojo on racist comments in this thread. What a prize.

by MBNYC 2008-04-27 08:13AM | 0 recs

At least now we know that campskunk and 4justice have no standards whatsoever when it comes to uprating anti-Obama hate.

Oh, wait, wait, I know: it's because someone said something mean about Hillary on Daily Kos!

by MBNYC 2008-04-27 07:52AM | 0 recs
He is neither

He is a politician, a great orator, an inspirational speaker, a freshman senator, who needs to answer the voters questions, and needs to show us he can defeat McCain in the fall.  

If he can do that, I will gladly vote for him if he is the nominee.  Right now, I 've got questions and I know he can answer them if he puts himself into it.

by 4justice 2008-04-27 06:44AM | 0 recs
Re: He is neither

Honestly, this is the most intelligent thing I've heard you say. This is what all Clinton supporters should say if they are concerned; you have very reasonable qualms that you express there, and Obama ignores them at his own peril.

Mojo to you, sir, and a great deal of respect for joining the dialog rather than perpetuating the divide.

by ragekage 2008-04-27 07:21AM | 0 recs
Why the hell

did you uprate the comment above calling Obama "filth"? Is it because you have no standards whatsoever, because you treat the ratings system as a team sport and you don't care, or what?

by MBNYC 2008-04-27 07:53AM | 0 recs
Come to think of it

now that we've established that you hate Obama enough to say that hell yes, he is filth, can you explain why you also uprated the racist comments in this thread?

You need to have your ratings ability yanked.

by MBNYC 2008-04-27 08:01AM | 0 recs

This diary seemed kind of dumb to me, frankly.

by bobbank 2008-04-27 07:10AM | 0 recs
Hear hear


by Student Guy 2008-04-27 07:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Eh

Obviously not a Monty Python fan.

And saying that Senator Clinton has already lost the nomination and that people should  back Senator Obama is no more dumb than saying Clinton can still win it.

Just my observation, my point of view.

by My Ob 2008-04-27 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty

Put it this way, any Democrat that sings the praises of Ronald Reagan will never get my vote!

by wblynch 2008-04-27 07:46PM | 0 recs


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