GBCW diaries and other trivia - update on grassrootsorganizer

In recent days, there have been several diaries bemoaning the level of discord on this site. There have been other diaries that started flame wars that lasted for days. The sad thing about these occurrences is that it is nothing new.

On June 28th, I wrote a diary about the same problem. Mine was titled "Petition to site moderators and owner". It proved fairly popular. It garnered almost 30 recs and generated 165 comments. That makes it obvious that this is an ongoing problem.

There have been several diaries like mine that try to get the site back on track. Most users come here because they believe it is a site dedicated to progressive values and to getting more progressives elected. What they have been finding since this election cycle started is something entirely different.

One valuable contributor to this site finally had enough and wrote a diary that was in some ways similar to mine. Grassrootsorganizer had already contributed several excellent diaries to the site. She was a much needed voice of sanity in the constant troll wars. Her diary was deleted and her account was blocked shortly after that diary was posted. This was quite a shock to most regular users who were familiar with her postings.

She sent me an email earlier today to explain what had happened. I had made a comment in a thread that made it obvious I hadn't known about her getting banned. She decided to fill me in about it. I wrote back asking permission to use quotes from her email in a diary and she gave me the go-ahead. Here is what she had to say about the event.

I'm writing you about your recent comment on MyDD about my diary on Saturday.  So you know, not only was my diary deleted but I was completely banned -- can't post, rate, rec or comment...

The title of the diary was "MyDD: not safe for Democrats and other living things"
It did not slam the administrators or any other posters specifically.  It only said I had gone through the sad process that morning of removing MyDD from my toolbar because I was finding the place destructive to my morale.  I wrote I was tired of waking up every morning and spending most evenings defending the party's candidate from malicious lies and slurs.  I wrote about coming there to engage in intelligent debate and the trade of informed comment and how I had grown tired of recommending substantive diaries only to see them shoved off the rec list by a never-ending supply of troll related diaries.  I also wrote that you know a political forum has jumped the shark when the discussion shifts to personal issues entirely, for example, why my inner child doesn't trust Obama.
MY biggest point however was that the place was sucking the oxygen out of my resolve to see Obama elected -- it was turning me against my fellow Democrats and sapping energy from my support for Obama.  I also made the point that if I wanted to stay in touch with the latest breaking garbage on Obama I didn't need to go over to Redstate, I could count on finding it there first.  
My intent was to start a reasoned discussion on how the nature of the site was effecting folks.  But within two minutes it was on the rec list and within ten minutes it was gone, and so was my account.

I find it completely bewildering why a site would ban someone like grassrootsorganizer and at the same time allow users like this one or this one to continue to post. Many other users wonder the same thing.

Speculating about the thought processes of the mods or owner on this site may be useless, but I do think one of the reasons is based purely on ad revenue. Issues diaries and ones that are positive about the candidates get little attention, and therefore few page views. The controversial diaries get lots of comments and draw visitors from noquarter and other anti-Obama sites.

If I was running the site I'd be very leery about trying to calm things down. Cutting ad revenue means cutting resources dedicated to the site. I can see why the discord has been allowed to run unchecked on the site, since all sites are supported by advertising.

What I don't understand is banning good progressives and letting trolls post whatever they want. It makes me wonder just how dedicated this site is to progessive values. It appears as if it might actually be part of the 2012 Clinton campaign.

Whatever the reason for the way the moderation on this site operates, I'm going to start devoting my time and writing skills to other sites. I came here to be a part of this exciting time in the progressive movement. It's pretty obvious that I'm wasting my time here and letting this historic moment pass me by. That's not something I want to happen.

It won't really matter if I get banned for this diary. I'm not going to waste any more time fighting trolls. The 'Net is a big place. This is only one site out of billions. There are dozens of good progressive sites out there.

Have fun, everyone. See you around the blogosphere. This isn't GBCW it is GBMYDD.

Tags: banned, Blogosphere, blogs, MyDD, Politics, trolls (all tags)

Comments

84 Comments

(Peers head in a bit)

Godspeed.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-08-04 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: (Peers head in a bit)

I thought you were leaving, didn't you write a GBCW diary yesterday?

Go already.

by rankles 2008-08-04 09:15PM | 0 recs
Re: (Peers head in a bit)

Oh, and this is for the author.

lol

by rankles 2008-08-04 09:16PM | 0 recs
Re: (Peers head in a bit)

A quote from The Mummy springs to mind:

"Nasty little fellows such as yourself always get their comeuppance."
"Hehehehehe.... they do?"

by Cincinnatus 2008-08-04 10:34PM | 0 recs
Re: (Peers head in a bit)

Uprated because, c'mon, it's really funny  :)

by ChitownDenny 2008-08-05 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: (Peers head in a bit)

You haven't been paying attention Chitown. He's posted this everywhere, dozens of times, in the last few days. No matter how generous you feel, this is a content free trollable comment.

Don't feed the trolls

(and believe me, this is a real troll)

by duende 2008-08-05 09:08AM | 0 recs
Re: (Peers head in a bit)

This is the first time I've seen this video, which is probably why I found it so funny.  Certainly aware of rankles pov; a pov I do not support.  But, the video is funny.  :)

by ChitownDenny 2008-08-05 10:50AM | 0 recs
In all humility

If you think Rankles has a POV then I think you need to look again

by duende 2008-08-05 11:30AM | 0 recs
Re: (Peers head in a bit)

I'll see you out there in the blogosphere, Reaper.

by MS01 Indie 2008-08-05 10:17AM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries

rec'd

by QTG 2008-08-04 05:43PM | 0 recs
There is no 2012 Clinton campaign.

I doubt there ever will be.

But I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I liked you, just as I liked GRO, and I hate to see you go.

Still, it's perfectly understandable. Hope to run into you at DKos or elsewhere sometime. Good luck.

by sricki 2008-08-04 05:44PM | 0 recs
Re: There is no 2012 Clinton campaign.

Even if BHO is in office (which is looking far less likely every day), HRC has every right to take him on in the 2012 primary.  There's no law that says you cannot challenge a sitting President in a primary.  She received more popular votes than him this year after all, and should give the rest of the Democratic voters a chance to correct their mistake.

by BlueDoggyDogg 2008-08-04 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: There is no 2012 Clinton campaign.

Haha holy jeez.  Of course she has every right to challenge him should he win in '08... you have every right to challenge him in a primary as well.  The difference is that Hillary Clinton wouldn't kamikaze a sitting Democratic president, while you seem to be perfectly happy with the notion.

BlueDoggyDogg in 2012!  You get my vote.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-08-04 06:37PM | 0 recs
I'm banned too...
no fucking reason that I can tell.
(this is RisingTide, on default "they banned me, wtf?" account).
by BlogSurrogate57 2008-08-05 06:28AM | 0 recs
Oh, hey.

Hate that you got banned, but I'm glad you're still here. The arbitrary bannings are disturbing. I've long been upset with the way this site has been moderated.

by sricki 2008-08-05 06:34AM | 0 recs
I agree. dkos may tend to swarm trolls

(and I gotta ask what you're supposed to do about good liberals who turn trollish, get banned for paranoia, and still have good things to contribute...)

But when I can't even find one troll rating... sigh

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-08-05 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: There is no 2012 Clinton campaign.

I'll miss your writing and calming presence, sricki. Maybe I'll drop into C4O once in awhile to see if you've written anything. Take care.

by MS01 Indie 2008-08-05 10:18AM | 0 recs
true words

Speculating about the thought processes of the mods or owner on this site may be useless, but I do think one of the reasons is based purely on ad revenue. Issues diaries and ones that are positive about the candidates get little attention, and therefore few page views. The controversial diaries get lots of comments and draw visitors from noquarter and other anti-Obama sites.

If I was running the site I'd be very leery about trying to calm things down. Cutting ad revenue means cutting resources dedicated to the site. I can see why the discord has been allowed to run unchecked on the site, since all sites are supported by advertising.

Ever wonder why people continually brought up the fact that the Hillaryis44 crowd were pimping their diaries over there to get on the rec list over here? Wonder why the administrators didn't care? Page hits, baby. They don't care where they come from, so long as they get 'em.

Best of luck to you.

by upstate girl 2008-08-04 05:51PM | 0 recs
Re: true words

Good luck fighting the trolls on here, upstate girl. It's a never-ending battle.

by MS01 Indie 2008-08-05 10:20AM | 0 recs
I'd write a GBCW, but I'm too lazy.

Rec'd for the simple fact that if a user like grassrootsorganizer gets banned, how on Earth are users like yellowdem1129, chancecoke, and jacob freeze still around?

Let's be honest here.. trolling is obviously tolerated by the admins and the ratings system has been declared broken by the founder of the site, so I think it would be incredibly useful for the admins to create an updated rules section so we know exactly what they deem to be bannable offenses.  Lately, it feels like prison rules.

Anyway, MS01, it's been a pleasure.  Good luck.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-08-04 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: I'd write a GBCW, but I'm too lazy.
the ratings system has been declared broken by the founder of the site,

don't worry, they're fixing it. Any day now. Aaaaaany day now....
by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-08-04 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: I'd write a GBCW, but I'm too lazy.

"Anyway, MS01, it's been a pleasure.  Good luck."

Likewise, thatpurplestuff. Take care.

by MS01 Indie 2008-08-05 10:21AM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia

"the place was sucking the oxygen out of my resolve to see Obama elected"

This is exactly what our opponents want to achieve. They're very worried about the excitement that has brewed around our candidate. They're desperate to reduce that enthusiasm by any means necessary.

Trolling liberal blogs, the way they've been trolling this one, is in keeping with this strategy. If they can get people not only less excited about Obama, but less excited about politics in general, they might even get some Democrats to stay home in November, helping the GOPs downticket efforts.

I can see a specific desire among those coming here to post to make people doubtful, depressed, and demoralized. Why participants at this site are forced to constantly ward off these malicious individuals is hinted at in your diary: page views. I made the same point in Reaper's GBCW.

But what's gained in revenue has been lost in relevance.

by BobzCat 2008-08-04 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia

I'm a big fan of terrible posts leading to bans. Too bad they didn't do it more during the primary.

Also what is with people complaining about the content/caliber of MyDD? It's mostly candidate/issues diaries on rec, as opposed to the self-destructive anti-Obama screeds rec'd up by some annointed inner-circle during the primary. What's not to like?

If you don't like Obama, read the non-Obama issues or candidate diaries. These seem to constitute no fewer than 3 slots on rec and no more than one of three front page/top posts. That is when it the page isn't under attack by the Petulant United Mongoloid Asshats spouting off about how it's the end of the internet world every other day... those posts tend to skew the data.

by notxjack 2008-08-04 06:20PM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia - update on gras

interesting reading (right there in the sidebar!)
http://web.blogads.com/advertise/liberal _blog_advertising_network

I also noticed an ad running today for Allstate.  here's some fun reading on Allstate.  http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/sou thcentral/2007/08/08/82512.htm

University of Pheonix.......

Oh man!  I just clicked back over and JACKPOT!  ...
DISNEY!  Your page hits are providing revenue for this site from DISNEY!  IT don't get no better than that!  (cooome oooooooon, Walmart!)

by GRO 2008-08-04 06:24PM | 0 recs
OMG

The National Guard!

Okay, that beats the snot right out of Disney!

Coooommme Ooonn Walmart!

by GRO 2008-08-04 06:36PM | 0 recs
Re: OMG

You realize that webmasters have very little control over what ads do and don't make it on their site? Unless they don't do an ad service, which in terms of finances is a kiss of death, you basically get whatever client of the ad service paid for the banner.

Basically, get the fuck out. Didn't you GBCW already? Or is this shitpost referencing a different shitposting GRO?

by notxjack 2008-08-05 05:31AM | 0 recs
Re: OMG

You're still here?

by William Cooper 2008-08-05 05:58AM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia - update on gras

MS01,

I'll miss your work.

I feel very strongly about this issue, so thank you for posting it.

Highly Rec'd

by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem 2008-08-04 06:45PM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia - update on gras

Good luck, Purple. It's been fun, at times. I've decided that this moment in history is just too important to piss it away in flame wars with trolls.

by MS01 Indie 2008-08-05 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia - update on gras

I'm heading to the door also.  I just put my GBCW diary up.

Please stay in touch.  I dropped my e-mail address in the diary.

Good luck!

-Chris

by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem 2008-08-05 10:29AM | 0 recs
Know the feeling...

Honestly, I don't know how much longer I can hold out either.  In any event, you'll be missed.

by fogiv 2008-08-04 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Know the feeling...

I wouldn't worry about it. If you treat this site as the comical primary-dead-ender and McTroll playground that it is, you'll be fine. If you expect nothing from a site, it's hard to ever feel let down.

Back in the heat of the primary, I was practically giving myself a coronary over how far the  "blogfather's" home base was falling. For a brief while, I'd spend hours a day refuting attacks on Obama with long, thoroughly-sourced responses. And now? Now I don't even a give a shit. I just stop in every few days to play with the trolls and have a few giggles.

Meanwhile, if you want real political analysis, discussion and commentary, there are a bajillion high-quality progressive blogs out there.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-08-04 07:52PM | 0 recs
haha..now this comment is true snark...

Now I don't even a give a shit. I just stop in every few days to play with the trolls and have a few giggles

Glad you said the truth about yourself.

by louisprandtl 2008-08-04 08:36PM | 0 recs
Re: haha..now this comment is true snark...

Now you're going to follow me from thread to thread? How, um, stalker-ish.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-08-04 08:38PM | 0 recs
ah..don't worry...its hard to follow the random

walk of the self proclaimed Troll..see ya'h around..

by louisprandtl 2008-08-04 08:46PM | 0 recs
Re: ah..don't worry...its hard to follow

Seriously, your comments aren't even making sense at this point. Either you're very tired, very drunk or very unintelligent. Being the kind soul that I am, I'll just assume you need a nap.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-08-04 08:50PM | 0 recs
My utmost sympathies for your utter lack of

comprehension ability. Please accept my deepest apologies. Seriously do you need any help?

by louisprandtl 2008-08-04 08:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Know the feeling...

It's true; for actual content and progressive values, this site is useless.  If you accept that fact then it's no problem - you can come here to argue with dullards, toss around one liners, and go to real progressive sites for real progressive causes.

by Jess81 2008-08-04 11:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Know the feeling...

I'll miss some of the people on this site, fogiv. You are one of them. You were often a voice of reason when a lot of other people were losing their heads. Take care.

by MS01 Indie 2008-08-05 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Know the feeling...

You too.  Should you find a new spot to hang your hat, by all means let me know.  Contact addy on my user page.

Cheers!

by fogiv 2008-08-06 11:29AM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia - update on gras

We are going to be in SO much trouble when Dad gets home.

by GRO 2008-08-04 07:18PM | 0 recs
Thank you

For your contributions to the board. This place is starting to go over the top; and God knows I've given it quite a bit more leeway than most people. Banning grassrootsorganizer was unacceptable.

by zcflint05 2008-08-04 07:35PM | 0 recs
Ummm...

Chris, why the HR? I think it's probably a mistake...but just checking.

by zcflint05 2008-08-05 03:40AM | 0 recs
Found and fixed

Thanks.

I like the button rating better, much much harder to screw up...

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-08-05 04:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you

You've always been one of the moderating influences on the board, zcflint. I'm not one of those that resent the C4O crowd. I think they are a valuable balance to the site. Sometimes one will go over the top, as happened in the diary that started the latest flame war, but for the most part, these users are an important part of the site. Good luck.

by MS01 Indie 2008-08-05 10:29AM | 0 recs
We hardly knew ye...

seriously.  Things may calm down.  The recent "tightening" of the polls has created a lot of troll feed.

by JJE 2008-08-04 07:40PM | 0 recs
don't go

I gotta say I think this is a cop out a little. I like you and what you have to say and think you should use this as motivation to really get this site back. Should have said the same thing to Reaper. I don't want you guys to leave!

by wasder 2008-08-04 07:51PM | 0 recs
Re: don't go

It's not really my responsibility to get this site back from the trolls. That's the job of the moderators. I don't see why I should continue to contribute content to a site that allows postings by homophobes, McCain boosters, and anti-Obama users. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of other sites out there where I can make a contribution. This site reminds me of a favorite bar that has gone downhill. The crowd is a little seedier than it used to be, so now it's time to find a new hangout.

by MS01 Indie 2008-08-04 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: don't go

I know its not your responsibility or your job to police this place, but somehow just walking away from a situation like this is not too satisfying either. I wish the mods would write something in response to all of this, but really any site like this is only as good as the people who write here and if everyone like you and reaper leave then we are left with a pretty sorry site.

by wasder 2008-08-04 08:36PM | 0 recs
Re: don't go

THis site repsects free speech.  If you don't leave already, sheesh.  Go back to DKOS.

by rankles 2008-08-04 09:20PM | 0 recs
Did I miss something?

Reaper's leaving too?

And I'd be very sorry to see you go, Indy. You're one of the few voices of moderation left on this blog.

by Sumo Vita 2008-08-04 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Did I miss something?

Take care Sumo Vita. I've enjoyed reading your posts on this site. Keep up the good work.

by MS01 Indie 2008-08-05 10:30AM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia - update on gras

Jeez, I only started posting a week ago, and now most of the posters I really admired on this site are already taking off. After about five days of posting I inexplicably had my ability to rate taken away despite never downrating a comment and never having any of mine downrated. Now diarists like you and Reaper headed out, I don't see much of a reason for me to stick around either.

One other thing I'd ask, though, is if you know of any good alternatives to MyDD. I really would like to find a good progressive blog to frequent, and while I like kos for news, it's a bit big for my tastes.

by Cincinnatus 2008-08-04 10:21PM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia

Here are a few of my suggestions:

Hullabaloo aka, Digby's blog

Glenn Greenwald at Salon

Talking Points Memo

Bag News Notes a photo blog with some great analysis

by skohayes 2008-08-05 03:01AM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia - update on gras

You might find what you are looking for on a state-level site. There are quite a few out there. They are usually lower-traffic, so you don't get lost in the crowd.

by MS01 Indie 2008-08-05 10:31AM | 0 recs
sorry to see you go.

but tired of these types of diaries so won't comment on the content.  good luck!

by canadian gal 2008-08-04 10:49PM | 0 recs
Re: sorry to see you go.

CG - can you guys at C40 set up a subsection of your site called DemsforMYDD, so that people like Gro who are banned here, or those who are thinking of leaving, can share common ground?

I'm half kidding. Maybe I'm too inept to set up the site myself. Any other offers?

by duende 2008-08-05 06:18AM | 0 recs
that's a great idea.

i will forward this to the other members and see what we can come up.

by canadian gal 2008-08-05 06:54AM | 0 recs
Re: that's a great idea.

CG - If you can set that up, I will move my business to that site, from MyDD.

I really like hanging out with you guys, but the inmates run the asylum now.

-Chris

by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem 2008-08-05 09:37AM | 0 recs
We are many: they are few

I'm just writing a piece on the flame wars, and now all this starts up. There was hope for this site for a while, especially with the C4O crowd coming round to Obama.

My suggestion is that we hold fire UNTIL we can some response from the admins. Are they sleeping? Don't they see what Rankles and his ilk are doing.

Four months ago I outed a couple of republicans on this site who confessed their allegiance, and said "We'll be back in four months"

Jerome, Todd etc - they're here! Can't you see what they'd doing to the grandfather of blogs?

If Grassrootsorganiser, a former Clinton supporter, gets booted for merely drawing attention to the presence of trolls, then there is no law, no moderation here.

Perhaps we should all hold out for a few days - keep in contact - and see if we get some response

So don't go yet: hold out and see if this beginning of an exodus makes the admins pay attention

If it doesn't, I'm off too

by duende 2008-08-05 02:58AM | 0 recs
Re: We are many: they are few

Hate to say it Duende because I like your writing and enjoy your comments, but the flame wars diary was the unfortunate beginning to this round of skirmishing. I think it was just like scratching at a scab that has just started to heal. I am sure you didn't mean it that way though.

by wasder 2008-08-05 04:59AM | 0 recs
You're entitled to your point of view

Though I heard the flames were lapping around well beforehand - I was away a lot of July.

I had no intention of stirring it up as you know, and if you look at the diary it was mainly nostalgic.

by duende 2008-08-05 05:30AM | 0 recs
Re: You're entitled to your point of view

Are you still here?

Be gone, back to KOS you troll.

by William Cooper 2008-08-05 06:01AM | 0 recs
don't be cranky Billy

Mommy will have your juice box in a little bit.

by JJE 2008-08-05 07:18AM | 0 recs
Re: You're entitled to your point of view

I am not trying to be harsh here and I know the spirit you meant the post in but I remember having a gnawing feeling that while reading your post and the comments it engendered that it was going to have a negative effect on the level of dialogue here and I was right. Not blaming you--just talking out loud.

by wasder 2008-08-05 08:36AM | 0 recs
the above was to duende

just clarifying

by wasder 2008-08-05 08:40AM | 0 recs
The admins don't control our choices.

The moderation on this site has always been sporadic. It reflects the amount of time that the admins are able or willing to put into it, and I don't really see that changing.

The repetitive, mindless trolling of the rankles kind needs to be reported, not just called out from within diaries.  I suspect that sufficient numbers of direct complaints will induce a response. It might help if those in the know could remind others in their responses of how to contact the moderators.

Further, there's no dichotomy of choices in the blogosphere - it needn't be an either/or matter. One could favor other sites during troll-intensive periods, especially if the trolls are getting to one - but let's fight the temptation to abandon ship altogether just yet.

Back to the barricades, men!

by Sumo Vita 2008-08-05 10:45AM | 0 recs
One thing that makes me stay...

...is that, if the troll above comment's are anything to go by, is that we're giving them what they want: they want to sow division, exploit the fractures of the primary wars, end the debate on this site.

Admins - see who wants long term members to abandon this site

I think we should hold out, and wait to see if Jerome can fix this. He should be able to. In the meantime, rather than go out with a whimper, why not follow the model of Clintonistas for Obama, and set up our own blog (invites only) where we can stay in contact.

There's no site with this kind of scale or intimacy or reach that I've ever found. If I had, i would join you all there.

Who's good at setting up blogs?

by duende 2008-08-05 06:15AM | 0 recs
Re: One thing that makes me stay...

If Jerome wanted to fix this he would have already fixed it.  It isn't that hard to tell who the trolls are and ban them (over and over if necessary).  It isn't that difficult to make getting on the rec list harder.  

Jerome had no problem taking away my ability to rec diaries back when he was openly against Obama.  

There's no site with this kind of scale or intimacy or reach that I've ever found. If I had, i would join you all there.

Who's good at setting up blogs?

That is why many people won't give up on MyDD.  Its size, reach and set up make it unique among progressive blogs.  If there were an alternative where the worst of the trolls couldn't follow us I think there would have been a mass exodus already.  

 

by Blue Neponset 2008-08-05 06:26AM | 0 recs
Re: One thing that makes me stay...

"One thing that makes me stay... (none / 0)

...is that, if the troll above comment's are anything to go by, is that we're giving them what they want: they want to sow division, exploit the fractures of the primary wars, end the debate on this site."

this is what I was trying to say to Indy and reaper yesterday. Leaving now just means the trolls win and thats a big drag. But I also agree that if Jerome wanted to change what was going on he would have done something already. I can't fathom the strategy of the site admins at this point.

by wasder 2008-08-05 08:38AM | 0 recs
Re: One thing that makes me stay...

I don't see it as giving in to the trolls. Let them stay here and have a circle-jerk. There are lots of other sites that don't put up with their nonsense. Staying here and engaging them is what encourages them. If this was one of only a few sites for progressives I'd agree with you. That's not true.

One way to battle this is to start shame recing every bad diary. If the user contributed diary list starts looking like a joke then Jerome will lose much of his credibility in the blogosphere. That might affect his television and radio appearances. You can bet that will get his attention.

by MS01 Indie 2008-08-05 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia
You and I have disagreed more often than not.  And this diary is not the exception.  I read the diary you referenced and can only liken it to a guest coming into my home, peeing on my hardwood floors, and being shocked that I would ask this guest to leave.  
I certaninly enjoy a good debate.  As such, I hope you will reconsider leaving.
by ChitownDenny 2008-08-05 08:25AM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia

Chitown. I know you've posted on the front page and all, but since when was this YOUR place, your hardwood floor.

We build the ground between us, don't you think, even in some of the toughest arguments.

by duende 2008-08-05 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia

I'm not sure my analogy hit home.  This is the moderators' site.  They call the shots.  It seems to me they are quite liberal in what they allow.   However, they certainly would be dipleased, to say the least, to have a diary, that was rec'd, calling them out.  I don't think that is too hard to understand.  And that's the only point I'm making.

by ChitownDenny 2008-08-05 10:45AM | 0 recs
Aah, I recognize that phrasing.

 (...) can only liken it to a guest coming into my home, peeing on my hardwood floors, and being shocked that I would ask this guest to leave.

Post on redstate much, Chitown?  You sound exactly like those authoritarian jackasses trying to be pithy.

You've shown admirable restraint these past few months, showing your true colors only in flashes.  It's interesting that you know mostly post meta-stuff dripping with appeals to respect.  Tip: the sig's a little off.  There are better and more subtle ways to sow dissention.

I just hope it doesn't give you an ulcer.  To quote Vonnegut from his disturbing masterpiece Mother Night:

 Be careful what you pretend to be, because you are what you pretend to be.

by corph 2008-08-05 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Aah, I recognize that phrasing.
"Post on redstate..."
ugh!  Just not worthy of the effort to type this response.
by ChitownDenny 2008-08-05 10:54AM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia -

Indie,  not you too!  I too am disturbed by the lack of moderation here, but I'm far more upset by this sudden mass exodus of all my favorite diarists.  I completely understand everyone's frustrations here, but personally I really enjoy the unique intimacy of this site and I'm not ready to give that up quite yet.  For as much as I love reading DailyKos, I feel lost in the enormity of it.  I just don't enjoy having discussions there.

by Tenafly Viper 2008-08-05 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia -

Sorry, Tenafly. I've had enough. If there was any sign the mods would make an effort to clean up the site I might stay around. Unfortunately, they won't even acknowledge that there's a problem. I posted this comment in reply to a comment by Jerome in another diary. He didn't even deign to reply to it. Why should any of us care about this site when the owner doesn't care?

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/8/4/22 2711/6341/#65

Re: Do the moderators actually read things before (2.00 / 2)

Jerome, as I mentioned in this diary, there have been many diaries on this same subject. It would be a great help if you or one of the moderators addressed the issue in a diary.

The user-contributed section of this blog has been in disarray for quite awhile. Valuable contributers are continuing to write GBCW diaries and leaving the site. Trolls, like William Cooper, BlueDoggyDog (who is active in this thread), Jerome Freeze, chancecoke (who has a diary in the recent diary list), and their like trample unfettered over the conversation on this site.

It's time for me to take a break from this site. I'll check back in after the convention to see if things have improved. Hopefully, MYDD can return to its rightful place in the progressive blogosphere. I wish you luck.

by MS01 Indie 2008-08-05 10:12AM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia - update on gras

First, I agree with you that no one should be banned unless they violate the specific terms of the site (abusing their TR privileges, spewing hatred, inciting violence, using a high number of insulting/nasty words.   Certainly the diary you quote from grassroots did not deserve that.   I think what we have here at mydd are administrators who aren't very consistent and, like a bad home plate umpire, can't keep their strike zone straight.  

Second, I disagree with you about the diaries you cite as examples of people who should NOT stay:   Um ... since when is enumerating Bill Clinton's accomplishments a punishable offense?  Oh.  Right.  Since Obama Nation with its strict censorship policies moved in.

by miker2008 2008-08-05 09:56AM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia - update on gras

Take a look at a few of that user's other diaries and come back and tell me you don't think he's too bad.

by MS01 Indie 2008-08-05 10:08AM | 0 recs
Re: GBCW diaries and other trivia - update on gras

In a society based on free speech, it's important to focus on the words, not the person.   There is way too much ad hominem attack going on around here.  

This country was based on the right of anyone to try to persuade others using arguments, logic, and facts.   Censoring someone because you don't agree with things he has said in the past ... um I think that's called a 'repressive regime.'

The way it works in our country is this.  If a person says stupid stuff, don't censor him just ignore him.  His stupidity will shine through and he will not sway anyone.  

Attempting to censor people is a sign of fear and weakness. Fear that your own beliefs aren't persuasive enough, and may actually be incorrect.   Tough, that's how the system works.

Liberal blogosphere has the 'repressive regime' feel.  Lots of thugs yelling "He's not one of us, he's one of THEM!  So let's GET im".    That's ugly, man.   And very counter to what democracy is about.

by miker2008 2008-08-05 11:26AM | 0 recs
Everyone take a deep breath.

Yes, the trolls are getting out of hand. Yes, it's getting to be a thankless and tiresome job keeping this site honest.

But as DKos's blogfather, I don't think MyDD is just another blog. That's the reason I first thought to visit, and likely the reason others continue to do so. It will always occupy a special place in the blogosphere, and I for one believe there's still a real need to engage the frequent troll eruptions.

Maybe "out of sight, out of mind" works for some of you. And when you find a comparable home that doesn't test your sanity as much, do leave us a forwarding address. Heavens knows we may need to man the lifeboats at some point. But until then, we'll keep fighting the good fight, and wish you luck with the same.

by Sumo Vita 2008-08-05 10:22AM | 0 recs
Good Luck MS01

If you find a good site to replace MYDD please stop by and let us know.  I enjoyed reading your stuff here.  Take care.

by Blue Neponset 2008-08-05 11:13AM | 0 recs

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