Hillary for VP

Obama supporters, what gives?  Cheer up.  Your guy won.  The threads on including Hillary on the ticket are so short-sighted and depressing.  Obama doesn't need a white guy to win Appalachia.  He doesn't need a woman to win the Hillary Clinton Democrats.  He doesn't need a southerner to win NC.  He doesn't need a libertarian Democrat to win the mountain west.  He doesn't need a latino to win latinos.  He doesn't need an old guy to win the elderly.  He doesn't need Hillary to win.

He'll win.  It's a crap year to be a Republican.  But our Party split in two in this primary and there's a good solution to that, run together.  It would be fun, and cheery, and unifying and happy.  See Todd Beeton's post on what Jesse Jackson has to say on this.  He's gets it.  Run them together and you start with 36 million voters.  Hillary Clinton Democrats miss her already.  Think of all those jolly activists if we just run them together.  I think Democrats, even those who don't know it yet, would feel thrilled to particpate.  Talk about fufilling Martin Luther King JR's Dream in one swoop.  I can just see happy, peppy phone bankers and canvassers.  Chelsea on the trial for the Dream Team.  Bill in the rurals, working states like West Virgina and Kentucky, maybe even flipping Tennessee(dare we dream?).  Hillary with the women, maybe even flipping South Dakota(dare we dream?), working states like North Carolina where she currently out polls McCain by almost ten points.  And, working the latinos in states like Texas and Nevada.  Obama devoting much of his time to the Mountain West, maybe even flipping Montana(dare we dream?).  Michelle working the urbans and particularly activating african americans, maybe even flipping Mississippi(dare we dream?).  We would win in a landslide.  We'd be telling the country Democrats are a family and a great brand, we are new and old, black and white, red and brown and yellow, gay and straight, smart and accomplished, we are united and you'll love our club.  

I don't understand it.  Forget polling, forget conventional wisdom, forget Clinton hate, racism and sexism.  We can do this together.  And, we'll be better for it.  It'll the most fun election of our lifetimes and every single child in America will be better off for it.

Barack and Hillary, together we can!

Tags: Blast, fun, Hillary, mandate, obama, party, Together We Can, unity, VP (all tags)



Re: Hillary for VP

yeah, guys, cheer up. don't be hatin' ;-)

by campskunk 2008-06-09 03:15PM | 0 recs
I'm not hatin'...

In fact, I'm thrilled I'm not the only one who thinks "The O/C Ticket" is the BEST. TICKET. EVAH!!!! :-)

by atdleft 2008-06-09 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not hatin'...

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:36PM | 0 recs
I'm not hatin'...

In fact, I agree that "The O/C Ticket" is the ultimate winner for Democrats this year! :-)

by atdleft 2008-06-09 03:19PM | 0 recs

I double posted... Sorry!

by atdleft 2008-06-09 03:20PM | 0 recs
It's ok.

You are just excited.  You are cheery and happy, that's why you can see it.  :)

by masslib1 2008-06-09 03:22PM | 0 recs
Re: The will of a clear majority of the party

In the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update (based on June 6-8 data), 53% of Democrats say Obama should pick his former nomination rival for vice president, while 36% say he should choose someone else.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107764/Gallup -Daily-Obama-Takes-Lead-Over-McCain-48-4 2.aspx

by phoenixdreamz 2008-06-09 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: The will of a clear majority of the party

Let me know what the polls say at the end of July. If they haven't changed, then the argument gets stronger.

At this point, it's only been two days since her concession. I expect those numbers to move once everyone catches their breath.

by BobzCat 2008-06-09 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: The will of a clear majority of the party

These polls don't matter now.  Watch the polls by the end of July, early August.  Those are the ones that matter.  Not these emotional polls out now.

by Edna Howard 2008-06-09 08:11PM | 0 recs
Obama-Clinton '08...

The ultimate winning ticket for me! :-)

by atdleft 2008-06-09 03:16PM | 0 recs
I agree

for the most part.

I do think it would be a strong ticket.

by kevin22262 2008-06-09 03:19PM | 0 recs
And, fun, Kevin.

It would be fun.  I can't remember a fun Presidential election in my life.  And, they look great together.  And, Hillary would be an asset in the White House.  She'd be a good advisor.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 03:21PM | 0 recs
Re: And, fun, Kevin.

totally agree, and it's consistent with his theme, to unite, and to listen to the bottom, he's bottom up.  And then no one could ever again say he's just words, no substance.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:55PM | 0 recs
Good point well made

as a favorite comedian of my once said: "Cheer up world, because it might not bloody happen!"  And no, she wasn't referencing a potential Obama/Clinton ticket, but rather the concern of those concerned...

by linc 2008-06-09 03:22PM | 0 recs
The idea is really growing on me

I wasn't a big fan of this idea... I certainly think it must be Obama's choice to make... I can see the pros and cons.

I like the tone of this diary though... What better way to snub our noses at the GOP? I like it!

I will say that for myself... I worked tirelessly for Hillary Clinton, donated the maximum amount, made hundreds of phonecalls, drove from NYC to PA, canvassed in RI, went to 4 of her events etc. I do not have that same level of enthusiasm for Obama, I just don't. With her on the ticket I'd feel re-energized for sure. I'm a drop in the bucket... but she's certainly gathered a big bucket of drops.

by twinmom 2008-06-09 03:22PM | 0 recs
Hillary Can Star In McCain's Attack Ads

Imiagine this ad:

An unflattering still photo of Obama fills the TV screen. An ominous sounding narrator says "Obama's own choice for vice president has questioned his qualifications to lead America in these perilous times." Cut to a clip of Hillary's March 6th campaign speech.
"I think it's imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold, I believe that I've done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you'll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy."

Narrator: If Hillary Clinton doubted Barack Obama's readiness to assume the office of President, should YOU vote for him?

That is something Obama must weigh in making his choice for Vice President.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-06-09 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Can Star In McCain's Attack Ads

Too late :(

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-09 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Can Star In McCain's Attack Ads

My crappy dial-up doesn't do video

by Lefty Coaster 2008-06-09 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Can Star In McCain's Attack Ads

Bummer. Well, here is the link. Basically, it's an ad produced by the RNC called "Democrats vs. Obama." It takes what other Democrats (mostly the Clintons, but also a few others) and uses it against him.

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-09 06:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Can Star In McCain's Attack Ads


(mostly the Clintons

They were too generous.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-06-09 06:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Can Star In McCain's Attack Ads

Magnify that with a BETTER video, airing nationwide.  Really, what she said during the campaign is disastrous for a number of reasons. Obama should not be held to emotional blackmail, we are democrats and we need to stand with his JUDGMENT for the good of the party.  Clinton will get a niche cabinet position and he is going to help her clear her debts, but VP, NO.

by Edna Howard 2008-06-09 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Can Star In McCain's Attack Ads

Get lost Ice and don't ever come back to anything I write again.  I don't like you.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 09:26PM | 0 recs
Two words:

Clinton Library.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-06-09 09:57PM | 0 recs
I am really growing on it

I will admit I used to be of the camp of no Clinton on the ticket (way back in March) but her populist turn really appeals to me.  If she got health care as her area to work on it would be fantastic as she has a better plan than Obama.

I still think it is Obama's choice to make but this ticket would make me more excited about the ticket (and I am already really excited about Obama).

by Student Guy 2008-06-09 03:22PM | 0 recs
Great, Student Guy.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Great, Student Guy.

Bad idea. Hillary is the Repugs wet dream. She's the only one who can get their base out to vote, if only to vote AGAINST her.

by venician 2008-06-09 03:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Great, Student Guy.

That's not true anymore.  Gosh, you are depressing.  Buck up.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 03:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Great, Student Guy.

is that you anna shane?

by venician 2008-06-09 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Great, Student Guy.

yes, masslib is just a joke.

look at my post further down.

This person espouses unity, makes visuals of the whole Clinton family campaigning in the fall, BUT Just ask this person what they think of the Clintons campaigning for the Democratic party, without Hillary on the ticket as VP.
Masslib said they have no interest, basically making this diart troll bait, congrats to the suckers who bit.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 03:55PM | 0 recs
I am not a joke.

And you are mean spirited.  I already said he could win without any particular person on the ticket.  I wouldn't be at all interested, but he could do it.  This is an argument for a fully activated unity ticket.  Don't demean me.  

by masslib1 2008-06-09 04:16PM | 0 recs
Re: I am not a joke.

Stop with your games, reverse-concern trolling is so last week.

What you are doing is heaping praise on Obama and then taking it all away by asking if people agree with your sole fantasy scenario.

I asked you, would you be pleased if the Clinton team campained their buts off for Dem wins nationwide regardless if Hillary is on the ticket, and you said No.

Now either you are a liar or a sociopath or a troll.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: I am not a joke.

I am not concern trolling.  I said he can win without anyone in particular.

"Now either you are a liar or a sociopath or a troll."

I'm none of these.  They can to all those things.  It won't move me at all.  Don't you get what I am saying?

by masslib1 2008-06-09 04:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop it, please

You asked masslib:

Would you be happy enough if all the happy things happened in your diary minus Hillary as the VP?

She answered:



And that's all there was to it. Would you be happy if the super delegates reversed Obama's presumptive nominee status in August and nominated Hillary instead? Clearly, your answer would be no, and I wouldn't accuse you of being a troll for it.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-06-09 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop it, please

So masslib1 would NOT be happy if the Clinton family campaigned with the Democractic party in the fall if she is not VP

Sounds like Masslib supports extorting the party.

Sad day for both of you, I have faith in the Clintons where you two clowns have ZERO faith.

I know they are Democrats, and unlike what the media portrays they do value the party and do want us to win and change the country.

Dem victory in the Fall guarantees Bill the strong legacy he deserves, not the one where Bush came in and shat over everything Bill passed while in office.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop it, please

She responded to the question you posed about whether or not she's be happy if Hillary wasn't on the ticket. That's what this diary is about, afterall.

You are twisting her simple 1 word answer into a basis for attacking and insulting her.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-06-09 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop it, please

crushthedems2008 is just a troll trying to keep us divided.

by trytobereal 2008-06-09 04:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop it, please

I quote Hillary Rosen:

"I am a Democrat not a bargaining chip"

According to Madlibs logic HILLARY is the bargaining chip.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Great, Student Guy.

you are still being a troll and bashing fellow dems and the party.

by trytobereal 2008-06-09 04:34PM | 0 recs
Because republicans said so?

You are repeating republican talking points. Did you campaign in 1996? Why do you think Clinton whopped Dole's ass? Do you think they lost because Republican's were so motivated? How about 1992? were they motivated? It is pathetic to see the left wing of Democratic party sccumb to Repug tricks!Daily Kos and left wing have totally destroyed the Democratic party!

by indydem99 2008-06-09 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Because republicans said so?

this is republican talking points:

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:37PM | 0 recs
Clinton under 50%

Are you talking about the ass-whooping where Perot took 8% of the Republican base and Clinton went under 50%?

The question is where you even old enough to vote in 96.  Oh yeah, what happened in 94 and 96 where the Dems lost control of their majority in Congress.  Was that the Bill coattail effect?

And what exactly is the "left wing" of the Dem party?  African Americans?  The latte sippers?  the low information voters?

by Regenman 2008-06-09 04:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Great, Student Guy.

I dislike the idea as well. Keeping Republican turnout down is vital.

Also, Bill Clinton would NEVER pass the vetting process.

by Darknesse 2008-06-09 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Great, Student Guy.

They will not allow themselves to be vetted for a lot of reasons.  131 million for the Clinton "library" as commission for the Kazakhstan uranium deal being but the tip of the iceberg.

Sky high negatives, including a 56% percent untrustworthiness rating for Hillary is another very good reason not to include her on the ticket.

A republican fundraising bonanza, and a repulsion of just about every repentant Bush voter.  You all know a lot of those who are leaning Obama.  They aren't voting for Hillary, no news there at all.

Her Iraq war vote being of course the original "judgment" disqualifier.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-06-09 10:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Great, Student Guy.

I'm inclined to agree with you, venician.  In a perfect world, hillary would be great.  

But Obama needs someone with foreign policy experience.  

1. The Republicans would love an Obama/Hillary ticket.  The truth is, folks, Clinton has no experience in the foreign policy realm (I can see the Bosnia ads now, juxtaposed with McCain:War hero)

2. The Repugs don't like McCain all that much, but they would turn out to put Hillary Clinton away (the main reason I did not support her in the primary).  

3. She also would undermine Obama's key message of Change in Washington and soundbytes from the primary WILL be used in ads against him.

4. The Clinton dead enders that refuse to support Obama feel that she is entitled to the #1 spot no matter what, and would not support the ticket even if Hillary was on it.

This is a really,really,really,really bad idea folks.  Not to say that they couldn't win, but why make it more difficult than it has to be.

Clinton for HHS or Supreme Court.  Obama/Webb or Clark 2008

by karagekun 2008-06-09 05:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Great, Student Guy.

Supreme Court. LOL

I'm asking.

Which one of those Justice do you invision retiring or dying to have that happen.

yeah I know they all look old but from what I hear undertaker willhave to come get them before they'll leave the Supreme Court. My understanding is that Justice OConnor was an anomoly.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-06-09 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Great, Student Guy.

It's an open secret that Justice Stephens is waiting for a democrat to take office before he retires.

He's going to be 89 next January.  And by the way you keep saying this and keep getting the same reply.  There's never been a four year period where there was as much of a guarantee of at least one SC vacancy as there will be coming up.

by Jess81 2008-06-10 12:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Great, Student Guy.

And by the way you keep saying this and keep getting the same reply.

Actually according to my Feedback section you are the first person to reply to this particular question. The only one.

Unless there is an error in the programming here on the web site.

Thank you for your reply.

I doubt if Sen. Clinon will get the nod. From what I've read on other places there are probably more qualified people.

No skin off my nose. Personally I figure this is just stuff said to placate Sen Clinton's supporters. Sorry if that sounds cynical but this has been a cynical primary.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-06-12 03:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Great, Student Guy.

Actually Jess,

The lawyer type person here says that it would probably be a "cold day in heck" that will happen. She'll be lucky if Obama returns her phone calls. Unless of course he needs her vote and then it will be that,"Your vote is important too me."  

Example. Can you list all 11 demo presidential candidates in 2004 presidential election?
(I can)

Too bad. Seems a waste.

But I'm glad that you have this optimism.


by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-06-12 04:04PM | 0 recs
Of course, it's Obama's choice...

But I just really hope he picks Hillary as VP. And no, it's not just because I've been a hard-core Hillary supporter. It's because we maximize the benefits of both candidates by having both on the ticket. We have Barack's message of change AND Hillary's record of experience. We have Barack's electrifying energy AND Hillary's vision of a stronger America. It's ultimately Obama's choice, but I'd be so thrilled to see him pick someone who can help him win in the fall and deliver the change we need next year. :-)

by atdleft 2008-06-09 03:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Of course, it's Obama's choice...

You guys need to look OUTSIDE the party.

We don't win this election with just democrats, but with independents and republicans.

Obama polls far better than Clinton in this group.  And the polling has started with Clinton as Veep and it is a mixed bag.

She does well with the democratic base, outside of that not so much.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080609/ap_o n_el_pr/clinton_as_veep;_ylt=ApJI.eunf4Z 66O80HqxPOnis0NUE

by Edna Howard 2008-06-09 08:20PM | 0 recs
Remember this,

Barack Obama's number one demand was NO DRAMA.

The Clintons do not fit this bill.  And no one on her can state otherwise.  They bring, drama, wherever they go.

He just has to manage them and work with them effectively on what they will do during this campaign.

Having the Clintons on the ticket is just too much, it alters the change message, something the republicans will pounce on.  And let us not even talk about how Clinton elevated McCain to her level of CIC threshold.  That disqualifies her before we even talk about vetting Bill Clinton.

by Edna Howard 2008-06-09 08:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

I've thought quite a bit about this possible ticket, and while I feel confident that Hillary would help Obama with her female voters, I'm not as certain that her presence on the ticket would equate with an easy winning over of her blue collar voters (not that those groups are mutually exclusive).  In other words, identity politics would allow less for punishing that identity (female).

by freedom78 2008-06-09 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Pessimistic.  They were voting on the Clinton brand and her plans.  The trust that brand in the pocket buck.  Chin up.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

What are you talking about,

what does chin up mean?

Are you sexually harrasing the commenters now?

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

You guys. You sound depressed. What's the matter?

"chin up"


by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-06-09 07:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Normally I'd agree.  Primary voters tend to be much more interested, informed, and issue based than most voters.  But in a year with such amazing primary turnout, I'd not be surprised to see that the level of information has gone down, making their votes less about her plans than the norm for the primary.

And, no, that's not a shot at Clinton getting "low information voters."  The same would apply equally well (perhaps more so, given new registers) to Obama voters.

by freedom78 2008-06-09 04:41PM | 0 recs
I will leave this up to Obama

to decide, but to the poster.

Would you be happy enough if all the happy things happened in your diary minus Hillary as the VP?

I trust Obama and the DNC will choose whoever guarantees victory.

Personally I wouldn't mind Hillary as VP, I just don't think it fits her well.

I believe AG or Supreme Court are far more fitting.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 03:42PM | 0 recs

by masslib1 2008-06-09 03:44PM | 0 recs
Re: No.

Okay, so you are all about extorting obama then.

nice clever ruse.

I almost bought your game.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 03:50PM | 0 recs
It's not a ruse.

You asked if I would be happy with all that without Hill.  Why would I be?  It runs counter to my argument.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: It's not a ruse.

So you wouldnt be happy to see Democrats winning in the fall?

You wouldn't be happy to see the former first family involved with that victory?

You wouldn't be happy to see the will of the voters carried out on Nov 5?

Are you a Democrat?

I highly doubt it, you sound like you are in some cult or something.  Or maybe a former Ron Paul supporter?

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:28PM | 0 recs
Re: It's not a ruse.

Well, you are mean spirited.  Let's not talk anymore.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 04:30PM | 0 recs
Re: It's not a ruse.


by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-06-09 07:20PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

depressing! you can't accessorize worth a shit. i mean, if you're sandra day o'connor, sure, no biggie, but hillary???

by campskunk 2008-06-09 03:46PM | 0 recs
Accesorize? You mean clothes?

Why is that relevant to her?

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-09 03:48PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

Campskunk, glad to see you took a break from NQ to come here.

So, today you are going to bash Sandra Day Oconner.

Nice and classy.

You people are a piece of work, the Supreme Court is not good enough for your annointed leader?

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

hey- sandra looked GOOD in that outfit. but... you gotta have the bone structure, know what i mean?

by campskunk 2008-06-09 04:01PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

Okay, so you are making fun of Sandra OConner,  what is your point?

Are you saying Hillary is too lazy for a lifetime commitment to public service?

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:15PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

try to keep up- i'm talking about sandra day o'connor. she and hillary are completely different people.

by campskunk 2008-06-09 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

So why do you find it neccesary to make fun of Sandra Day Oconner?

What did she do to you, why do you need to make fun of her.

Does it make you feel like a big strong man?

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:24PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

i try to avoid feeling big strong men. it startles them.

by campskunk 2008-06-09 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

Damn you suck, you make fun of Sandra Day Occonner and are too much of a coward to stick up for yourself.

Must be a McCain vote right there.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:29PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

you seem angry. want to talk about it?

by campskunk 2008-06-09 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

you seem concerned, but sure Im glad to talk about it.

Since this is a troll diary, and you are now trolling your friend's diary lets troll it together.

And I give you this, something you nutjobs could never understand.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:34PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

spit that hook out ;-)

by campskunk 2008-06-09 04:37PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

oh no, I got more.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

I tried to read this and it is so garbled I couldn't. sorreee.

by linfar on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:26:58 PM EST

by venician 2008-06-09 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

you put this comment in my diary too? what gives?  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

Liminted resources?

by Tolstoy 2008-06-09 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: I will leave this up to Obama

I just thought linfar said it best.

by venician 2008-06-09 06:18PM | 0 recs
Sorry, he's not going to pick her.

Since you're not voting for Obama unless he does, there's not much left to discuss.

by Firewall 2008-06-09 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry, he's not going to pick her.

Ok, but try a little sugar.  You sound bitter.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 04:18PM | 0 recs
A Obama/Clinton ticket is by far the strongest

I still remember the huge roar of applause this idea got during the California debate. All pols indicate that most want this ticket, it would literally unite the party and forces, and there's no way McCain could compete against them.

Further, I really don't see anyone who could come close to offering what Hillary does as a VP. If not Hillary, then who?

by Chelsea in 2020 2008-06-09 04:05PM | 0 recs
Re: A Obama/Clinton ticket is by far the strongest

The California debate..... THE CALIFORNIA DEBATE!

Please dont make me laugh, that debate should be censored by our government.

All those actors with their serious faces, the camera guy that kept foucsing on Jason Alexander and George Clooney.....  

please!  haha,  good for laughs.

If anything people wanted Hillary to take the VP seat then to end the campaign, Hillary went kitchen sink scorched earth negative after that debate.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: A Obama/Clinton ticket is by far the strongest

Why are you still trolling here, I thought you were leaving?

by Chelsea in 2020 2008-06-09 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: A Obama/Clinton ticket is by far the strongest

Why would I leave when I have someone named Chelesea 2020 who cites the LA debates.

Oh please,  I can't get Jason Alexander out of my head now.

I think Sharon Stone was another go-to camera shot in that debate,  heeelarious.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:26PM | 0 recs

You're not even a creative or interesting troll. At least entertain us or something, otherwise, move along so we can talk politics.

by Chelsea in 2020 2008-06-09 04:36PM | 0 recs
three's a crowd

1) Only Hill and Bill will energize the Rep. base

  1. Bill will not, can not, be controlled
  2. Hillary's base will not vote for McCain

Sure, there may be some lost votes for not having HRC as VP.  Yet, far more will vote for McCain if Hill and Bill are on the ticket and dialy news...daily.  News will concentrate on "where's Bill" rather than 100% on where's Obama.  Hillary, god bless her, can not, will not, play 2nd seat.  

Hillary's campaign was run like crap.  Sure, she had a close second.  That would only be good if she was an under dog from the start.  Yet, she started with an immense lead.  So her close second was rather a losing of huge terrain.  Frankly, you don't want her, or her staff, anywhere near Obama's well oiled machine.  Shoot, Bill's staff didn't get along with Hill's staff.  And they love each other.  

Obama is fine without the headache, the drama, and the personalities.  Horrible idea.  

by SovSov 2008-06-09 04:07PM | 0 recs
You're depressing.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 04:19PM | 0 recs
but a realist

by Regenman 2008-06-09 04:41PM | 0 recs
Re: but a realist

It's true.  I'm a dreamer.  I dream big.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 04:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Good choice for some reasons, poor choice for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that there is an obvious personal animosity between the two. I do not think having a dysfunctional White House is worth a fleeing moment of unity.

by authority song 2008-06-09 04:09PM | 0 recs
Michelle Obama

Ms. Obama is one of the biggest assets going for Obama.  There is NO feminist who will not be impressed by her.  She is a modern, strong, intelligent, self-made, woman.  Shit, she could be president.  Where in hell's name would you put Michele if Hillary is around?  Men will vote for Obama b/c of Michelle.  She will energize Hillary's holdouts.  

by SovSov 2008-06-09 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama

Not at all the point.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama

Feminist here.  Totally UNimpressed by Michelle.

by Tolstoy 2008-06-09 05:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama

Really, the last I saw she broke every ceiling.

What makes her "bad" in your feminist eyes?

Please give me at least 1 concrete reason?

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

I'll take issue with both sides:

1) Obama people who won't vote for him if Hillary is the VP.

This is ridiculous. This is a women who has fought for universal health care and was a Watergate lawyer and has been fighting for progressive causes for 40 years.

That's a hell of lot better Democratic resume than, say Joe Lieberman.

If you are truly Obama supporters, than you should respect his choice for VP and continue to be Obama supporters through November.

I couldn't understand the irrational hate the GOP had for Hillary Clinton in the 90's and I cannot understand it now coming from within our own party.

Yes, I know it was a tough primary, and she played hardball. But what did you expect? That's Hillary Clinton. That's one tough mama who has been through a lot tougher stuff than this. She doesn't just roll over.

Though Hillary wouldn't be my first choice, and I worry about how it looks if he picks her under pressure (extortion?), if she is the choice, I'm behind it all the way.

She's a Dem, she's smart, she's tough. Good enough for me.

Having said that, I'll turn to the other side:

2) Clinton backers who will only vote for Obama IF Hillary is the VP.

Again, this is ridiculous. The candidate to whom you have show an admirable amount of loyalty and for whom you have worked so tirelessly, has now said she's behind Obama.

If Hillary is behind Obama, and your Hillary supporters, why aren't you?

Obama is a good Dem. He could have cashed in after Harvard Law, but instead took a community organizer job fighting for people getting steamrolled by an increasingly corporate economy. He's fought to secure loose nukes, has a 100% NARAL rating, and is fighting against special interests in Washington that have been the bane of so many working families.

Yes, it was a tough primary. Some supporters and media crossed the sexist line. No doubt about it. But not the candidate himself. As Hillary can't be blamed for Ferraro or Johnson, Penn, or other surrogates or bloggers who went over the line in serving her cause, neither can Obama be held responsible for like behavior of his supporters.

Even if Hillary is your first choice, and someone else gets it, she still will play a huge role in our party and our country. Either has a Senate leader, a Supreme Court Justice, a Cabinet Level Appointment (AG, State, HHS), or Gov. on NY.

Whomever Obama decides will help us win and win biggest in November, we should all get behind the choice.

I just don't understand all this "I won't vote for Obama is Hillary IS/ISN'T the nominee."

It is withing our grasp in '08, lets not wait beyond '08.

by Searching For Pericles 2008-06-09 04:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

You didn't talk much about governing.  Or about Hillary carrying Barack's message.  For her to be an effective VP she needs to do 2 things first and both involve admitting she was wrong and do it in a way where she is both humble and believable.  She needs to show  she learned something during the campaign by

1. Apologize for her vote on Iraq.
2. Admit she was wrong about Lobbyists and embrace the Ethics reform Obama has shown real leadership on.

Without this she stands at odds to his central message and to the direction the Party is headed. Without this her as VP is more about hype than substance.  

by Piuma 2008-06-09 04:18PM | 0 recs
Oh stop that.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh stop that.

Stop what?  It's central to his theme.  I also believe that the difference between the two is more a result of poor political calculation on Hillary's part more than what's in her heart.  If she had issued an Edwards like apology on the War, and if she had gone along with both of them about PACs and Lobbyists she still would have started with way more money and most likely won this thing going away.  What I would love to see her do is admit to making some decisions based on the misguided notion that to play with the boys you gotta be one of the boys.  That's what her Iraq vote was about - to show she was as tough on National security as any man.  

by Piuma 2008-06-09 04:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh stop that.

I'm not going to get into this with you.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 04:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh stop that.

Why do you keep getting mojo for refusing to discuss/debate with anybody?

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-09 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Hi masslib!  Always nice to see you posting.  Hope all is well.

by Steve M 2008-06-09 04:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

It could be better.  Someone is spamming my chearful, fun, happy little diary with irrelevant video and trollish behavior.  Some people can't win gracefully.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Some people refuse to lose.

by karagekun 2008-06-09 05:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

It is, indeed, a strange election when the losers are positive and energized, and the winners are grumpy and trollish.  

by Steve M 2008-06-09 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP


by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-06-09 07:27PM | 0 recs
Nuke Iran--tough

Hmmm, another VP with designs on the Middle East.


by Regenman 2008-06-09 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Then apparently you don't want to have any real discussion on the subject you're writing about.  Without Hillary moving toward Obama's central theme then the inclusion of her on the ticket becomes for Obama a move toward the center.  The problem with moving to the center during the GE is then you end up with a mandate to govern from the center.  Obama's campaign is about change - a change in the mindset which took us to War and a change in how Government works.  If he wins by being true to that core then he has a mandate to Govern that way.  Almost every other serious VP candidate reenforces that theme.  Hillary needs to do so as well.  

by Piuma 2008-06-09 04:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Hillary's proposals are to the Left of Obama, so I really don't follow.  

by masslib1 2008-06-09 04:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Some of them are, but on the two biggies they differed.  And as I said, I think they are an area where she could embrace them without betraying her core values or those of her supporters.  But I do think it needs to be done if she really wants the VP slot.

by Piuma 2008-06-09 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Actually, I think this election is going to be close.  Most people aren't on the opposite ends of the political spectrum, and while many describe themselves as social liberals, they vote center on economic issues an awful lot of the time.

by TinaH1963 2008-06-09 08:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Let's see who he picks, and then we can say:

"Asked and Answered."

I trust Obama to make the right choice. It is Obama's choice to make. I may or may not agree with the choice, but it is Obama's Veep, so I gotta go with it. I f I don't like it, then I guess I could get mad and vote for McCain, and rail against Obama - but not on myDD, because then I'd be breaking the rules. But still, if I get a call from Caroline Kennedy and she asks my opinion - I'll be honest, and say, "Hey, Caroline, isn't it your job to help Obama pick the Veep? What are you asking me for? All I do is sit at my computer and regurgitate stuff I googled up. That doesn't qualify me to offer any good advice on who Obama should pick. Sheesh."

by xdem 2008-06-09 04:47PM | 0 recs
Off Topic.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 04:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Forget polling, forget conventional wisdom, forget Clinton hate, racism and sexism.

Forget logic, forget reason, forget the fact that either or both of them might not think her being Vice President is a particularly good idea.

Do what masslib1 wants or she's taking her ball and going home!

So, I hear the weather's gotten pretty hot back east.

by nathanp 2008-06-09 04:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

That's not what Isaid.  Obama doesn't need any particular person to win and he certainly doesn't need me.  I'm a dreamer.  This is a happy diary.  Please use your brash comments somewhere less hopeful.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 04:52PM | 0 recs
Yeah yeah, I know...

"I'm depressing."

F-ing spare me...

by nathanp 2008-06-09 04:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah yeah, I know...

"I am done with you"

"Your mean"

Of all the Noquarter blogs on this site, this one has to be the most arogant and mean to Hillary Clinton herself.

I feel I must stick up for her,  Hillary is not some pawn of her supporters.

I wonder what she would have to say of the people who say they don't believe her concession speech, or that she was forced by proverbial gunpoint.

Anyways, this is old.

I do give madlib BIG props for pulling off a troll diary so well and so late in the game.
That is a serious compiment, no snark.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah yeah, I know...

a lot of you are depressing, why? you won, it shouldn't be such a funeral for you.  My theory that I hope is wrong is that you've been only thinking you're blogging for him, but you've really been using the opportunity to be nasty and now that we'll all on the same side, you can't live with it.  Tell me I'm wrong tell me you're just not yet certain it's true and you just think it's still primary season, or something, okay? I want this to be fun, and it would be great fun if Barack selects Hillary and we all can say lots of nice things about both of them.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah yeah, I know...

Anna, help me understand by Campskunk was bashing Sandra Day Oconner.

Other than being labeled as Conservative, is there a reason to bash and make fun of a retired supreme court justice?

Did I miss out on something?

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah yeah, I know...

he's funny and hurting no one.  What's funnier is the level of Hilary bashing some of you see as deserved and how quick to defend some other woman who isn't even in question.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah yeah, I know...

I never bashed Hillary once in this diary.

And I didn't even for a second thought I would be in a position to defend Sandra Day Oconner, mostly because I didn't bring her up.

I dont see how Campskunk is funny, unless he is a pre-teen and that kind of crap is funny.

I am dead serious about my draft of Hillary to the Supreme Court and I don't understand Campskunk's need to bash that noble idea of making fun of the looks of Sandra Day Oconner and why you think he is just being funny.

You wanna bash Sandra for voting with the conservatives, fine, but don't bash her looks.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah yeah, I know...

well good, it's time to stop that, Barack has won, we're your friends now.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 05:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah yeah, I know...

What do I need to stop, all I said is I truely look forward to the Clintons participating in the massive historical General Election this fall.
We need to win every race.

And then I suggested my favorite future for Hillary is making HUGE decisions that effect generations in the Supreme court  or being all badass as the AG

Thats all I was ever saying.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah yeah, I know...

Because she wants to be president?

Because being AG or SC Justice isn't the way to do it?

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-06-09 07:33PM | 0 recs
Anna, please ignore this one.

He's killing my buzz.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna, please ignore this one.

Buzz? if I am killing it you need to pour another glass.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 05:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Can You Say Liability?

Yes, 53 percent of Dems say put her on the ticket, but those all important independent voters can't stand her.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iDZ8x kXghE0D6QWBd74TObLus0PQD916QC280

by LtWorf 2008-06-09 04:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Can You Say Liability?

You don't get it.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 04:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Can You Say Liability?

If he doesn't get it, then please explain and enlighten us all.

Explain again how YOU decide what Hillary does and how she does it?

Tell me how you respect her decisions, because you obviously do not in the slightest.

You have to be a repub troll because I have never seen HRC supporter or Obama supporters be so disrespectful of Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-09 04:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Crush, I get it.

Sure, I get it Crush.

Now that Hillary Clinton has lost, they want to sing "Kumbaya" and "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing."  They made fun of Obama when he talked about a new politics.

Before Feb. 5 she was inevitable.  Now, not so much.

Here's my reality:  Obama should choose his veep. If he chooses Clinton, so be it.  But my guess is that he won't out of political pragmatism.  That I mentioned in my comments.  Thirty-two percent of independents loathe her.

Secondly, she AND Bill would have to be fully vetted and I don't think Bill is up to him and his foundation being poked and prodded in great detail.

by LtWorf 2008-06-09 05:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

I disagree strongly.

I still feels and Obama/Clinton ticket blunts his change message and opens up avenues attack that he's been well-positioned to neutralize. It also opens up other problems that may be harder to foresee.

The obvious problem is with their positions on the war. With Clinton on the ticket, you have a "one's against it, one's for it" line to defend against. And given the number of pointed criticisms regarding Obama's preparedness for the job, the dissonance of having Clinton accept the number two position below someone she declared effectively not ready for the presidency may well drown out the harmonies of the ticket.

Instead of running a forward-looking campaign, with a consistent message oriented toward the future, the ticket will have to keep their rear flank constantly attended to. The Republicans have almost nothing except race-based innuendo and the "experience" canard to work with, neither of which are in themselves enough to galvanize turnout. But Clinton gives them eight years of Bill to attack, and their base loves dancing to that tune.

A Clinton vice-presidency, will all its "firsts" (including a former POTUS as second spouse) might itself become a media and public spectacle and a distraction when the attention should be on the President. That relationship would be relentlessly and unnecessarily scrutinized daily, with any disagreements turned into destructive and pointless narratives that have nothing to do with leading the country. And both Obama and Clinton might feel self-conscious and restricted in this relationship, knowing that everything they did would have to be coordinated lest they themselves become the story, rather than their stewardship and performance.

This was a divisive primary, in terms of the tactics used and the passions generated among supporters. Throwing the two together on the ticket is a simplistic feel-good solution that ignores a host of hard political realities.

The VP is not a party-mender. The VP spot isn't a consolation prize or an entitlement to be offered to the second-place finisher to appease disgruntled supporters. It's a crucial and presidential decision that weighs far more important factors than how many votes will be gained in the general election.

But finally, it's not a good idea, IMO, because Hillary Clinton can do better than VP. I can't see her spending yet another eight years playing second fiddle in a White House relationship.

She could do far more for her causes and for the country by showing leadership in the Senate on important issues and building her resume even further, one that would result in powerful committee chairs and a possible Majority Leader position.

Or she may choose another path. But VP would lock her into an restrictive and probably unsatisfying role in an administration during a period when she could be far more productive in other capacities.

by BobzCat 2008-06-09 04:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

To each their own.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

So you see only positives, and no negatives?

How do you think an Obama/Clinton ticket would effectively deflect attacks regarding the war vote, the Commander-in-Chief threshold, and other openings created by the primary?

Do you feel, in principle, that the second place finisher in a close primary race should automatically be awarded the vice president spot? Have you always felt this way?

How do you think Clinton would function in the lower-profile administration role of VP, the first rule of which is never to upstage the president? Do you think she'll be comfortable having to avoid the spotlight? Is that something that would further her causes? Do you really feel this is the best use of her talents?

Do you think these two individuals have the kind of chemistry that would work well together?

Just wondering, since your diary is advocating a position that does require a little defense, IMO.

by BobzCat 2008-06-09 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

"So you see only positives, and no negatives?"

Basically.  My guess is their concern would be Bill Clinton going to Davos once they were in the WH and saying something not inline with the admin, and then them having to explain for a day how it's not inline.  But I think that's not really a big thing.  Easily managable.

"How do you think an Obama/Clinton ticket would effectively deflect attacks regarding the war vote, the Commander-in-Chief threshold, and other openings created by the primary?"

She'd say he proved himself and crossed that threshold with the voters and with me.

"Do you feel, in principle, that the second place finisher in a close primary race should automatically be awarded the vice president spot? Have you always felt this way?"

No, and no.  She's not entitled to the spot and as I say, he can win without her.  But I do think they would win a landslide together and have a mandate because she has such dedicated, activated supporters and they compliment eachothers strengths.

"How do you think Clinton would function in the lower-profile administration role of VP, the first rule of which is never to upstage the president? Do you think she'll be comfortable having to avoid the spotlight? Is that something that would further her causes? Do you really feel this is the best use of her talents?"

Well, I don't think she would upstage him, but I think we need a new set of rules.  I think she would probably use her talents on health care, and that would be fine by her.  She's an asset in WH.  She understands the pressures.  She'd make a great advisor.  

"Do you think these two individuals have the kind of chemistry that would work well together?"

Yes.  I think they even look great together.  They shine.  There is a lot of chemistry there.  She's not a yes man, but I think Presidents shouldn't just have yes men.  And, she's not one to over step her bounds.  You can see that in how she's performed in the Senate.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

To each their own.

by BobzCat 2008-06-09 08:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

I don't know.  Sometimes, it works.  John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Baines Johnson were serious rivals for the Democratic Party nomination and ended up as running mates.  Yes, Johnson did expand the Vietnam War (which JFK started), but he also ramped up JFK's New Society and turned it into the Great Society.  As a society, we took so many steps forward.  

I know that Senator Obama has called for change, but when I look at his legislative record, I see someone who works with the folks across the aisle, just as Senator Clinton does.  I am being completely serious, so please be nice :-).

by TinaH1963 2008-06-09 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Make that New Frontier.

by TinaH1963 2008-06-09 09:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Going back 50 years for an historical parallel is reaching into a different era, I think.

Who's to say, in this era of 24 hour news and YouTube, in which every breath is recorded, replayable, and remixable, whether Kennedy would have acquiesced to bringing Johnson onto the ticket.

History is not necessarily a model of right action. The mood of the electorate this year is definitely in a special place. In terms of the media and technology, every cycle brings with it new considerations.

The past may hold examples, but it doesn't really provide much of an argument this time around.

by BobzCat 2008-06-09 09:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

That's your opinion.  Kennedy was very much seen as an agent of change, and Johnson was a party man, through and through. History has both reformers and those who are cautious.  There's a place for both--I happen to believe, based on the evidence--and that would be the legislative record of both senators, that they both work with people on the other side.

by TinaH1963 2008-06-09 09:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

You are correct, that is my opinion.

by BobzCat 2008-06-09 10:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP?

I'm not automatically opposed to Clinton on the ticket, but I think it would take some careful weighing of the pros and cons.  The pros are obvious -- there are a lot of Clinton voters out there, and Clinton is well qualified to be president.  But most of those have already reconciled with supporting Obama, so it's really the hard core Clinton people who are the holdouts.  

Luckily, Obama still has plenty of time to conduct a thorough and careful selection process.  He should not prejudge the possible field -- and it's a rich field from which to choose.  My guess is that Obama will take his time and announce his decision in late August just before, or even AT, the convention.  Clinton on the ticket may look entirely different in two months time, depending on what else happens.  

by Headlight 2008-06-09 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

He gets to pick. If he picks Hillary, then it's the right choice, otherwise, it isn't.

I think the votes he would gain would be offset by the votes that he would lose, so the Hillary choice has no tactical advantages attached to it.

by xdem 2008-06-09 05:13PM | 0 recs
It's sad so many Obama supporters

just can't see what Jesse and I see.  But, then, we're dreamers.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 05:16PM | 0 recs
THANK YOU! from an Obama supporter

Back-to-back you and atdleft have given me hope for MYDD and for the party.

Wesley Clark (a staunch Clinton supporter) has always been my first choice for VP. But the positive tone of your diary has certainly moved me.

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-06-09 05:19PM | 0 recs
Thanks, Paratrooper.

I so appreciate your cheerful comment.  :)

by masslib1 2008-06-09 05:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks, Paratrooper.


by campskunk 2008-06-09 05:47PM | 0 recs
Terrible Idea

Why don't we cut out the middle man, and hang an Albatross around his neck.

The joint ticket does not work unless she is at the top of the ticket.

Hillary is a terrible choice for VP.  Since Hillary supporters like to bring up double standards what other person would be accepted as VP with her level of baggage and negative ratings?  I am not even sure that if the situation was reversed Obama wouldn't have too much baggage to be VP.

by Tumult 2008-06-09 05:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

I agree this would be a good ticket, and I didn't particularly care for Clinton during the primaries.  Talking to my mom and grandmother this past mothers day convinced me she has a very strong grip on her supporters.  My ma is definately supporting Obama because she claims lightning would strike her if she voted for a Republican.

I don't think there is anyone else out there that makes sense from a strength of ticket perspective.  

Of course, he will need a food taster once he's in office. 8)(/Snark...total Snark folks, I couldn't resist)

by lex75 2008-06-09 05:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

I appreciate your comment, but that joke just isn't funny.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 05:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Well, I certainly tried to show that it was meant in jest as best as I could.  Probably too early for dark humor so my apologies to anyone offended in advance.

I really do think she would make a great addition to the ticket and respect the hell out of her for the tough as nails campaign she ran.  

by lex75 2008-06-09 06:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP
no to stupid idea.
Obama will lose, regardless if Hillary will be on the ticket or not.
Why she will want to join a losing ticket?
First of all it is a chance she will be nominated in 2008, but if not why ruin her chances in 2012?
Let Obama to lose and let democrats to learn the lesson (I doubt they can, but let's try)
by engels 2008-06-09 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Well, i think he can win with out without.  That's isn't what this diary is about.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

I would love for her to become a superstar in the Senate.  She's in a safe seat so she can shed all the goofy "presidential politics" poop and focus on strong liberal legislation and ensure it passes.

by HillarysDesire 2008-06-09 05:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

Well, there is nothing wrong with that.  She's so much like Bobby Kennedy.  She really became a peoples candidate in this election, and she's always been passionate about helping those less fortunate.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 05:57PM | 0 recs


by Bush Bites 2008-06-09 06:04PM | 0 recs
great idea

makes it really hard for me to say no ;)

I haven't made up my mind on this one way or the other.  I've gone from completely against it to dead center/bordering on indifference.

the only way i could do it is if I got confirmation of what mccain's strategy is in the general.  Right now, it seems like he has none.  I just don't want Hillary to be his talking point.  Of course, if Hillary is his main talking point, McCain is probably screwed.

I'm also bothered by the clinton/obama white house - nothing to do with Hillary, everything to do with Bill.  Maybe he won't have as strong a say as I think he will, maybe Hillary won't be as domineering as I think she will be, but if Obama feels that he can't take that chance and would rather have a sycophant old VP with no WH aspirations (like Nunn), then I won't begrudge him for it.  

by ab03 2008-06-09 06:09PM | 0 recs
Change vs. more of the same.

Obama needs to follow Carville's advice to Bill Clinton in 1992. There's no way he can pick Hillary--who ran her entire campaign on having more Washington experience than he did--and still run a "change" campaign that has as a central tenet the fact that he is a Washington outsider.

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-09 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

by Headlight 2008-06-09 06:25PM | 0 recs
Caroline Kennedy's input

Remember - Caroline Kennedy is heading up Obama's VP search - I think we should all heed Al Giordano's comment on this matter (though I might not put it the same way as he does):

The signals sent with this move are multiple. They suggest a search for a running mate that is ideologically compatible, acceptable to the Kennedy wing of the party, that acknowledges the generational aspect of the change at hand, and, importantly, it brackets the disqualifying words uttered by one Veep aspirant late last month and looms as an ever-present reminder of vigilance regarding such unspeakable acts. Obama has picked someone in Caroline Kennedy who nobody is going to be able to push around.

by barath 2008-06-09 06:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Caroline Kennedy's input

I agree.  And though Clinton is loved with the Democratic base, outside of that, not so much.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080609/ap_o n_el_pr/clinton_as_veep;_ylt=AoQilHxC20h dY2JjUmsEp3xh24cA

Barack Obama has earned the right to his VP, let his selection process go through, which includes heavy vetting.

by Edna Howard 2008-06-09 06:52PM | 0 recs
won't happen
It is more important to have an effective administration than to succumb to the emotional blackmail of her more ardent supporters. The party has to come first and unfortunately, Hillary and Bill will stain his presidency and motivate the right-wing.
Besides, many party leaders and regular democrats are disillusioned with these two. Its Barack's party now..and he needs to do what's best for its future. That means not choosing her. Period.
by april34fff 2008-06-09 06:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

OC is good enough for me.

by pollbuster 2008-06-09 06:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

I just realized one thing that I don't want us to go through (if Hillary were picked) - a reprise of the 6 years of right-wing attacks on the Clintons (now updated for the 21st century) - condensed into 5 months.  We all know they'd happily do it, since McCain has nothing to run on but attacking Democrats.

by barath 2008-06-09 07:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

another thing, not wise to have two senators on a ticket, which neither have executive experience.

by Edna Howard 2008-06-09 08:10PM | 0 recs
Why not Hillary for VP...

The Clintons damn well better be out in full force for Obama whether or not Hillary is on the ticket.  Anything less and she will be Joe Lieberman in my eyes.

Here are the reasons why Hillary would be a horrible VP choice:

1) The Clinton name will light a fire under the right wingers that are still luke warm for McCain.  For every volunteer she brings that won't be supporting Obama already, there will be two for McCain.

2) Her negative campaign.  If she had dropped out after Obama had the nomination mathematically sewn up back in March, I'd be all for her on the ticket.  Instead, she choose to throw a Hail Mary and go all-out negative against Obama.  Now, if she were on the ticket, McCain's campaign in the fall would be to run her commercials and speeches from April.

3) Bill Clinton.  First off, he won't let Obama look at his financials, but you'd better believe the GOP will sneak a glance at it and then leak it all over for an October surprise.  Secondly, he would be impossible to control once we took the White House back.  He'd make governing a lot more difficult, and he and HRC would take a lot of his limelight.

4) We've got a deep, deep bench this year.  I know it's tought for a Hillary supporter to swallow, but there are people with more experience, who help on the electoral map more (without the drawbacks of an energized right wing), and who would make governing easier rather than harder.

by ScienceTeacher118 2008-06-09 09:14PM | 0 recs
Well, than best she doesn't

campaign for him.  I mean, look how god awful she is.  It would clearly be a disaster.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 09:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP

I don't understand this diary.

I'm not particularly invested in who his VP is but there are good reasons for and against.  But if anybody brings up reasons against, then out comes people saying don't be a spoil sport, asking why so-and-so hates Hillary Clinton, or babbling on about Sandra Day O'Connor.

I dunno, could be a good plan.  Could be a very bad one.  But I'll play along: weeeeeeeeeeeee Obama/Clinton fun *cue carnival music weeeeeeeeeee!  How 'bout that Sandra Day O'Connor?  Wokka-wokka.

by Jess81 2008-06-10 01:02AM | 0 recs


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