The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

The skinny kid with the funny name from Hawaii had a great run.  By forcing all four other candidates off the ballot, including the woman who had reached out to help him, he maneuvered his way into the Illinois State Legislature.  There, he found an extortionist and money launderer who channeled hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions his way, while helping land a plum real estate deal. Then, in spite of an undistinguished career in the state legislature where he repeatedly pushed the wrong button on votes, he found another backer in the Illinois Senate who funneled dozens of bills his way to sponsor  -- even though others had done the groundwork for years and were thus robbed of the recognition they deserved -- thus padding Obama's credentials for a national Senate run, in exchange for Obama later pushing through $300 million of earmarks in return.  

Once in the Senate, he found a couple of other prominent supporters who were anxious to tear down the Clintons and, lo and behold, the first term Senator was running for president, in spite of earlier promising he would complete his first term and admitting he was too inexperienced to seek national office.

And, the funny thing is, he came so close.  Riding on his oratorical skills and the backing of one of the wealthiest media magnates in the world, he put together a coalition of African Americans and  and upper-income voters.  Despite receiving a minority of votes cast by whites, Latinos, and Asians, and losing 7 of the largest 8 states in the nation (all except his home state of Illinois), his big margins in some Southern States and midwestern caucus states gave him a decent lead in delegates over Hillary Clinton.  By stalling efforts at a revote in Florida, he looked like he had a good chance of keeping his lead in delegates and popular votes into the Democratic convention, where he and his supporters could extortion votes from remaining Super Delegates by threatening not to support Hillary Clinton if nominated.

Though potential road blocks emerged, particularly with the start of the Rezko trial, the media continued to treat Obama with kid gloves at the same time that it pilloried Hillary Clinton.  All that started to change though as the race drew to an end, with Obama having emerged as the frontrunner.  In the end, it was the controversy over his pastor and spiritual advisor, Jeremiah Wright, that brought Obama down.  A series of videos emerged -- sold and promoted by Wright's church itself -- which showed Wright angrily denouncing "the United States of White America" and "USKKKA", which he said, purposely introduced AIDS into the Black community and brought the Sept. 11 attacks on itself.  Wright also said that Hillary Clinton was not deserving of the presidency because "she's never been called a nigger," and proclaimed "God Damn America" as an alternative to God bless America.  The repeated broadcast of Wright angrily making these pronouncements becamed seared in the nation's consciousness.

Obama attempted to rescue himself by criticizing Wright's remarks, dropping Wright from the campaign's African American religious committee, and implying that he was not aware of these stands until recently.  However, given that Obama had attended Wright's church for 20 years, been married by him, had his children baptized by him, donated tens of thousands of dollars per year to his church, and lauded him in his book, Audacity of Hope (appropriately named for one of Wright's slogans), the public wasn't buying it.  Obama's popularity among every group but African Americans sank like a stone.

The first bad news came on April 22 in Pennsylvania, a state that the Obama campaign itself projected to lose by only 5 points.  In the end, Obama lost by 20, getting barely a quarter of the white vote.   Guam tilted for Clinton as well, and then the crushing blow came on May 6, when Obama narrowly lost two sizeable states he had projected to win, Indiana and North Carolina.  Not unexpectedly, West Virginia and Kentucky went by huge margins for Clinton, who then squeezed out a win in Oregon as well.  Clinton picked up dozens of delegates in a big Puerto Rico win, and won a narrow victory in the Michigan revote as well.  The Montana and South Dakota primaries were close, but by that time the result was foretold.

Clinton's string of victories had pulled her close to Obama in both the delegates and popular vote, with Obama's margin in both dependent on exclusion of Florida.  Obama had fallen far behind in the national polls, both directly against Clinton and in comparison with Clinton in match-ups with McCain.  His string of defeats, including in states he had been expected to win, and his low level of approval among whites, Hispanics, and Asians, indicated that he didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the national election.  Every day, more and more super delegates were announcing their support for Hillary.  Her nomination was secured.  The only question that remained was whether Obama would maintain enough support from pledged and super delegates to force Hillary to accept him as her VP.  If so, he still had a chance to redeem himself and survive to run again another day.

Tags: 2008 elections, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Jeremiah Wright (all tags)

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196 Comments

Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
well, it was fun while it lasted, but his critical mistake was to confuse a bunch of upper-income white liberals and the black population for a coalition. coalitions are groups of people who have each others' backs.
by campskunk 2008-03-16 04:57AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

How do you get to this weird conclusion?

by marcotom 2008-03-16 05:22AM | 0 recs
What color is the sky in this bizarro world?

Clinton's string of victories had pulled her close to Obama in both the delegates and popular vote,

A string of victories like Wyoming and Mississippi? Not even the votes of 50,000 of HeadRush's dittoheads could swing Mississippi into Hillary's collumn.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-16 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: What color is the sky in this bizarro world?

Obama is +160 in pledged delegates according to realpolitics

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: What color is the sky in this bizarro world?

106, not 160. And he still can't close the deal. Rather wimpy for such a big talker.

by RMC 2008-03-16 08:52PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

He swore off the Kool-Aid.

by RMC 2008-03-16 08:50PM | 0 recs
You are right about this

and are describing the only way for Clinton to win.

Thanks for setting expectations!

Because if she doesn't win Pa, Indiana and NC by double digits she can't win.

by fladem 2008-03-16 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: You are right about this

Then the Dems may end up having no candidate at all. Because after JEREMIAH no one's going to want to touch Obama with a barge pole. Talk about political suicide. 'You voted for HIM??' Hey.

by RMC 2008-03-16 08:53PM | 0 recs
The Fall of Shrillery
If anyone will be responsible for Mac, it will be Hillary Clinton, her trail of burned bridges, and her legions of pitchfork wielding douchebags. And you can take that to the bank.
by defibialater 2008-03-16 09:43AM | 0 recs
Hillary Supporters=McSame in the WH
Hillary has more skeletons (and dead bodies)in her closet than the prop room for "Night of the Living Dead". But you are convinced that the Wright kerfuffle is enough to bring Obama down, despite his honest and timely response to flame-fanners like yourself. Please, I am not the one who needs a lecture on Kool-Aid.
by defibialater 2008-03-16 10:01AM | 0 recs
Wow! dKos sure isn't boycotting MyDD!
Trolls seem to LOVE spending their week-ends in front of
a computer screen right here at MyDD!
by earthoat 2008-03-16 10:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Supporters=McSame in the WH

How stupid to do you have to be to not recognize that the Starr investigation resolved definitively that there are no skeletons in the Clintons closet. A seventy million dollar plus investigation that employed over 500 FBI agents when through every phone call the Clintons ever made, every check they ever wrote and every scurrilous rumor published by the right wing press and found nothing. The White House, including Chelsea's underwear drawers were searched, every income tax return scrutinized, every back record since they were married forensically examined, the governor's mansion in Little Rock searched, the senior partner at Hillary's law firm tossed in prison and pressured to flip - nothin'. Every yahoo in Arkansas with a story to tell about clinton was given immunity to testify - not a single corroboration could be dug up. And before you mention the pardons, remember that there was a federal prosecutor assigned to investigate and nothing was found.

So, no, what we know about Clinton is that there are no skeletons whatsoever in her closet. And if you wonder why we think Obama supporters are engaging in group think rather than reality based reasoning, your post is brilliant example of the flawed thinking coming out of the camp. You can't even acknowledge the simply historical reality of how thorough the Starr investigation was, and how successfully the Clintons were vindicated.

by Little Otter 2008-03-16 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Supporters=McSame in the WH

Well...Hillary and Bill Clinton have lived a number of years since the Starr investigation was concluded, no?

That's why people want to see the tax returns and the records of donors for the library and foundation.

Plus there are the WH records that have not yet been released.

So, with all due respect, no, not all the information is out there yet.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Supporters=McSame in the WH

Right - no reality based thinking in your camp. Just simple repitition of idiotic rightwing slanders.

by Little Otter 2008-03-16 11:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Supporters=McSame in the WH

Please point to a "slander" in what I said. All I suggested was that the Starr investigation was over awhile ago so it is incorrect that everything has been fully studied.

By the way, why has Clinton been so slow to release that information?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 12:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Supporters=McSame in the WH

NAFTAgate?  Where he did... what again?

Wright?  Where he did... what again?

Rezko?  Where he did... what again?

If this is the level of "scandal" that the best dirtmongers can unearth, we're in great shape with Obama as our candidate.

If Hillary is, I hope she's this clean.  But I don't know that she is.  All I know is that Whitewater was a nothing.  There's a big blank since that I think we need to see before we know what we're jumping in to here.

by Rorgg 2008-03-16 02:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Supporters=McSame in the WH

All you need is the WRIGHT thing to blow his chances.

Ho ho!

Zing!!

Oh, now I really must go compose myself.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-16 07:17PM | 0 recs
It is awfully telling...

who uprated this, uh, remark.

by Soitgoes 2008-03-16 05:35PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

.but thanks to Fox News..(I never thought I would say this)

Been a lot of Clinton-love going to FoxNews lately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTGbI8pzv qk

that oughta tell you something, but I don't for a moment imagine it will

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-16 09:47AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

You do realize that she was joking with a bit of sarcasm towards Rove, right?

by observer11 2008-03-16 08:01PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

this is very impressive.

The Clinton team needs people like you instead of Mark Penn.

I actually  believe all of it.

America deserves a President who surrounds and associates himself with people who love this country.

While I will criticize all of the negative aspects of this country, it is clearly the honest thing to emphasize ulitmately and proudly that the USA is the greatest country every created.

Hillary knows this.  I think Obama knows this too.  But he has chosen to play political games by associating with these people who are anti-American and full of hate.  They are delusional and wrong.  Not completely wrong. But wrong nonetheless.

It is distressing that so many educated and otherwise good Americans are still defending Obama's history. It makes me wonder what would it really take to convince them to stand for what is right?

by yellowdem1129 2008-03-16 04:58AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

stand for what is right? so Repub talking points are now what progressives should stand for? No thanks.

by marcotom 2008-03-16 05:23AM | 0 recs
"Repub talking points are now what

progressives should stand for?"

I guess many here think that since they have been using them on Hillary -- and old, refuted ones, at that!!

by jentwisl 2008-03-16 11:14AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
OOOOH! Shiny Lights! I LOVE shiny lights! Will there be 1000 of them? (and more importantly - will they be pointy?)
by defibialater 2008-03-16 02:26PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Wow, nice prediction.

Can you tell me the numbers for the Megamillions Lotto on Tuesday?

by Walt Starr 2008-03-16 04:59AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Heh.  Maybe.

Maybe not!

by Steve M 2008-03-16 05:03AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Snark much?

by Socks The Cat 2008-03-16 05:19AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

This is a fantastic diary. It's nice to see a work of non-fiction here. Well written, easy to follow and interesting to read. Woo Hoo!

Only one thing: The "wealthiest media magnates" link doesn't seem to be correct. Unless I am missing something which is entirely possible.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-16 05:29AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Thanks.  I fixed the link.

by markjay 2008-03-16 05:33AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

You seem to be confused aobut the meaning of "non-fiction", here let me help you out:
Non-fiction- Obama leads by every verifiable metric
Fiction- Hillary is going to win the nomination

Or heck let me remove our canidates from it and use the GOP people they resemble as frontrunner adn person behind

Non-Ficiton- McCain had a untouchablelead after super tuesday
Fiction- Huckabee was going to win the nomination.

I hope that cleared things up for you, I know you Hill people sometime have trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality. but here's a quick clue if your dog is talking to you and telling you about Hillary's road to victory-- its probably a hallucination.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-16 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

  Oh No, a Black Seperatist!!! I'm personally shocked to suddenly find out (from Faux news, no less...) that some black people aren't happy with the way they've been treated these last 400 YEARS! How can they be so un-American as to express even the slightest hint that they are anything but eternally grateful for all of the wonderful things our government has done for them? Some folks just don't know how to say thank you, eh?

by Kordo 2008-03-16 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

I hope you were being sarcastic.

by Pravin 2008-03-16 11:54AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

I have a really big bridge to sell ya.  It is in the really beautiful part of the country.  In San Francisco.

by Spanky 2008-03-16 05:30AM | 0 recs
Clinton beats Obama on experience??

McCain beats Clinton on experience.

Clinton beats Obama on jingo-istic "I Love America! Where is your flag pin, Muslim, er, black hatred Christian?"

McCain beats Clinton hands down on jingo-istic patriotism.

After vehemently denouncing blacks and mocking college educated liberals, Clinton cannot possibly pivot in time to win them back for the GE.

If TeamHillary defeats Obama using the politics of personal destruction, you will then face a smiling John McCain who will say:

"I don't think Rezko and Wright were such a big deal. Tell me Hillary, do you actually enjoy employing the politics of personal destruction?"

Then, John McCain drinks Clinton's milkshake.

by Bill White 2008-03-16 05:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton beats Obama on experience??

Clinton did not denounce blacks what a lie that is such garbage you are spouting, she did no such thing.  Hillary Clinton is no racist, but it seems that Obama's mentor and wife are.  The politics of personal destruction?  It is the Obama supporters who trash talk, just like your post which is so full of garbage those are the people who are doing the politics of personal destruction, you, you are the one who is doing the very thing your are decrying.  Look in a mirror.

And wise up, you may be so enraptured with Obama but the rest of us are not so blind that we can't see Obama has some serious problems, you can't dismiss them just because you want to overlook them, others will not be so forgiving.  You are the one who is suffering from the disease, not Hillary.  Sure she is a politician, but then that is all Obama is too, just another politician, not a savior, not even a truth teller, not a uniter but a divider who will cause the democratic party to lose if he is the nominee.

by democrat voter 2008-03-16 05:43AM | 0 recs
Hmmm . . .

I see a LOT of anger from you and LITTLE analysis.

But maybe I am blinded by the latte.

Cheers!

by Bill White 2008-03-16 06:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Hmmm . . .

thats great coming from you. Where is your analysis?

by sepulvedaj3 2008-03-16 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Hmmm . . .

Exactly, but I have found traveling through the blogs, that Obama followers don't have much to say.  So, they attack, change the subject or blame Hillary (and her supporters).  Most with more vitriol and colorful language; this one was quite mild but still quite disingenuous.

by anya109 2008-03-16 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton beats Obama on experience??

It is absolutely garbage. Well put. Gutter politics.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-16 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton beats Obama on experience??

Your candidate started this race baiting. Jesse Jackson Jr. started it all.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-16 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton beats Obama on experience??

Do you have any idea what comments like this sound like to people who don't have a bone in this fight?  You sound like 6 year old complaining to his/her mother.  

Clinton started it!  

No, Obama started it!  

Step back from your computer.  This fight is dangerously close to insane.  Wake up people!   Neither of these candidates are evil.  No matter how much you might now wish for that to be true.

by slippy 2008-03-16 02:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton beats Obama on experience??

When did Clinton denounce Blacks?? That is a pure lie.

McCain does not necessarily beat Clinton on experience or on patriotism.

His experience is entirely in the Senate - she has experience as First Lady, in Arkansas, and the Senate.

Regarding Patriotism - again, she was First Lady.

by nikkid 2008-03-16 08:41AM | 0 recs
This is beyond the pale

vehemently denouncing blacks and mocking college educated liberals

You can't just make crap up.  It's self-destructive.  Even if your candidate wins, he's living off of and in one of those tangled webs that you weave when, you know, you practice to so forth and so on.  

The truth will find you eventually, and it will reconcile things.

by Trickster 2008-03-16 09:41AM | 0 recs
Trickster, we have the video from OH

Birkenstocks, lattes, hybrid cars . . .

by Bill White 2008-03-16 10:13AM | 0 recs
Wait a minute...

I've really had it with this whole "Hillary unleashes the politics of personal destruction on noble Obama" meme. They are both politicians. They have both played hardball and thrown a lot of elbows. I could make an argument about who has been worse and who started it but I'm not going to go there now. What I am going to say is that it's utterly absurd and wishful thinking taken to an extreme to blame Clinton for Obama's association with Wright and for the play that's getting in the media now.

Obama made his choices in this regard, so put the blame where it belong - on Obama. And be grateful that this is coming out now, rather than after he's nominated and facing McCain in the general. Maybe we still have a chance to nominate the more electable candidate (in my opinion). Maybe the exposure this is getting now will help immunize Obama in the general, if he's the nominee.

But blaming Clinton? Come on.

by OtherLisa 2008-03-16 11:08AM | 0 recs
Agree

I'm still trying to figure out how "fairy tale" was a racist remark.

In one of the most crucial Dem primaries in years Dems need to have an honest, undisrupted discussion about candidates qualifications and ability to win and lead under pressure.

Yet every time the subject comes up someone diverts the discussion to the wedge issue of "racism".  Brilliant tactic, but not productive.

Can we expect the same thing if Obama wins the WH? Every time we question one of his decisions, he'll cry racism?  We've had 8 years of a president who was immune to public criticism, why would we want to put ourselves through that again?

by Betsy McCall 2008-03-16 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Agree

Yet every time the subject comes up someone diverts the discussion to the wedge issue of "racism".  Brilliant tactic, but not productive.

Similarly, every time Hillary talks about national security issues, the Obama campaign tries to divert the discussion to one of "fear."

Hillary Clinton: candidate of racism and fear.

Give it a rest.

by He Who Must Not Be Named 2008-03-16 12:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Agree

Yet every time the subject comes up someone diverts the discussion to the wedge issue of "racism".  Brilliant tactic, but not productive.

That's one of the reasons I'm so proud of the Clinton campaign. You never hear anyone suggest that critiquing her vote on Iraq or her lack of leadership in the Senate for the last eight years is just a mask for the hateful misogyny that motivates all Obama supporters.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-16 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Agree

I believe that it is a disingenous argument that "masks" (reference to BlueinColorado) the reality of Obama voting like most Dems on the war and not being any type of leader to get out of Iraq (you know, a "fairy tale" - attributed to Bill Clinton, when he correctly demonstrates that Obama is not the antiwar candidate).

by anya109 2008-03-16 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Agree

"a mask for the hateful misogyny that motivates all Obama supporters"

This comment is certifiable.  Do you really believe this?  Wow.  This thing has crossed a line way over into almost complete insanity.

Neither candidate, nor their supporters are anything like this quote.  You are contributing to a spiral of Democratic party implosion.

This is my last comment here at MyDD, I just came by to see what was going on.

by slippy 2008-03-16 02:13PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Very interesting.  I hope that the SDs are rethinking their votes for this nomination, I also hope that Obama loses badly in Pennsylvania.  I wish Nancy Pelosi would just shut up already.  The thing she should have done was not take impeachment of the current occupant in the WH off the table, where her opinion was the most important opinion there is, but in this nomination process she has exactly one vote, just like any other SD.  Now she wants to insert herself where she has no authority and makes no sense because how do you determine the will of the people and at what time are you determining the will of the people.  Before the Wright mess and Rezko trial or after it.  The only people who are now for Obama are the coolaid drinkers, the other people who were not yet on board the Obama gravy train will now not get onboard due to this dust up about these tawdry matters with Obama.  These revelations make Obama basically unelectable.  If the democratic party insists on putting him as our nominee, he will lose the Nov election.  That would be so tragic because we could win with Hillary, even if they force her to put Obama on the ticket, which would be at this time a detriment but the AA community may not be happy unless he is.  However surely the Obama supporters must see if they can look at this thing dispassionately that he has become a liability because of this ugly hate speech from his pastor and mentor.  Unacceptable.

One thing that the DNC must do is seat the Florida delegates and count those votes.  I saw a state senator from Fl this morning on C-span and he said that the DNC gave wavers to Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina because they all moved up their primaries and caucuses, so they only denied Florida a waver.  It seems to me the simplest solution is to grant that waver to Florida, there is no reason that the waver should not be granted, after all they gave those other states wavers.  It is selective discrimination to give those other states wavers and deny Floridqa one just to prove they have the power. As for following the rules, they are the rule makers, they are the waver givers, they already gave other states wavers so it is right to give Florida one.  This would fix the problem, they need Florida this fall and the state senator says that if Fl is not seated now, they could not count on winning Fl in the fall.  It seems more important to me to be concerned with the fall election than some selective rule that they made and can change with a simple waver.  The claims from the Obama campaign are only self serving because Obama lost the state.  He is ahead now, he should allow those votes to count, 1.75 million democrats voted in the primary and those voters must be respected after all they had no say on when they voted, they did vote, count the votes.

by democrat voter 2008-03-16 05:35AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

And yet they knew their vote would not count.  No waiver should be granted and those delegates should not be seated.

We need another answer.

by Socks The Cat 2008-03-16 05:56AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

The fact that the electorate found the need to express their voices through their votes demonstrates that their votes should NOT be disenfranchised. If they felt strongly enough to go out and vote even though they were told their votes may not count it clearly shows that they have chosen democracy over the DNC. And our Democratic party used to respect that.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-16 08:10AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Unfortunately, that was the "bad old Democratic Party that actually said that "every vote should count".

The new Democratic Party says:"Every vote should count only if it goes to the candidate that I want and all others are not worthy cause the rules are the rules".  I think I heard that refrain before.

by anya109 2008-03-16 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Because impeachment was such a boon for the GOP in 90s it only you know doubled Clinton's ratings for an impotent gesture (and make no mistake if we somehow got a bill of impeachment through the house, it would have been shutdown in the Senate just like the GOP was v. Clinton).

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-16 09:02AM | 0 recs
Florida will vote in the GE

and ignoring Dem voters there would be a mistake for the DNC.

Time to put it to rest and take up the argument in 4 yrs.  Its no longer relevant.

by Betsy McCall 2008-03-16 11:59AM | 0 recs
The Amazing Kreskin!

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-16 06:13AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

I must say, with all due respect, your synopsis above there is full of fail.

I certainly am not a college educated, upper-middle class liberal, nor black. I doubt seriously that Obama could have won Iowa- I was born and raised there- and taking a look at the breakdown, he did well even in the middle of farm country, rife with rednecks and immigrants. He won Virginia, where I currently live, even places like Roanoke and Richmond, which are NOT your typical "inner city libruls". And you're telling me Wyoming, Utah, Idaho, etc, are full of enough college educated, latte sipping whites/African Americans to make a coalition?

I went to both an Obama and a Clinton campaign stop while they were in my area. The line for tickets for the Obama show stretched for almost half a mile. The Clinton show was not sold out. What's more, I saw people from all walks of life at the Obama rally; we have sizeable Indian (from India), Japanese, and southeast Asian communities in my city) and they were well represented in the crowd, amongst your aforementioned "black and latte white" group.

The Clinton group was strictly white, and mostly older women. Indeed, mostly women period. I'd say 75% of the crowd was women.

Now, you tell ME about coalitions. Or can you have women be your main draw because "that's okay"?

by ragekage 2008-03-16 06:15AM | 0 recs
Missing the point

As the OP pointed out, Obama is a flash in the pan, not qualified to serve as president with questionable experience and a career record of only looking out for his own personal ambitions.

He got this far in the primary through clever marketing, lots of money from special interests and by cleverly introducing a controversial wedge issue to attack his opponents every time they questioned him on experience or issues.

That doesn't make him a good candidate nor a good potetntial president, regardless of which demographics support him.

by Betsy McCall 2008-03-16 12:03PM | 0 recs
I like this part

"regardless of which demographics support him."

way to insult millions of people.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 07:02PM | 0 recs
Funny stuff

These are the kinds of fantasies I whip up in times of despair too. Well, especially in moments of false hope when it appears like everything is going to change. Like when your team is down 35-10 early in the 4th quarter and you get a turnover and head for a touchdown. Then you think. "Well, that'll make it 35-17. Then if we hold them and get the ball back, we can score again quickly and make it 35-24. Then maybe they'll get another turnover and make it 35-31. And then an onside kick and who knows?"

It worked for the Bills against the Oilers one time. Keep Hope Alive!!!

by elrod 2008-03-16 06:23AM | 0 recs
GOP thankful to Obama (they should be!)

good diary, but it may be too late. Even if Hillary will win PA, IN, WV, KY & PR,
Obama still has a chance to be nominated despite his misjudgments (Wright, Rezko),
idiotic health plan, double talk (NAFTA/CTV) and a lot of other problems he has.

This means that he actually played for GOP the role of the internal bomb inside Democratic Party:

  1. he managed to do to Clintons what GOPs never abled to do;
  2. he managed to deeply divide Democratic Party
  3. he managed Democratic party to (almost) nominate the candidate, which is doomed to lose in landslide (as McGovern or Dukakis) to a very weak GOP candidate
in the year where everybody hates GOPs and Democrats have the best chance to get to the power again.

Good job, Mr. Obama, GOPs have to return you the favor - but they will do that only after the will swiftboat you
(just take look on what FNN did yesterday and more to come)!

by engels 2008-03-16 06:30AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

He managed to divide the Democratic party? How so? By getting more voters to support him?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 07:24AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Yes - more voters to vote for HIM - not Democratic initiatives.
Heck! in Texas, Obama voters didn't even vote for the rest of the ticket.

And since Obama's campaign has been based on HIM - in the general those Repubs and Indys will base their vote on HIM (and Wright and Michelle's comments) - not Dem policies.

by annefrank 2008-03-16 09:06AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

I guess that's why he went +10 in Iowa yesterday.  All those folks are cult members or Republicans or something.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 10:37AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Iowa doesn't represent the American electorate.

by annefrank 2008-03-16 03:04PM | 0 recs
to you folks

tens of state do not represent American electorate. Cause you know they are "insignificant".

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 07:03PM | 0 recs
Whether he got more voters is questionable

Obama's success thus far was in his ability to leverage a decrepit caucus system in many states, one where most people who participated were not even required to show ID or prove they were registered voters.

Whether that's real voter support is questionable.

by Betsy McCall 2008-03-16 12:07PM | 0 recs
everyone sucks

and is a cheater when your candidate is losing I see.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 07:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband & Wife

Any White Husband & Wife Democratic Politician who attended for 20 years a church with a Rev. Wright would have been CONDEMNED as a RACIST by the SAME Liberal whites & Blacks who are NOW supporting Obama. And to add insult, to ask the SAME RACIST Pastor to marry you & your wife, and baptized you two children.

And in this case, the IMPOSSIBILITY of TWO HIGHLY EDUCATED HARVARD LAWYERS not KNOWING nor being aware of All this Racial , Anti-American bigotry!

Its the biggest type of Hypocrisy.

If John & Liz Edwards or Bill & Hillary attended a predominantly White church in North Carolina or Arkansas, and the Pastor spewed All this Anti-American, Racial & Bigotry- Edwards & Clinton would be FINISHED!

Where is Ted Kennedy ? Where is Jesse Jackson?

I don't hear any White Liberals Speaking up ?

I don't hear African-Americans speaking up?

There is ONE thing I have NEVER BEEN SURE OF, Barack Obama will LOSE to  John McCain by a HUGE MARGIN in November! It  Would be in the magnitude of a Dukakis landslide.

This  VIDEO is the Final piece to the BREAK-UP of the Democratic coalition in Nov.

The Anti-White, Anti-American hate is the Nail in the coffin for Millions of White Moderate & Reagan Democratic voters. The Anti-Semetic is the FINAL Nail in the already weak JEWISH support for Obama. The Anti-USA spew is the final kiss of death for Latinos & Asians.

This thing is Over! White america would NEVER elect President & First Lady who has this garbage.

It was HARD ENOUGH to convince Whites,Latinos, & Asians to vote for him in the General Election, THIS LATEST puts the Nail in to coffin.

P.S. In the last 48 hours, there is ABSOLUTE pandemonium  in Right Talk Radio. They say, Now they understand why Michelle was NEVER proud to be an american. Its all the HATE, Anti-American that her & Barack get every sunday from a black bigot in Rev. Wright.

What do you call a follower who listens with his family to bigotry for 20 long years ?

by labanman 2008-03-16 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband & Wife

Take a Xanax, dude. Haven't you learned anything about talk radio? There will be "pandemonium" on there regardless of who the candidate - which is why we shouldn't let them influence who we choose as the nominee.

by amiches 2008-03-16 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband & Wife
The MSM has been in Obama's camp from the gitgo - promoting their media created rockstar and concealing negative info about him from the public.
But - Obama's followers haven't been influenced by the media??!???
by annefrank 2008-03-16 09:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband & Wife

Right, which is why Wright and Rezko lead the nightly newscasts, but nothing on Kazakhstan, tax returns, or earmarks. You, too, can take a Xanax.

by amiches 2008-03-16 10:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband & Wife

The question is why these stories weren't leading the nightly newscasts a year ago--the information was out there, especially in the case of Wright. Instead, the media was fixated on much more important candidate exposes, like the sotry about John Edwards' $400 haircut.

by Inky 2008-03-16 10:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband &

Stories about Wright have been out for six months now, and I'd challenge you to show me a mainstream outlet where the $400 haircut received serious attention.

Why is the first reflex of a defeated candidate's supporters to blame the media? Come to think of it, it's the same thing in sports.

by amiches 2008-03-16 12:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband &

Videos of Wright's sermons came out a few days ago, even thoughthey've been available for sale on their website this whole time. Talk about the MSM not performing due diligence.

I'd challenge you to show me a mainstream outlet where the $400 haircut received serious attention.

I can't believe that you're even serious about this. Here, take a look:

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&a mp;hl=en&rlz=&q=edwards+%24400+d ollar+haircut&btnG=Google+Search

How about this? I challange you to name a major media outlet that did not cover it.

by Inky 2008-03-16 12:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband &

Your link shows wingnut websites, blogs, and meta-coverage. Not mainstream media outlets.

When are the Clintons going to release their tax returns, presidential library donors, or Congressional earmarks? Better perform due diligence  on them, too.

by amiches 2008-03-16 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband &

I ask you again--name a major media outlet that did not cover the $400 haircut.

I see that you cannot.

by Inky 2008-03-16 01:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband &

You're asking me to prove a negative? You link to a google search that has nothing but blogs, freeper sites, and meta coverage and call that "every major media outlet"?

Come on.

by amiches 2008-03-16 01:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband &

No! I'm asking you prove a positive. I'm asking you to name just one major media outlet that did not cover the $400 haircut: ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, Washington Post, New Times, Chicago Tribune, you name it.

Surely you can come up with one. You name just one such outlet, and it will be my job to prove you wrong.

by Inky 2008-03-16 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband & Wife

Your comments about the absence of people speaking up against this heinous racism is right on the mark. The general consensus appears to be that the best way to deal with this is to sweep it under the carpet and move on. I say with confidence that this story will not only not go away, it will become much more prominent in the very near future.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-16 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband & Wife

While it is divisive to point to the fact that white people control the power structure in this country, it is not racist.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 08:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband & Wife

Jesse Jackson won SC in 1984 and 1988.
That's a historical fact - but it's "racist" - remember?

Here's another "racist" statement according to Obama followers - "LBJ pushed and implemented MLK, Jr's dream."

Obama followers can "find" a "racist" statement or MOTIVE in just about every comment - but only comments made by those who support another candidate other than Obama.

by annefrank 2008-03-16 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband & Wife

Yes, the Jesse Jackson comment sounds a bit racist, though I do not believe that Bill Clinton is racist.

The LBJ comment, "it took a president to get it done" was not racist, but was racially insensitive, though I believe Hillary was speaking off the cuff and did not mean it to come across that way.

The Geraldine Ferraro statement was not off the cuff, was repeated on various news outlets, was unapologetic and was racist no matter how Geraldine spins it.  That doesn't mean Hillary and Bill are racists.  They didn't say it.

The Jesse Jackson Jr. comment was wrong and exposed a proclivity in him to see just about everything in terms of black or white, which is sad.

And finally, Rev. Wright spewed some hatred and some factually incorrect statements.  Similar to how Jesses Jackson won SC in 1984 and 1988 is a historical fact, so is the fact that Tuskeegee experiments were conducted on black men for 40 years, so is the fact that "Hillary has never been called a nigger."  Doesn't make it right to say.

Let's have some perspective in our comments

by shalca 2008-03-16 10:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Any White Husband...

Not to mention the "Bill Clinton riding dirty" remark, which was totally beyond the pale.

by OtherLisa 2008-03-16 11:24AM | 0 recs
Looks like he peaked too early.

It's a shame. Barak Obama really does have Promise.

I've not been following all that closely. I'm not even sure what today's date is.

Hah!

by ROGNM 2008-03-16 08:07AM | 0 recs
by Etchasketchist 2008-03-16 08:11AM | 0 recs
You're is the word youre looking for not YOUR

 You may rock knobs, but you don't know the difference between your and you're

by patti 2008-03-16 08:27AM | 0 recs
Re: You're is the word youre looking for not YOUR

Your last two comments on this site have typos... If you're going to play grammar police you should move out of that glass house.

HINT: You are biased, you are NOT bias.  People lose contests, they don't "loose" them.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-03-16 12:19PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Excellent Diary. I especially liked reading about his Alice Palmer take down. Since I met Alice Palmer at Hillary Clinton's rally in Houston, I was unaware of Obama's underhanded means of taking her seat in the state senate.

I think more of his supporters should become aware of this so that they can see he is politics as usual, not the breathe of fresh air they thought or think he is.

by nikkid 2008-03-16 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

It is so underhanded to make sure people follow the rules affecting who gets on the ballot!!!  It's cheating to follow the rules....

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 08:53AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
According to Obama followers - the rules don't count in Texas and Hillary is a B and "messing with Texas" because she's seeking the Truth.
 
by annefrank 2008-03-16 09:17AM | 0 recs
I am not even sure

what you said. I think a bit more coherency would help.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 10:26AM | 0 recs
Re: I am not even sure
In case you didn't know - Obama's campaign has promoted "Hillary is a B_ _ _ H!" ideology.
Need proof? check out DailyO rec list - where you'll find more twisted titles against Hillary than diaries promoting Obama.
by annefrank 2008-03-16 03:09PM | 0 recs
so lets see if I got this straight

Obama's campaign promoted Hillary is a B** ideology. And your proof is in Dkos's rec list?

I guess if I find some Clinton supporters who say Obama is a n**** that means Hillary campaign is promoting that.

Or you know it just mean some people are stupid.

Take your pick.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Yes, Obama is toast in a general election.

That is why the MSM came to his rescue this morning, trying to downplay the Wright comments.

They consistently pillory the Clinton campaign--even over absolutely true remarks by Geraldine Ferraro, who has already gone from the Clinton camp.

And they act as though Obama's close friend, minister of twenty years, "spiritual advisor," creator of both his book title and credo "Audacity of Hope" the Reverend Wright's vehemently anti-White comments matter not a damn.

Of course they matter, very, very much.  The MSM knows this.  This was THE BIG STORY of the year.  It means the GOP has fodder for months to come, right on through November.

But alas, Senator Clinton is still "in it to win it," and she is poised to win Pennsylvania VERY BIG, and yes indeed West Virginia, Kentucky, and winner-take-all Puerto Rico.  If the preferances of Florida and Michigan were accepted, SHE would have the delegate lead, even now, and NOT Obama.

And there would be no talk of "insurmountable delegate leads" by Obama and company.

The MSM--shields for the Obama camp--are now desperate.  

They must try to salvage Obama, inasmuch as he is not yet the nominee.

And they know, coming down the pike, his path toward the nomination is rocky indeed.

That path much more favors her than him--even in Florida and Michigan, states she handily won already and in fair primaries would go her way once more.  

Not by "small percentages," as the Obama camp would have you believe.  Michigan and Florida voters all knew very well whom they were voting for--their choice in both states, overwhelmingly, was Hillary.  

The only reason they are not being seated or that their votes must be cast in another light is because those states did not go Obama's way.  

In other words, seating them as is gives Senator Clinton the lead going into the Convention.  And that is unacceptable to camp Obama and their MSM shields.

The Obama people have always lived in their delusional world.  

They believe that because Oprah Winfrey and the MSM now badly wants Obama, that magically he will prevail in the fall.

They believe that although he has not won a single blue state outside of Illinois, he will prevail in them anyway come the fall.

They believe that having lost 83 of 88 Ohio counties in the primary means nothing as to how they will do there in the fall.

They believe that the fact that they will also lose Pennsylvania big time on April 22 means nothing as to how they will do there in the fall.

They believe their largely Red State and Fringe State wins somehow puts those states all into play for them--even against a social moderate like John McCain.

And they truly believe that the Reverend Wright story is over--because the MSM, their shields, so informs them.

I truly pity the Obama folk.  

They are every bit as clueless as were all the blogosophere liberals who cast money and energy on behalf of defeating Joe Lieberman by way of Ned Lamont, and were then stunned when Lieberman as an independent handily won Connecticut in the general.

We in the Clinton camp have long known the media's hate.

The MSM loathed Bill Clinton, pronounced him dead dozens of times en route to his presidency in 1992.

They never allowed him a political honeymoon.

He was fully to blame for all events in Somalia--just a week into his presidency.

And the MSM and the GOP Right sought to massacre the Clinton health care proposal long before now Senator Hillary Clinton could advocate its merits.

The Newt Gingrich Radical Right Congress tortured Bill and Hillary Clinton for eight years.

The MSM and that Right Wing advocated their Impeachment and Resignation.

Ken Starr's Inquisition examined every aspect of Bill and Hillary's life, time and again.  Starr's group imprisoned close Clinton friends in efforts to "make them talk" against them.

The GOP Congress ingored the will of the people and impeached Bill Clinton.

Most media newspapers advocated his resignation.

But alas for them, instead, Bill Clinton prevailed--over the longest peacetime expansion in United States history.

He left office with sky-high approval ratings.  The deficit was under control, with a golden surplus, and there was peace in the world, with major initiatives in the Middle East and Northern Ireland.

And the MSM hated Bill Clinton all the more for it.

Hillary Clinton was asked to run for the Senate in New York state.

The MSM jeered, downplaying her chances.  Yet she won handily--and was well-liked in New York state, winning handily again in 2006.

And, after seven long years of GOP and GWB mismanagement, the MSM knew that the Clinton team was poised to make a major come-back.

Nothing was more unacceptable to the MSM than such a prospect.

The MSM's hated enemies coming back, to again restore that peace and prosperity?

Let America die first, the MSM thought--not if the MSM could help it.

The MSM wanted John McCain, closest to the Bush war philosophy, and after a rocky start, they got John McCain nominated.

But that still left Hillary Clinton in the running.

Now, how to stop her?

There was Barack Obama, their mannah from heaven.  Karl Rove and company knew that African-Americans would follow him out of racial pride.

And thus began the trashing of the "first black president," from blacks themselves.

This was a dream come true for the MSM.

Moveon.org, which came into existence to prevent the Clinton impeachment, now began to raise piles of money to defeat Hillary Clinton.

And Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Bill Bradlery and all the other also-rans of the Democratic Party, jealous as all hell because the Clintons had bested them, followed that Rovian line.

Thus, a segment of the Democratic Party itself was trashing its own last successful United States President and First Lady.

What a dream come true for the MSM!

Accordingly, Hillary was called dead on arrival after the first Iowa caucus, with all those bused-in and well paid Obama forces coalescing but no more truly representing Iowa than party-goers in a big hotel truly represent the sentiments of management.

She was supposed to lose New Hampshire.  All the MSM polls said so.  She won, sadly for them--and they wouldn't call thast state in her favor until after 11:00 P.M. EST.

She was supposed to lose Nevada.  After all, Obama had the support of Culinary Workers.  But Hillary won handily.  So the MSM narrative was that Obama ended up with one more delegate, whether true or false.

Neither Michigan nor Florida could count--with her huge margins of victory in both--because those states "violated the DNC rules," even though both Michigan and Florida were seminal in securing John McCain the GOP nomination.  

In the skewered logic of Obama World (and of MSM World), although everyone in the GOP knew very well whom they were voting for, the Dems at the same time couldn't be judged the same way.  After all, Obama hadn't campaigned in these.  Of course, no other candidate did either--but such is the illogic of Obama World.

Thus South Carolina--a GOP stronghold if ever there was one--represzented a big win for the Obama camp.  Although everyone by that time knew full well that the Democratic campaign by then was fully racial.  When Bill Clinton pointed out the obvious--that the Reverend Jesse Jackson had himself won that state by even bigger margins in 1988 and the MSM at that time had discounted that win as being racial--Bill Clinton, the "first black president" became a racist.

The GOP, Rove, Roger Ailes and company were now dancing for joy.  Surely they had killed off the Clintons at last, and from within their party!

But then came Super Tuesday.  MSM pollster John Zogby said that Obama was surging everywhere, that he would win California, even Massachusetts!  And the Kennedys and Oprah were everywhere--to make certain that the death of Hillary Clinton could be proclaimed.

The MSM had us believe that California was "competitive," or "too close to call" on Election Night.  Of course, California was never too close to call.  The Zogby pollsters had outright lied in an effort to promulgate Obama.

On Super Tuesday, save Obama's Illinois (and the wash in Missouri), all major states went Hillary Clinton's way.  And again other than his native Illinois, Obama won very Red and Fringe state America.

So the MSM could not pronounce her dead.

Accordingly, there came a "string of eleven wins" for Obama, largely out of unrepresentative caucuses (like Maine and Washington) and heavily independent Wisconsin, and of course heavily African-American primary states.

Thus, Hillary was pronounced dead--again!  Why, oh why, thought the MSM, was she not getting out?

Her epitaph was then scheduled for the Ohio/Texas/Rhode Island/Vermont quartet.

But alas, Hillary prevailed in three of the four, handily carrying Ohio and winning against all odds in the Texas primary.  Although she had been out-spent by team Obama by four-to-one or better, while most newspapers and of course broadcast journalism went Obama's way.

Sadly for the MSM, her epitaph was prematurely.

And even after heavily African-American Mississippi--wherein ominously for the fall, Senator Clinton received a whopping two-thirds of the White vote--and the GOP stalwart Wyoming, wherein Obama collected a mere two additional delegates, the MSM began trumpeting anew "Obama's insurmountable delegate lead."

Of course, this meant NOT COUNTING Michigan and Florida, as Democrats there actually voted.

That is the "inconvenient truth" of the Clinton-hating, pro-Obama MSM team.  Those key states as actually having voted must not be so represented.  Otherwise, team Obama is trailing in delegates.

Which brings us to today.  Geraldine Ferraro utters words of pure truth and leaves team Clinton.  But that story matters.  The Reverend Wright's vehemently anti-White and in fact anti-American commentaries, the perfect fodder for the GOP, does not matter.

Why?

We Clinton people know all too well.

Hillary is still "in it to win it."

The mission of the MSM in 2008 has yet to be accomplished--the Clintons are still standing.

So, while team Obama still believes their candidate is invincible, we Clintonites know otherwise.

We'll never have the press on our side.  We'll never have Obama's money.

We've got something else--real, bedrock blue (read Democrat) state America on our side.

We love the Clintons in Ohio, Florida, California, Texas, New York, New Jersey, Michigan, Massachusetts--and several more states besides--so that her current state primary wins alone would grant to her the presidency in the Electoral College come the fall.

The fact that Howard Dean's caucus and Red State wins for Obama have nothing to do with the Electoral College map in the fall is another "inconvenient truth."

And all the Clinton hate?  All the talk of forcing the Clintons out?

We Clintonites have been there many times before.

And the Clintons have ALWAYS triumphed.

Team Obama and his MSM shields are child's play for the Clintons after years of Inquisition and Impeachment.

She now only trails by a hundred or so delegates.  Before seating Michigan and Florida.  And before Pennsylvania.

We aren't remotely scared.  Our path to the nomination is much easier than the MSM can possibly imagine.

Which is why the MSM went to bat for team Obama this morning, acting as though the Reverend Wright's comments mattered not at all.

When they mattered very, very much.  In fact, that story is the beginning of the end of team Obama.

Next year, when the story of how President Hillary Clinton came to be is revealed, its significance will finally be truthfully told.

by lambros 2008-03-16 08:43AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Neither Michigan nor Florida could count--with her huge margins of victory in both--because those states "violated the DNC rules," even though both Michigan and Florida were seminal in securing John McCain the GOP nomination.  

Um, just thought I'd point this out, McCain lost Michigan pretty badly.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-16 09:08AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
The MSM has manipulated the primary from the gitgo! - and even now - are doing whatever it takes to continue the process.
It's more money for them!
by annefrank 2008-03-16 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

And the Clintons have ALWAYS triumphed.

Winning a three way GE in '92.

Losing health care reform with a Democratic majority.

Losing a forty year majority in Congress in '94.

Being impeached by not convicted.

Beating Rick Lazio in a blue state.

Voting for George Bush's war.

Beating some guy who himself barely notice he was running in a blue state.

Losing the "inevitable" Democratic nomination to someone her supporters describe as an "empty suit", and blaming everything and everyone but her own bad instincts (especially that war vote).

Those are some pretty debatable "triumphs".

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-16 09:28AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Great analysis.  We know better.

I haven't met a single Hillary supporter who felt defeated.  We are more determine than ever that she's in it to win it.  

MSM propaganda have no impact on us because we live in reality.
The road to the White House is getting clearer everyday for HRC.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-16 09:40AM | 0 recs
yeah thanks for

the Obama obituary.

You guys pronounced him dead so many time, its getting funny.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Fanfic on MyDD? I don't get this, unless it's really subtle satire.

Do you know how repugnant it is to insinuate that you're the only "real" Democrats, and that everyone else supporting Obama is either a fake, latte-sipping rich guy, or a black person obviously supporting a fellow black.

I've seen this constantly here, along with dire predictions of Obama's doom--doom!!--because of Wright (actually, it's more rooting for doom than predicting it). The media's already moved past it. Isn't it possible that it's just not that big a deal?

I honestly don't even understand a lot of people here anymore.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-16 08:44AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Wright may be "no big deal" in the Dem Primary - but most people assume Obama is hoping to be a nominee in the General where it WILL be a big deal.
As well as Michelle Obama's "anti-America" comments.
by annefrank 2008-03-16 09:24AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

it will be a big deal for mainstream American.  especially after they watch a tape of 9/11 in youtube again, and realized that Wright made his anti-American comment just 5 days after 9/11.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-16 09:44AM | 0 recs
thanks for fearmongering.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

You need to read the Chicago Tribune, annefrank.  Then you'll realize that they've given him a pass on this.  There is no there there.  

It's like Whitewater.  There was nothing there, and there is nothing there with Rezko.  

And Wright's comments are not Obama's.  Nice of you fan the flames for the GOP, tho.  I look forward to reading your mea culpa the day after we get Obama elected President.  

I fully expect you to apologize for your divisive comments.  But I'm not holding my breath.  

by DailyKingFish 2008-03-16 10:21AM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Fan the flames for the GOP??
Obama has done that - not me.

But it is amusing today reading Obama followers fusing Wright with Jesus.
Holy Moly!

by annefrank 2008-03-16 03:16PM | 0 recs
Great job

I feel if Hillary does win PA by a sizable double digit margin it could cause a rush of momentum for Hillary. NC is by no means out of reach. If she takes all next three major contests--PA, NC and IN--than I think she'll be the nominee. Late momentum needs to count for something to those Super delegates.

by Christopher Lib 2008-03-16 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Great job
"Latte" momentum beats late momentum every time. ( and it is SO much tastier!)
by defibialater 2008-03-16 09:38AM | 0 recs
and full of froth

by earthoat 2008-03-16 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Great job

Already decided Oregon and its delegates (and electoral votes) don't count, eh?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-16 09:40AM | 0 recs
kinda like the

Ohio-Rhode Island momentum that helped Hillary win Wyoming and Mississippi. Oh wait....

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 10:22AM | 0 recs
Yeah, like

Wyoming, where all five Democrats were brow beaten by Obama caucus goers into submission, and

Mississippi, where the entire Democratic electorate are members of BO's extended "family" ...

Yeah, real relevant comparison to the others ...

by plf1953 2008-03-16 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah, like

where the entire Democratic electorate are members of BO's extended "family" ...

Wow. Just.... wow.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-16 01:12PM | 0 recs
Racism?....what racism?
Mississippi, where the entire Democratic electorate are members of BO's extended "family" ...
plf, what part of the "USA of KKK" do you live in?
by defibialater 2008-03-16 01:20PM | 0 recs
I see you wondered over from Strormfront

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 02:27PM | 0 recs
yes his extended family

the human family...unlike you.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 02:27PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

From your lips to God's ears.

by ellend818 2008-03-16 08:56AM | 0 recs
Really?

If you want God to hear and act on something, how about beating McCain?? You know, the Republican nominee?

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-16 09:25AM | 0 recs
The President, if Obamites have their way.

by earthoat 2008-03-16 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: The President, if Obamites have their way.

Yes, Obamites want John McCain to be president.

What an astoundingly silly statement.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-16 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Clinton will soon have to answer her own questions

www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/edit orials/chi-0316edit2mar16,0,1138530.stor y
chicagotribune.com
Editorials
What is Clinton hiding?

March 16, 2008

In politics, honesty is not always the easiest policy. Barack Obama got a reminder of that when he released a list of "earmark" expenditures he has proposed -- including a $1 million request for the University of Chicago Medical Center, where his wife, Michelle, is a vice president. In his meeting Friday with the Tribune editorial board, Obama indicated that he should have left that item to fellow Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, but he's willing to disclose it and be held accountable.

Hillary Clinton, by contrast, often seems to operate by the maxim that silence is golden. When asked whether she would release a list of her earmarks, her spokesman dodged the question, while declaring that she is "proud of the investments in New York that she has secured." But for now, at least, not proud enough to let voters know what they are.

This exercise in secrecy is part of a Clinton pattern that grows more worrisome all the time. The former first lady often says that she, unlike Obama, has been thoroughly vetted, rendering her impervious to Republican attacks. In fact, there are some important things unknown about her -- and her conduct suggests she wants to keep it that way. Which raises a question for voters: What is she hiding, and why?

There is, for example, the matter of the Clinton tax returns. Obama has released his, but she has stalled on following suit. (John McCain also has balked.) When asked about them in a February debate, she insisted she would make the returns public. But when asked if she would do so before the March 4 primaries, she replied, unconvincingly, "Well, I can't get it together by then, but I will certainly work to get it together. I'm a little busy right now; I hardly have time to sleep."

Clearly this is a sensitive point with Clinton. When Obama pressed the issue recently, her spokesman accused him of "imitating Ken Starr." Never mind that clean-government groups like Common Cause also have called on her to release her returns.

Why are these documents so important? Partly because such basic information is rightly expected of modern presidential candidates. John Kerry released his in 2003, before the primaries even began. Partly because they would reveal details on what her husband is being paid for consulting, and who has paid for his travel.

Disclosure might shed light on Bill Clinton's dealings with the likes of Canadian mining magnate Frank Giustra -- whom the former president accompanied on a 2005 trip to Kazakhstan. Giustra landed a major uranium mining deal on the trip, and not long after made a secret $31 million donation to Clinton's charitable foundation.

Bill Clinton has declined to disclose the donors to either his foundation or his presidential library, which makes it hard to know if wealthy individuals may be trying to curry favor with the woman who may be president -- and if so, who they are.

Maybe all the suspicions are unwarranted. But the best way for Hillary Clinton to put them to rest is to let the sun shine in.

Copyright © 2008, Chicago Tribune

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 09:02AM | 0 recs
Obama's Situation Ethics-- His Earmark Problem

Chicago reporter Lynn Sweet has reported that Obama trying to USE this earmark position actually reveals his lies.

Lynn Sweet used to believe in Obama, now she believes he's a liar who changes his position on issues AFTER he needs to do it for a HUGE political reason.

And her words, he pretends its to have the "moral highground"

Lynn Sweet found Obama's pattern:

1) corporate jet rides--accepted 23 in one year until THE WEEK he was made Lead Senator on ethics.

2) lobbyist money--accepted PAC money and gave $700,000 to people who are now his superdelegates and only stopped THE MOMENT he decided to run for President.

3) earmarks--refused to release his earmarks to Lynn Sweet until JOHN MCCAIN taunted him AND the DAY Congress failed to put a one year moratorium on earmarks.

Fact is, Obama takes high ground---when he's looking for a higher office!  And the Chicago Press just realized it and is leading the accusation.

My Diary
http://mydd.com/user/chieflytrue

Chicago Reporter Lynn Sweet's column

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/ sweet_column_obamas_politicall.html

by chieflytrue 2008-03-16 10:26AM | 0 recs
i really would not

be throwing rocks ina  glass house. Hillary got earmarks up the wazoo.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 07:06PM | 0 recs
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Man, I think this is a very dangerous road for Barack Obama to go down, given his sleazy financial dealings. But I guess you gotta do what you gotta do. LOL.

by cc 2008-03-16 05:45PM | 0 recs
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I'm sure we'll be seeing the premiere of this on MSNBC this week.  Did you see how fast they got to The Rise and Fall of Eliot Spitzer?  They don't play.

by venavena 2008-03-16 09:08AM | 0 recs
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Very funny. Keep dreaming...

by Vladvale 2008-03-16 09:20AM | 0 recs
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What's it called when schadenfreude is based in delusion?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-16 09:22AM | 0 recs
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I think it's called a "wet dream".
by defibialater 2008-03-16 09:40AM | 0 recs
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I like your "I have a dream speech" and I hope it comes true. Because I think your points are right on the money, and I have had these thoughts for weeks. Does "being bamboozled" sound right to you?
Thank you...Hillary is the change America really needs!
by susanclare 2008-03-16 09:27AM | 0 recs
A plum real estate deal?

That he paid market value for...yeah, okay.

by jaywillie 2008-03-16 09:31AM | 0 recs
This is more wishful thinking and fantasy than

cogent thought.

by jaywillie 2008-03-16 09:32AM | 0 recs
And I want a PONY...no wait.... a UNICORN
My Daily Delusion might be a better name for this site.
by defibialater 2008-03-16 09:55AM | 0 recs
a unico-pony

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 10:20AM | 0 recs
the antidote to Daily Thug

by earthoat 2008-03-16 10:21AM | 0 recs
Interesting how

Obama is back up in the polls after a slight dip yesterday. Hmmm, maybe most voters don't care about such trivial things as people on this site...

by animated 2008-03-16 09:58AM | 0 recs
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2008 is gonna be a great year for psychiatrists.

by pitahole 2008-03-16 10:11AM | 0 recs
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Impressive, being able to daydream like that while your candidates is losing so clearly, must help in avoiding becoming depressed.

by hebi 2008-03-16 10:22AM | 0 recs
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Do you feel better now? It's just this sort of faith-based approach to objective reality that has Sen. Clinton in this position in the first place. And, while I compliment you on your imagination & positive thinking, I must tell you that this scenario smells alot like the Cheney/Rumsfeld predictions on Iraq. I'm all for putting the best face on matters, but jeez...
  Btw, if Sen. Obama wins the popular vote, the delegate count, gets more states, AND winds up with more super-dels by the time the convention gets here, who are you going to vote for?
by Kordo 2008-03-16 10:51AM | 0 recs
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The voters of Indiana and North Carolina will greet her as a liberator, she will be met with Flowers and Chocolate! :)

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-16 11:20AM | 0 recs
I thought

Hoping and Dreaming was Obama's province.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-16 11:08AM | 0 recs
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This diary reads like a right-wing diatribe against a Democrat.

by LandStander 2008-03-16 11:26AM | 0 recs
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True.

by IsaacM 2008-03-16 02:37PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

You know, Obama has 170 more pledged delegates than Clinton.  He has 135 more overall delegates.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 11:27AM | 0 recs
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It is now certain that Obama LIED about not being in the church while Wright's hatemongering speeches were given.

Checkout the following article from August 9, 2007.

Wright's strong sentiments were echoed in the Sunday morning service attended by NewsMax.

Wright laced into America's establishment, blaming the "white arrogance" of America's Caucasian majority for the woes of the world, especially the oppression suffered by blacks. To underscore the point he refers to the country as the "United States of White America." Many in the congregation, including Obama, nodded in apparent agreement as these statements were made.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/arti cles/2007/8/8/194812.shtml

by jb0071 2008-03-16 11:30AM | 0 recs
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I never thought I would see Newsmax pointed to gleefully as a source by a "Democratic" blog. Then I came here.
by defibialater 2008-03-16 11:36AM | 0 recs
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I've seen Newsmax quoted on Daily Kos many times as well. It's mostly due to ignorance rather than malice.

by Inky 2008-03-16 11:42AM | 0 recs
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NewsMax, FoxNews, NRO.... as long as it makes Obama look bad, they don't much care where they get it.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-16 01:16PM | 0 recs
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Wow, I came by to visit MyDD and I'm surprised to find that there's not much happening here.  I can understand supporting Hillary Clinton, many people do.  But sheesh, you guys are just pushing smears.  Is this the Democratic party I want to be a part of?  Is this what you want to be a part of?  I know there's these silly wars between MyDD and the Daily Kos, but whatever the complaints around here are against that site, what on earth does that have to do with the candidates?  Man, it's crazy time.

by slippy 2008-03-16 11:37AM | 0 recs
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Agreed. I have gotten more and more disgusted lately with the rabid pro-Clinton slant in most of these posts (please, feel free to support whomever you wish, but this is ludicrous). I am amazed at the "kind of nuts" direction this blog is headed in. I thought the most important thing in the end was putting a Dem in the White House? Enjoy, everyone, I'm out....

by magnoliagirl 2008-03-16 12:52PM | 0 recs
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There's no way Obama survives this. Either he can get destroyed in the general election or not get the nomination. I don't know if things are going to play out the way you are saying but he definitely is done. There's no way he'll make it to the WH with a twenty year association with a hate filled racist church.

by Ga6thDem 2008-03-16 11:39AM | 0 recs
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Reality:  Hillary has won every blue state except Obama's Illinois.  

Reality: Hillary has won every major state primary (including Texas) except Illinois and the draw in Missouri.

Reality: Hillary is heading into the last big state, Pennsylvania, with huge double-digit leads.

Reality: Hillary will prevail in Kentucky, West Virginia and winner-take-all Puerto Rico.

Reality: Obama only has a delegate lead if Michigan and Florida voters as their ballots first were cast are not counted as were first cast.  Michigan and Florida cannot be disenfranchised.  It is therefore unreality to assume that Obama has any delegate lead at all.

Reality: Hillary's primary state wins would already make her the winner of the presidential election in the Electoral College.

Reality: Obama's Red State and Fringe state caucus and primary wins--even with blue state Illinois and transient Missouri in his column--would leave him with no where near enough electorals to win the presidency.

Reality: Howard Dean's proportionate and caucus primary state process HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.  If it did, Hillary's wins in the big states would have made her the nominee long ago.

Reality: the GOP process has everything to do with the Electoral College model of winner-take-all.  That is why McCain was the truly prohibitive nominee a very long time ago.

Reality: Polls predicted Obama easy wins in New Hampshire and Texas, his tying in Ohio, and even him surging in California.  All were wrong.  Dead wrong.

Reality: Hillary blew Obama away in bell-weather Ohio, winning 83 of 88 counties.  There is no way, and no lying pollster (including SUSA) is going to tell any Ohioan still living in reality that Obama can win this state in the fall.

Reality: Polls favoring Obama need some historical perspective.  Polls once also gave Mike Dukakis a huge lead, even post-Convention.  My fellow Greek-Americans believed those polls, just as many an African-American believes the current Obama polls.  But historical reality reveals that Mike Dukakis still lost the general in a landslide.

Reality: the Clintons got to the White House, twice, Bill being the only twice elected Democrat since FDR.

Reality: except for Jimmy Carter's single percent win over Gerald Ford in 1976, a result largely of Watergate, no Democrat except Bill Clinton has been elected President since 1964.

Reality: Bill Clinton left the White House with the longest reign of peace and prosperity in United States history.  And with the longest- running high approval rating since JFK.  And Bill Clinton, through his Global Initiative, is now the most popular politician on earth.

Reality: the media loathes the Clintons.  They are, for them, "the ones that got away."

Reality: the media wants the Clintons gone.

Reality: the Obama forces now also want the Clintons gone.

Reality: the MSM is using Obama as a tool.  They truly want McCain, and Obama guarantees a McCain White vs. Black vote victory in November.

Reality: the Wright commentaries are the most explosive, lethal political fodder ever for the GOP.

Reality: the MSM (and their PROVEN lying pollsters) are downplaying this fact.  This is because the #1 purpose of the 2008 elections has yet to be achieved: stopping the Clintons.

Reality: the Clintons have always prevailed, except once--that being Bill's single gubenatorial loss in Arkansas.  Otherwise, this political power couple have never lost any race they were personally involved in.

Reality: Hillary and Bill can easily bolt the Democratic Party, utilizing the obvious disenfranchisement of Michigan and Florida as a reason to do so.  

That move would instantly endear them even more to both of those states, and instantly make them prohibitive favorites for the fall.  

As a team, they have the greatest of all name recognition, organization, and power.  Hillary would come in first in blue states like New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Michigan and California, and likewise prevail in Ohio and Florida.  In all these states, she had higher vote votals than either McCain or Obama.  She wouldn't need much else to win the presidency.

Reality: one way or another, because the Clintons already know that the Wright videos will ultimately swift-boat both Obama and the Democratic Party into oblivion in November, and because they also know that America has been in shambles since the end of the Clinton presidency, do not assume that they will not do whatever is necessary for Senator Clinton to become President.

Reality: compared to the Clinton team, all other presidential candidates are amateurs.  Or at best losers, like Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, Bill Bradley, John Kerry--naturally all in the Obama camp.

Reality: Hillary Clinton, like her husband before her, will prevail against all odds.  With the Howard Dean party structure against her.  With the MSM solidly against her.  With big money solidly against her.  

But she will prevail, to the astonishment of the MSM, just as Bill Clinton prevailed against Ken Starr, a Newt Gingrich Congress and Impeachment.

Reality: Compared to the earlier Clinton travails, being behind a hundred or so delegates, the party apparatus against her candidacy, and having the whole MSM loathe her, is just so much child's play.

Reality: when one survives Roger Alies, Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich, Ken Starr, the MSM loathing, and Impeachment, and one still emerges with 70 plus percent approval ratings, really, truly, REALLY, this IS child's play.

Reality: the Clintons ARE the Democratic Party.  Anybody else who claims their mantle understands nothing of the passion for them.  Which is why she has already won blue and bell-weather America.

Reality: Hillary Rodham Clinton will become, whether as Democrat, or as Independent, the first woman President of the United States.

Because, trashing the Clintons in the Democratic Party, means that the Democratic Party is following losers like Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, Bill Bradley, and John Kerry.

And committing suicide in November.

Wherein comes the realization of the final REALITY:

The Clintons really don't need the Democratic Party.  Not any more.  The Democratic Party needs them now, if it is to survive beyond the hopelessly Wright-tained Obama come the fall.

by lambros 2008-03-16 11:43AM | 0 recs
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Reality: the Clintons ARE the Democratic Party

Holy New World Order, Batman!

Sounds like Tom Delay when he claimed that "I AM the Federal Government"?

Pretty stunning.

by defibialater 2008-03-16 11:57AM | 0 recs
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I support Hillary but Obama won Minnesota, Wisconsin, Hawaii, Washington, District of Colombia, Maryland, Vermont and Connecticut. They are all blue states. They have all voted Democrat in at least the last 4 elections.

Also does Virginia not count as a major state primary? Its a bigger state than Missouri by ECVs. Same with Georgia.

Is your post actually anti-Hillary by being so weirdly pro-Hillary?

by liberalj 2008-03-16 12:55PM | 0 recs
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Is your post actually anti-Hillary by being so weirdly pro-Hillary?

New here, eh?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-16 01:19PM | 0 recs
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Relatively yeah

by liberalj 2008-03-16 01:25PM | 0 recs
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The Clintons really don't need the Democratic Party.

You people are just amazing.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-16 01:18PM | 0 recs
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You're kidding, right?

by mikeinsf 2008-03-16 03:36PM | 0 recs
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Then why is she loosing the popular and delegate votes?

by TMP 2008-03-16 03:45PM | 0 recs
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Obama apologists may try to divert the issue by trying to play down the article, citing the source. The article is from August 2007, way before this story became widely known (as in the past few days).

It still does not change the fact that Obama LIED about him not being present during Wright's hatful sermons.

by jb0071 2008-03-16 11:44AM | 0 recs
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It still does not change the fact that Obama LIED about him not being present during Wright's hatful sermons.

You're going to need to offer some proof, there, Sparky.

(and the podcast Howard Wolfson sent to your dental fillings doesn't count. Something the rest of us who don't live in the "nervous hospital" can see).

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-16 01:20PM | 0 recs
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It's already dead. And Obama once again came out smelling like a rose with his brilliant interviews all on major networks. Now even people living in a cave know he's a devout Christian.

This diary is the very definition of delusional thinking.

by mcgish 2008-03-16 11:49AM | 0 recs
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He is a devout Christian who either does not know what his pastor preaches or is not inflenced by his pastor and spritual adviser.

by ericrsiny 2008-03-16 11:55AM | 0 recs
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He was influenced, but not in his politics. Really that is not a difficult distinction.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 01:01PM | 0 recs
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You have a wierd defintion of Christianity. This is only a tiny bit better than people thinking he's a Muslim. Being part of a radical racist church is not a positive.

by Ga6thDem 2008-03-16 12:05PM | 0 recs
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Obama is done. Post Wright, I can't see Obama as a viable general election candidate.

Face the facts: Obama toleratated racist sermons for 20 years, donated $22,000 to the cause/Church, and lied to us all by persuading us he is beyond using race as an issue.

But at the same time Obama's campaign uses race whenever it suits him -- calling Bill Clinton's SC comments racist, calling Hillary Clinton's SC comments racist, associating closely with Pastor Wright who is a documented racist against Jews, and Whites.

Obama is the reason the democratic party is divided, not Hillary.

by o2befree 2008-03-16 12:51PM | 0 recs
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What is Barack Obama afraid of?  If he cannot honor his promise and face Fox News Sunday how can we believe him when he makes a promise to deliver on universal health care and getting us out of Iraq?  Will he be able to face down the GOP and special interest groups?
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WASHINGTON - Hoping to prod Barack Obama into appearing on its show, "Fox News Sunday" launched the "Obama Watch," a weekly update on the number of days the Democratic presidential candidate has failed to appear on the program.

Host Chris Wallace said Sunday that Obama promised him in March 2006 that he would appear, but the Illinois senator has since demurred.

Since then, New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama's rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, has been a guest at least twice since then, and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the likely Republican nominee for president, has shown up at least a half dozen times.

"Many of you have sent us e-mails asking why the senator won't come on 'Fox News Sunday' and face tough questioning," Wallace said toward the end of the hourlong broadcast. "It has now been 730 days, 13 hours, 53 minutes and nine -- no, 10 seconds and counting since Obama agreed to be a guest on 'Fox News Sunday.'"

"Tune in next week for the latest," he said.

Obama's campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

by ericrsiny 2008-03-16 11:54AM | 0 recs
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NEWSMUCKS EXCLUSIVE: OBAMA THE PROMISE BREAKER - Can we possibly trust a man who breaks his promise to right wing fruitcake Chris Wallace and the Faux News network?

....Developing....

Goodness me! Hillary would never run from a Fox!

Oh wait....YES SHE CAN!

I know, I know...she was against debating on Fox before she was FOR debating on Fox. Does that make her a flip-flopper or just a run-of-the-mill turncoat?

NewsMucks - We report...you deride!

by defibialater 2008-03-16 12:10PM | 0 recs
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Obama is scared of Fox news. he will only appear on news agency's he can manipulate with his phoney holier than thou attitude and everyone against him is  a rascist. The true rascists are his spiritual leader and mentor wright and his bitch wife.  what I cannot believe is that so called intellectual whites could ever support this rascist(I guess the latte,birkenstock,prius, yuppies are just as stupid as can be.)Hopefully the Super delegates will see through this cloud of smoke by the mainstream media and agree with the MAJORITY of DEMOCRATS who voted in the Primary and not let our democratic nomination get HIJACKED BY THESE IDIOTS WHO WANT REPUBS AND INDIES VOTING IN OUR FXXXing PRIMARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by JP from HB 2008-03-16 12:35PM | 0 recs
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He was on Fox News on Friday night.  You can watch it http://youtube.com/watch?v=uT-z9q6E_3k

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 01:02PM | 0 recs
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He was on Fox News on Friday night.  You can watch it http://youtube.com/watch?v=uT-z9q6E_3k

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 01:02PM | 0 recs
The Rise and Fall of Billary Bile
The true rascists are his spiritual leader and mentor wright and his bitch wife.
What class you display. A good example for fellow Hillary supporters, to be sure. Maybe throw the "N" word in next time for a little extra "zing"? I am begining to wonder if this site has been infiltrated by right wing nut jobs - Joe Podunk from Hillary's Bathtub and "democrat voter" certainly fit the mold.
by defibialater 2008-03-16 01:06PM | 0 recs
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So because Obama has an angry preacher and didn't win  Latinos... therefor he shouldn't be presedent?
Get of Mydd you lunatic troll.
by bentheben 2008-03-16 12:37PM | 0 recs
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Hey bentheben go back to your FUCKING Kos you IDIOT OBAMA FREAK and stay off our dd site where we can critisize your Messiah(JUST GO DRINK YOUR KOOLAID)

by JP from HB 2008-03-16 12:51PM | 0 recs
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'Our DD site?'  Breathtaking arrogance.  And nice to see the level of discourse improve so dramatically here now that the refugees have arrived.  Sheesh.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-03-16 01:35PM | 0 recs
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I'm a Floridian, I have switched to Obama and will remain so as have most of my friends. Clinton is done, over, yesterdays news. I don't want more of the same.

by Yukkione 2008-03-16 01:21PM | 0 recs
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Hey.
How about you delete your "bitch" comment ,hb.
It sullies the validity of the rest of us trying to have rational discourse.
It's lame and misogynist.
Read my diaries and comments if you doubt my alignment.
by Zorkon 2008-03-16 01:26PM | 0 recs
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Hey defibilator-I have voted democrat every single election since I have been voting but if Obama wins the nomimation I will be most tempted to vote for MCCain as at least he supports America(and believe me I am a liberal democrat who HATES Republicans)
But the only thing I hate more are self rightious idiots like Obama, his wife and his preacher and people like you who support their hatred for America .
by JP from HB 2008-03-16 01:26PM | 0 recs
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or Jb from HB more accurately

by Zorkon 2008-03-16 01:27PM | 0 recs
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Hey Zorkon-who do you think you are and what are you doing changing my initials.  OBama's wife deserves to be called a Bitch as that is how she has acted this who election(spoiled rotten with her unAmerican comments)beside it is much better than you OBamites call Hillary(she has more class in her pinky finger than that OBama woman has in her whole soul and you want her for 1st lady!!!!!!!!  

by JP from HB 2008-03-16 01:32PM | 0 recs
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OBama's wife deserves to be called a Bitch as that is how she has acted this who election
I think you have a few wires loose. You might want to check for a bad solder joint or faulty capacitor.
by defibialater 2008-03-16 01:58PM | 0 recs
WTF?

Nothing more than a continuation of the last 7 years, every fact every reality is brushed aside in some illogical screed that no one, including the writer, understands. We have seen what willful ignorance of reality looks like and it makes it so easy to recognize it here.

by AHunch 2008-03-16 01:59PM | 0 recs
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No loose wires here difibulater-just telling it like it is.  She has an attitude worse than anyone I've ever seen in the political arena ever!!!She would make a terrible 1st lady( althoughI wouldn't call her a lady as that would be a real stretch)The chip on her shoulder is bigger than her homestate of ILLinois

by JP from HB 2008-03-16 02:13PM | 0 recs
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I'm a former Republican and I support Obama.
Glad to meet you all folks.
by IsaacM 2008-03-16 02:17PM | 0 recs
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The situation is a little more complicated.  Since 2004, Karl Rove and the neoconservatives have been nurturing this candidacy, and throughout the primaries have organized Republican voters to crossover and vote for Obama.  This is their principle strategy in 2008 - depriving Clinton of the nomination, since they reckoned it might be too hard to stop her in the fall.  They have not played their last trick, however. It's possible Rove may now be angling to incite a racially charged battle royale at the convention.  For an in-depth look at the strategy and and how the next several months could play out, see the article I've posted at thecityedition.com.  Here's a direct: http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Arch ive/Winter08/2008Election.html

by Factcheck2 2008-03-16 03:17PM | 0 recs
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Damn you rich!  You already have your compensation.

Damn you who are well-fed!  You will know hunger.

Damn you who laugh now!  You will weep and grieve.

Damn you when everybody speaks well of you!

A rant from a radical preacher?  Without a doubt.  Someone on the Obama campaign?  Well, Sen. Obama says so.  That's the Scholars Translation of Luke 6:24-26, and the speaker is Jesus of Nazareth.  

by IsaacM 2008-03-16 03:26PM | 0 recs
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In contextualizing Jeremiah Wright's "God damn America," it might be worth remembering another Jeremiah who expressed similar sentiments: namely, Jeremiah. As in, the prophet of the Hebrew Bible, or the "Old Testament," if you prefer.

Why does that matter? Because it reminds us that a core function of one who attempts to speak in a prophetic voice is to remind us that we are in this together and that we'll both prosper and suffer together. Many evangelical Christians speak of a "gift of discernment," not unlike the "gift of tongues." Us democratically-minded folk might do well to remember that that core concept of a democracy is that we all have some gift of discernment. So let's use ours and consider the prophetic statements on offer:

1. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson said America is damned -- cursed by God, though not permanently -- because we tolerate feminists and queer people.

2. John Hagee says America is damned -- cursed by God, though not permanently -- because we tolerate Muslims.

3. Jeremiah Wright says America is damned -- cursed by God, though not permanently, suffering from hate and division, from bitterness and envy -- because we succumb to hating one another.

For my money, my Bible, and my democracy, that last sentiment has the ring of truth, and I'm not even a religious man.

That doesn't mean it's a sentiment for a campaign trail. But it does mean that in framing this, we might want to turn our anger toward Fox and the NY Post and all those denouncing Jeremiah Wright rather than the man who says we suffer because of racism. Here is a pastor trying, perhaps not successfully, to preach accountability for hate, not for tolerance. And here is a media that is demanding that we NOT be held accountable for hate.

That is, mainstream media is telling us we must tolerate hate -- Hagee -- but not those who don't believe we should tolerate hate -- Wright.

by IsaacM 2008-03-16 03:29PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

I suspect that Wright's commentary is a hit to Obama, but not a fatal one.

McCain is far from "thoroughly vetted" himself. It'll be easy to derail the "Straight Talk Express" once we get down to business.

Above all here is that right wing pastors like John Hagee who have said things like "Hurricane Katrina is God's judgment on New Orleans for homosexual activity", and endorsed John McCain, are not getting nearly the scrutiny that Wright (and by association, Obama) is under.

I don't know if it's a good or a bad thing that the MSM doesn't even take people like Hagee seriously anymore, but I certainly think the flap over Wright's remarks is exponentially larger than it should be and Obama's responses have been more than sufficient.

by IsaacM 2008-03-16 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

The dickhead calling himself DEFIBRILATOR up there has his shitbag attached to where his crappy brain used to be...calling his Mother a "pitchfork-wielding"douchebag..Is he andropausal?the creepo smells ignorant cologne!

by Memi 2008-03-16 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

The dickhead calling himself DEFIBRILATOR up there has his shitbag attached to where his crappy brain used to be...calling his Mother a "pitchfork-wielding"douchebag..Is he andropausal?the creepo smells ignorant cologne!

by Memi 2008-03-16 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Why don't you leave misogyny to OBAMYOPIA and profanity and hatred to Jeremiah?  They're epistemologically far more 'on target' than blog amateurs!...

If Michelle and BO evidently do not possess sufficient parental discretionary JUDGMENT to keep their two young girls away from the on-the-pulpit gyrating Uncle Jeremiah [view his ABC Ross clip) how in hell does Obamyopic find His Presidential judgment?!

by Memi 2008-03-16 05:22PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

Great post!!!

by cc 2008-03-16 05:43PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

wow, his fall?

If falling is winning in every single category, including popular vote, we'll take that, thanks.

If falling means picking up another 9 pledged delegates in Iowa, and another 5 in California, bring it on!

If falling means DAILY narrowing Hillary's lead in Supers, Woo-hoooooo!!

If falling means polling better than Hillary against the Republican nominee, Great Scot!!

If falling means being transparent compared to Hillary's secretive ways, yahoo!!!!

By the way, what WERE your earmarks, Hillary?

Where ARE you tax returns?  I must assume you're not rich enough to have your own accountant who should be able to whip them up in a few hours?

Who is donating to your Hubby's library?  And are you giving any favors for them?  He said he'd release those names, but hasn't.

These are all questions that McCain won't hesitate to ask should Hillary get the nomination.  Her failure to be open and honest, and the AA community staying home on election day will be an exciting topper to a low-class campaign, huh?

by AlyoshaKaramazov 2008-03-16 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

My God - Rush Limbaugh was right. They always hated Hillary, and I thought they were being a bit silly.

They always thought Liberals were spinless morons.

Well it seems that they have a point. These Billarybots are disgusting. The Obama scandals are nothing, nothing.

Hillary endorseing McCain
Hillary Supporting the War
Hillary helping Bush on Iran
Hillary not able to organise a piss up in a brewery
Hillary not able to control her Husband

And you aging calcified uneducated white haired feministic twits want to destroy the Democratic party.

You have actually joined Rush Limbaugh
Bill has been with Rush Limbaugh
Hillary prefers Fox to MSNBC

This is like Orwell,s Animal Farm the Billarybots looked into the Window and saw they Clintons dining with Murdoch, Limbaugh, Rove and co and they laughed at their erstwwhile community of Blacks, Small staters, Educated, they laughed at those people who had not yet reached retiremnet age, those poor suckers driving their Prius's - those poor soles who had spent eight years working against Bush, working against the Lobbysists --- they laughed

Billrybots - you are utteerly pathetic - you have done nothing to remove the stain of Bush - you work to continue it

God dam the Billarybots

by dbeall 2008-03-16 08:21PM | 0 recs
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama

I love you too, Kiss, Kiss!!!

Fondly,
AnAgingCalcifiedWhiteHairedFeministicTwi t

by ladywalker68 2008-03-17 12:24AM | 0 recs
you forgot the riots

the Democratic convention, where he and his supporters could extortion votes from remaining Super Delegates by threatening not to support Hillary Clinton if nominated.

I think this should read, "by threatening to have his supporters Sharpton and Wilder riot in the streets if he didn't get what he wanted, right now, waah waah!"

by 1950democrat 2008-03-17 09:08AM | 0 recs

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