REAL Progs Stand With House Progressive Women and FIGHT!

"The Senate health care bill is not worthy of the historic vote that the House took a month ago,"

"Supporters of the weak Senate bill say "just pass it -- any bill is better than no bill. I strongly disagree," she wrote. "It's time that we draw the line on this weak bill and ask the Senate to go back to the drawing board. The American people deserve at least that." - Representative Louise Slaughter.

Now theres a woman who will not back down in a fight.  

Why is it that its always women who fight hardest for us when it comes to protecting America's families and Health Care reform?

Well, two more House leaders - who just happen to be female  - have stood up to join Congresswoman Slaughter in her fight for a better health care bill and all REAL progressive should stand up for and with them as they battle the vested interests that the White House didnt dare to.

Reps. Lynn Woolsey of the Progressive Caucus and Barbara Lee of the Congressional Black Caucus have announced their support for the House product, demanding a public option in the merged bill.

   On the eve of a historic health care vote in the Senate, liberal Democrats in the House have launched a full-throated defense of the public option -- a sign of battles to come when party leaders try to meld the two bills.


"Now that the Senate is poised to pass its version of a health care reform bill, it is time to turn to reconciling it with the House legislation," California Reps. Barbara Lee and Lynn Woolsey said in a joint statement Wednesday. "For Congress to achieve true health care reform we must have a meaningful conference process that integrates both bills into the best possible piece of legislation for the American people."

   But it's clear that they're not going to roll over, as some senators have suggested they should.

"We look forward to working with the House and Senate leadership to ensure that the final legislation provides affordable and comprehensive health care to people who need it."

Woolsey and Lee's top priorities are familiar: the public option ("If the bill requires people to buy health insurance, there must be a public option to bring down costs"), better affordability in the form of more generous subsidies, stronger insurance regulations (including repeal of the industry's anti-trust exemption), the employer mandate ("If individuals are required to buy insurance, employers should be required to provide it."), and financing through wealth taxes and not the excise tax on high-end (often Union negotiated)insurance plans.

And people, where is the outrage over the elimination of the funding mechanism that Obama talked about non stop as the way to pay for this bill?  Remember Obama said he was going to fund HCR subsidies with a special tax on the super rich?  But somehow - instead of that - we're left with a tax on Union negotiated health plans?  SAY WHAT?!  And some of you - so called "progressives" dont think this bill needs any changes?!

Ho Boy!

The sad truth is, this is a wealth care bill -- not a health care bill.

It truly amazes me that there are ANY professed "progressives" at this site who actually think that helping the House progressive caucus get the best bill possible is a bad and or dangerous thing.

These "enablers" of the recent White House sell outs to big Pharm and big Insurance tell real progressives that we must shut up and back this bill, because if we don't - we must have
"no conscience " and be willing to "let hundreds of thousands of Americans die" because we dare to stand up for those brave Members of Congress, who unlike this White House, are willing to stand up and fight the vested interests who want to kill REAL health care reform.

They pretend that if we help Louis Slaughter and other Progressive House Members fight for what is right - we will be doing some great wrong....  wha?

I am very disappointed to see that these people put their ultimate allegiance to supporting the White House over progressive ideals. During Xmas week (conveniently when few Americans were watching) - the White House sold us out on both the senate HC bill and another bill to allow drug imports that would have saved consumers $100 billion bucks. (That progressive dream they gave away in trade for a gift from the Pharm lobby of a $150 million given to fund Obama's media war chest) The paid for cynicism behind these actions is the opposite of the grass roots idealism for health care reform that the left has been fighting for - for decades.  

The pressure in the final round, just like we have seen to date will be on progressives to continue to capitulate.

Remember - to actual progressives, the biggest compromise was to give up our goal of single payer system and for this, we got nothing back for giving up and sacrificing our well loved child to these corporate Molochs.

The hand wringing enablers will do or say anything so this health care fiasco can be promoted as a "victory". They say this sell out of a Bill is a "take it or leave it" situation, an  either/or proposition.  Thats NOT how congressional bill writing works folks!

There are two separate bills heading over to the conference committe - where this fight is just starting. Some on this blog demand that we just shut up and do what the big boys want and be thankful that theyre letting us get anything at all.

Real progressives say HELL NO!

By the way, Progressives should be demanding that the conference be on CSPAN, open to view - just like Obama promised over and over again - how Health care would be negotiated and then never, ever did.

Obama on the campaign trail:

But here's the thing. We're going to do all these negotiations on C-SPAN.

The American people will be able to watch these negotiations so if they start seeing a member of Congress who is carrying the water for the drug companies instead of for their constituents.....

Open this. Transparency. You will hold me accountable, you will hold Congress accountable. That's how we'll get welfare... uh health care reform passed

Sign the petition at Yes We Still Can.  Lets help these women - fight the good fight - in the conference committee !

The petition has been signed by over 600 Obama campaign staffers, 40,000 Obama volunteers, and 60,000 Obama donors.

Let the Rahm enablers pretend that this bill is good enough. For them any victory is a big victory and thats what its REALLY about to them.

But real progressives know better, this battle isnt about "winning' - its about helping and protecting American workers and their families...

This fight aint over yet!  Not even close!!


Tags: health care reform, sellout (all tags)



I support

all initiatives to produce the best possible bill.  And I want to hear from progressives legislators in both the house and the senate how they will continue to work for further reform that it fails to achieve.  

What is not clear to me is who around here this diarist thinks does not want a public option in this bill and who opposes a repeal of the anti-trust exemption?  Is anyone suggesting that those are not important goals worth energy?  Why the need to constantly divide?  It seems to me that there was disagreement as to whether passing the senate bill represented progress.  That bill passed.  We are at the next stage now of reconciling these bills.  We all want something much closer to the House bill.  This diary calls upon us to "fight" over and over.  It also denigrates those who supported passage of the Senate bill with an eye toward further reform.  At this point, that seems utterly counter-productive.  

This diary might have presented this petition as a unifying action item to rally all of us to some actual fighting.  Why not try to get us all on board?  Do you really need to insult and denigrate and divide us at this critical juncture?  Do you think taunts are politically productive?

And you'd do better to lead with the petition as opposed to burying it under these histrionic images.

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 04:53AM | 0 recs
Re: this unstoppable freak keeps stalking me

Your perspective has been noted...and noted...and noted...

It has nothing to do with actual argument.

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 06:41AM | 0 recs

For the record, I have never said that ludwigvan's entire life is a lie.  I suggested that his unrepentant and unsubstantiated lies about my past on this site, and his constant reference to his own superior connections and experience in place of actual arguments, affect the credibility of his claims.

But now he suggests that I am emailing him comments.  I don't know who this person is or what his email address is.  I have no interest in doing so.  How many more lies will ludwigvan produce is anyone's guess at this point.  But readers who attend to what I argued in my initial comment to this diary will perceive the pattern without much difficulty.

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 06:57AM | 0 recs
stop lying

by JJE 2009-12-27 07:00AM | 0 recs
your constant lying

that's what i'm talking about.  it's not hard to understand.

by JJE 2009-12-27 03:56PM | 0 recs

you actually do read comments enough to retract your latest outrageous lie.

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 07:34AM | 0 recs
The pattern here

A constructive comment relating directly to the  the diary and not to the person of the diarist releases a stream of antagonistic bile and a dishonest ad hominem rant.

It's pretty clear.  And childish name-calling only reinforces it.

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 07:40AM | 0 recs
orthographic error

Why do you insist on typing "looser" when the term you are looking for is "loser?" "Looser" is a comparative modifier, the antonym of "tighter."  Others have noted this error but you seem committed to it.

As for the rest, I'll let my comment stand for itself.  You don't like it, have no reasoned response to it, so you insult.  OK.  Obviously I find your estimation of this comment and of me quite boring and irrelevant.  Silly, actually.

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: orthographic error

Actually, I'm an observant Jew.

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: this unstoppable freak keeps stalking me

Stummerson's comment is appropriate.  Yours is not. He has a right to comment on your diaries but you only want concurrence with your views. Anyone who disagrees with you is labelled a stalker or a bully.

You have been here less than a month and over that time you are proving yourself more of a disruption than anything else.

I'm awfully tired of this nonsense. Please conduct yourself with a manner suitable for political discourse or take your nonsense elsewhere.

by Charles Lemos 2009-12-27 10:57PM | 0 recs
Re: this hypocrite from a year ago

This diary was snark.  Pretty evident form the hyperbole.  Everyone read it as such.  It was directed at the same dishonest and histrionic tactics that are the currency of your current diaries and comments.

Regardless, you clearly lack the capability of responding to the comment I made that has to do with this diary.  Here, I suggest that we should be rallying together and pressing for the best possible outcome of this stage of the healthcare fight.  Such an effort is undermined by antagonistic name calling.

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 07:43AM | 0 recs
More lies

First off, let's dispense with this little ruse that you don't read my comments.  Evidence to the contrary all over the place in this diary.

Second, you call everyone who disagrees with your perspectives and tactics names.  It's your basic mode of interaction.  It has nothing to do with me whatsoever.

Thirdly, but hardly a tertiary point.  I am not stalking you and I am not harassing you.  I respond to diaries that you post.  I don't know where you get this idea that you have the right to monitor the traffic in your diaries on this blog.  You want that ability?  Start your own.  And my opposition to various points in your diaries and comments, particularly with regard to your tactics is not harassment.  It's my right to speak.

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: More lies

Is "Try speaking when spoken to!" part of your defense of free speech?

If someone posts a diary here, all users have rights to comment.  It's not such a difficult concept.  

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 10:03AM | 0 recs
Re: More lies

I don't follow anyone around.  lv and you post on a blog where I am trusted user and I respond.  Neither you nor ludwig have done anything nicely on this blog that I have witnessed.  All you do is call others names.  Can you list a single name I have called you?  And neither of you have a right to control participation.  That's what you call censorship.

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 10:17AM | 0 recs
Here's the thing, Caro...

If you want a "safe space" where only people you agree with are allowed to comment, you can create one for free at a number of blogging sites.  Or you can just wander over to PumaPAC, the Confluence, or Alegre's litterbox.  MyDD may be a wasteland, but it tolerates dissenting viewpoints, and the regulars consider that a feature.

by TexasDarling 2009-12-27 04:01PM | 0 recs
Re: well obviously by resonding

Are you capable of responding without name calling and personal insult?  Where do you see the same in my comments?  And I am totally confused as to your definition of harassment.  How is responding to the content of your diaries and comments harassment?  And why do you think that more repetitions of tired insults function as an effective response?  How do they enhance your credibility?

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: well obviously by resonding

Are you capable of responding without name calling and personal insult?  Where do you see the same in my comments?  And I am totally confused as to your definition of harassment.  How is responding to the content of your diaries and comments harassment?  And why do you think that more repetitions of tired insults function as an effective response?  How do they enhance your credibility?

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 10:29AM | 0 recs
Delusions of granduer

Wow.  ludwigvan is "the face, mind, and soul of this party."

If that were true, I think he'd be a bit too busy keeping REAL Hope Alive to be spending this much time on MyDD.

By the way, I see all the comments and I haven't hidden a single one.

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 10:02AM | 0 recs
I agree

Let's put "the phoney 0bot faux progressive sexists in their place!"

We gotta find them first.

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 10:14AM | 0 recs
It's losers, not "loosers." n/t

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 11:00AM | 0 recs


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