FAIL : Ironically Roland Burris Ends Obama's Health Care Scheme

After many months of Obama staffers making it very clear that they were very willing to trade away the public option in order to achieve success, it seemed earlier today that this was exactly what theyd done.

It looked like Obama had lucked out by having Joe Lieberman step up to take the both the bait and the blame for this and save having "the One" pay the price for failing to achieve real and lasting health care reform.  

Needing and wanting a Obama victory much more than they ever cared for any kind of reform, the Obama cheerleaders and fanboys - like Nate Silver - then began crying that Democrats must rally behin Obama and support this totally fake health care reform bill or we will NEVER see any attempt to do reform again...I guess the idea being that if the great Obama cant do it, no one could...

So it seemed that we were going to get what I always expected - a Obama political victory that sacrificed real reform for his greater glory...

But look what member of the ol' Obama "under the bus" brigade has been the first to stand up in the Senate and say no to this bullroar-

Roland Burris thats who!

From the NY Times"

Roland W. Burris, Democrat of Illinois, has vowed that he will not vote for a health care bill that does not include a government-run insurance plan, or public option.

And on Monday, after Democrats indicated that they were prepared to meet the demands of Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, and strip the last vestige of a public option from their bill, Mr. Burris went to the Senate floor to warn that he had not committed to vote for the legislation.

"I am committed to voting for a bill that achieves the goals of a public option: competition, cost savings and accountability," he said. "I will not be able to vote for lesser legislation that ignores those fundamentals."

"My colleagues may have forged a compromise bill that can achieve the 60 votes that will be needed for it to pass. But until this bill addresses cost, competition and accountability in a meaningful way, it will not win mine."

"As Mohandas Gandhi once famously said, `All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. Any compromise on mere fundamentals is a surrender.'"

Other liberals are also expected to resist appeasing Mr. Lieberman. But they may have little choice if Democrats hope to adopt a health care bill and avoid a failure to achieve President Obama's top domestic priority.


These days, to many Democrats - on and off the web, its Really ALL about Obama isnt it?

They're all willing to pass this sham of a bill, this give away to big pharm and big insurance and then head off to Christmas and pretend that its all n' all its been a great success for the Obama administration.  Yay team! Go Obama!


Good to see that a real man of principle did come from Chicago to serve in DC in 2001 afterall.  

How come Im not surprised that his name is not Barack Obama?

Tags: Burris, failure, obama (all tags)



Re: once again, let me be clear...

You seem significantly more excited to proclaim your vindication than to lament this bill.  This is where PUMAs fail morally.  They are more invested in self-righteousness than they are committed to progress, more interested in self-congratulation than productive criticism.  I call this moral bankruptcy.

by Strummerson 2009-12-15 11:46AM | 0 recs
Re: you oughta be more concerned about

I don't think you care about health care at all.  I think you care about a self-aggrandizing soap box, and that you are obviously a politically-autistic and morally bankrupt narcissistic PUMA.

It's impossible to engage politically when you can't turn away from your mirror for a millisecond.

by Strummerson 2009-12-15 03:09PM | 0 recs
Re: well, youre very wrong

1.  You don't know the first thing about me.

2.  If you really cared the least bit about health care or any other progressive issue, you would be trying to reach out to anyone here who might participate with you in a coalition to do something about it instead of engaging in the the ethically degraded and despicable self-celebration, alienating insults, and regurgitation of outmoded cliches as you have been doing around here for the past three days.  You don't care about anything but singing your own praises, calling others names, and throwing a tantrum.

3.  That makes you nothing more than the flipside of a tea-bagging thug.

by Strummerson 2009-12-15 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Ive read your here for a long time

Bullshit.  Produce one instance of a mean spirited attack on Clinton supporters.  I opposed the PUMA cult and continue to do so.  I have no crush object, but manufactured memories and cliches are all you seem to have to offer here.

If you are actually interested in whom I blame for this juncture in HCR, you might ask instead of simply assuming.  I blame the Obama administration for insufficient leadership.  I blame the congressional democratic caucus for their lack of vision and backbone.  I blame PUMAs for their fanatical obsessions that have consistently impeded the development of an effective left flank, which many of us who supported Obama's candidacy have been in favor of since before he was elected.  And while I doubt that Hillary would have done that much differently as President, I think things might have been better had she chosen to make this her priority as a Senator instead of the making the superior career move of accepting SoS.  If she knew what you claim you have known all along, this would have been the responsible thing to do.  Had she been more effective in the Middle East up until now, the trade-off might have been worth it.  But she hasn't.  This represents a broad failure from the top to the bottom.  Our executive and legislative leaders have bungled things, and we in the grass-roots have not mobilized an effective left flank.

But more than anyone else, I blame the Republicans and Joe Lieberman.

by Strummerson 2009-12-15 04:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Ive read your here for a long time

So, which PUMA were you before you got banned?

by TexasDarling 2009-12-15 05:16PM | 0 recs
cool story bro

by JJE 2009-12-16 04:46AM | 0 recs
Roland Burriss stepping to the plate!

Cool! And why not, he's not running for anything and doesn't need the health care corporate borg's campaign donations.

by fairleft2 2009-12-15 01:41PM | 0 recs

didn't read

by QTG 2009-12-15 01:49PM | 0 recs

I guess this has something to do with Saint Hillary Kucinich?

by TexasDarling 2009-12-15 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: huh?

Actually, the meaningful and interesting conversation happening around here is whether we'd do better to kill this bill or support it and improve it.  You're the one making it all about "him." The rest of us are more interested in evaluating this bill and framing a response.

by Strummerson 2009-12-15 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: oh yeah right, uh huh....

Ron Wyden was and Howard Dean were on Countdown this evening representing opposing positions.  Both made some salient points.  But Wyden, who understands the legislative process better than Dean, argued that there are some significant reforms here and that this bill can function as the basis for further reform, including the public option that he has consistently fought for.  Dean's point was that killing the bill does not end the process, as the crisis will continue and thus the opening for reform.  Either way, your contention that "it's done and it's a failure and now I get to taunt everyone and curse Obama" rings shallow by comparison.  As I commented above, I am not happy about this bill and there is a ton of blame to go around, including us.  But I'd rather give both Dean and Wyden a serious hearing than sputter simplistic bile that does nothing for anyone at all.

by Strummerson 2009-12-15 05:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Wyden has a VAST personal interest

I don't care about Wyden per se, but I am interested in his arguments.  And you certainly do not make the impression of someone who has a disinterested relation to anything resembling truth.  Furthermore, Dean argues that this is not necessarily the final status of HCR, but that killing it preserves more possibility than passing it.  You take the unlikely position that this bill is a done deal and represents the end of history. That's seems as credible as you seem intellectually honest.

by Strummerson 2009-12-15 05:44PM | 0 recs
Re: as if i give an f what you believe

What?  You're to precious to type "fuck?" I still challenge you to present one single comment or anything from a diary that fits the description of hero worship or fanboy.  You can't.  Just like you cannot substantiate your lie about me attacking Clinton supporters.  You just cannot think outside your cliches, which in this case are unsupportable lies.  And if you do not care what I think or believe, then in what sense are you here to debate?  If anyone who doesn't jump on the bandwagons that these diaries are trying to be is a dismissible "dittohead" and "hopemonger" and "koolade drinker" who worships "the one" with blind devotion, then who exactly are you debating?  

by Strummerson 2009-12-15 05:55PM | 0 recs
Career advice

So you type 36 words in less than 10 seconds?  if you can really do better than 180 WPM, you have a great future as a typist.

by TexasDarling 2009-12-15 06:00PM | 0 recs
My bad...

You Earth-creatures no longer use the fingers to communicate.  We welcome your skills in R'lyeh.  Ia!  Ia!  Cthulhu F'thagn!

by TexasDarling 2009-12-15 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: bth i remember your venom very well

You're a liar.  My history during the primaries is one of civility.  That may be inconvenient, I know.  The fact that you know who Strummer was does not represent evidence of a memory rooted in reality.  Continue to lie about me.

Truly contemptible.

by Strummerson 2009-12-15 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: huh?

(1) What Strummerson said.

(2) "WE TOLD YOU SO." (says you, in another comment).  Who are "we" and "you?"

by TexasDarling 2009-12-15 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: who are we?

"18 million strong," eh?  Bring it.

by TexasDarling 2009-12-15 05:33PM | 0 recs

Hillary '12!!!  With your 18 million pouts of support, Our Girl did so well last time...

by TexasDarling 2009-12-15 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: oh look

Your diaries fare significantly better here than most diaries here would fate at Alegre's and Riverdaughter's debate free zones where loyalty is and self-affirmation are placed above politics.

by Strummerson 2009-12-15 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: well, im not there am I

No.  You are the cheerleader here, reveling in the dubious glory of lost causes.

by Strummerson 2009-12-15 05:35PM | 0 recs
Re: right fanboy....


You have defeated me.  I am skewered by your substantive brilliance.

by Strummerson 2009-12-15 05:46PM | 0 recs
I hadn't checked out Alegre's Litterbox in awhile, and... wow...
How Obama Rigged the Caucuses to Win the Nomination
by: Pacific John
Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 21:29:07 PM EST

It's good to see that the time-warp is still fully operational.
by TexasDarling 2009-12-15 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: the truth

Obama was also the guy on the grassy knoll.  And I am pretty sure that he's a lizard alien in a skin suit.

by Strummerson 2009-12-15 05:48PM | 0 recs
Re: the truth
Obama was also the guy on the grassy knoll.

Of course!  That rat-bastard two-year-old came all the way from Indonesia (or Kenya or wherever Orly says) to kill the Pacifist JFK.  Truly, his evil cannot be contained.
by TexasDarling 2009-12-15 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: those like you...

This doesn't even begin to make sense.  You're not even using any segues for your cliches anymore.

by Strummerson 2009-12-15 05:56PM | 0 recs
So are you aliveandkickin or teh Engels?

by louisprandtl 2009-12-15 05:43PM | 0 recs
I used to remember one MadameB on the blogosphere.

Who is Mr B? Are you shortened version of Roger Atkinson?

by louisprandtl 2009-12-16 05:21AM | 0 recs
Figured it out

Infantile, self-righteous, and petulant [L]udwig[V]an = [L]atino[V]oter

by Strummerson 2009-12-16 06:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Figured it out

No, no, no.  Look, this guy was Seymour Glass and all those other names.  I don't know what's wrong with you people, it's a really distinctive style!

by Steve M 2009-12-16 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Figured it out

OK.  But let's start saving troll treats for the others.  This one is surely already obese.

by Strummerson 2009-12-16 07:41AM | 0 recs
Re: how racist

There was a user on this site named LatinoVoter.  Why is that racist?

by Strummerson 2009-12-16 05:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Ludwig Van?

I get it.   Ludwig Van Bach.  I know my Italian futurists and I've seen all her ballets.

by Strummerson 2009-12-16 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: to all the attacking fanboyz out there

Thanks for this.  I needed to blow off some steam at someone who actually deserves it.  Heavy day tomorrow.  I'll let someone else expose and confront your degraded shenanigans.

by Strummerson 2009-12-15 06:21PM | 0 recs

some of us aren't pathetic and actually have lives. Come back Thursday, I'm sure I can make time for you.

by ND22 2009-12-15 06:27PM | 0 recs
Oh I see

because you haven't been here in two years, I don't have a life.

I don't plan my day around writing bitter diaries about how I'm smarter than everyone...that's the textbook definition of pathetic...bucko!

by ND22 2009-12-15 06:46PM | 0 recs
cool story bro

by JJE 2009-12-16 04:39AM | 0 recs
He may OPPOSE the bill...

...but will he FILIBUSTER it?

If he votes for cloture and then votes against the bill, it's the same as rubber-stamping it.

by JDWalley 2009-12-16 05:11PM | 0 recs


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