Update: Obama's Iraq strategy is morphing into a full assault on senate republicans.

UPDATE: New youtube video I uploaded from Obama's site highlighting the 16 votes strategy that his campaign has been actively pursuing.Who will join me to help Senator Obama end the Iraq war?

Much has been made of the other contenders' Iraq plans to keep sending the same bill to George Bush over and over again. I agree that this gutsy move shows balls but not necessarily smarts. Obviously the ultimate goal is a timetable leading to withdrawal and not a total cutoff of funds. There is no way that you will get any Senator or presidential candidate on record saying that they would endorse a total cutoff of funds and that includes John Edwards.

What is most puzzling to me is that the burden of change seems to be put squarely on the shoulders of a president who has nothing to lose instead of a resistant republican congress who does. Obama's strategy of late has been a smart and sharp 180 degree course turn from what other presidential contenders have been proposing.

Obama smartly knows that the ultimate bargaining chip is votes. Those who stand to lose the most by continual support of this war are the republicans in the senate and not the lame duck president that Biden and Edwards is focusing on. Obama is now implementing the "16 votes" phase of his Iraq plan. He is now calling out republican senators in congress who, up to this point, have not budged on their war positions of the president's failed strategy.

Senator Obama now has up his offical "16 votes" web page which shows a US map highlighting all the states that need to pressure their congressmen. This is absolutely the best strategy to date and shuts down some of the criticisms of Obama that suggested he never takes an adversarial position. Just recently Obama called out senator Grassley of Iowa to stop his support of this failed war. Even after Senator Grassley protested Obama's move, Obama renewed this political pressure by saying he is not overstepping his grounds. He says the issue isn't about Washington etiquette -- it's about bringing the troops home.

Lets bring our troops home folks. Lets support Obama's effort by going to the 16 votes website and signing the petition to pressure these dumb fucking republicans.

We cannot allow our soldier's lives to be taken for granted and those Republican congressmen cannot afford to take their constituency's vote for granted either.

Obama '08.

P.S.

For those who want to learn more about Obama and what distinguishes him from the rest of the pack, please visit my youtube site here.

Tags: Barack Obama, ending the war, Iraq War, Republicans (all tags)

Comments

69 Comments

Re: Obama's Iraq strategy

I wish all the candidates would unite behind this effort.  Especially after not just voting for the War but co-sponsoring it, Edwards should use all his efforts to incite his supporters to action, not simply anger.

by dougdilg 2007-05-11 03:44PM | 0 recs
Umm, he is

"Congress is considering abandoning it's plan to end the war in favor of yet another "extension" for President Bush that doesn't bring a single soldier home. We have to turn up the heat--and we have to move fast.

As of this morning, 101,180 Americans have joined our call for Congress to stand up to Bush and end the war. We have a plan to get these names onto every desk and doorstep in Washington D.C., but we need your help."

Feel free to help out:

by okamichan13 2007-05-11 04:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Umm, he is

Bush does not care.  Tell me what he has to lose?

Lets stand up to the republicans, fuck Bush.

by lovingj 2007-05-11 04:49PM | 0 recs
Lets stand up to both of them

neither of them care enough

by okamichan13 2007-05-11 05:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Lets stand up to both of them

But one of the has something to lose whether they care or not.  I guarantee they care about votes.

by lovingj 2007-05-11 05:46PM | 0 recs
Expecting enough for a veto override

in the house and the senate for a real bill that ends the war is expecting quite a bit.

Put pressure on them both. Pressure on Bush gets us votes in 2008 as well.

by okamichan13 2007-05-11 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Lets stand up to both of them

That's one of the smartest statements I have read today!

by yitbos96bb 2007-05-12 06:30PM | 0 recs
perhaps I'm wrong, and your diary is great, but

when I read the title, I thought I was going to hear how Barack's strategy was causing a Republican assault against him. does the title need a tweak? i'm not sure.

and to get to the point, I concur heartily.

by the green and bold 2007-05-12 01:45PM | 0 recs
You are right

You are right.  I changed it to:

Obama's Iraq strategy is morphing into a full assault on Republican opposition.

by lovingj 2007-05-12 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: You are right

lol now it sounds like he's anti Republican opposition, to the war.

by fisheye 2007-05-13 07:21PM | 0 recs
Re: You are right

Obama's Iraq strategy is morphing into a full assault on senate republicans

Boy you guys are working me.  I'm sure you understood my point but I will change it again for clarity.

by lovingj 2007-05-13 08:08PM | 0 recs
Re: You are right

just giving you a hard time

I got it

by fisheye 2007-05-14 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Iraq strategy

I see Edwards "keep sending it back until the veto passes" strategy and Obama's "keep pounding on the Republicans until there's a veto override" strategies as more complimentary than anything. In a lot of ways they're two sides of the same coin. Both serve to keep up the pressure on the Republican establishment, it's just that the pressure is applied in different places.

I do think Obama's strategy is a lot more likely to actually work, since Bush has no reason to eventually give but the Senators do. However Obama's strategy is massively helped by the existence of Edwards' strategy, since Edwards is greasing the Senatorial wheels by potentially making it even more uncomfortable for Republicans to be close to the president, and because Edwards' tack makes Obama's seem more moderate and possible by comparison (there's this whole "Overton Window" thing)...

by mcc 2007-05-11 08:07PM | 0 recs
Agreed

it doesn't need to be either/or. And Edwards pressure is on all of Congress as well as Bush.

They are complimentary efforts towards the same goal.

by okamichan13 2007-05-12 12:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Iraq strategy is morphing into a full

Just look at the re-vote effort and understand the political implications of a marginalized presidency and you'll know Obama isn't the only one who has a 'plan'.

To pressure Republicans you discredit their President. Trying to pressure them indivually won't work nearly as well as a marginalized President.

This is happening naturally already but an effort to accelerate the process could be very effective. All parties on our side are headed to the same goal. It's a question of tactics.

Remember...Nixon didn't leave until his own party told him to get out before he destroyed them all.

The first meeting of this sort happened this week at the WH with REPUBLICANS telling their President that they couldn't keep up the support if he didn't budge. (Which he won't in any significant way.)

He is daily becoming more marginalized from his own party. That's how you get the votes in the House and Senate on a veto-proof resolution.

by BigDog 2007-05-11 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Iraq strategy is morphing into a full
But this is not sending the same bill again without a veto proof vote. I think you make a good case, however, that veto proof vote is the ultimate indicator of success. This must come first, not another useless bill that will get vetoed anyway. I am by no means an advocate of just sending a clean bill, however, I also do not believe a continual exercise in futility is smart either.
by lovingj 2007-05-11 04:14PM | 0 recs
Will Obama vote differently than Biden?

by dpANDREWS 2007-05-11 04:33PM | 0 recs
lovingj

i have to say that your passion is contagious. please keep it up!
by pmb 2007-05-11 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: lovingj
Thanks.
by lovingj 2007-05-11 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Iraq strategy is morphing into a full
I agree totally.  Bush wants to stay in iraq and pass it off to the next president.  Since he is in full lame  duck he doesn't have to do anything.  And on Political Wire I read a Cheney quote that said they did not get elected to care about the republican party.  That is where they stand.  They will let the republicans sink on their own.  They feel they owe no one.
You have to put the pressure on getting the votes needed and the one signature thing became Obama's rally cry.
by vwcat 2007-05-11 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Iraq strategy is morphing into a full

that was fun.  I wrote a note to my 2 senators to tell them to back the pressure on the republicans.  Only problem is that my senators are Dick Durbin and Barack Obama.  But, I could not resist doing the message thing and said I back the pressure on the republicans - then added a lol.  I also said That the people of Illinois are proud of both him and Durbin.

by vwcat 2007-05-11 05:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Iraq strategy is morphing into a full

I am from Michigan but I am super proud of your two Senators.  Durbin and Obama make a great team.

by lovingj 2007-05-11 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Iraq strategy is morphing into a full

thank you.  We kinda like the two of them.

by vwcat 2007-05-11 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Iraq strategy is morphing into a full

best tandem goin'!

by serge in dc 2007-05-11 07:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Iraq strategy is morphing into a full

Michigan will go Obama in the primary huh?

by fisheye 2007-05-13 07:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Great Post!

Thanks for posting this. I love it.

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-05-11 06:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Iraq strategy is morphing into a full

I like this plan a lot, it's similar to John Kerry's "Roadblock Republicans" plan, good move. If Obama would ask his fan base to making some real noise by encouraging them to give to ActBlue general fund pages against those 16 Senators, then I'd be impressed.

by Jerome Armstrong 2007-05-11 06:01PM | 0 recs
Re: ( Sniff Sniff )

What's that? I'm sorry, what?

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-05-11 06:16PM | 0 recs
That is a good idea,

but don't hold your breath.  They charge $50 a head just to hear him speak.  All funds go to Obama for Pres.

by littafi 2007-05-11 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: That is a good idea,

(ahem)

It's actually a "suggested donation" of $ 25.00 a ticket thank you very much.  

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-05-12 02:19AM | 0 recs
Re: That is a good idea,

Here in St. Louis it's $50.

by clarkent 2007-05-12 03:43AM | 0 recs
Re: That is a good idea,

That's called a fundraiser. It's not just designed to hear him speak. It's to raise money for the campaign. It appeared several hundred actually didn't have a problem with it either.

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-05-13 03:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Iraq strategy is morphing into a full

Gee Jerome, why don't you go and blog or write to the campaign.  Go on the site and make the suggestion.  Maybe they are not aware of it or did not think about it.  Lots going on these days for them.

by vwcat 2007-05-11 06:13PM | 0 recs
"Sniff, sniff" is what I heard

When I received my first and only call asking to contribute directly to the Obama campaign during the rush to meet the end of first quarter donations, I told the caller that I'd made contributions through ActBlue. I have my own page for Obama in fact, and had made one other contribution in cash on his announcement day, Feb. 10. The caller wasn't at all congratulatory for my efforts, rather, he made clear they liked to keep the donations "in house."

BTW, being out of the loop this way, a Thank You postcard arrived this week! Took them a long time to integrate an oulier donor like myself.

by Books Alive 2007-05-12 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: "Sniff, sniff" is what I heard

Good for you.

by Jerome Armstrong 2007-05-13 07:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Iraq
It's potentially a good strategy to get some removed from office in 2008, but I doubt any of them (aside from perhaps Coleman, Collins, and Sununu) could be persuaded to change their minds, so I doubt it's a real strategy to end the war before then.  Like Jerome said, this is as much about taking on the Republicans in elections as getting them to vote with us.
If Obama's "bipartisanship" means asking them to stand with us where we have big public support, like on this issue, or have to face our wrath at the ballot box, I'm all for it.
by jallen 2007-05-11 06:46PM | 0 recs
Going after Bush is Better

Going after president bush is better.

1.  It reinforces the frame that the change we need is in the whitehouse.   Obama's effort may help pick up extra seats in the Senate.

  1.  The President is weak right now and the weaker he gets, the harder it is for Republican members in congress to stick with him.  i.e., this is an effective way of dividing the opposition so that we can split and pick up votes.  
  2.  Keeping the heat on Bush allows adds pressure on the Democrats to stay strong, united and oppose the president.   Our biggest risk is now is dems being split and peeling off to cut some deal - led by the leadership.

by Orlando 2007-05-11 07:06PM | 0 recs
as barack says


"it's a both/and proposition, not and either/or propostion"

let's go for both.

by pmb 2007-05-11 07:16PM | 0 recs
Agreed

there doesnt have to be conflict here, the strategies are complimentary

by okamichan13 2007-05-11 09:27PM | 0 recs
Barry Obama is so yesterday

When people wanted substance from him he offered talking points.  

by dpANDREWS 2007-05-11 07:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Barry Obama is so yesterday

huh???

by serge in dc 2007-05-11 07:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Barry Obama is so yesterday
Obviously you need someone to explain to you word for word what Obama has accomplished in the way of substance. But first announce who you support in the primaries and then tell me where you think Obama lacks substance.
by lovingj 2007-05-12 03:24AM | 0 recs
Pathetic

You're such a troll.

by Korha 2007-05-12 08:49AM | 0 recs
Barry Obama is so Non-Understood

Well, would someone tell me where all the 'substance' from Obama is??? Not just another comment, I'm really in dire need of a thread about where Obama has really drawn his lines. I still do not have any idea of what this candidate actually STANDS FOR. I need much more info.

by blues 2007-05-12 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Barry Obama is so Non-Understood

For one he's not much for drawing lines between people in general. We've had enough lines drawn in the sand don't ya think?

by fisheye 2007-05-13 07:30PM | 0 recs
The strategy of sending the same bill back ...

... is aimed squarely at recalcitrant Congressmen and Senators ... instead of giving them the high ground in behind the scenes negotiation, put them on the record as voting against the withdrawal timetable when it comes up for the vote, and when it comes up for the veto override ... then put them on the record again in another two weeks, and again, and again, and again.

They will start to crack.

by BruceMcF 2007-05-12 04:37AM | 0 recs
Re: The strategy of sending the same bill back ...

Exactly. Somehow there's this idea that Edwards' call to send the bill back again and again is aimed at Democrats. It's aimed at Bush and Republicans in general. The more they vote against it, the more they vote against funding for the troops and for a never-ending US presence in Iraq.

by clarkent 2007-05-12 06:13AM | 0 recs
Re: The strategy of sending the same bill back ...

Why would they start to crack?  If you send the same bill again and again then you make yourself appear to be as stubborn as the President and provide the ground for Republicans to stay firm.  It sidetracks the issue from bringing the troops home to politics as usual in Washington where nothing gets done and slowly public support would start to congeal around Party lines.

Instead we need to isolate the President from his Party.  We cannot make this a battle between Parties.  The country is not split down Party lines on this issue.  We need to make it more and more difficult for Republican Senators to stay firm by staying focused on saving lives, not being tough for tough sake.  

by dougdilg 2007-05-12 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: The strategy of sending the same bill back ...
Great point and I agree. The best way to win this battle is to get more public pressure on the republicans to concede and part with this president's failed strategy.
by lovingj 2007-05-12 08:40AM | 0 recs
Re: The strategy of sending the same bill back ...

OK, but where's the pressure? You really think that what's his name from Idaho or Wyoming are going to feel pressure to vote for timetables from their constituents in Idaho and WY? Even if they're the last two holdouts, don't you think they'd be more concerned with crazy primary opponent going after them for voting with the Dems than a Dem in the general election?

by adamterando 2007-05-12 06:37PM | 0 recs
Re: The strategy of sending the same bill back ...

Well put.

Instead we need to isolate the President from his Party.  We cannot make this a battle between Parties.  The country is not split down Party lines on this issue.  We need to make it more and more difficult for Republican Senators to stay firm by staying focused on saving lives, not being tough for tough sake.

I think this is the only realistic way to put pressure on the President. Sending the Bill back and having it vetoed over and over again isn't going to put any pressure on him. He will love that sort of battle.  

by Mystylplx 2007-05-12 09:22AM | 0 recs
They do not want to vote on this again, ...

... because for a large number of them, a large majority of their constituents disagree with that vote. And the more times they vote to support the President's failed policy, the juicier the attack ad becomes in the fall of '08.

Most Americans want their elected officials to be a bit stubborn in doing what they want done ... its when politicians get stubborn on what appears to be their own agenda that they don't like it.

And the Democratic bill that Bush vetoed was, on balance, what people want done.

by BruceMcF 2007-05-12 09:35AM | 0 recs
Re: They do not want to vote on this again, ...

The problem is that going about it in that way sets it up as a partisan battle between Democrats and Republicans instead of a non-partisan battle between Americans and the Bush administration.

Huge difference.

by Mystylplx 2007-05-12 10:03AM | 0 recs
Re: They do not want to vote on this again, ...

Actually, that's a good thing. Americans agree with the Democrats on this.

by clarkent 2007-05-12 11:11AM | 0 recs
Re: They do not want to vote on this again, ...

A good thing in what way? A good way to score political points? Or a good way to get this mess cleaned up?

It seems to me the odds of pressuring the administration into doing anything different are alot greater if we can get at least some greater portion of his own party to turn on him, and accomplishing that is less likely if we frame it as a partisan battle.

by Mystylplx 2007-05-12 11:20AM | 0 recs
Re: They do not want to vote on this again, ...

Getting out Iraq is good policy and good politics.

by clarkent 2007-05-12 12:52PM | 0 recs
How does setting it up as non-partisan ...

... put any pressure on the Republicans. Insisting that it be "non-partisan" give Republicans a lot more bargaining power than saying, "we are going to do what we were elected to do, and you can either join or stand in the way".

by BruceMcF 2007-05-12 11:55AM | 0 recs
Re: How does setting it up as non-partisan ...

Non-partisan doesn't necessarily mean bi-partisan.

As you pointed out above, there are lots of good reasons for Republicans to support, at the very least, a change of course. If they break ranks and start opposing the Bush strategy then many of them will be rewarded by their constituencies down the line. And I suspect there are lots of Republicans teetering on the brink of doing exactly that.

But if this gets framed as a partisan battle between Democrats and Republicans that makes it harder for them to break ranks in that way.

we are going to do what we were elected to do, and you can either join or stand in the way

How about this instead--

we are going to do what we were elected to do, and we invite you to join in a non-partison way...

by Mystylplx 2007-05-12 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: The strategy of sending the same bill back ...

Right, that approach is simply antagonistic. Pushing instead of pulling the string.

by fisheye 2007-05-13 07:32PM | 0 recs
Veto Math?

Isn't it fundamentally incorrect to say that you need to find just 16 votes?  You need both the Senate and the House at 2/3rds to override a veto.  Why doesn't Obama mention the 72 extra votes in the House that are needed? There needs to be an 88 votes website.  

Of course "We're just 88 votes away from ending the war" doesn't have a very nice ring to it.

by cesar 2007-05-12 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Veto Math?
Lets face it, this is a much smaller issue in the house. The senate has been the hardest body to crack to date. If we crack the senate then its end game.
by lovingj 2007-05-12 09:30AM | 0 recs
If they get over the almost impossible 16 ...

... vote margin in the Senate, getting the votes to override in the House will be child's play in comparison.

by BruceMcF 2007-05-12 09:36AM | 0 recs
Not so sure about that

a lot of the House Repuglicans are much "redder" than many of their Senators. They are more ideological and their districts are smaller and more ideological. With around 30% of Americans supporting Bush basically no matter what he does and House Republicans representing a lot of areas where those people are either a majority or a large %, I don't think its that easy at all.

by okamichan13 2007-05-12 12:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Not so sure about that

agreed - a lot of these pols are in safe districts with hardcore red supporters - Getting a 16 vote swing is reaching beyond the stars and not realistic. It can also look bad on dems in general because people are sick with "congress not doing anything" and while liberals think sending it back over and over is doing something, conservatives see it as doing nothing. In the end it goes back to the middle ground, and i think the middle will get fed up quite quickly since nationally congress does only slightly better than bush in the polls

by sepulvedaj3 2007-05-12 06:05PM | 0 recs
To be honest

I really really doubt we are going to make real progress on ending this war before we chose our next president unless the Iraqi government themselves decide to kick us out.

There is a strong Iraqi movement now within the government to pass a timetable to remove US troops and in the end that might be the most effective.

Doesnt mean of course we cant keep trying by pressuring Bush and Republicans. And we should. But realisticly expecting Bush to sign anything that severely limits the war or expecting either or both houses of Congress to override him is at this point extremely unlikely.

by okamichan13 2007-05-12 10:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Iraq strategy is morphing into a full

This seems like a smart move, although if Edwards or Obama could bring themselves to endorse the plan of the other as a complimentary addition to their own, it'd be be a great way of establishing themselves as movement candidates rather than just personality candidates.

It's also notable that Iowa, NH and SC are amongst the 20 states he's targetting with this. One wonders if this will dovetail into attempting to gain votes there.

by Englishlefty 2007-05-12 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Iraq strategy is morphing into a full

Which Edwards plan? The one where we immediately cut the funding? Or the one where we get into a big partisan game of chicken with Republicans?

It seems to me this is either Edwards 'Democrats vs. Republicans' or Obama's 'Americans vs. the Bush administration.'

I don't see how it could be both.

And Obama is already well established as a movement candidate. I also wouldn't describe Edwards as a 'personality candidate.'

by Mystylplx 2007-05-12 11:24AM | 0 recs
you know that 360 degrees is a full circle

I think we need

  • pressure on the White House,
  • pressure on Democratic congresscritters to stand up against Bushco, and
  • focus on republicans to either own this travesty and all the problems that go with it or stand with the American public.

It's going to take all three to change the course of this military action plus getting the American people to be public and vocal in their opposition.

by edgery 2007-05-12 05:40PM | 0 recs
excellent post, lovingj

interesting approach by Obama on this. THe key phrase from the site page is this: "to carry out the will of the American people... to end the war". Dems need to get on TV and repeat this ad infinitum.

by NuevoLiberal 2007-05-13 05:42AM | 0 recs

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