Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth initiative with Video



It looks as if the winds between Obama and Gore are lining up.  Obama is now promoting Gore's Live Earth initiative on his front page and he is the only candidate to do so.  During the course of his campaign, he has openly said he held former Vice President Gore in high regard (i.e. Obama discussing Gore on the Today Show back in March).

Now he is using his campaign to help Al Gore promote awareness of the global warming crisis through Obama's Live Earth page.

The organizers of Live Earth should be proud of their achievement. 7.7.07 is likely to be one of the most significant days of action in the campaign against global climate change. It could not come at a more important time.

Our dependence on fuels such as oil and coal is jeopardizing our planet, setting off a chain of dangerous weather patterns that could condemn future generations to global catastrophe. We see the effects of global climate change in our communities and around the world in record drought, famine, and forest fires. Hurricanes and typhoons are growing in intensity, and rapidly melting ice sheets in Antarctica and Greenland could raise global sea levels high enough to swallow up large portions of every coastal city and town.

Despite the urgency, there are those who believe America cannot come together to find a solution. Politicians are afraid to ask the oil, auto, and electricity industries to do their part, and those industries hire armies of lobbyists to make sure it stays that way.

We can do better. As President, I will move to limit the causes of global warming by requiring that all transportation fuels sold in the U.S. contain 10 percent less carbon by 2020. We can decrease oil consumption by increasing fuel economy standards to save half a trillion gallons of gasoline by 2028. These are the types of changes that we'll have to make if we're serious about limiting the effects of global warming.

- Barack Obama

I am happy to see Obama promoting the great work our former Vice President is doing whether Gore gets in the race or not.  These two men have been phenomenal in reigniting energy and pride back towards the democratic party.

For those who want to learn more about Obama's energy and environmental policy, please visit here.

Video of Obama promoting Live Earth

Tags: Barack Obama Al Gore (all tags)

Comments

107 Comments

Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's

This is nice gesture for Obama to ptomote Gore concert like that.

Gore knows that Obama has a strong fanbase, and this is great promotion for the concert.

I was thinking that maybe obama could go overseas and do some Earth stuff to get some global warming cred...Go to brazil or something..You know.

by JaeHood 2007-07-05 04:48PM | 0 recs
Yeah that might

be a good idea.

by lovingj 2007-07-05 04:50PM | 0 recs
You may want to edit your diary

On Edwards Campaign website he's got the same thing on his homepage that Obama does, so Obama's not the only one. Edwards is also sending out the pledge to his supporters asking them to add their voices to the movement. Both Obama and Edwards should be praised for working with the SOS folks.

by Sarah Lane 2007-07-07 04:28PM | 0 recs
Yeah he does now.

At the time I wrote it, Obama was the only one.

Its about to fall off the rec list soon but if its still on there tomorrow, I will provide an update.

by lovingj 2007-07-07 04:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah he does now.

Hmmm, it was up there on his homepage yesterday. The problem is if you're not paying attention when you open his homepage, the front page eventually shows another pic and then goes back to the Live Earth. There is also another pic and link to Live Earth on his homepage just below the big one.

by Sarah Lane 2007-07-07 04:57PM | 0 recs
I've seen the link that he put up.

It was not there.  I checked all of them at the time I wrote it.  I should have taken a screenshot.

by lovingj 2007-07-07 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's

Wouldn't his time be better spend campaigning or doing Earth stuff in the US, rather than another country?  Makes more sense to plant trees in NH, IOWA, NEVADA, OREGON, etc than go to Brazil.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-05 05:14PM | 0 recs
Yeah I guess

focusing domestically would not be bad, however, I think global warming is an issue that affects more than just our country.

I just do not see him giving up that kind of time when he has a lot of work to do in the primaries.

I see you picked early states as examples.  Good point.

by lovingj 2007-07-05 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah I guess

Agreed its a global issue.  But 1) as Al says, Think Global Act Local and 2) Plenty of time for Brazil AFTER the elections!  Its all strategery though... simple strategery.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-05 05:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah I guess

And yes that spelling was intentional.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-05 05:31PM | 0 recs
Actually Disagree

The deforestation of the Amazon is happening on such a scale and rate that it is contributing massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere.  Deforestation is 25% of all of CO2 emissions.

Actually, one of the highest impact ways to fight global warming is to slow deforestation in Brazil.  

by dansac 2007-07-06 08:15AM | 0 recs
Glad to hear someone say this...

We always seem to focus entirely on carbon emissions. But deforestation is, I think, more than 25% of the problem. That 25% only counts actual massive deforestation. But every time we cut down a tree or kill a plant we are contributing to global warming by taking away another life form that normally would be taking carbon from the air.

It's not just all about cleaner fuels... we still need more green.

by Mystylplx 2007-07-06 09:01AM | 0 recs
What about Obama's

CTL bill?  Gore did not like that.  

by littafi 2007-07-05 05:52PM | 0 recs
Re: What about Obama's

Its a bill that helps Obama's home state... he may not like it, but as a former Senator, I am sure he can understand Obama's support of it.  I didn't like Tipper and Al's little foray into Music censorship, but I still like Gore.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-05 06:22PM | 0 recs
Music labels like movie ratings

and the whole thing was blown way out of proporation.

little foray into Music censorship

That's vast overstatement. Even the Zappas disagreed with you:


The American Prospect

Volume 11, Issue 21.   September 24 - October 2 2000
Mothers of Invention

Today, Gail Zappa is a fervent Gore supporter and a top Democratic Party donor; she was a California delegate to the Democratic national convention in August. And she says she's tired of media misrepresentation. "I don't believe for an instant, nor did Frank believe for an instant, that Tipper Gore was actually for censorship," she says. "Now that he's dead, it's really disgusting to me that the media still uses Frank Zappa against Tipper Gore."
H/T JHen

Long story short, Gore is not likely to sweep aside what he called a "horrible mistake" on something long term related to CTL which would produce at least 4% more CO2 and at worst 130% more CO2, and treat is as if that bill doesn't exist. Your attemped argument wouldn't help convince him to do so either.

Obama will have to change his position adequately on this front before he can expect Gore's endorsement, in my opinion.

by NuevoLiberal 2007-07-05 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Music labels like movie ratings

I remember the Zappa interviews from the actual time... Gail basically rewrote history here.  I've heard him on replays of Howard Sterns old stuff go after her and others on the that council numerous times.  Gail said it during the election... Frank can't speak for himself... So given the time and the heresy, we really don't know WHAT Frank would have said.  Now you find me some interviews from frank in the Mid 80's and then we'll talk.  Based on the stuff I read at the time and the Stern interviews I heard

And there are other artists besides Frank Zappa who were against this at time.

So No, I'm actually very right on this.  Tipper was one of the PUBLIC faces on this.  As were some others including young Al.  I think the who thing is a travesty just as I think Hillary and others foray into video game censorship is a travesty... but ultimately just because I dis like that one action doesn't mean I hate or dislike the man.  As politicians you support or do things for different reasons.  A look at Gores Legislative record will most likely show him supporting many bills that helped his home state... its what senators do.

And I know you are a lot smarter than this so I'm not going to completely bite your head off, but Obama supports the newer cleaner CTL technology not the older technology.  The numbers are not as bad as the high range of what you are listing.  His support is and has been of CTL if it can be done with minimal increase in levels.  

And I wasn't trying to convince Al Gore... Its not my job... neither is it yours.  You have no idea what would convince Gore of anything, despite this fantasy relationship you seem to think you share with him and this fictitious understanding of him you seem to think you have of him.  You aren't one of his closest advisors nor his family.

I like you and have stuck up for you a lot on here.  I like Gore and nothing negative was said about him, yet you respond with an extremely attacking and rude post.   You post is getting me more and more pissed as I go along so I'm going to stop now before I really lose my temper.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-05 10:01PM | 0 recs
I'll take Gail Zappa's words about Frank Zappa's

potentially changed views over yours regarding this "censorship" crap.

Heck, I know that music labels are not that different from movie ratings, and the damn world is goind round and round with movie ratings without a bunch of Naderists whining and pissing their pants off (and wingnuts exploiting that to screw Gore).

~~~~~~~~

And I know you are a lot smarter than this so I'm not going to completely bite your head off, but Obama supports the newer cleaner CTL technology not the older technology.  The numbers are not as bad as the high range of what you are listing.  His support is and has been of CTL if it can be done with minimal increase in levels.

I have seen Obama's statement that he would support CTL only if it is guaranteed to generate 20% less CO2 over its life cycle. That's a good step in the rigth direction.

However, I have not seen how it translates into reality for the following reasons:
1. the state of the art seems to be that the best you can do is still 4% above fossil fuels (and 119% being the worst), and that too so far only in lab settings (wvablue's diary leads to this from links):

2. Obama is apparently still a co-sponsor of S.154


S.154

Title: A bill to promote coal-to-liquid fuel activities.
Sponsor: Sen Bunning, Jim [KY] (introduced 1/4/2007)      Cosponsors (12)
Related Bills: S.155
Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources. COSPONSORS(12), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]:     (Sort: by date)

     Sen Bond, Christopher S. [MO] - 1/4/2007
      Sen Byrd, Robert C. [WV] - 5/2/2007
      Sen Craig, Larry E. [ID] - 1/4/2007
      Sen Dorgan, Byron L. [ND] - 1/11/2007
      Sen Enzi, Michael B. [WY] - 1/4/2007
      Sen Landrieu, Mary L. [LA] - 1/4/2007
      Sen Lugar, Richard G. [IN] - 1/4/2007
      Sen Martinez, Mel [FL] - 1/4/2007
      Sen Murkowski, Lisa [AK] - 1/4/2007
      Sen Obama, Barack [IL] - 1/4/2007
      Sen Pryor, Mark L. [AR] - 1/4/2007
      Sen Thomas, Craig [WY] - 1/4/2007


and I don't see that the bill has been amended. So, in reality, Obama is still the co-sponsor of the same bill that Gore called a "Horrible Mistake" (video).

I could be missing something, but I don't see where. Is Obama planning to offer an amendment or a rewrite of the bill? Would he withdraw his co-sponsorship if that doesn't come to pass? You see, I have not seen answers to these questions about S. 154.

I admit that I have not searched for the answers, and so if they are there somewhere, I would be pleased to read up. Show me where.

You have no idea what would convince Gore of anything

Gore himself said what he expects (see below).

despite this fantasy relationship you seem to think you share with him

That's fucking brazenly arrogant statement, asshole.

I am a supporter of Gore not unlike you support Obama of whoever you want to.

and this fictitious understanding of him you seem to think you have of him.

Dude, I don't try to read into Gore's political philosophy any more or less than any person supporting any other politician. In fact, I may at times interpolate and interpret something when there is no direct statement from Al Gore on something, but quote him directly if there is.

You aren't one of his closest advisors nor his family.

That is true, but I don't try to pretend to be one. In this case, Gore has said it himself: Gore wants to see Global warming as the #1 issue come election time 500 days from now. If he doesn't run by himself, he probably wants the person he may endorse to also adopt most or all of his prescriptions for dealing with global warming (see, here, I am interpreting, because I have not seen him say something specifically on this. But this is a common sense interpretation).

I like you

I also liked you for quite sometime now. But, not on this post.

and have stuck up for you a lot on here.

Out here, I don't ask people to stick up for me. I want them to stick up for honest and truthful political dialogue and debate.

Talking about "sticking up", I stuck up for Obama on countless occassions when I found him to be getting unfairly smeared or mischaracterized, often times alone. I am proud of that because even in that case, I was only exercising my real goal for being on these blogs: honest and truthful political dialogue and debate.

I like Gore and nothing negative was said about him, yet you respond with an extremely attacking and rude post.

What the hell was attacking in that dude? It's all factual, except for my opinion about what I think that Gore will factor in. Even that I stated in non-assertive phrasing ("not likely", "in my opinion" etc).

Your response on the other hand is over-sensitive, brazen, rude, and outrageous.

You post is getting me more and more pissed as I go along so I'm going to stop now before I really lose my temper.

Go sleep it off.

by NuevoLiberal 2007-07-05 11:07PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll take Gail Zappa's words about Frank Zappa
This bill was already voted down, with Obama voting against it after not being able to pass his amendment.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2007/06/23/AR2007062301424_ pf.html
by psericks 2007-07-06 01:19AM | 0 recs
I am trying to track things down

on what happened recently, as I didn't follow the developments or the discussion.

There were two amendments to Rahall's CLEAN Energy Act of 2007, HR 6:

  • Bunning's amendment ("provide standards for clean coal-derived fuels")
  • Tester's amendment ("To establish a program to provide loans for projects to produce syngas from coal and other feedstocks while simultaneously reducing greenhouse gas emissions and reliance of the United States on petroleum and natural gas.")

Apparently, the Wapo article is talking about these amendments. Obama voted for Tester's amendment, but voted against Bunning's.

What I am trying to find out is if Bunning's amendment to HR 6 is the (essentially) the same as Bunning's resolution S 154.

If they are the same, meaning that Obama no longer support S. 154, would we be seeing him withdraw his co-sponsoship of this bill? (as would be natural).

Also, is there a bill version of Tester's amendment?

I'll look some of this up shortly, but if anyone knows some details on this, I'd appreciate hearing from them. Thanks.

by NuevoLiberal 2007-07-06 06:41AM | 0 recs
dude,

see my comment below as well: Recommended.

by NuevoLiberal 2007-07-05 11:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Music labels like movie ratings

Upon reflection, I should not have called you an "asshole", eventhough your comment was irritating for the reasons that:

  1. you came down on me for the same thing that you did: expressing an opinion on what Al Gore may or may not care for when it comes to an endorsement
  2. injected a meme which is a gross exaggeration of what Tipped did re. music labels (which was what that prompted by response).

I also should not have insulted Nader voters at large (some yes, those that perpetrated myths and memes just like the ones about Tipper. but, I did not make that distinction clear in my angry post above).

My views about Obama are as I stated in this subthread and in the one downthread: I like him, and he is my #2 choice after Al Gore (and if Gore runs, a Gore/Obama ticket would be my strong preference). But, the CTL legislation issue is as in the discussion above (I have not had the time to check if Bunning's rejected amendment is the same as his resolution as per the discussion above).

But, clearly, Obama has moved very much in a positive direction regarding CTL, and he should be applauded for it.

I apologize for the angry portions of my comment above and for ruffling feathers, as that may likely have.

by NuevoLiberal 2007-07-06 02:30PM | 0 recs
I could not get in this spat.

You and I have been working together a long time and I know you are a Gore supporter.  I think you were irked by the pre-emptive attack on Gore as was yitsbo by the following response on Obama.

Whatever, whatever.  I like both of them.  I am just an Obama first supporter while you are Gore first.

But I do believe Obama has changed his view on CTL and he did initially state that he would not support CTL if it would still contribute to harmful greenhouse gases.  Now whether or not that was feasible in the first place seems questionable, but I do believe he was sincere when he said it hence his discontinuing of his support for CTL.

by lovingj 2007-07-06 02:40PM | 0 recs
I don't think Gore

understands selling out the Earth to promote coal mining in one State.  That is exactly what is wrong with politics today and why we are facing climate change.  Greed.  Obama's web site can not make up for that.  All he is doing is trying to capitalize on Gore's real work for the environment.

Barack needs to walk the walk, and to stop selling out the Earth to Big Coal.

by littafi 2007-07-06 05:13AM | 0 recs
Obama

is the only major candidate who has spoken out against mountaintop removal coal-mining.

I haven't heard anything similar from Edwards, Clinton, or Richardson.

by faithfull 2007-07-06 05:51AM | 0 recs
by NuevoLiberal 2007-07-06 06:44AM | 0 recs
Re: What about Obama's

yeah...I didn't like the censorship deal either, but I think that issue doesn't really compare to coal to liquid which would actually increase our carbon emissions.

by Sarah Lane 2007-07-07 04:32PM | 0 recs
Earlier today, I recived an

email form the Edwards camapign:

The John Edwards community has been on the forefront of the effort to stop global warming. This weekend could be a watershed moment in that effort worldwide, and we have a key role to play.

As you've probably heard, Saturday's "Live Earth" concerts will reach an estimated 2 billion people worldwide. To transform all that awareness into action, the campaign behind the concerts created the "Live Earth Pledge"--asking supporters to raise our voice and roll up our sleeves to solve the global climate crises.

The pledge commitments are quite familiar to John Edwards supporters: revolutionizing the energy economy to reduce CO2 emissions, halting all new coal production without carbon capture technology, and taking steps to reduce carbon consumption in our personal lives.

If each of us signs the pledge and then gets just one more person each to join us in the next 72 hours, we can add the full weight of the John Edwards community to millions of other voices at this critical moment. So please sign the pledge yourself, and then ask your friends and family to do the same--it's time to put our address books to work for the cause of a generation.

You can sign online, at: www.johnedwards.com/liveearth

Or you can sign by texting the word 'EARTH' to 30644 from your mobile phone.

Also, on Saturday (July 7th) MoveOn.org, the League of Conservation Voters and other progressive groups are organizing hundreds of "Parties for the Planet" in living rooms all over the country.

It's a great chance to join with other likeminded folks in your area, tune into the Live Earth broadcast, and watch John Edwards and other Democratic presidential candidates lay out their plans to solve global warming as part of the next MoveOn.org "issue primary".

by littafi 2007-07-05 05:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Earlier today, I recived an

If he sent out an email, then WHY IN GODS NAME is there no link from the front page of his Website. His webdesigner needs a smack upside the head...

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-05 06:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Earlier today, I recived an

Edwards sent me an e-mail, but has nothing on his page.  Obama has a link on his front page, but didn't send me mail.

Where is the leadership!!!!

by enarjay 2007-07-05 10:50PM | 0 recs
WTF?

I just went to http://johnedwards.com and it's right on the homepage just like it was yesterday. What are you guys talking about?

by Sarah Lane 2007-07-07 04:34PM | 0 recs
When I first wrote this diary

and you can check the time stamp, it was not there for Hillary or Edwards.  Both of them have it now, however, Obama was the only one with it at time of the original post.

by lovingj 2007-07-07 04:50PM | 0 recs
There is!

On his website, it's on the homepage first...then it eventually fades into a post about minimum wage etc. That's how their website works. Plus, after you see the initial live earth: sign the pledge page, if you look below there's another link to the pledge, plus much more info about climate change and what Edwards plans to do about it.

by Sarah Lane 2007-07-07 04:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Earlier today, I recived an

The page is pretty much the Live Earth petition on Al Gore's site.  I'm surprised he doesn't have more, but its more than certain others have done.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-05 06:27PM | 0 recs
Edwards community has been on the forefront ?

Actually, The "Al Gore" community has been in the forefront, but hey. Why pay attention to details. Not trying to be a smart azz. I'm just saying.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-05 06:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Earlier today, I recived an

Obviously, if an Obama diary prompted you to write this perhaps your horse and cart are misplaced.

by fisheye 2007-07-05 10:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's

Thanks for the info.  Will someone PLEASE (with lovingj's permission) crosspost this at DKos?

by pamelabrown 2007-07-06 09:20AM | 0 recs
I do not have DKos rights.

I would love to cross post and I would send the html copy to anyone who would be willing to do so in the future.

by lovingj 2007-07-07 04:51PM | 0 recs
spam

Should this diary be considered spam? We have a diary on the exact same topic.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/7/5/19592 8/0837

Not I care what you want to write, but please behave like two-faced phony and accuse me of posting 'fluff' about Hillary... This sort of behavour is exactly why nobody outside the Obama echo chamber buys the 'hope', 'new politics' rhetoric.

by areyouready 2007-07-05 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: spam

please don't behave...

by areyouready 2007-07-05 04:51PM | 0 recs
OMG, you haven't been

deactivated, yet???

by icebergslim 2007-07-05 04:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth

I am so glad Obama is doing this! I hope we can all agree on this much!!!!!!!

I have been thinking for months that a Gore endorsement of Obama would be the most natural fit for Al.

by lafinur 2007-07-05 04:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth

OOPS by "this much" I meant on the importance of the environment issue!

by lafinur 2007-07-05 04:57PM | 0 recs
WOW!

Excellent Post!....again! But, hey. If you are going to insist on continuing to create such masterpieces, I have no choice but you give you Kudos. I saw this on the website and I signed up. I think what Obama is doing on behalf of Al Gore is awesome. Thank you posting it here. I recommended it.

Keep up the good work and don't let the HB Trolls discourage you. You are doing an excellent job posting on issues of substance. Please , continue.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-05 04:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Both Dodd and Richardson have far more ambitious and effective greenhouse gas proposals than Obama. Obama's proposals are far too minor and limited and won't even accomplish 1/10th of what we need.

Go to any environmentalist website or blog and look for commentary about Obama and global warming. I'm not trying to badmouth Obama, just report the facts. I hope he will learn quickly and strengthen his proposals.

by billybob 2007-07-05 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Again you post the exact same post, yet fail to actually put some links and make a stronger point.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-05 05:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

LOL

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-05 05:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Well the thing is, I agree that Obama's proposal could be stronger... I like the Fuel requirements, but I think others need strengthening... I also think Obama's plan would actually pass, while a stronger won't.  But if he is going to say the Enviromental Blogs, then post some links.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-05 05:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

I'm not a big fan of his waffling over coal liquefaction.

In addition, you need to calm down with your "You have no links, ergo no argument!" crap.

by PsiFighter37 2007-07-05 05:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Um no I really don't need too but thanks for playing.

And what I said was that links STRENGTHEN his argument... not that he had no argument.  I agree that parts of Obama's plan can stand to be strengthened.  If you are referencing other blogs like that include a link. It does bolster the argument and you have been around on here long enough to know that.  

As for the coal thing, it benefits Illinois which is why he supports it but he has also said he supports it IF the process is clean.  I'm not saying its the right thing to do, just what the facts of his stance are.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-05 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Yeah, you do. You Obama supporters are becoming just as bad as the Edwards supporters here. That wasn't as much the case in the past.

by PsiFighter37 2007-07-05 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Actually, I'd call several of the vocal Hillary supporters the worst right now.  

He actually posted that comment in two diaries... the first response was much better and in depth and it was said as a friendly criticism.  Check it out, its in the other diary on this issue.  Now that being said, finding the exact same post annoyed me and hence my quick post... but perhaps I should have posted the whole thing.  I stand by my sentiment 100%, but I will be more clear next time.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-05 06:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

There's been no waffling on his part.  He's always been for the development of  coal liquification if there can be successful carbon sequestration.  He's looking at it as a research investment worth taking because of the huge amounts of Coal plants in China and India (Thinking Globally) and the Coal industry at home which employs thousands of workers and could free us from foreign oil until we can transfer to renewables (Acting Locally).

by DD2 2007-07-05 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

I agree.  I believe the criticism of Obama on CTL is largely a consequence of the lack of serious discussion of this issue.  Energy security and greenhouse gas reduction are mutually dependent but conflicting issues.  Add in the job creation or protection argument and I wonder why progressives don't have a more subtle position on this issue.  Call it waffling if you like but Obama is showing the way by taking a position on this, right or wrong he is way ahead of the pack.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-05 05:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Well actually John Edwards is right there with him, he advocates spending 1 billion on CLT research.  

by DD2 2007-07-05 06:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i
NO not CtoL.  this is the statement from Edwards website
Maximize the Potential of Cleaner, Safer Coal: Coal will be an important source of U.S. and global electricity for decades, but it is responsible for more than 30 percent of America's carbon dioxide emissions. Edwards will invest $1 billion a year to research ways to burn coal cleanly and recycle its carbon underground permanently. He will also strengthen mine safety laws to ensure it is mined safely.
 
This is for creating electricity.  Coal to Liquid is to use coal as engine fuel and that is more polluting than regular coal.
by pioneer111 2007-07-05 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

So you think exploring CTL technology is a bad idea?

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-05 06:34PM | 0 recs
Compared to other more promising avenues

of technological exploration YES!!!

Al Gore called the legislation Obama is (was?) sponsoring "horrible". I for one would not question Gore's knowledge on the subject!

by Jim in Chicago 2007-07-05 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Compared to other more promising avenues

I don't question his knowledge but I am sure he is looking at it strictly from an environmental perspective.  And he has a point.  A mighty good one.

But he's not speaking as a candidate for the presidency, ironically, but as the world's pre-eminent environmental activist and his objectives and responsibilities are different to Obama's, or any other candidate's.  I still don't see why researching CTL is bad, in fact you would probably have to throw a big bucket of money at it, and that may just be OK too.  I don't know what Al thinks we should do with our coal or how to solve our energy security issues but I am starting to see what Obama has in mind.

Don't forget Obama has lots of other environmental initiatives which have nothing to do with CTL.  This is just one issue for which he has been criticised frequently where I think the criticism has been one-sided.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-05 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i
It's tough to reconcile the security needs to be less dependent on forign oil, having a vast coal reserve and carbon reduction.
Where is the cure all to butter the waffle?
by fisheye 2007-07-05 10:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

A quick Google search tells the story of how Obama got hammered for his coal-to-liquids support.

Barack Obama is not serious about global warming
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/5/ 11/113643/964

Obama: You Can't Fight Global Warming with Coal
http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/06/0 8/obama-you-cant-fight-global-warming-wi th-coal/

Senator Obama's Coal/Climate Change Problem
http://www.blueclimate.com/blueclimate/2 007/02/senator_obamas_.html

He backed off that position at least somewhat.

Senator Obama Yields to Grassroots Pressure, Says No to Dirty Coal-to-Liquids Fuel
http://watthead.blogspot.com/2007/06/sen ator-obama-yields-to-grassroots.html

Obama wants vehicle fuels that produce 10 percent less carbon by 2020. He supports a cap and trade system. Other candidates have more ambitious goals. Leading scientists say we have to do more. I hope Obama continues to keep an open mind and makes the tough choices when it's necessary.

by billybob 2007-07-05 05:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

So, what is the issue with CTL?  

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-05 05:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Massive emissions from converting coal to liquid form.

I don't trust the idea of carbon sequestration, either - if the earth warms so much that all the gas stored underground is released, you have massive warming on your hands. It would be similar to what's happening with the snow on the Siberian tundra melting.

by PsiFighter37 2007-07-05 05:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

We agree, it's a problem, sequestration would need a bucket of money thrown at it to even come par with petroleum on carbon emissions.  But is this solely on environmental issue?  What do you propose the US do with it's coal?  You realise we are the Saudi Arabia of coal, of course.  It may, in fact, be the key to breaking our dependence on foreign, and sometimes hostile, oil suppliers.  And it potentially could create lots of jobs right here in the US.

I am not suggesting I have a solution, or Obama either, but this is not an issue on which environmentalists have the only correct position.  The president must take into account all of the dependent outcomes on this kind of choice.

It is hard, for example, to support a position which does not even fund research on CTL, as the technology as currently practised is old and, admittedly, dirty.  And there is such a thing as mineral sequestration which seeks to get rid of carbon permanently by creating carbonates.  I am sure there is a lot to learn and discuss on this but I am not satisfied the environmental position takes into account other national security and economic factors.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-05 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Here's more explanation of the issue. Obama said he would only support CTL if it satisfied certain conditions. Those conditions are practically impossible to achieve.

Obama Walks Away From Liquid Coal
http://climateprogress.org/2007/06/13/ob ama-walks-away-from-liquid-coal/

by billybob 2007-07-05 06:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Yeah, I have already read his position on this, and others too.  I was wondering why it is perceived an ipso facto bad idea to research the technology.  The question is, do you believe that the environmental aspects of this issue so outweigh the energy security and employment benefits that it should just be abandoned without even funding research?

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-05 06:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Maybe there is some justification for CTL research, but it would be very far down on the list of our vital research needs. Renewable energy should get the highest priority. Electricity generation from clean coal should be accelerated. For private vehicles, vehicle efficiency research is the top priority.

by billybob 2007-07-05 07:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Agreed.  All true things.  But not only is there some justification for CTL research for environmental reasons, as you say, but it would be high on the list of our vital research needs for energy security.  And that's important too.  It's pretty clear our foreign policy has been over-influenced by energy issues, to our detriment.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-05 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Global warming is a national security threat.

http://securityandclimate.cna.org/report /

by billybob 2007-07-05 07:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

That's also true, but is it the only one?

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-05 07:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

The other issue though is what will pass.  You ahve morons in congress and the white house who think Global Warming is a hoax.  Massive sweeping changes will probably not pass without a filibuster proof majority in the senate.  So babystepping it in, while not ideal, might have to suffice for now.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-05 10:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Plus, its better to do something than nothing.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-05 10:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

I know I'm butting in here, but my answer to your question would be yes! The environmental impact definitely outweighs the benefits of expanding our dying coal industry. Why not invest that time and money into renewables, solar, wind and bio-fuels? Why not create a new green economy and help reverse the effects of climate change all in one? I know that it sounds like a dream, but there's so much we could be doing right now and we're not.  

by Sarah Lane 2007-07-07 04:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Why not do both?

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-08 03:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

I believe it's a two step process into the earth, then into water.  It has been proven to work but not on a commercial level yet.

by DD2 2007-07-05 06:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Ocean sequestration is one of the more dubious of methods proposed, basically any method which does not form carbonates in the Earth's crust from the sequestered carbon would result in it's release into the atmosphere sooner or later.  And, of course, there is the cost.  The thing about CTL is it is about the only transportation fuel solution which has the potential to produce the abundance of energy we currently require for heavy and ocean transport.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-05 06:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

We still have a lot of oil, even if it's getting a lot more expensive. It'll still be less expensive and less polluting than CTL.

by billybob 2007-07-05 07:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Who is the we who have this oil?  We are a net importer.  It is currently less expensive and less polluting than CTL, true.  But if when you say getting more expensive you are including the entire cost of the war in Iraq you would be nearer the truth.  That's too expensive, really.

We are financing our opponents in the Middle East, as well as our allies.  How foolish is that?  We are only doing it because we have no choice.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-05 07:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

When I say we I mean domestic reserves of oil. We have enough to fuel our heavy transport and ships for decades. Light vehicles can be electrified.

by billybob 2007-07-05 08:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

That's the solution?  Really?  And home heating oil too, I suppose?  And these electric cars, we're building them in Detroit, are we?  Then why are we importing oil?  And invading Iraq?  And competing with China for energy resources?

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-05 08:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

The other thing with CtoL is that if it ever was successful and clean, it could be a major map changer if Dems get it rolling.  Montana (Schweitzer is a huge supporter of CtoL), Illinois, many other western states have HUGE coal deposits... A lot of the traditional red states might very well turn blue with increased union activity as well.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-05 10:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Yeah Detroit is making hybrids now and it'll be making plug in cars in a few years.

Why are we fighting for oil and so wasteful with the oil we have, it's because the American way of life is nonnegotiable! And if you believe that, vote Republican.

by billybob 2007-07-06 05:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Sorry, don't quite understand.  We should reduce our consumption?  Agreed.  Use hybrids?  Sure.  Still don't see that means we shouldn't even fund CTL research.  Did I miss your point?

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-06 01:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

I didn't mean oceans.  I think it was pools which basically provide heat transfer from the ground.  I'll have to dig it up but not tonight.

by DD2 2007-07-05 07:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Don't blame you, researching CTL on the web is like Diogenes looking for an honest man.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-07-05 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Is sequestered coal carbon emmissions in gas form or solid?

by fisheye 2007-07-05 10:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

See that's what I was talking about.  Nice Job... 3 for you!

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-05 10:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

You're right, Obama and Clinton's plans only call for a 50% reduction in carbon emissions by 2050. While Richardson's plan calls for an 80% reduction by 2040, and Edwards plan calls for an 80% reduction by 2050. Scientists say that a 50% reduction will not be enough to reverse the course we're on, it's better than nothing but it's not enough.

by Sarah Lane 2007-07-07 04:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

If Al Gore endorses Obama that will be huge news that could change the race.

by bebe 2007-07-05 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Nice thing to do for Al though.

by bebe 2007-07-05 05:38PM | 0 recs
I hope he does.

by lovingj 2007-07-05 06:10PM | 0 recs
Here's a slightly different diary on this

If anyone is interested in plugging in to another conversation on Obama and Gore...

A little earlier, I diaried Obama's Live Earth promo in the context of a somewhat
oblique comment Gore made on The Today Show this morning, about his presidential
endorsement intentions.

Diary here.

by horizonr 2007-07-05 06:01PM | 0 recs
all the democrats

support al gore.  

by truthteller2007 2007-07-05 06:30PM | 0 recs
I would

like to point out Edwards sent a e-mail on this. But does not have it on his website.

I would like to see all the candidates have something about this a long time ago but hey, our candidates are not activists.

I think Gore will endorse Obama and on that same day Obama will come out with a extremely strong energy plan styled by Gore ;) Maybe not a carbon tax but something big and even stronger then what he has already(low carbon fuel standard, Boxer-Sanders-Obama cap and trade system, 45mpg CAFE, biofuels, etc)

by Populista 2007-07-05 07:41PM | 0 recs
Yes he does

It's funny, I just went to the website five times after reading from all of you that it's not up on his website. It's right on the homepage, the thing is after you open the page seconds later the page evolves into other issues. It's also just below the main pic on the homepage as well. Look again.

by Sarah Lane 2007-07-07 04:51PM | 0 recs
Recommended

Nice to see positive chemistry evolve between Gore and Obama. As some of you know, I hope to see Gore/Obama sworn in come Jan 20, 2009. But, we'll see how things will emerge on whether Gore enters the race or not.

If Gore doesn't run, Obama is my top choice. But Obama does need to come through on the environmental front (I'll have to spend some time assessing this in detail). And, I like Kucinich and Dodd as well (of course, neither of them has too much of a chance of winning). The Obama/Dodd ticket has been floated by some, interestingly. I think that an Obama/Clark ticket would also be strong.

Gore has made it amply clear what he wants to see before someone can get his endorsement, should he eventually decide to rule out a run, and it could also be a factor in his eventual decision on a run itself.

by NuevoLiberal 2007-07-05 07:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Whoever is running the Obama website has it together.  I just checked the Clinton & Edwards websites and, well, whoever is running the Obama website has it together.  As do you Lovingj.

by DD2 2007-07-05 07:58PM | 0 recs
Thanks

by lovingj 2007-07-05 10:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

I'm very fatalistic on global climate change, and honestly I don't really care about the environment, but this is a smart political play by Obama. Good for him.

by Korha 2007-07-05 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

What do you mean you don't care about the environment? You don't care about having air to breathe so you can stay alive???!?!?

People will say/write the darndest things!

by lafinur 2007-07-05 08:02PM | 0 recs
Thank You Barack!

I would like to commend Barack Obama for placing the link to the Live Earth event on his front page. It will draw a lot of interest and hopefully bring more people around to an understanding of the crisis we must face and defeat.

I wish I could agree with the headline but I don't. It is clear from reading the text of his site that Obama is not uniting anything other than the people that visit his site to believe that he is somehow the environmental savior if we would just elect him President when his history demonstrates that he is quite the reverse of this.

Obama championed the liquid coal fuel debate. That is, until the environmentalists began making a fuss of it. Then of course he said that he only supports it if it doesn't create more greenhouse gasses. Yeah right! And that explains why he did not remove his name as a co-sponsor of the bill that would promote it.

I appreciate any Democratic candidate that hypes up this concert because the focus of it is important to everyone on the planet. I would even appreciate a Republican candidate hyping it.

The problem is that Obama is hyping this as a political move and not in an effort to actually promote the event for what it is. That is pandering in it's most raw and ugly form. If any of you have paid attention to what the candidates have been promoting you would know that the real "Environmental" candidate is Chris Dodd. His proposals actually do something significant about energy independence and global warming. Don't let the pretenders blind you.

Enjoy the concert!

by DoIT 2007-07-06 06:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Thank You Barack!

What does that mean he "championed the liquid coal fuel debate"?  Coal accounts for 50% of our nation's electricity.  It employs thousands of workers, it is a major source of energy for China and India.  The confusion about Obama's position comes looking at him through our normal political prism where being willing to talk about an issue really means championing it, where seeking to find consensus and creative solutions really means to capitulate.  But that's not how he works.  He stays true to his principals while exploring all avenues to accomplish his goals.  

The Bush administration found this out in this very area of coal.  I found an interesting detail of this from the recent Washington Post article "Coal Fuels A Debate Over Obama":  


On 2004 campaign visits to the region (Southern Illinois), Obama stuck up for the coal industry by criticizing pollution rules proposed by President Bush that Obama said unfairly favored Western coal and rallying behind workers who had lost their health benefits in mine bankruptcies.

After his election, Obama's commitment to the region was quickly tested. On the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, he found himself the deciding vote on Bush's "Clear Skies" initiative to replace rules for coal-fired power plants with a system of pollution credits, which environmentalists attacked as a risky loosening of limits.

The Bush administration targeted Obama, banking on his rhetoric about thinking outside party lines and his concern for Downstate Illinois. But in the end, he held firm in opposition, saying the bill would worsen pollution while not helping the Illinois coal industry as much as claimed. The bill died in committee on a tie vote. Reaction was swift.

"All of [his] dialogue and rhetoric during the campaign had been pro-coal, and we saw this as a pro-coal initiative," Carbondale Mayor Brad Cole (R) said.

Three months later, Obama saw an opportunity to win back goodwill. He attached a provision to the 2005 energy bill for $85 million over five years to test using Illinois coal to produce transportation fuel.

What Bush and the Carbondale Mayor did not get was Obama stays consistent to his positions.  He is a solid environmentalist and is not going to sacrifice his commitment to improving our environment.  He is also committed to the people of the region and sympathetic to what the Coal Industry represents in terms of jobs in the area.  But instead of sacrificing one for the other or playing them off  against each other, he looks to satisfy both without compromising his ideals.  He stayed firm to his environmental stance while at the same time delivered to the Industry, and thus to the people, helping to save their jobs while at the same time pushing the Industry toward research which could be pro-environment.

Now the same people are crying once more, that in doing this they thought he was really pro-Coal and now he's slipping away again by demanding that CTL technology have 20% lower CO2 emissions than petroleum-based fuels.  If he was going to cave environmentally, he would have passed Bush's dirty Clear Skies Initiative in the first place.  He's not pro-Coal, in fact he's pro-Renewables, but he is pro-Coal worker and if there's a way to be that and lower our CO2 emissions, and reduce our dependance on foreign oil, then that is what he's going to do.  

by DD2 2007-07-06 03:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

Obama was 5 years ahead of John Edwards on Iraq, and he's years ahead of Edwards on the environment too. Good for him.

by Pope Jeremy 2007-07-06 10:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama unites to promote Al Gore's Live Earth i

"...he's years ahead of Edwards on the environment too..."

This just isn't true. I am sure you want to believe it and convince others of it but it is a blatant falsehood.

Not trying to start a fight. But please at least use facts to support your candidate.

by DoIT 2007-07-06 02:19PM | 0 recs
LOL!

So, Obama's years ahead huh? Even though Obama was sponsoring a CTL bill? Even though Obama's energy plan is much weaker then Edwards plan? Obama's plan only plans to cut 50% of carbon emissions by 2050, while Edwards cuts 80%, which is what scientists say needs to be done.

by Sarah Lane 2007-07-07 04:55PM | 0 recs
Hillary Clinton Late to the Party

Hillary Clinton, in her latest fit of me-too-ism, finally posted a link to the Live Earth Web site.

That's it. Just a link.

And a pretty picture.

by horizonr 2007-07-06 12:47PM | 0 recs
And Obama's looks better

than both of theirs.  He obviously put some effort into his instead of just rushing it together.  He includes a personal message plus extra links.

by lovingj 2007-07-06 01:20PM | 0 recs
No, please...

I hope this doesn't mean Celine is performing.

by DD2 2007-07-06 01:52PM | 0 recs

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