Snakes (and Net Neutrality) on a Plane

Summer's coming to an end, Congress is about to reconvene, and Hands Off the Internet wants to shoot the breeze about summer movies... or if you prefer, the net neutrality debate.

"I start by admitting my surprise at how quickly so many of our nation's successful firms have jumped in to urge the government to regulate [the Internet]. I rarely meet a person in business who does not profess support for a free market, who does not long for the government to keep its nose out of the business.  But nonetheless, when fear of marketplace disadvantage arises, there is a tendency to quickly turn to government to seek protection or help."

That's the nation's top cop for consumer protection and she's pegged this neutrality debate perfectly (on a plane).

Anyone trying to understand the outlandish claims about so-called Net neutrality should check out FTC Commissioner Deborah Platt Majoras' speech at this week's Progress & Freedom Foundation conference in Aspen (on a plane).

Google, Amazon, eBay and the other large online companies have a sweet deal going on.  They've carried their narrowband dominance into the broadband world while successfully avoiding the costs necessary to building out tomorrow's Web (on a plane).  

Now, they've gone to Congress to freeze this situation, curbing the evolution of the Net with unprecedented new federal regulations.  Against this backdrop of corporate arrogance by the Internet's Big Guys, thanks are due to Commissioner Majoras for pulling the curtain aside to show what this debate's really all about (on a plane).

Tags: Broadband legislation, Hands Off the Internet, internet regulation, net neutrality, Planes, Samuel L. Jackson, Series of Tubes, snakes, SoaP (all tags)

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19 Comments

Re: Snakes (and Net Neutrality) on a Plane

Your comment about Google, etc., is a crock.

"Curbing the evolution of the Net" ???? Nonsense.

First, the federal regulations aren't unprecedented. The internet was created by, through, and with, federal regulation.

What you're selling is not some sort of problem with the users of the internet pipes. To use your words, you're selling "corporate arrogance by the Internet's Big Guys" like AT&T, BellSouth, and the other connectivity providers. They're looking for a new racket so they can print money instead of compete for it.

I can't imagine any reason to be for their view except being paid. How much are you being paid?

by KB 2006-08-23 06:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Snakes (and Net Neutrality) on a Plane

A lot of people here seem to want to imply that the telecos are the big bad guys out for a profit, and Google and their band of rag-tag small-time bloggers merely have the best interests of the internet at heart.  

As this report from the American Consumer Institute shows, the companies who are fighting FOR net neutrality are actually the businesses in this fight that run the highest profits and monopolize the most market share in their industry:

http://search.sys-con.com/read/262570.ht m

Cable TV and Telco network providers (Comcast, Time Warner, AT&T, Verizon, et al.) have greater sales, but lower profit rates, market valuations, returns on invested capital and cash flow multiples than NN advocates (Google, Microsoft, Yahoo!, and eBay). * Measured by the market value of outstanding shares (market capitalization), Google and Microsoft are far larger than cable and Telco network providers. * Net Newcomers Google (50.1%), Yahoo (27.1%), and Amazon (25.9%) enjoy monopoly-like returns on invested capital compared to AT&T (8.5%) and Verizon (8.7%). * In addition to superior financial strength, NN companies also enjoy significant market power reflected in large shares in relevant markets. Google dominates the "search" market, Microsoft dominates markets for software, and eBay dominates markets for online auctions, etc.

This might not change your position on net neutrality, but please, it's time to get past this insane myth that this is big business vs. the little guys.  The biggest, baddest and most profitable businesses in this fight are on the pro-net neutrality side.

by 4 a better internet 2006-08-23 07:21AM | 0 recs
by greg bloom 2006-08-23 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Snakes (and Net Neutrality) on a Plane

Thanks for linking to the members of our coalition.  As you can see it is a broad mix of business, internet freedom advocates, technology groups and minority groups.  

I guess you have no response then to the fact that the companies fighting FOR net neutrality are the ones with the highest profits and are more monopolistic in relation to their industries then the telecom companies are?

This myth that the anti-NN folks are big business needs to end.  It is the pro-NN folks who are actually the biggest and most profitable businesses in this fight.  They are looking out for their own bottom line, and must be delighted that all these bloggers are helping them protect their own profits.

by 4 a better internet 2006-08-23 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Snakes (and Net Neutrality) on a Plane

I guess you have no response then to the fact that the companies fighting FOR net neutrality are the ones with the highest profits and are more monopolistic in relation to their industries then the telecom companies are?

Unlike you, I am not being paid to defend my position. So when I have to work, it means I can't respond in real time.

So, how much are you being paid?

Let's see - in my initial reply, I pointed out that the internet was created with regulations. No reply. That's because it's true.

I pointed out that big telco's rate to make a big pile of money if net neutrality is not law. No argument. That's because it's true.

As for your strawman that somehow the big defense of net neutrality is because Google doesn't make enough money, no one cares. No one is here defending Google.

I am pointing out that "the market" can't provide the protections that are required to make sure the internet continues to be successful. Only the government can ensure that all content is treated equally by connectivity providers.

I understand that it's your job to be an advocate for the coalition of connectivity providers. It's a rotten job because you have no human beings on your side, only corporations, and a small subset of them at that. Nonetheless, you are trolling in the wrong waters here.

Net neutrality is needed. Your arguments are disingenuous and misleading. There are gobs and gobs of people like me on the internet - people who have been involved since it was created. You need to go work meatspace for your selling job. There are just too many informed professionals in cyberspace who are going to hand your your hat as they kick you out the door. Scat!

by KB 2006-08-23 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Snakes (and Net Neutrality) on a Plane

I'm choking on irony. someone please call for help

by greg bloom 2006-08-23 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Snakes (and Net Neutrality) on a Plane

Snakes on a Plane is a clever political metaphor for what happens when Republicans are planted in the Government by corporate terrorists intent on bringing it down.

I'm sick of these motherf%&*ing Republicans in the motherf%&*ing Government!

by admiralnaismith 2006-08-23 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Snakes (and Net Neutrality) on a Plane

How cute! We've got some astroturf planted right here on lil' ol' mydd!. Time to get out the weed whacker.

Seriously, google pays -a lot- for the bandwidth that they use. I pay for the bandwidth that I use. That issue is a red herring.  

If you want to see what a network without neutrality looks like, take a gander at cellphones.  Every company has its own signals and nobody needs to play nice with anyone else.  If you are out of your coverage area you are either out of luck or you pay out the ying yang. There are plenty of neato whiz bang services possible over these networks, but almost none of them are available because nobody can access the network without permission from the big kids. And they won't let you play on their playground.

Sometimes, a little bit of regulation is good for business.

by Kempe 2006-08-23 07:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Snakes (and Net Neutrality) on a Plane

Kempe, have you looked at the front page of our website?

Can you explain to me how an organization that freely admits its association with companies in the telecommunications industry can simultaneously be astroturf?

by LookMaNoHands 2006-08-23 01:19PM | 0 recs
Research Raises Questions about Consumer Welfare

The American Consumer Institute's research further "raises questions about how consumer welfare is increased by imposing government price and service regulation on network infrastructure providers and not other web-centric companies with equal or superior market and financial power (i.e. Google & Amazon).

Let's all take a minute to think about who is really threatened by an unregulated marketplace.

Thank you for taking the time to read the linked press release above. - Hands Off The Internet

by knowthenet 2006-08-23 07:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Snakes (and Net Neutrality) on a Plane

How much are you being paid?

by KB 2006-08-23 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Snakes on Your Screen

They will fool no one here but the disinformation campaign will fool plenty of the general public. They want to get their greedy hands on the internet so they name their campaign the opposite - pure Orwell. I'm interested in a wide range of viewpoints, but the Telco's and their paid shills are engaged in a deception campaign, so I consider them trolls.

by FishOutofWater 2006-08-23 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Snakes in the FTC

FTC Commissioner Deb said with a straight face,
"While I am sounding cautionary notes about new legislation, let me make clear that if broadband providers engage in anticompetitive conduct, we will not hesitate to act using our existing authority."

Deal after deal has been made in the Telco business to reestablish monopolies after the breakup of AT&T.  The Republicans have raked in contributions from the Telco's while doing zero enforcement. Now the Telco's see a new oportunity for monopoly control - the internet.

No one has to use Google, Amazon or even Microsoft.   But once a phone company gets monopoly control you are stuck with whatever they give you.

by FishOutofWater 2006-08-23 10:18AM | 0 recs
Damn good motherfuckin movie!

This diary is hard to follow. A few quotes and a link. I am not even sure what the diarist's point is.

But I will say this.
Take a big group of friends and watch Snakes on a Plane because it's the most fun I have had with a movie this summer. It won't be the same watching it with a small crowd at home or in the theater.

by Pravin 2006-08-23 12:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Snakes (and Net Neutrality) on a Plane

We'll back up Pravin on the SoaP front.

The reason for this diary shouldn't be TOO hard to discern, though. The FTC realizes that the situation with Net Neutrality is much less about "saving" the Internet from a doomsday scenario where reaching MyDD is impossible, and much more about Google asking for a government handout. We're trying to provoke a little debate, and it seems we've accomplished that.

It also seems that we've spooked the editors at this site just a little, because even though this post has attracted some significant comments, it's no longer in the recommended diaries section. Not on the front page at all! And here we thought this was an open forum.

Also, many of you have no sense of humor, which is too bad. Admiral Naismith is one of a few who are excepted.

by LookMaNoHands 2006-08-23 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Snakes (and Net Neutrality) on a Plane

Looks like all the comments from the anti-NN folks have been hidden.  I guess when it comes to advocating no content discrimination and all bytes being equal, that doesn't apply to MyDD.

An open debate about these very relevant comments by the FTC commissioner is really all that we at Hands Off the Internet wanted to see happen.  People need to hear both sides of the issue, not have one side of the debate hidden from them.

by 4 a better internet 2006-08-23 02:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Snakes (and Net Neutrality) on a Plane

An open debate about these very relevant comments by the FTC commissioner is really all that we at Hands Off the Internet wanted to see happen.  People need to hear both sides of the issue, not have one side of the debate hidden from them.

Last time I checked, your hands off "blog" didn't allow anyone to post comments.  So much for an open debate.

But more importantly, while I agree that this issue is more complicated than most are willing to admit, I don't see how spreading disinformation like "Google gets the Internet for free" is helping the public understanding.

by SixStringer 2006-08-23 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Trolls with phones on a Plane

I troll rated your disingenuous comments. If you would present an honest discussion rather than a regurg of corporate talking points used in your corporate ad campaign, I wouldn't troll rate you. You don't deserve free advertising here.

How much are they paying you?

by FishOutofWater 2006-08-24 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Snakes on Your Screen

The guy thinks he's a comedian, sock puppets and all. It's kinda funny watching him slip and fall into his own stinkin pile.

The telco's are cheap bastards with their employees and freelancers. It shows.

by FishOutofWater 2006-08-24 08:41AM | 0 recs

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