[3rd UPDATE] Obama Plays Race Card Again: "Hillary Clinton does not respect our people."

Update [2008-1-18 19:40:50 by lonnette33]: From the Edwards campaign a few minutes ago Via CNN. GO JRE!
Las Vegas, Nevada – During a “Get Out the Caucus” rally in Las Vegas today, John Edwards made the following statement calling on Senator Obama to denounce the UNITE HERE radio ads. “Just a few days ago, on a stage where all three of us were participating in the debate, there was a discussion of putting behind us and stopping the race politics that had been going on for a few days before that between Senator Clinton and Senator Obama. And everyone pledged that this kind of divisive politics that divides the Democratic Party and could divide America would come to an end. “Senator Obama made that pledge. I was sitting five feet from him when I heard him say it. And now it turns out that in the last twenty-four hours, there's a radio ad that's being run—a malicious radio ad attacking Senator Clinton. That is exactly that kind of divisive politics. It's being run right here in Las Vegas. “I denounce it. This kind of ad, I don't care who's doing it—in this case it's Senator Obama's supporters—but this sort of thing needs to stop. And from what I've seen, Senator Obama has not said a single word about this. Nothing…when two days ago, three days ago, he sat on a stage in front of America and said this kind of politics had no place in America. That is divides America. It divides the Democratic Party. And he denounced it. Well, now it's happening…by his supporters…right here in this campaign twenty-four hours before the caucuses. And what I have to say is he should speak up. If he really means what he says—and this is not just talk—he should speak up and denounce this kind of divisive politics. It is not what the Democratic Party needs. It is not what America needs. And let me say this very clearly, vis-a-vis Senator Obama, I will not divide America. I will unite America.”
Update [2008-1-18 10:15:25 by lonnette33]: Taylor Marsh just posted her take on this one and it is superb.

Update [2008-1-18 10:20:9 by lonnette33]: Statement from Clinton Campaign Spokesperson Phil Singer-which ties into the point BTD, SteveM and others made in the tread.

“In Iowa, Senator Obama and his campaign went out of his way to attack labor unions for independently promoting other candidates. But in Nevada, he’s looking the other way as they falsely attack his opponents. That's wrong. Senator Obama shouldn't be saying one thing about independent groups in Iowa and another in Nevada. While we clearly disagree with the attacks being made against us, we do respect the right of labor unions to participate in the process. Senator Obama apparently has no problem with groups running ads as long as they attack others. While that’s audacious, it’s certainly not hopeful.”

Obama's labor allies aired a radio ad and re-injects ethnicity into the DEM primary.

Please read the entire article here:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 108/UniteHERE_ad_Hillary_Clinton_does_no t_respect_our_people.html

Hillary Clinton does not respect our people," the ad says in Spanish (original and Clinton campaign translation after the jump), referring to the lawsuit that failed today to shut down special caucus sites on Las Vegas' strip.

Sen. Obama is defending our right to vote. Sen. Obama wants our votes. He respects our votes, our community, and our people. Sen. Obama's campaign slogan is 'Si Se Puede.' Vote for a president who respects us, and who respects our right to vote," the ad says, according to a transcript provided by the Clinton campaign and confirmed in part by a union official.

It calls Senator Clinton "shameless" and says the fact that her allies were fighting to stop voters from being able to participate in caucus sites at casinos on the Las Vegas strip was "unforgiveable".

Dolores Huerta, a longtime Hispanic labor leader who supports Clinton had to say this:

It's pathetic and it's sad and it's unfortunate that they have to stoop so low.

She said she had never met Obama in her years of working on Hispanic causes, and suggested the ad was prompted by his lack of Hispanic support.

A spokesman for Obama, Bill Burton, did not condemn the ad or the independent spending specifically, but instead attacked Clinton.

Sen. Obama believes, and has said clearly, that campaigns should fund themselves and discourages supporters from spending outside the campaign," he said, and echoed the charges in the ad. "Coming from a campaign that is repeatedly launching absolutely false attacks against Sen. Obama, it takes some chutzpah. The facts is their camp clearly would like to have worker's voices silences and they need to live with that unfortunate position.

HRC fights back aganist the ad. Read the article here on abcnews.com

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/ 2008/01/clinton-fights.html

Every single sentence is a personal attack on Hillary Clinton," said Maria Echaveste of the Clinton campaign, speaking to reporters on a conference call this afternoon.

Echaveste called the ads "misleading" and "outrageous". "Particularly by saying in Spanish that Hillary Clinton does not respect Latinos. And that is just so far from the truth that it makes my mouth drop," she said.

Honesty MyDD, I don't know how much more of Obama I can take.

Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Radio Advertisement (all tags)

Comments

197 Comments

No respect left for Obama

If I had any respect for Obama, I lost it with this latest story.

by lonnette33 2008-01-17 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: No respect left for Obama

Well, if you keep making this stuff up, those parts attributed to Obama, than I must add that not many people will have much respect left for the Hillaryphiles who are assigned to this site.

by shergald 2008-01-17 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: No respect left for Obama

what part is made up? Furthermore if any part of the ad is false, then why did the Obama campaign attack Clinton rather than arguing that the Clinton memo was false?

by world dictator 2008-01-17 05:59PM | 0 recs
ahh another loser

has to resort to claiming people are paid bloggers for another campaign.  That's pretty pathetic stuff.

by MollieBradford 2008-01-17 06:32PM | 0 recs
Re: No respect left for Obama

Same old same old Obamabot talking points.

by Artificial Intelligence 2008-01-18 04:33AM | 0 recs
Quite disappointed

that you are defending Obama here.

This is yet another use of race and ethnicity to divide working people.  

by TomP 2008-01-18 08:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Quite disappointed
I hope he keeps it up. The more he gets identified as a minority candidate, the more he'll get marginalized. Part of his original appeal, besides his snake oil tongue, was his all American appeal. I can't believe I started this season as an anyone but Hillary and ended up swearing to vote for her before I'd ever cast a vote for Obama. It is his supporters. They're awful.
by dkmich 2008-01-18 12:58PM | 0 recs
Your title is misleading

by Moonwood 2008-01-17 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Your title is misleading

And how. The Obama bashing continues. Is it possible that Hillary's declining numbers are related to the turn to negativity. Has Bill lost his touch?

by shergald 2008-01-18 03:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Your title is misleading

I was thinking Obama's political enemies may be setting him up, portraying him as a race baiting divisive politician.

If, at some point, they spring the trap, sort of like a Trojan, Obama's credibility will be ruined, and that of the people who support him, ie Dean, Leahy, Kerry...

The democratic party is not the same as the neocons, race baiting is not tacitly approved.

It's best to try to see how others can use your strategy against you, and Obama has made some critical mistakes.

Rove sold Bush with the same despicable tactics, but Bush never wanted to be taken seriously, Obama does.

And it hurt Bush, derailed his Presidency. He accomplished nothing, other than acts of simple destruction, which can be rectified.

Who admires this type of tactic as ultimately intelligent, and workable?

Personally, I now have no respect for Obama as a man, or for his politics, his political strategy -- same old same old, hardly a contender, hardly a  threat. But he poisoned his own water.

by Marsha1 2008-01-18 04:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Your title is misleading

True, if you believe the Hillary machine.

Not true, otherwise.

by shergald 2008-01-18 04:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Your title is misleading

Same old same old Obamabot non-substantive comments.

by Artificial Intelligence 2008-01-18 04:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Your title is misleading

Edwards and HRC said in Iowa they could not control those 527 groups... and they continued to run the ads...

Now, they are saying that Obama should be able to do what they either could not do or refused to do... it is laughable.

Fake outrage is knee deep around the blogasphere.

by hawkjt 2008-01-18 04:43PM | 0 recs
Troll diary

Your previous diary had no credibility; what would make me think that this one does?

by Dr Squid 2008-01-18 05:04AM | 0 recs
Problem is Obama's right

You think there wasn't at least tacit approval from the Clinton campaign for that voter suppression attempt?  If not, why didn't they come out swinging against the lawsuit right from the start?

Clinton is only for Clinton.  Runs in the family, I guess.

And besides, I'll be damned if I'm going to let her get in there and replace Dean with Harold Ford.  If she wins, she'd better not even think about it.  I want a nominee who will continue to support Dean's strategy.

by Sean Robertson 2008-01-18 05:20AM | 0 recs
Re: No respect left for Clinton

If I had any respect left for Clinton, I lost it with her "sour grapes" efforts to engage in voter suppression.

I am completely astounded by the flaming hypocrisy of the Clinton supporters.  Your willingness to support Rovian smears and distortions seems to know no bounds.  

Reasonable disagreements and discussions about policy and political style are great, but your never-ending efforts to fundamentally distort Obama's record, policy, and statements offend me at the deepest personal level.  You are trying to destroy one of the finest leaders our party has seen in over a generation.

Your inability to think clearly about how we build out party and a progressive movement are profoundly troubling. You may win in the short term, but you are doing so at the cost of profoundly damaging our party and our cause.

by upper left 2008-01-18 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: No respect left for Clinton

Do you build our party by saying things like "Hillary didn't cry about Katrina" and "Hillary doesn't respect Latinos"?  Is that a party-building strategy?

by Steve M 2008-01-18 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: No respect left for Clinton

Steve,

What a BS straw-man argument.  I generally expect better from you.

I posted comments both here and at TPM saying that I thought JJ Jr's comments were insensitive and politically stupid.

Perhaps that is the difference, I am willing to admit when a surrogate of my candidate does something that is ill advised or out of bounds.  I find very few HRC supporters willing to hold HRC, or BC, or their legion of ill behaved surrogates, responsible for any of their statements.

Mostly what I observe is what we have in this dairy:  attempted "smear" posts filled with distortions and misrepresentations.  I wonder if any ones has bothered to count the number of negative hit posts that have been posted by supporters of the big three candidates?  

I would be willing to wager that HRC supporters have been responsible for over two thirds of the attack diaries on this site in the past three months.  I would go further and wager that Obama's supporters have posted the smallest number of attack posts.  Try spending as much energy posting "for" your candidate as has been spent posting "against" Obama, and this will become a much happier place.

by upper left 2008-01-18 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: No respect left for Clinton

It's not a strawman.  My point is that no one has a copyright on the argument that goes, "YOUR candidate is tearing the party apart with their sleazy tactics!"

The fact that you are, apparently, one of the few individuals wise enough to recognize that some of the blood is on your own candidate's hands makes the sanctimony displayed in your prior comment even less excusable.  Don't act like the other guys are doing something uniquely pernicious when you know everyone is guilty.

Are there more slimy anti-Obama diaries here than anti-Clinton ones?  There probably are.  (There are some valid criticisms too, and I assure you the typical response to those diaries is not, "Why yes, you have a good point here!")  But as I suspect you know, all it takes is a few minutes hanging out at Daily Kos to even out the score and more.  You can barely even exist as a pro-Clinton poster over there without getting troll-rated into the dustbin of history by an angry mob.

Regardless, the blogosphere has survived primary season before and it will survive again.  If there's some kind of lasting damage to the party from this campaign, God forbid, it's not going to be because of anything that happens on the blogs.  So take it easy, please.

by Steve M 2008-01-18 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: No respect left for Clinton

You are right that no candidate, campaign, or group of supporters have a monopoly on bad behavior.

Our political process is deeply flawed and it is impossible to win without committing more than a few sins along the way.  This is precisely why it is so important that Obama is making an effort to improve the process and the quality of political discourse.  He is not a Boy Scout; he wouldn't have a chance if he was.  But he is trying to improve campaign finance, reduce negative attacks, and increase civil discourse.

I find it particularly offensive when HRC supporters jump up and down every time anyone associated with Obama says anything the least bit negative about HRC, at the same time they are engaged in a constant stream of Obama bashing.  

The words that keep coming to mind are "complete lack of intellectual honesty."  I do not put you in this category, but many in the Clinton camp seem to be able to wrap their brains around an amazingly distorted view of reality. I find very few of the criticisms of Obama posted here to have much in the way of validity; many are "straw-man" arguments, or "pot/kettle" arguments, many are based on taking isolated comments out of context.  The list of logical fallacies is long.

I can give you a clear, concise, and fact based analysis of why I think Obama is a better choice for the Dems.  It does not involve hurling a bunch of bullshit arguments at Clinton.  I dislike the way the Clintons and many of their supporters approach the political process.  I think it is profoundly cynical and is corrosive to the Democratic party and the political process.

by upper left 2008-01-19 05:13AM | 0 recs
Re: stop this madness

It's you stooping so low with your raging diary claiming Obama used the race card again. Did he ever used the race card? Obama has rightfully tries his best not to inject race in his campaign unlike Hillary brandishing the fact she's a woman running for President at every stop.

by Jr1886 2008-01-17 05:16PM | 0 recs
Re: stop this madness

Not only have I lost respect for Obama, I have lost respect for many of his supporters. This radio AD is outrageous and just pain wrong Jr1886. He should immediately stop airing it. He has offended many bigs wigs in the Hispanic Community. He's buring bridges.

by lonnette33 2008-01-17 05:18PM | 0 recs
Slow down lonnette

Your spelling is suffering.  First it was schmuck, which at least is yiddish; you have at least that excuse, oy gevalt.  But now "buring"?  And what, pray tell, is a "bigs wigs"?  LOL. I am just snorting here.  "pain wrong" - whahhaha - my GAWD, girl, get a WEBSTER's!

You are hurrying so much to slam, slur, slime and slander that you can't spell.

It's embarrassing.  It's pathetic.  

Perhaps if you tried to be nice and constructive, you would spell better.

by dataguy 2008-01-17 05:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Slow down lonnette

I know. I got to work on that.

by lonnette33 2008-01-17 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Slow down lonnette

"I've got to work"

Geez

by lonnette33 2008-01-17 05:28PM | 0 recs
loser

you lose when you have to resort to making fun of someone's spelling and typos.  I guess you have no excuse for Obama's race baiting?

by MollieBradford 2008-01-17 06:04PM | 0 recs
Oh, I dunno Mollie

You Hillary-bots work with spittle-flecked screens and bile all over your keyboards.  You are sloppy, unable to frame a coherent argument, and unable to think clearly.  

It comes out in spelling.  You can't even slow down long enough in the slander, slime, slur and scum parade to read your posts carefully.

It's an indication of the overall disorder in your movement.

by dataguy 2008-01-17 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, I dunno Dataguy

Gee, thanks.  Hey, I bet the white Obama vote starts shrinking.
by killjoy 2008-01-17 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: loser

I finally agree with you about something.

This is a serious question for you. What will you do if Al Gore endorses Obama?

by misscee 2008-01-18 04:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Slow down lonnette

One of the rules of blogging: if you can't refute the argument, attack the spelling and grammar.

by Denny Crane 2008-01-17 06:13PM | 0 recs
yup

it always makes the person attacking look so foolish.

by MollieBradford 2008-01-17 06:30PM | 0 recs
stop beng such an ass

and your the same person who constantly whines about how "mean" hillary supporters are.

grow up, act like a man, not a "guy"

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-18 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: stop this madness

"big wigs"

"burning bridges"

spelling and writing not my strong point.

by lonnette33 2008-01-17 05:27PM | 0 recs
Expecting good grammar...

...On the internet is sort of like expecting good diction over the telephone.

Don't worry about it.

If someone is going to zero in on a few typos here and there, then they're probably looking for a reason to criticize.

by Andre Walker 2008-01-17 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Expecting good grammar...

I agree.  If you understand the gist of what the person is saying , then it should be enough, especially in the heat of a thread.  That said, I would expect some attention to grammar in a diary though.  Lonnette, you crack me up.

by Kingstongirl 2008-01-17 05:44PM | 0 recs
ths is a great diary

that guy is a jerk and not a fraction as bright as he thinks he is.

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-18 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: stop this madness

LMAO. The irony. According to the Clinton campaign, Hispanics don't vote for black candidates anyways.

by highgrade 2008-01-17 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: stop this madness

Do you really want to go there?

by lonnette33 2008-01-18 04:36AM | 0 recs
Re: stop this madness

You apparently do

by labor nrrd 2008-01-18 04:50AM | 0 recs
-Rep. John Lewis on News Hour 1/14

"It is unfortunate that people have tried to distort what Mrs. Clinton had to say about Dr. King," "I think there has been a deliberate and systematic attempt by some people in the Obama campaign to really fan the flames about race and to really distort what Senator Clinton said.  I understood and I think most right thinking people understood what she said.

"President and Senator Clinton have a record, a history, a very long history of bringing people together.  No right thinking American would ever think that Senator or President Clinton would ever do anything that would use the race card"

"I must tell you...I'm trying to set the record straight...the Obama camp is doing something else, theyr'e sending out memos to the media trying to suggest that the Clintons are playing the race card."

-Rep. John Lewis on News Hour 1/14

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-18 09:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

I guess it was only a black-white truce.  All the other ethnicities are still fair game.

I guess I should have known that the woman who didn't cry over Katrina doesn't care about Latinos, either.  "Hillary Clinton does not respect our people."  Unbelievable.

Interestingly, John Edwards seems to have lined up with Team Clinton on this one.

Of course that wasn't going to be the last word. The Clinton campaign fired back: "In Iowa, Senator Obama and his campaign went out of his way to attack labor unions for independently promoting other candidates. But in Nevada, he's looking the other way as they falsely attack his opponents."

At that point, there was only one thing you could count on for sure. John Edwards wasn't going to sit this one out. His spokesman took up on the same side of the street as the Clintons -- skewering Obama for criticizing in Iowa what he won't in Nevada. "When Senator Obama says turn the page, he obviously means turn to whatever page is most convenient."

I'd love to see the other unions - most notably the unions who don't get to enjoy the benefit of the at-large caucuses - to get involved in this little dust-up.

by Steve M 2008-01-17 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

I commend JRE. What a man!

by lonnette33 2008-01-17 05:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

This is still not as bad as the Katrina thing, but it's really bad.  How Obama's campaign can refuse to condemn this is beyond me.

by Steve M 2008-01-17 05:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

The sad thing about it all Steve is that I've only seen this story on Politico and ABCNEWS, where's the rest of the MSM. They are worthless.

by lonnette33 2008-01-17 05:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

Ben Smith has a link to CBS News.  I guess we'll see.

I really do not think you can tell South Carolina voters that Hillary doesn't care about black people, tell Nevada voters that Hillary doesn't respect Latinos, and expect to win a national election.

They should bring up this ad with the AA voters in South Carolina, frankly.  Black voters are smart, and when they see that the same tricks are getting played all over the country, only with a different race substituted in, they'll get what's going on.

by Steve M 2008-01-17 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

Hillary has a bigger problem in SC.

news.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4150648

by masslib1 2008-01-17 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

For some reason the link doesn't work for me.

by Steve M 2008-01-17 06:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

Sorry, see below.

by masslib1 2008-01-17 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

Sorry, here:

abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4150 648

by masslib1 2008-01-17 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

It takes courage - or something - for a man to say in front of his wife, "I just couldn't turn the country over to a woman."

For my part, I'm such a wimp I don't even dare show that clip to my wife.  Sad.

by Steve M 2008-01-17 06:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

I don't think it take courage to be overtly sexist, and you're no wimp.

by masslib1 2008-01-17 06:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

It's not that I'm afraid, of course, just that I know it would be very depressing.

By the way, I think I saw a picture of you in one of those NH diaries.  Hope you had fun!

by Steve M 2008-01-17 06:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

That's a terrible picture of me.  I'm just going to say it doesn't do me justice.  :)

Yes, it was great fun.  Actually, I am going to write about it, but I got bronchitis I think from being out in the cold pounding the pavement for Hill.  The last day was so emotional, and then I had a run in with Sean Hannity, and I was so upset I left.  So, ha, I actually missed the big victory.  

by masslib1 2008-01-17 06:40PM | 0 recs
a run in with Sean Hannity??

what?!

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-18 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Black voters are NOT smart

How do they feel about him now?

by Steve M 2008-01-18 07:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Black voters are NOT smart

LOL.  Good one SteveM.

by lonnette33 2008-01-18 08:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Black voters are NOT smart

I had a black roommate back during the Thomas/Hill controversy.  We used to get the conservative newspaper (it had a better sports section), and when they came out with this editorial basically saying "if you believe Anita Hill you're an idiot," he made me cancel the subscription.  I'd get struck by lightning if I said some of the things about Clarence Thomas that my roommate said.

by Steve M 2008-01-18 08:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

Mark Halperin has it up too.

The Page

by Denny Crane 2008-01-17 06:21PM | 0 recs
they wont write anti obama stories

thats why you see NO ONE in the entire media repeat John lewis's words about Oabams campaign false charges and use of the race card.  I put them here, they have be no where else at all.

Thats why you saw 10,000  articles about Bob Johnson and 2 mentioning  Rev Wright's slandering Clinton from trinity United's pulpit.

Thats why you see the Wash Post and the NY Times today both writing articles about Clinton gettng mad at the reporter over the NV caucus suits, but neither even bothers to explain what he said about the unfairness of how these strip sites count 5 times as much as at the other sites...aka why he was mad at the unfairness of the coverage, they chose to leave that out in order to make him look ,as the obama cult luvs to say "desperate and pathetic",not pissed at the press for not doing theyre jobs, which he was.

thats why you see no articles about the hypocrisy  that Obama has stolen the words  of tht gret heroine Dolores Huerta - who founded the UFW with CAeser chavez, these words - Si Se Pueede - were stolen to use against the woman Huerta supports.

The media worked to defeat Gore in 2000 and they are trying to do the same to hillary now.

NOTHING is clearer.

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-18 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

Full Edwards quote:

"When Senator Obama says turn the page, he obviously means turn to whatever page is most convenient," Prince said. "He loudly and repeatedly attacked independent ads by unions in Iowa as the product of special interests. But when a different outside group starts running ads on his behalf in Nevada, there's not a peep from him or his campaign. It must be because he's burning up the phone lines calling the head of UNITE HERE personally to demand he pulls the ads down right away."

by Steve M 2008-01-17 06:10PM | 0 recs
Obama panicking. Sounds like it.

by ottovbvs 2008-01-17 05:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Ag

I actually was wondering when someone would poitn out Obama's hypocrisy.

Wasn't this the same guy who attacked Edwards on unions airing ads for him , he even called them special interests.

Now he has them on his side not only airing ads for him but in the same vein using racial tactics.

Obama's campaign is really a fairy tale.  

by lori 2008-01-17 05:53PM | 0 recs
Huh

"Honesty MyDD, I don't know how much more of Obama I can take."

What is that, a threat?

by mcdave 2008-01-17 05:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Huh

if thats what you think then you're not that bright.

by world dictator 2008-01-17 06:03PM | 0 recs
Let me guess
It is a 527 right?
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Let me guess

That's not what matters.  What matters is that Hillary Clinton apparently does not respect you.

by Steve M 2008-01-17 06:09PM | 0 recs
Heh
I knew all this clean campaign shit was as phony as a three dollar bill. Excuse me Obama supporters, but the hypocrisy reeks. Will wven one Obama supporter admit this is bullshit hypcrisy? I will not hold my breath.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Heh

They literally can not see it. I've been there myself, not for Obama, but I've been there.  I know of what I speak.

by masslib1 2008-01-17 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Heh

is there a difference between a wingnut who feigns indignance and outrage despite not knowing what he is talking about (and in fact being wrong), and a liberal who does the same?

I submit to you my answer: No. You're both useless.

by alipi 2008-01-17 06:43PM | 0 recs
WTF?
I KNOW Obama is a hypocrite about the 527s. WTF do YOU know?
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 06:46PM | 0 recs
Oh please

Who's campaign manager is Hispanic? Nuff said.

Clinton should have Patti, her campaign manager, should go on the radio,mailers,etc in spanish media and tell her that she's know Clinton for years,etc and call these attacks BS. I wonder how many hispanics know Clinton's campaign manager is Hispanic.

Also, Clinton should count how many of her top advisor's are Hispanic and compare it to Obama's, or even UNITE-HERE. Then they should point out the notable high ranking Hispanics in the Clinton adminstration

by world dictator 2008-01-17 06:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh please

excellent idea. Solis-Doyle should make a commercial.

by MollieBradford 2008-01-17 06:17PM | 0 recs
LOL

Hey, that's like the same argument bloggers use when people point out how white the so-called liberal blogosphere is and some numbnuts always says, 'Hey, Markos is Latino!"  like they get some cool person-of-color cred points by blogging on his site.

Some of my best friends are...I can't believe white people  still love that shit.  

by fabooj 2008-01-18 06:19AM | 0 recs
Muslims? Aethists?

Who are Barry's peeps again?

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-17 06:08PM | 0 recs
You can also see it here

with some interesting comments.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/01/unite-here-divi.html

by kevin22262 2008-01-17 06:08PM | 0 recs
Can the good Rev. Jerimiah Wright clarify

Who is Obama referring to?  I am sure it is not Jewish people what with the Rev. Wright's and Obama's church showering Farrahkan with awards and all.

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-17 06:11PM | 0 recs
Yep, dey getting

uppity in dat church again.  Yep, dem uppity UCC church goers.  Probably sing gospel and everything.

Got rhythm tho, right, dp?

by dataguy 2008-01-17 06:19PM | 0 recs
So Farrahkan is okay with you?

YOU?

YOU think his views on Jews are perfectly fine, right?

Speak UP, you.

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-17 06:35PM | 0 recs
you fucking prick

Obama's church has no connection to Obama, other than that the daugher of the pastor of the church works for a magazine that wanted to talk about Farrakhan.

By this logic of yours, Kevin Bacon is guilty of killing Jonbenet Ramsey.

by alipi 2008-01-17 06:40PM | 0 recs
Re: you fucking prick

*no connection to Farrakhan", I meant to say

by alipi 2008-01-17 06:41PM | 0 recs
Re: you fucking prick

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/01/14/AR2008011402083. html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Obama's pastor gave Louis Farrakhan an award for "truly epitomized greatness."

You Obama people need to get your facts straight.

by kristoph 2008-01-17 07:13PM | 0 recs
hahaha

congratulations on citing a shameful article that was ridiculed for its absurd slant. If you had READ the article you linked for me, you would have found this:

"It was not Obama's church that made the award but a magazine."

by alipi 2008-01-18 06:09AM | 0 recs
Re: hahaha

I'll also note that this lonely truth was immediatley followed by the author's opinion that it was meaningless, a good indication of his calibur as a journalist.

by alipi 2008-01-18 06:12AM | 0 recs
Re: you fucking prick

rules? This is mydd, have you noticed? You have rssai claiming that Clinton kills puppies, the ANDREWS guy fuming at the mouth that Obama's father is a muslim (my goodness, what outrage!) and people like framecop posting several hundred useless comments per day. Do you seriously think this is a place for reasonable people or for the rule of law?

by alipi 2008-01-18 06:17AM | 0 recs
youre nuts

Obama called wright his "spiritual mentor' and this same guy went to libya to see Kaddafi with thenut job anti semite Farrakan.

But inhis1st book, obama himself said he was proud that his brother joined the nation of islam.

We'll get to all that mess that next week...

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-18 11:04AM | 0 recs
Who does the arrogant Obama think his peeps are

Who are Obama's people.  His friend, mentor and pastor, the Rev. Jerimiah Wright has attacked white people and Jewish people, as he has given Farrahkan awards.

Obama has stoob by and supported his friend and offered in his own words, his "affection."

So who are Obama's people?  He has less union support nationally than either Clinton or Edwards.  His father, as Obama admits, was Muslim, his mother a devote aethist.  So who is Obama?  Who are his people?

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-17 06:19PM | 0 recs
Well, you are into Limbaugh territory here

"His father was a muslim."

well, I dunno about his father, but I do know that you got problems with your racist statements.  You're just an old racist, ain't you?

by dataguy 2008-01-17 06:21PM | 0 recs
I draw no conclusion and offer only facts

I am proud of my father, Obama should be proud of his.

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-17 06:30PM | 0 recs
I want to know if Obama cried for Katrina victims

He sent Jesse Jackson Jr. out to attack Hillary Clinton and to say she didn't cry for the victims of Katrina.

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-18 08:32AM | 0 recs
Two words

There's only two words we should use to describe this:

RACIAL. SWIFTBOATING.

Pass on the phrase.

by world dictator 2008-01-17 06:29PM | 0 recs
Don't be so hard on Obama. He different.

His tears cure cancer.   His touch heals the sick.  When he snores it sounds like CSN ... or Earth Wind & Fire, depends on your taste.

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-17 06:32PM | 0 recs
every single one of you is an IDIOT

because OBAMA DID NOT SAY THIS, NOR DID HIS CAMPAIGN. This ad was placed by a UNION which is backing Obama, but which IS NOT RUN BY OBAMA FOR AMERICA and does NOT COORDINATE OR SEEK APPROVAL FOR ITS ACTIONS WITH OBAMA.

Lonnette knew this when she wrote the diary, I can tell this quite clearly, because of the parts of her quote that she chose to use, and those which are not shown. Shame on you. Shame on all of you. Go read a fucking book, or at least, a credible news source.

by alipi 2008-01-17 06:36PM | 0 recs
Re: every single one of you is an IDIOT

Well, I figured someone would make the argument that Obama bears no responsibility for the ad, at the same time that Hillary bears complete responsibility for the lawsuit that the ad is about!

But that's not the point.  The point is that the Obama campaign has flatly refused to denounce this disgusting message.  If you don't see how that makes them complicit, I don't know what to say to you.

by Steve M 2008-01-17 06:44PM | 0 recs
I favor the
utter and gfroos hypocrisy of cirticizing 527 ads in Iowa and standing by this one in Nevada better. That is really the treat here. alipi is so stupid he does not even know what blatnat hypocirsy is.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 06:50PM | 0 recs
Re: I favor the

I can get over hypocrisy (is this a 527 ad, actually?) a lot easier than I can get over the racial attack, to be perfectly honest.  I'm still steamed over the Katrina thing.

by Steve M 2008-01-17 06:53PM | 0 recs
Well
the Russert moment is the one that will sell.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Well

which?

by Steve M 2008-01-17 06:59PM | 0 recs
You know how Russert
puts up a quote and then a contradictory quote of people? On day 1 you said x. On day 3 you said the opposite of x?
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: You know how Russert

When Timmeh stops tongue-bathing Obama and calls him on ANYTHING I will eat my hat.   That famous "gotcha" style is only for the rest, not for the Golden Child.  

by WMCB 2008-01-18 06:20AM | 0 recs
Re: I favor the

That was totally disgusting.

by masslib1 2008-01-17 06:58PM | 0 recs
Senator Obama bears no responsibility for the ad!
The question is does he support it? Unless he says he supports it, then you can't say he supports it.
Also it doesn't sound like anyone who understands Spanish has commented here on the ad.
If you could understand Spanish, you would understand that the ad says Obama supports union workers (our people). There are no references in the ad to Clinton not supporting the Hispanic community or to race at all, which is why the American MSM has given it no attention at all.
by fetboy 2008-01-17 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Senator Obama bears no responsibility for the

The argument that "he hasn't said he supported it" is so incredibly pathetic I don't even have words for it.

As for the notion that it's really just about working people, not about Latinos, do you find it funny at all that there's no English-language version of the ad?

"It's pathetic and it's sad and it's unfortunate that they have to stoop so low," said Dolores Huerta, a longtime Hispanic labor leader who supports Clinton. She said she had never met Obama in her years of working on Hispanic causes, and suggested the ad was prompted by his lack of Hispanic support.

"I have yet to find even one worker -- a Latino worker -- who is supporting Barack Obama," she said.

Maybe Dolores Huerta just doesn't understand Spanish as well as you do.

by Steve M 2008-01-17 07:10PM | 0 recs
Did Dolores Huerta mention a race card play?

No she didn't, because she knows that a race card wasn't played.

by fetboy 2008-01-17 07:28PM | 0 recs
Heh
Of course she does. But what of the hypocrisy fatboy?
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 07:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Did Dolores Huerta mention a race card play?

I realize you have to really, really stretch for an argument here, but this one isn't going to cut it.

Not one single Obama supporter has denounced this ad so far.  What an amazing group of people.

by Steve M 2008-01-17 07:40PM | 0 recs
More correctly.

The Obama campaign is indifferent to the ad, neither supporting it or condemning it. They probably don't support it because they don't know what to make of it, and they probably don't condemn it because it doesn't sound like the race card was played within it. At worse the ad is anti-Clinton, and at best it is a pro-Obama ad submitted by independents who are completely unaffiliated with the Obama campaign. I don't really understand what the big deal about the ad is, which is why I recommend the Hispanic community be left alone to decide whether or not it should be condemned.

by fetboy 2008-01-17 07:50PM | 0 recs
Re: More correctly.

I somehow doubt the Obama campaign has lost its super-sensitive ear for racial attacks within the last few days.

Your career as an apologist is really not going well.

by Steve M 2008-01-17 07:53PM | 0 recs
There was no race card played, now or then.

I'm not apologizing for anything, certainly not for an ad that an independent Hispanic American group puts out in Spanish.

by fetboy 2008-01-17 08:00PM | 0 recs
It was the CWU
not an "independent Hispanic American" group. You know, the Obama endorsing CWU.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 08:09PM | 0 recs
I believe it is the other way around.
The CWU endorsing Obama.
I'm not in the CWU, so I am not going to tell the CWU what they can or cannot do or say.
by fetboy 2008-01-17 08:18PM | 0 recs
What?
Oh, you misunderstood, Obama endorsing weas descriptive in that sentence. Here is an example you yourself might use - "the corporation loving Clinton." Get it?
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 08:24PM | 0 recs
As a standing member of the Hispanic community
I hereby deem the ad to be an attack on Hillary Clinton's commitment to Hispanics and thuis a playing of the race card. Will you be accepting my judgment on this now?
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: As a standing member of the Hispanic community

Um, no...if so take it up with UNITE, not Obama

by chicagogene 2008-01-17 08:01PM | 0 recs
I won;t take it up with you
You are an idiot.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 08:14PM | 0 recs
Then you have my support to condemn the ad.

But the Obama campaign had absolutely nothing to do with the ad.

by fetboy 2008-01-17 08:02PM | 0 recs
That is the problem
accordig to Obama, he hates "independent expenditures." Do you foks know anything about what Obama said about union ads in Iowa? Are you all this fucking clueless?
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 08:13PM | 0 recs
Re: That is the problem

First, learn to fuckin type.

You are comparing apples and oranges and you damn well know it...well perhaps you can't comprehend...Maybe big letters and small words.

How about it?

WILL-THAT-HELP-YOU-UNDERSTAND????

by chicagogene 2008-01-17 08:17PM | 0 recs
Look, you moron
I am not talking to you.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 08:25PM | 0 recs
He or she is doing pretty good

speaking to you.

by fetboy 2008-01-17 08:33PM | 0 recs
Heh
If you think so, that shows that you are none too bright also. Tell you what, you and he can have a deep conversation and continue to deny the obvious - Obama is a rank hypocrite when it comes to 527 expenditures.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 08:38PM | 0 recs
Heh
You must not understand spanish or English if you beloieve that. I do speak and write Spanish personally. And you seem not to understand English in that Obama condmend 527 ads in Iowa and now embraces them.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 07:35PM | 0 recs
lol....wrong

it was translated by the clinton campaign and their translation was verified by the union.

by MollieBradford 2008-01-17 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Senator Obama bears no responsibility for the

I've been playing the clip here in San Antonio, and my Hispanic friends are saying the phrasing and choice of words is blatant race-baiting.   They are not amused.

by WMCB 2008-01-18 06:22AM | 0 recs
Re: every single one of you is an IDIOT

Ok Steve, so then you are saying that you have no problem with a diary whose title and body attribute the actions of the union directly to Obama - is this correct?

At what point will one of you own up to the fact that this diary is deliberately misleading?

by alipi 2008-01-18 06:04AM | 0 recs
Re: every single one of you is an IDIOT

I feel that with Obama's campaign flatly refusing to denounce the ad, he now owns it.  If they disapprove of the message, they should say so.

One thing that amazes me about politics is how when it's someone else's candidate, it's so easy to blame the candidate for anything and everything, but when it's your own candidate, it's like the candidate bears zero responsibility unless the words directly pass the candidate's lips.  It's more comical than anything.

The diary clearly says who ran the ad.  If you want to obsess over the title, be my guest.  I'm still waiting for the very first Obama supporter to denounce the blatant racial attack, which to me is the real issue.

by Steve M 2008-01-18 07:10AM | 0 recs
What a fucking idiot
Are you completely unaware that Obama denounced ads by union 527s in Iowa? You fucking moron. You stupid piece of shit. Ok. enough of that. You just are really really really dumb.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: What a fucking idiot

Is this a 527?

by dmc2 2008-01-17 07:02PM | 0 recs
Umm
Are you accusing the CWU of breaking the law? Cuz if it is not through a 527 then they are breaking the law.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Umm

If you say so, I believe it. I honestly just hadn't heard one way or the other.

by dmc2 2008-01-17 08:00PM | 0 recs
Let's break some news
CWU, or better yet, Obama UNION, breaks campaign finance laws, hires Adam Bonin to defend.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 08:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Let's break some news

Not following you here. Was it a 527 or not? Is there no other way for a union to run a political ad other than through a 527?

by dmc2 2008-01-17 08:22PM | 0 recs
Bingo!
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 08:26PM | 0 recs
Re: What a fucking idiot

Enough of your bullshit...associating this with Obama is re-fucking-diculous.

Where the fuck where you when she sent out a direct mail piece claiming Obama didn't fully support Choice?

Where the fuck where you when she went on air claiming that Obama supported Yucca Mountain?

So a labor org goes on air with an ad after she...ERRRRRRRR....her supporters file suit to not allow caucus locations on the strip (which if you any fucking thing about Nevada, is that every election you can vote on the strip, tool.) 6 days prior to a caucus...

Shut the fuck up, seriously.

by chicagogene 2008-01-17 07:17PM | 0 recs
Re: What a fucking idiot

Why do people insist on sacrificing their credibility by claiming Obama bears no responsibility for this ad?  His campaign has explicitly refused to denounce it.

by Steve M 2008-01-17 07:19PM | 0 recs
Re: What a fucking idiot

Steve, why does his campaign, and only his campaign have to denounce an INDEPENDENT Expenditure? INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURE....

He's is not responsible for the content, because it is an INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURE....

That's one reason...secondly, after the bullshit HRC has pulled in the past week in Nevada, with the AFCSME mailer in NH...has anyone demanded accountability from HRC? After Robert Johnson, and then the explanation from her camp, the double standards are unbelievable

by chicagogene 2008-01-17 07:23PM | 0 recs
Fuck an A
Because He demanded Edwards and Clinton do the same fucking thing you moron. It is called hypocrisy. What a fucking dope.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 07:39PM | 0 recs
Re: What a fucking idiot

He has to denounce it because it's a disgusting racial attack by his supporters.  Somehow, I missed the groundswell of public opinion that said the Clinton campaign had no responsibility for what Bob Johnson said.

How does your brain even process the cognitive dissonance necessary to believe that Obama has no responsibility for the ad, but Clinton has responsibility for the lawsuit that the ad complains about?

by Steve M 2008-01-17 07:43PM | 0 recs
Re: What a fucking idiot

As posted below...you know nothing of Nevada politics...

You have the nerve to compare that to a labor org who was undecided up until 8 days ago. I'm calling bullshit.

The NEA, KKB&R filed suit claiming disenfranchisment...if you knew anything about NEVADA politics, you'd know that they are Clinton surrogates. Do you know who Mark Ferrario is? Obviously not. Do some research before you speak to me. Check out who KKBR represents in Nevada?

Yes, there is a fucking connection...

by chicagogene 2008-01-17 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: What a fucking idiot

You have no comprehension.  No one is arguing that the Obama campaign secretly directed this ad to be made, because it doesn't matter.

The fact is that they were given the chance to denounce it after the fact, and they refused.  A disgusting racial attack, saying "Hillary Clinton does not respect our people," and they had no problem with that message.

These are Obama's supporters.  The Obama campaign owns that message now.  Shameful.

by Steve M 2008-01-17 07:52PM | 0 recs
Re: What a fucking idiot

I wish you had this outrage during the Shaheen-Kerrey-Johnson-Young-Rangel.

If I recall, I did take HRC 3 days and 4 explanations for the most recent Johnson fiasco, so when you are as adamant, then your complaint will be valid.

by chicagogene 2008-01-17 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: What a fucking idiot

Do you intend to offer any defense for the message in this ad?  Or are you simply going to hide behind the hypocrisy argument?

There has been nothing said in this campaign that was as bad as Jesse Jackson Jr.'s Katrina remark, but this ad might be in second place.  I have no respect for anyone who sees no problem with it.

by Steve M 2008-01-17 08:00PM | 0 recs
Heh
I am sure you ewere screaming bloody murder and if you were not, ONLY THEN will your DEFENSE of this be fucking valid. I have to hand it to you, in a tough competition, you are clearly the dumbest Obama supporter. Congrats.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Heh

You offer nothing but tired explanations...your depth of knowledge is limited at best.

by chicagogene 2008-01-17 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Heh

no point in responding -- he doesnt see it as wrong because he is from Chicago -- u know, where nothing is wrong in politics... you know where Obama learned how to play dirty.

by sepulvedaj3 2008-01-18 11:15AM | 0 recs
This is too fucking hilarious
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 07:57PM | 0 recs
More correctly.

The Obama campaign is indifferent to the ad, neither supporting it or condemning it. They probably don't support it because they don't know what to make of it, and they probably don't condemn it because it doesn't sound like the race card was played within it. At worse the ad is anti-Clinton, and at best it is a pro-Obama ad submitted by independents who are completely unaffiliated with the Obama campaign. I don't really understand what the big deal about the ad is, which is why I recommend the Hispanic community be left alone to decide whether or not it should be condemned.

by fetboy 2008-01-17 07:42PM | 0 recs
Or you this fucking stupid?
Do you NOT know what Obama said about unions getting involved in campaigns through ads in Iowa? My gawd, Obama supporters must be the stupidest people on Earth.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Or you this fucking stupid?

You are on Bullshit...period...point blank...your bullshit. or you are fucking ignorant.

Do you know what an Independent Expenditure is?

FUCKING INDEPENDENT...

Obama made very clear as Edwards was railing against special interest, that he had former campaign manager dropping 750,000 through a 527 setup in June.

If you don't see a CLEAR fuckin difference...you shouldn't be typing. Go play with your blocks and color, kid.

by chicagogene 2008-01-17 07:46PM | 0 recs
There is no fucking difference
unless you are arguing that Obama was ok unless the amount spent was 750,000 dollars.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: What a fucking idiot

Look, the point of the fact is Obama is going to end up dividing the party by racial lines if this kind of race baiting continues. THIS IS WHAT ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT YOU DOLT!

by SocialDem 2008-01-18 05:39AM | 0 recs
chicagogene your an idiot!

You Chicago folks don't get it do you?  He condemned it when groups were doing it to him and he came out in full force and raise money off them! But not a word from him about a "special interest group" doing it to his opponents!

In your dumb statement chicagogene, you even did the same thing you are being a hypocrite of,

    "So a labor org goes on air with an ad after she...ERRRRRRRR....her supporters file suit to not allow caucus locations on the strip (which if you any fucking thing about Nevada, is that every election you can vote on the strip, tool.) 6 days prior to a caucus..."

but because it is the Clintons THEY MUST BE BEHIND IT RIGHT?

Your pathetic!

You know I get very mad when I hear negative things about any of our canidates, yes even Obama. But it seems to me that when something is so over the top hateful and discussing done toward Hill or Bill you guys can't bring yourselves to admit when they have gone too far!

But his past drug use is completely off limits!

All you guys are pathetic!

by boxer4hrc 2008-01-17 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: chicagogene your an idiot!

Ok...again you know nothing of Nevada politics, so stop right there.

The NEA, KKB&R filed suit claiming disenfranchisment...if you knew anything about NEVADA politics, you'd know that they are Clinton surrogates. Do you know who Mark Ferrario is? Obviously not. Do some research before you speak to me.

I didn't hear you complaining when AFSMCE mailed misleading mailers in NH? No. Did I hear you call for HRC to condemn the bullshit mailers? No. That's because of the relationship the Clinton's have with McEntee. Edwards' camp manager left to setup a 527 to boost edwards.

You have the nerve to compare that to a labor org who was undecided up until 8 days ago. I'm calling bullshit.

You are a hypocrite, like most Clintonistas.

by chicagogene 2008-01-17 07:42PM | 0 recs
Are you really this fucking stupid?
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Are you really this fucking stupid?

Is that all you got as a retort?

Your embarassing yourself.

by chicagogene 2008-01-17 08:00PM | 0 recs
For you
it is more than I need. You are one dumb fuck. Enjoy.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: For you

You are a tool...keep on staying in the basement...one day you'll get rid of the acne and get a girl.

by chicagogene 2008-01-17 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: For you

Please, please close the rhetorical trenchcoat.  That much of your ignorance on display is more than anyone wants to see.

by WMCB 2008-01-17 09:14PM | 0 recs
Re: For you

OMG, you don't know who you are talking to.  You are making an ass of yourself.  I believe BTD is a successful attorney, and you are coming off like a nitwit.

by masslib1 2008-01-17 09:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Are you really this fucking stupid?

No, too much of the Obama Kool-aid. I have grown really disgusted with Obama as of late. If Edwards isn't viable by the time Wisconsin has it's primary, I am voting Hillary for sure.

by SocialDem 2008-01-18 05:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

Will ANY Obama supporter denounce this ad?

by Steve M 2008-01-17 08:02PM | 0 recs
The only people who should be asked to decide

whether or not the ad should be denounced, is the Nevada Hispanic American community.

by fetboy 2008-01-17 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: The only people who should be asked to decide

And yet, I am asking the Obama supporters at this site whether they have a problem with it.

It's patent race-baiting.  If it were run on behalf of my own candidate, I would be utterly disgusted.  There's nothing wrong with asking Obama supporters whether they are similarly disgusted.

If the answer is no, then fine, it's no.

by Steve M 2008-01-17 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: The only people who should be asked to decide

Should the add be denounced? Absolutely. Do I expect Obama to do anymore than he has done? Not at this time.

He has spoken out about 527 ads repeatedly and he has in no way condoned this ad (to my knowledge, if someone has different information I would be interested in seeing it.)

To put this ad squarely at his feet is a mistake though in my opinon (albeit one he may have brought on by speaking about 527's to begin with.)

by JDF 2008-01-18 02:30PM | 0 recs
Heh
Obama's hypocrisy can be denounced by any honest person.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 08:15PM | 0 recs
I'm indifferent to the ad.

I neither support the ad, because I don't really know what to make of it (I'm not Hispanic, I don't live in Nevada, and I am not part of the CWU), and I don't condemn it because it doesn't sound like the race card was played within it. At worse the ad is anti-Clinton, and at best it is a pro-Obama ad submitted by independents who are completely unaffiliated with the Obama campaign. I don't really understand what the big deal about the ad is, which is why I recommend the Hispanic community be left alone to decide whether or not it should be condemned.

by fetboy 2008-01-17 08:28PM | 0 recs
Hypocrisy
Obama's. Condemns 527 ads for Edwards and Clinton in Iowa. Does not condemn them for himself in nevada. Simple as pie. If you have half a brain.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-17 08:40PM | 0 recs
Wait
I thought this thread was about whether or not Obama played the race card, not about 527s. I am going to wait until Obama becomes president, when he can actually do something about the capabilities of 527s, before I label him a hypocrite.
Also, in Iowa I believe that Obama was speaking out against Edwards and Clinton supporting 527s. Obama has not supported the ad or the 527.
by fetboy 2008-01-17 08:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Wait

...wow

by Steve M 2008-01-17 09:03PM | 0 recs
Did you pay attention to Iowa at all?

Neither Edwards nor Clinton "supported" the 527s that were doing commercials on their behalf. Yet Obama - and Obama hack extraordinaire Adam B. - marched all over Iowa and the Internets demanding that Edwards stop the ads from going on the air. Attacking Edwards and the 527s was more or less the Obama campaign's major theme the last week of Iowa, until the DM Register poll showed them leading.

"I am going to wait until Obama becomes president, when he can actually do something about the capabilities of 527s, before I label him a hypocrite."

This is hilarious. That's exactly what Edwards said in response to Obama's attacks in Iowa, a key distinction being that the pro-Edwards 527 ads were, you know, actually pro-Edwards, not negative attacks like this one.

by Shawn 2008-01-17 09:19PM | 0 recs
For background...

Read this.

by Shawn 2008-01-17 09:27PM | 0 recs
Classic
You think Adam Bonin will say anything about this?
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-18 03:23AM | 0 recs
Apparently
they did not get involved until AFTER iowa.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-18 03:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

There's certainly a racial overtone to the ad that is unnecessary.  But frankly there's usually a racial overtone to voter suppression efforts.  And that's exactly what the lawsuit was -- an effort to suppress the vote.  And there seems to be much more outrage over calling out this republican tamp down the vote effort backed by the Clintons than there is over someone pointing out that voter suppression lawsuits is NOT what democrats do.

by davey jones 2008-01-18 03:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

If I understand you right, you're saying the Clintons wouldn't have tried to disenfranchise a white union.

by Steve M 2008-01-18 03:55AM | 0 recs
This is a majority white union
if I understand the reporting correctly. 30% Latino leaves 70% for non-Latino.
by Big Tent Democrat 2008-01-18 04:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays Race Card Again

I'm saying that most, if not all, efforts to "disenfranchise" people -- like this one -- wind up landing on the backs of minorities.  That's part of the reason we find those efforts so offensive when Republicans undertake them.  Maybe its fair to criticize Obama for accepting union ads when he's suggested that others shouldn't.  Fine.  But none of us should be rising to defend blatant voter suppression.

by davey jones 2008-01-18 04:06AM | 0 recs
Obama is just okay...His Campaign is Just Evil n/t

by demwords 2008-01-17 11:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

Hypocrisy aside, this reeks of desperation. It is desperation if the last two polls out of NV are right.

by Ga6thDem 2008-01-18 03:08AM | 0 recs
No mystery here

"I've been struck by how hungry we all are for a different kind of politics. ... But challenging as they are, it's not the magnitude of our problems that concerns me the most. It's the smallness of our politics. ..."—"A Message From Barack Obama," NBC5.com, January 16, 2007.

"Now, promoting himself as a fresh face on the national political stage, proclaiming his distance from lobbyists and the Washington culture of special interests, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has to contend with his own history. ... From Chicago to Springfield, his past is filled with decidedly old-school political tactics -- a history of befriending powerful local elders, assisting benefactors and special interests, and neutralizing rivals."—Dan Morain, "Obama: a fresh face or an old-school tactician?" Los Angeles Times, September 8, 2007.

In 1996, his first campaign for the Illinois Senate, "Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like [Sen. Alice] Palmer. ... A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it."—David Jackson and Ray Long, "Obama knows his way around a ballot. Some say his ability to play political hardball goes back to his first campaign," Chicago Tribune, January 3, 2007.

by Artificial Intelligence 2008-01-18 04:46AM | 0 recs
"Hillary Clinton does not respect

The facts of the ad are correct, the opinions are up for dispute. Does Clinton actually "disrespect" voters? If you think that the potential disenfranchisement of voters is a disrespect, then you could say that she doesn't respect them (enough to forgo a nasty political maneauver). Also, Bill's defense of the lawsuit was the most desparate thing I saw, and I can't believe that teachers, who don't work on Saturday, are disenfranchised to the extent that strip workers would be if the court had found in favor of the Clinton allies who brought this suit. If I were Obama, I would be uncomfortable with the tone of this, but I don't think it's egregious enough to ask somebody to pull it off the air, because the facts are correct.

Is the Obama campaign desperate, or are their surrogates resorting to the sort of hardball tactics that Clinton feels very comfortable with? At least Obama's add is true. The attack on the present votes from NH, and the ridiculous mailer about Social Security which mimmicks the worst right wing talking points, are just plain false. Finally, the Yucca Mnt add is a joke because Clinton also takes $ from Nuclear Power people, too.

by klaridad 2008-01-18 04:53AM | 0 recs
Re: "Hillary Clinton does not respect

It's the hypocrisy, stupid!

by Artificial Intelligence 2008-01-18 05:02AM | 0 recs
Re: On another Note

You're welcome Undies Sided.

by lonnette33 2008-01-18 05:46AM | 0 recs
Re: He'd Better Not Try That With Jewish Voters...

They won't react very well:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/010 8/7933.html

by Tennessean 2008-01-18 06:46AM | 0 recs
Re: He'd Better Not Try That With Jewish Voters...

Unfortunately, a lot of us don't get to vote in Nevada because it's on a Saturday.

by Steve M 2008-01-18 07:12AM | 0 recs
Re: He'd Better Not Try That With Jewish Voters...

That's why when people say Obama has a chance at winning NY, I'm like "in what lifetime".   NY has a heavily Jewish population. I don't see how Obama wins NY. Of course he will pick up delegates, but not win it.

by lonnette33 2008-01-18 07:24AM | 0 recs
Re: He'd Better Not Try That With Jewish Voters...

The Jewish vote is significant here, but the real point is that Hillary is simply a very popular Senator.  She's done very well for us.

by Steve M 2008-01-18 03:05PM | 0 recs
what goes around comes around

At some point Obama's hypocrisy on racial attacks, "special interests" and lobbyists will become so obvious that even the media will start calling him on it. Or not, maybe he will be the new teflon candidate like his example Reagan, the smiling face of racial politics.

by souvarine 2008-01-18 07:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Maybe a 3rd Update

Their own endorsement editorial talks about the intimidation, though.  I do find what you mentioned interesting.

by Steve M 2008-01-18 09:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Maybe a 3rd Update

You are kidding me? Those bastards.

by lonnette33 2008-01-18 09:49AM | 0 recs
Re: [2nd UPDATE]

damn it -- i'm gone for a day and all hell breaks loose! i wish i was part of this exchange!

by sepulvedaj3 2008-01-18 11:33AM | 0 recs
Re: 4th Update?
Way to go, John!! I gained some terrific respect for John Edwards today.
by americanincanada 2008-01-18 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: 4th Update?

OK, this makes me happy. JRE is my second choice. Go JRE!

by lonnette33 2008-01-18 02:07PM | 0 recs
Re: 4th Update?

That's a great statement by my guy.  I sure hope Obama does the right thing and doesn't wait to get maximum mileage out of it.  I always said I expected Jesse Jackson Jr. to apologize the day after the SC primary.

by Steve M 2008-01-18 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: 4th Update?

Exactly.  I lost a great deal of respect for JJ Jr.

by lonnette33 2008-01-18 03:51PM | 0 recs
"Hillary Clinton does not respect

the hypocrisy is beyond funny here.

So in Iowa HRC and edwards have 527 groups running smear ads against Obama and they say they have no control over them despite one being run by edwards ex-campaign manager.

Then the clintons thru the teachers union sue to disenfranchise culinary union workers in vegas and say they cannot control that.

Then the culinary union, which is in a death fight with ASMCE and other unions to control nevada politics gets pissed at goes after HRC for the suit.. and now Obama gets ripped on by edwards and HRC for those ads which he has no control over... rich.

Bullshit folks...we all know , we all see it..

Give it up... even Markos is calling you on it.

by hawkjt 2008-01-18 04:52PM | 0 recs
Re: "Hillary Clinton does not respect

"Control" is a red herring.  All he has to do is say he disapproves of the message.

by Steve M 2008-01-18 04:56PM | 0 recs
even Markos is calling you on it.

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

who gives a damn?!

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-18 05:11PM | 0 recs

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